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Hello Lightbreather. I was looking at your contributions and you seem to have sent the same IdeaLab to a good amount of people, and that doing this seems to have the visual representation of canvassing. There doesn't seem to be a pattern on the amount of people that you are notifying. Are these people from the gender gap wikiproject? Great, just do a small notification there. However, single notification to all those editors seems to be violating WP:VOTESTACKING and is also mass posting. I would appreciate it that if you stop doing this, as even if it isn't canvassing it leads to the imagery of canvassing and is just in general, inappropriate. Tutelary (talk) 23:28, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

I've read what you wrote and started a related discussion on my idea proposal discussion page. If you have more to say, please take it there. Thanks. Lightbreather (talk) 01:06, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Oh dear, LB. It looks like you are suspected of being 'guilty' of being open, honest, and transparent, which seems to be a mortal sin in Misplaced Pages :) Maybe next time you should do as common sense suggests most or all of the other Wiki-factions probably do (although obviously, this is inherently incapable of either proof or disproof, and me even speculating about it is doubtless a deplorable violation of everything from WP:AGF and WP:CABAL perhaps even all the way to Misplaced Pages's First Commandment), and just send your friends and allies Private Messages either through Misplaced Pages's own Private Message system, or through private e-mails outside of Misplaced Pages altogether, or maybe through some Facebook page, or Yahoo Discussion Group (or whatever), in which only your favourite WikiFeminists are invited to participate. (Incidentally, that of course rules me out since I've already mentioned previously that I'm not a feminist, as distinct from an occasional sympathiser). If you or any other WikiFeminist were to do so (probably preferably without my knowledge, and on the admittedly not-especially-likely assumption that you and/or other WikiFeminists haven't done so already), I'd wish you the best of luck if I could (though this would presumably be impossible as I wouldn't know about it), though you might be advised to check with Wikilawyers before openly admitting to perpetrating such a possible Wikisin and/or Wikicrime, "as even if it isn't canvassing it" might lead "to the imagery of canvassing and" might be "just in general, inappropriate". Oh dear, I wonder will I now be banned for life (or even worse) after being found 'guilty' of being open, honest, and transparent (not to mention the possibly even worse Wikicrime of openly taking Misplaced Pages's Gender Equality objectives seriously instead of merely paying lip service to them) by writing this here instead of sending it to you by Private Message?. Regards, and best of luck. Tlhslobus (talk) 01:21, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Your sarcasm is not appreciated. The canvassing guideline is very clear about mass notifications and notifications and messages sent to only one side of the argument. What I see in Lightbreather's messaging is that she's informing only women about the notification, and not only that, but I can't discern where she's getting this list. Is she just going throughout the entire category of 'Women wikipedians' and notifying them? There are far more within that category and it also seems she was going through alphabetical order in that, so that can't be it. So where is she getting this list to notify? Again, it just appears that it's possible she's informing people she knows will !vote the way she wants in that proposal. Additionally, since general arbcom sanctions are active for the gender gap in general, this could be a violation if it's indeed canvassing. Tutelary (talk) 01:54, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Please feel free to call it sarcasm or anything else if you want. As far as I'm concerned what I said was basically the self-evident truth (apart from some mild and doubtless foolish attempts at slightly surreal humor), so I prefer to call it truth, honesty, and realism. But in any case I wasn't talking to anybody except LB. And if she's in violation, it's a violation of a somewhat absurd and unenforceable law, since all she has to do is canvas by Private message/e-mail, etc, probably just like every other faction (and as I expect I would do myself if I ever felt the need to join some faction), which is presumably what she will do from now on if she wants to do any more canvassing. Similarly you and I are arguably both currently also in violation of another somewhat absurd and unenforceable law (WP:AVOIDYOU), since you said 'your' and I said 'you'. It all seems just another part of the absurdity that is such an integral part of Misplaced Pages's consensus system of government which makes it almost impossible to get rid of foolish rules. But anyway I've no wish to pursue this discussion with you any further, for fear of unnecessarily risking escalating a pointless dispute. So provided any reply you care to make is not unduly provocative, I propose to quit this discussion, leaving you to avail of the opportunity to have the last word should you wish to do so. Regards, farewell, and have a nice day. Tlhslobus (talk) 07:40, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

That would be off site canvassing, and could be even worse in terms of violations of the policy. Also, it may be seen as attempting to game the system. Tutelary (talk) 08:04, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Incidentally, LB, where is your above-mentioned idea proposal page? (Note: I composed and then added my above comment before noticing your above reply to Tutelary).Tlhslobus (talk) 01:34, 10 January 2015 (UTC)