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January 12

Anonymous

The recent declaration of war from Anonymous against terrorists has me wondering, what actual harm has Anonymous done to anyone that they have taken a dislike to? Yes, they've shut down web sites and such but those are back up and running in hours/days. Have they been responsible for anyone who was doing anything illegal getting discovered, arrested, or killed? Dismas| 02:15, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Timeline of events associated with Anonymous recounts numerous occasions where the harm done was significant - either financial (loss of business and excess bandwidth charges, for example) or personal (families receiving hate mail, obscene phone calls, and bogus pizza and pornography deliveries for example). In the case of the attack on the Epilepsy foundation, these attacks actually attempted to cause epileptic siezures by replacing normal support forum content with violently flashing screens, etc.

So, yeah - the harm is very often real. Whether it's justified is very often a matter of opinion. So read the list and form your own. SteveBaker (talk) 04:17, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Also keep in mind, Anonymous (with a capital) is still just anonymous (without). The same generic type have been fighting the War on Terror since before it started. Find any drone attack story, and look for the name of the killer. It'll be something as vague. If we don't know which Anonymous are doing what, we can't keep score. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:35, January 12, 2015 (UTC)

Apparently, the pro-ISIS nobodies are equally suited to wage slightly annoying war on America. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:32, January 13, 2015 (UTC)

Major League Baseball

Why do major league ball players always high five and congradulate their own players instead of the opponets after a game? Other proffesional sports do. How can we teach our younger generation sportsmanship this way? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.80.208.154 (talk) 03:15, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

It's human nature to look out for ourselves, and those who help us. Same sort of reason we generally don't buy groceries for the neighbour kids instead of our own. There's only so much to go around. In baseball, instead of food and self preservation, it's confidence and self esteem. If you give that to the team trying to knock you out of the playoffs, you'd be helping yourself fail. If you encourage your team, you might get your face in the cereal aisle one day.

If we want to shape humans against their nature, parenting, school and mass media are the surest bets. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:14, January 12, 2015 (UTC)

It used to not be done at all, except at the end of a given Stanley Cup series. It was actively discouraged. It was called "fraternization". You see a lot more of it now, in basketball and football, and it turns up in baseball once in a while too, much more so at the amateur level such as Little League. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 04:42, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

They sure didn't want any of that in pro wrestling, back while it still had a semblance of sport. All American boy Jim Duggan was set for stardom in 1987, until he was arrested driving with pot and coke. That wasn't much of a problem (still isn't), but he was driving with his rival, The Iron Sheik. Never near the top again.

In 1995, a group of main event opponents took a curtain call in Madison Square Garden. Two were leaving, one was too big to fail, but the would-be King of the Ring (1996) went to Dugganville. Unlike Duggan, he later became Triple H, who was recently announced for the International Sports Hall of Fame.

If fraternization hurts the credibility of a sport in Vince McMahon's eyes, you know it has to be pretty unbelievable. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:41, January 12, 2015 (UTC)

The no-fraternization rule in baseball probably goes back, at least in part, to times when gambling was rampant in the sport. If players of opposite teams were a little too cozy, fans could rightfully feel suspicious that collusion might be going on. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 06:06, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Yes, rightfully. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:55, January 12, 2015 (UTC)

And that list doesn't even get into the "suspicious but not proven" concerns contemporaries had about the World Series of 1918, 1917, 1914, and possibly others. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 17:31, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Such as my concern that they started the World War as a smokescreen. Is it also any coincidence that Strangler Lewis was suddenly reinvigorated the week after Pearl Harbor? It's what Misplaced Pages doesn't want us to know. Many lies in that article. Probably why they call that era the "dark age" of wrestling. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:24, January 13, 2015 (UTC)

Funny. It's worth noting that there was debate as to whether to even have a season in 1918, and the "Work or Fight" order truncated the season and caused the Series to be held in early September. It was sparsely attended, to the point where the players nearly went on strike due to expected low revenues for the players' shares. If the fix was in (which was never proven), then it would have been in order to augment their shares. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 03:36, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

If you want to be shady and unproven, best to do it in sparse attendance. That's why the inaugural Intercontinental Championship was won in a major tournament (also allegedly early September) on the one continent that, to this day, hasn't had any Intercontinental title match. This was sixty years after WWI, but still in the "dark age" before the Internet spoiled every joke. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:14, January 13, 2015 (UTC)

In football (or soccer), some of the major players on opposing sides will exchange shirts with each other after a major game. This was banned for a short while a few years ago, but the players are still doing it. It's a show of gratitude to fellow players who are doing the same job, very similar to the Christmas Truce in 1914, when soldiers on both sides met, played football, and gave each other gifts, including parts of their uniforms. The high-five, by the way, is rarely used in the UK but you might see it in football games, usually during a substitution - this is actually a rule of the game. In real life, an adult may do it with a child, but children don't do it with each other, and very rarely do adults do it with each other. There is no particlar reason for this, it's just that it hasn't caught on. KägeTorä - (_虎) (Chin Wag) 06:31, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

The "high five" is often seen in cricket, even by English chaps. It is however, not without risk - see High five mishap for Hadds. Australians, what are they like? Alansplodge (talk) 16:44, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Touching gloves before (or during) a round is increasingly (sometimes sickeningly) common in mixed martial arts. Also a bit risky. Here, a sportsmanlike fighter approaches an effective fighter with the wrong idea about what hands are for, and gets kicked in the ribs for it. There are many other examples and opinions on whether not being nice to someone before you hurt them is like cheating. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:36, January 13, 2015 (UTC)

One thing that is specific to Major League Baseball: teams play one another very often during a season (it used to go up to 18 games or more per year), and these games usually come in blocks of two to four over consecutive days. You don't go all friendly with an opposing team you are going to be playing them again tomorrow or in a couple of weeks, in part because of the issues evoked by Bugs. Sportsmanship can be expressed in different ways, for example when a superstar player is about to retire, and all opposing teams play him tribute with gifts etc., as we saw last season with Derek Jeter. --Xuxl (talk) 09:12, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Tennis is another sport where the competitors congratulate each other at the end of a match, that being a "gentlemen's sport". Not so much with professional ball. In the old days of the "original 16" across the two major leagues, each team would play each other team 22 times, for a total of 154 games. Celebratory stuff was not so common in those days. The winning team would have a big "group hug" when clinching the league title or winning the World Series, and that was about it. Usually the losing team would slink away into their clubhouse. At least in part it was the fan factor. The Yankees and Dodgers during the late 40s to late 50s were a fierce rivalry. Yogi Berra has said they were friends off the field, but the game was strictly serious business. And that's from a man who was more expressive than many of his era. Maybe you've seen the clip of the end of Don Larsen's perfect game in 1956. When Dale Mitchell took strike 3, Larsen walked off the mound toward the sidelines as if it were just any other end-of-inning. But Yogi ran out and leaped into his arms. Purists would have said that was excessive, because it was just one game, they hadn't won the Series yet. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 14:11, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

• The high-five is celebratory, and the team which has lost may not be in the mood. Handshakes are allowed in professional baseball, and post-game hand shakes were the norm for children's sports matches, but that has gone the wayside due to taunting and violence, see this decision, for example. μηδείς (talk) 17:59, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

• Not quite what you asked, but two examples from martial arts fit the scope: I'm very fond of bowing in Judo ... but if you seek to be more physical in showing your respect: In Schwingen (not a professional sport, but still taken very seriously), "by tradition the winner brushes the sawdust off the loser's back after the match". ---Sluzzelin talk 21:10, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

I just watched two major league fighters giddily swap hats like schoolgirls, after the promoter (half) jokingly told them to pretend to hate each other. Thankfully, there'll be no glove touching in the main event. And there's a good chance it ends in rib-kicking. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:42, January 17, 2015 (UTC)

black bars on pre-paid envelope

What are the black bars next to the "2" on a pre-paid envelope called? For example. Do they have a specific name, or an article? Are they made out of special ink that the sorting office can scan to know what they mean? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Envelopequestion (talk • contribs) 17:24, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Postage marks in general are called indicia, and Royal Mail uses that name for the Freepost/Business Reply mark with the two vertical lines, e.g. here. I can't find any information about what the lines are supposed to mean, but they're obviously not a barcode and they can't require special ink because businesses print these envelopes themselves, so I can only assume they mean something like "this space intentionally left blank". -- BenRG (talk) 19:31, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

They've looked like that for over 30 years - so I suspect that they are there to allow automatic machinery from circa 1980's to detect whether a letter is 1st or 2nd class post. These days, the recognition systems are good enough to spot a tiny mark or pattern as the letter zips past at high speed - but the further you go back in time, the harder that would have been to detect. So my guess is that they used these large, heavy black bars to minimize the error rate - and the post office never got around to changing the system. If that sounds kinda primitive - here in the US, if we take a bunch of post to the desk at the post office - all carefully marked with that pattern of short and long bars that encodes the destination - they still manually type the Zip code, city and state for every envelope and parcel instead of just scanning the code. Crazy. SteveBaker (talk) 19:50, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

It's RM4SCC, which is a machine readable version of the postcode. If you look carefully at a delivered envelope with a hand-written address, you should see in faint red ink (it's more visible under UV light) a similar pattern. It is painted onto the envelopes by a reader at the first sorting office the letter goes through, and is used by all subsequent sorting machines. LongHairedFop (talk) 12:41, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

He's talking about the two thick bars in the top right hand corner of the envelope, not the short bars printed above the address. --Viennese Waltz 13:37, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

THIS basically. SteveBaker (talk) 20:14, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Yeah the OP already posted an example in his question. --Viennese Waltz 20:20, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

All they do is distinguish between first and second class post. The bars are closer together on a first class envelope.--Shantavira| 11:18, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

January 13

Chartered Account Office

My question is whether a Chartered Account or a group of Chartered Accounts Firm can open his or their office in a residential (Flat) Apartment ? If yes, then on what basis of the Indian Law ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Somnath Guha (talk • contribs) 06:04, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

It would depend on zoning laws and also apartment rules. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 09:08, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages does not give legal advice. Please consult a qualified practitioner. --ColinFine (talk) 14:06, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

January 14

Is this phishing/scam?

I just got an e-mail that purported to be from a colleague of a friend of mine. I recognised his name immediately, though I've never seen him use this e-mail address (it was a Hotmail.com address). The text of the e-mail said:

Sorry to bother you with this, I just arrived in London and I need your help, I'm in a fix. Can I get a loan of €2500? You'll have it as soon as I get back. I lost my bank card, I can't access the atm as planned. I'll appreciate what you can give if not all. It's really urgent, Get back to me asap, I'll advise on how to send it. Keep this between us. Thanks

Followed by the colleague's full name, profession and home address, which I trust to be real. For privacy reasons I won't give them here.

Now my first thought was that this is phishing and/or a scam. Besides, the person it purported to be from is Finnish and speaks Finnish fluently, and he should know I also do. So why would he be writing to me in English?

Of course I didn't reply to the e-mail. Does anyone know whether this is a well-known attempt at phishing and/or a scam? JIP | Talk 19:26, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

I have received similar emails from relatives which were frauds. Don't fall for it. Robinh (talk) 19:42, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Me too. The one I got had all the right details and seemed very genuine, but something still didn't ring true, so I made a phone call to a third party to check it out. It didn't check out. Lesson: Listen to that voice that says "Don't trust this". -- Jack of Oz 19:59, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

I got one of those a few years ago. The message was ostensibly from an American, and aside from the obvious "phishy" appearance, the words "car park" appeared in it, and Americans don't use that term. Oops. It would be a courtesy, as per comments above, to contact your friend and let him know someone hijacked his e-mail address. He might want to make some changes. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 20:09, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

They didn't hijack the friend's email address, but rather his personal info, including his relationship to the OP, and the OP's email address, and used that to send this email from his one of his own accounts. StuRat (talk) 20:39, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I intended to say just plain "e-mail". ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 22:28, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

As a general way to check on such scams, you need to contact the person, but not using any contact info in the email, which is likely to direct you to the scammer. Instead, contact your friend and ask him for his colleague's contact info, then use that. StuRat (talk) 20:43, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

BTW, if a colleague of a friend of mine actually asked to borrow that kind of money from me, I'd break out laughing. To borrow that much of money from me, you'd need to be a close friend or relative, and/or provide collateral. StuRat (talk) 20:45, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

It's basically a variant of the common "Ore-Ore" scam seen in Japan, except the scammer apparently had real info. Your friend might want to change his or her passwords. —/Mendaliv//_Δ's/ 20:47, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

It doesn't sound like any account was hacked, to me. It sounds like they were using publicly available info. StuRat (talk) 22:25, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Search the web for some of the sentences in the email, this scam is out there. Also do a full virus scan on your computers, and tell your colleague do the same; one of you may have a virus that is harvesting email contact information. 88.112.50.121 (talk) 22:29, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

I got one once from a friend who apparently had been caught in the riots in Ukraine and deprived of their passport and all their money.Which was somewhat startling as they'd only gone into the kitchen to make a cup of tea... Lemon martini (talk) 11:34, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

I just got another e-mail. It was from the same address, but this time it seems to really be from my friend's colleague. It is in Finnish, and he tells that his e-mail was hacked from Nigeria, and he has sorted the problem out with his ISP. JIP | Talk 19:44, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

My wife got an email from a very rich 90 year old blind lady who she knows. It seems that while she was hiking in Scotland and staying at a youth hostel, someone stole her backpack with her passport and all her papers, and she requested that $200 be wired to her. Amazing! Edison (talk) 20:24, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

The problem is that the barrier to entry for these crimes is very low - and so are the odds of getting caught. Since more or less any idiot can create a free email account and push an email out to a million people - it only takes one out of those million to be tricked into sending money and the crime is worth the effort. It's really easy to trick one person in a million - so this is a profitable pastime for people without moral scruples...of which there are plenty.

There is actually a relatively easy way for society to take control of this: If everyone who got one of these kinds of email were to respond to the bad guy asking for some extra piece of information before sending the money - the bad guy would get 999,999 junk emails that (s)he would have to read through and check out before finding the one or two that contain a $200 payoff. The sheer effort involved in sorting the wheat from the chaff would make this kind of scam instantly uninviting to the bad guys. At the very least, someone would have to start a list of email addresses where people respond to obvious phishing with equally bogus replies so that they could be excluded from the spammer's mailing list. That would be a huge win also! SteveBaker (talk) 20:27, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

sharing articles on facebook

Excuse me how do i share articles on facebook? there is no handy button like so many other websites! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sidmac1981 (talk • contribs) 22:13, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Copy the URL from the address bar. Alt-D Ctrl-C should work for most desktop browsers. For future reference, you should sign your posts with ~~~~ LongHairedFop (talk) 22:25, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Do you mean Misplaced Pages articles ? StuRat (talk) 22:23, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

@Sidmac1981: You could either A) copy the URL of the article and paste it into Facebook or B) use Sharebox. But you're correct in that there is no button supplied by default. Dismas| 22:25, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Physiology of the brain

Does anyone know when humanity first learned of the hemispheres of the brain divisions? If so, can you refer me to a more or less authoritative place to confirm such as the name of a book, web site, or other place? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:5FC0:39:9DA:E808:195C:5D77 (talk) 22:18, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Do you mean when they first identified the functional differences in the two hemispheres ? Because, of course, they knew there were two hemispheres since antiquity, as a simple autopsy will show that. StuRat (talk) 22:22, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Or just clubbing someone hard enough. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:22, January 14, 2015 (UTC)

Try Lateralization of brain function#History of research on lateralization. ―Mandruss ☎ 23:31, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Can I claim Head of Household/dependants if my roommates haven't paid their rent for over a year?

I have shared an apartment with two roommates since November 2013, but I have been the only one with a real job and the only one who pays for anything. I have fully paid utilities, rent, groceries, and gas because I'm a spineless coward who can't confront anyone about anything. None of us are related to each other biologically. Can I claim them as dependents, and/or can I file as Head of Household? 50.51.202.80 (talk) 23:19, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

I'm not about to give tax advice, but I recommend you move out and find a place of your own, without any parasites, human or otherwise. As for their current debts to you, you could get them to sign a loan agreement, and hopefully they can pay you back when they do get a job, or maybe they can do some type of work for you to pay it off. StuRat (talk) 23:31, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Check the instructions for the 1040 and see what it says about dependents. If in doubt, call the IRS or your favorite tax accountant. And as Stu said, moving out would be a good plan. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 23:35, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Good plan, if (s)he wasn't a spineless coward. There's safety in numbers. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:39, January 14, 2015 (UTC)

He can always move in with fellow invertebrates. :-) StuRat (talk) 23:44, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

As you're probably aware, spines aren't all they're cracked up to be. Worms have taken over the globe, using just a primitive decision support system. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:37, January 15, 2015 (UTC)

One thing, though - if you're intending to leave them, "watch your back." ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 00:46, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Why should he be the one to move out, having paid for everything? He should grow some balls and kick the others out. Literally, if necessary. -- Jack of Oz 20:53, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

He shouldn't have to, but if his self-characterization is true, then he should probably make like the Baltimore Colts and steal away in the middle of the night. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 21:57, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Here's a step-by-step from the IRS website. Walk through it and see if it might work for your situation. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 00:54, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Of course, it would be helpful if these responses related to the same country that the original poster is paying taxes to. --65.94.50.4 (talk) 11:57, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

The IP geolocates to Ohio. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 12:14, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi 50.51.202.80, Try Head_of_Household as a starting point. You should always verify the accuracy of a wiki-page by checking the references on which the wiki-editors base the information, or go over to the the talk page and see if you can locate the WikiProject(s) that have taken this article under their wing. Hope this helps. Ottawahitech (talk) 15:38, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

January 15

Supercentenarian issues

Can I remove Tou Tajiri and Asa Sakamoto from the list of living supercentenarians since they were not confirmed alive in 2014 Respect for the Aged Day reports or should I wait longer just in case they do be confirmed alive? Deaths in 2013 (talk) 04:39, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

They're still alive as of January 12 here, in the cited source beside their name. So no. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:44, January 15, 2015 (UTC)

Or wait. Sakamoto's on the shadier list. Probably a question for that Talk Page. But Tajiri seems fine. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:47, January 15, 2015 (UTC)

PATALIPUTHRA

THE ANCIENT CITY IS NAMED LIKE THIS BECAUSE

PATALI IN TAMIL MEANS WORKING CLASS LIKE PEASANTS/ARTISANS

WE KNOW CHANDRAGUPTA/NANDA OR OTHERS ASSCIATED WITH THIS CITY ARE NOT FROM ROYAL LINEAGES BUT FROM PATALI CLASS.

PUTHRA IS SON — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.3.15.7 (talk) 06:53, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

WHAT'S YOUR QUESTION? ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 09:32, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

See Pataliputra#Etymology. -- ToE 16:02, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

As with certain other countries, language and politics are intertwined, and often false etymologies are offered either as proof of nationalist ownership or in order to expel foreign influences. I am not sure what exactly is going on here, since puthra is not Tamil in origin, and -pura meaning "settlement, city" (e.g., Singapore) seems a more likely candidate for the name given ToE's reference. But see articles like Pure Tamil, Goropius, Sun Language Theory, Turkish language reform and Out of India theory for the sorts of dynamics that can be at work. μηδείς (talk) 18:33, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Looking for an online bookmarking service

Some years ago I made use of a wonderful tool called del.icio.us. It was, at the time, an online bookmarking service and was one of the great tools purchased by Yahoo! (when Yahoo still had some direction). Unfortunately Yahoo! decided to drop this service later and sold it to a couple of guys who, I assume, were trying to make a quick buck by turning del.icio.us into something totally different than an online bookmarking service. After a lot of frustration I dropped my delicious bookmarks which I had painstakingly collected. I looked for a replacement service, but gave up when I thought other online bookmarking services would most likely meet with the same fate.

I am still in the same boat today. I would love to have access to an online bookmarking service that allows me access to my bookmarks wherever I happen to be. Is there anything available today that provides that service and has been around long enough to establish survivability?

Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 15:06, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Some browsers provide this service, assuming that you use their browser on all your devices (but it might also be available via a webpage when you're using another browser). Firefox Sync is one such service. See also Comparison of browser synchronizers for a list of other providers. BTW, you might have been better asking this question over at the Computing Reference Desk — LongHairedFop (talk) 15:14, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

@LongHairedFop: It looks like I forgot to mention in my long-winded question above that I am looking for a general online bookmarking solution, not one tied to a particular system. For example if I am at a library using the library's PCs and find a link I would like to bookmark and have access to when I am somewhere else. Ottawahitech (talk) 15:15, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

I'm a fan of Pocket which works for this purpose, assuming you want cross browser and cross app. Failing that as the guy above me mentioned Google Chrome and Mozilla Firefox as well as Opera Browser all do this. 81.138.15.171 (talk) 15:38, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for responding, 81.138.15.171. I will check out Pocket's article on Misplaced Pages. Ottawahitech (talk) 15:23, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Can we eat deep sea fish?

Are strange deep sea fish such as the Humpback anglerfish or the Gulper eel edible for humans? Have these fish ever been eaten or fished for? --Verningitay (talk) 18:47, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Sure, at least many of them would be edible. Humans can eat most fishes, so I wouldn't expect there to be any big nutritional difference between a deep sea eel and a shallow-living relative. But we tend to not eat them or fish for them, for a few reasons 1) the population density of deep sea communities tends to be very low. Compared to shallower relatives, these species grow very slowly, and live a long time. Fishing for them would be very expensive, and it would not return much food. There would also be the issue of environmental damage, e.g. deep coral reefs can take thousands of years to form, and they can be destroyed by one dredging. For additional info see deep sea, fisheries management, and population dynamics of fisheries these last two links don't specifically say that deep sea fishing is economically and environmentally nonviable, but that falls out of the analysis if you parameterize the models to include the high cost to get there and the low fecundity of deep sea species, which leads to a very low maximum sustainable yield. One thing that people are interested in harvesting from the deep sea is rare earth minerals and other exotic metals in polymetallic nodules, see deep sea mining, and the website of Nautilus Minerals , who explicitly "cares" about marine biology, and even sponsors deep sea research that you (sometimes) can watch on live stream! . SemanticMantis (talk) 19:37, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

I'm confused by your mentions of deep sea coral reefs and dredging. Do you mean the use of dragnets to catch deep sea fish ? StuRat (talk) 19:46, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

@StuRat: Yes, I meant something that would scrape the bottom, though I admit I get easily confused by the terminology for different modern commercial fishing methods. I had to guess, because to my knowledge nobody actually dishes the deep sea for commercial purposes. And when scientists first started sampling the deep (before Submersible#ROVs were available) they used deep drag nets. A related anecdote: I used to work with a deep sea biology research lab. They reported that they did occasionally eat extra crabs sampled from the deep (not sure which spp.), and that they were delicious and similar tasting to shallow crabs. SemanticMantis (talk) 15:09, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

• The question is vague in part since it doesn't differentiate between fish that don't frequent the surface, fish that live beneath the penetration of sunlight, and fish that live on the sea floor. See Bathyal zone, Pelagic zone, and Benthic zone. There's nothing inherent to any fish of the deeper sea that necessarily makes them probematic, but each species would have to be judged on its own for toxicity or other issues. Fish that live on the bottom will be white fish, fish that are pelagic will be oily fish. μηδείς (talk) 20:12, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Sure, some species found deep go up and down with various cycles, but the example species are deep-exclusive. The main point is that there isn't some huge cache of fish waiting to be exploited down there, and the deep-only species have very low densities that would preclude commercial fishing. Some species such as the Bathymodiolus mussels can be locally dense, but that is a special circumstance of creatures packed tightly around the "oases" of hydrothermal vents, surrounded by vast stretches of empty (of macrofauna at least) abyssal plain. SemanticMantis (talk) 15:13, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

In the 1970s, where the former European route E5 begins and where it ends?

I saw a road map of Turkey for 1974, and it states that "the European route E5 in Turkey began at the  Bulgaria- Turkey border and ends in Hatay Province. And before the Bulgaria-Turkey border, where the former European route E5 began?

European route E05 runs from Greenock (in Scotland) to Algeciras (in Spain), and doesn't go anywhere near Turkey; the International E-road network was only formally adopted in Europe from 15 November 1975. Your map is almost certainly inaccurate. European route E80 goes through Turkey - might that be the road in question? Tevildo (talk) 20:48, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

I've done some scanning of Turkey in Google Maps, and I can't find a single route number that connects Bulgaria to Hatay, either in the Turkish D.XXX road system or the European EXXX road system. E80 enters Turkey at the Bulgarian border, but heads west towards Iran, not south towards Syria. European route E90 comes close to (but does not enter) Hatay Province, but enters Turkey from Greece, and not Bulgaria. --Jayron32 01:53, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

It was called E5 in the 1970s. It encompassed today's E 52 – 55 – 651 – 57 – 59 – 70 – 75 and/or 80 (according to German WP's article on Gastarbeiterroute — Gastarbeiter = "guest worker", see article). ---Sluzzelin talk 02:05, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

A tiny but well-referenced micro-stub now started by some guy who is bluffs his way around in German recognizing cognates and guesses lotsa stuff from context. Sorely needs attention by people who can actually speak German.--Shirt58 (talk) 09:40, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Norman Fruman's area of expertise

In 1957, on the TV show "The $64,000 question," an American named Norman Fruman was a contestant. What was Fruman's area of expertise on the show?2001:558:600A:24:7C79:2942:6187:8553 (talk) 21:44, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure about his expertise on the show, but at the time, he was writing comic-book adventure stories and science fiction. In later life he went on to become a literary scholar, attracting some attention for his suggestions that Samuel Taylor Coleridge plagiarised other works. AndyTheGrump (talk) 21:58, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

This 1957 newspaper article says that he was participating in the "general knowledge" category. Deor (talk) 23:22, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

January 16

Pacific Line Islands (Howland, Baker, etc.) National Widlife Refuges

Google Earth contains Wilkipedia information on suject Refuges and attributes managment by the U.S. Fish and Wilddlife Service of the U.S. Department of the U. s. Department of the Interior as part of the Pacific Remoe Islands Marine National Monument and notes the individudal islands are visited every two yerss byt he U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. I do not know the date such National Monument was established but I doubt the resources available to the USFWS allow them to physically visit these remote islands and suggest that if their agents do make such visits it is probably the U. S. Coast Guard who provides the transportation. My position derives from the fact that as Navigator/Operations Officer and acting Excecutive Offficer of the USCGC Buttonwood, I made the periodic "Line Islands" trip in 1952 from Honolulu to Canton, Enderbury, Baker and Howland islands, going ashore for a few hours or several hours, painting day beacons etc., and logging our visit to establish what I understood at the time to be a U. S. State Department requiremnt to maintain continuity of the U. S. oversight of these islands. I do not recall USFWS agents being on board, although we occasionally transported them for research purposes to Hawaiian leeward islands and other locations. Peerhaps the differences beween my recllecction and the information in the Wikipediaa description relate eentirely to the passage of time and differences in U.S. policy, but still inconsisitencies would still remain.174.26.230.110 (talk) 00:23, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

The Pacific Remote Islands Marine National Monument was only established in 2009 and our article does not mention anything about two year visits. Rmhermen (talk) 02:12, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

saratoga casino and raceway

Percy Davis was at Saratoga Harness racing most of my life...my dad was a driver there. Why was he not mentioned honorable for drivers in the honorable mention area Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.236.21.178 (talk) 03:52, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

The simple answer is because no one has added him to the article. From a quick google search there seems to be no reason why he should not be included, given his training record. Why don't you add him yourself with an appropriate reference. Richard Avery (talk) 07:56, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

I have added him now. It is usually better to leave a note on the talk-page of an article if you have a query with it. Richard Avery (talk) 08:39, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Jail bird syndrome

It's well documented that in male dominated institutions, instances of consensual and non consensual homosexual contact happens.

However, what about female institutions. Do incarcerated women display the same sort of homosexual tendencies? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.90.26.38 (talk) 14:09, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Probably, males and females aren't that different. Situational homosexual behavior by women in prisons is supported by our articles, but I see no direct citations on the topic. Check out our articles on situational sexual behavior (specifically the section "Harem Effect"), prison sexuality, and LGBT people in prison. SemanticMantis (talk) 15:19, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Just one data point: Orange Is the New Black: My Year in a Women's Prison (the memoir by Piper Kerman...not the fictional Netflix show that's based on it) clearly shows that, at least in the Federal Correctional Institution, Danbury, it's quite common. SteveBaker (talk) 16:27, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

They certainly do...in any movie I would care to watch, at least. :-) StuRat (talk) 05:35, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

See situational homosexuality. StuRat (talk) 05:43, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Yep, that's probably the better-quality article but prison sexuality has some good references for further reading. St★lwart 08:03, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Here are 6 Ways Women's Prison Is More Horrifying Than It Looks on TV. According to her, the sex is even more common in real life, but nowhere near as sexy. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:38, January 17, 2015 (UTC)

That's why you should ignore the TV series and read Piper Kerman's book...fiction versus non-fiction. SteveBaker (talk) 18:26, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

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Swiss franc

I just checked the xe.com page after hearing about the latest developments of the Swiss franc, and it turns out it's actually worth more than the euro now, a little bit less than 1 euro and half a cent. Is this the first time this has happened? And more interestingly, now that the Latvian lats and the Maltese lira don't exist any more, does this mean the British pound sterling and the Swiss franc are the only European currencies worth more than the euro? JIP | Talk 20:41, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

xe.com will answer your first question: since 2005, the swiss franc has not been worth more than 1 euro (except for today). It got above 0.95 euro in early 2011 . SemanticMantis (talk) 21:44, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

JIP said "ever", not "since 2005". But since the euro is a fairly new currency, we only have to go back a few more years. OANDA will do that, and the answer is indeed yes, it's the first time. --65.94.50.4 (talk) 01:29, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

It depends what you mean by European. Azerbaijan is usually treated as an Asian country, but it does belong to the Council of Europe, and parts of it lie north of the main Caucasus watershed and therefore inside Europe. It's worth mentioning then that the Azerbaijani manat is worth €1.10275. --Antiquary (talk) 11:28, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

January 17

How to import a non-EU vehicle from the U.K. to Poland and register it in the Polish vehicular-traffic?

I want to know about how to import a non-EU vehicle from the UK to Poland and register it in the Polish vehicular-traffic?

• Make: Nissan
• Model: Skyline GT-R V-Spec Twin-Turbo (2,600 cc (160 cu in) engine)
• Year: 1996 (R33)
• Color: Blue
• Modifications: HICAS lockout-bar, all-wheel drive, HICAS four-wheel steering system, 1,200 hp (890 kW) gasoline/petrol engine with ethanol support, NOS nitrous-oxide tanks, turbo-boost gauge and spoiler.

The vehicle is right-hand drive. Is it possible to register a Skyline GT-R (R33) with modifications mentioned above?

License plate measurements:

• Front: 520×114 mm
• Rear: 305×214 mm (two-line square plate)

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