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Objections to Evolution

Neil - OK, so between 1612 and 1637 you've now seen that I did your previously mentioned "This needs to be worked out on the talk page" a few weeks before posting ... hope that helped a bit.

Privately, I'm not sure that guidance works in general. It's useable to sort out background some of the time, but the volume posters seem to be naturally of the short attention time, post-only, non-reading behavior, so not much discussion. Binksternet being an example -- deleted twice before any comment why, and talk post only after third ... and he's not added to article or discussion. That's part of the readership too so a good viewpoint to have, just not going to be part of work in TALK discussions I think. Markbassett (talk) 16:50, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Markbassett, silence does not imply consensus, especially when you're adding content contrary to Misplaced Pages policy. Binksternet gave you a succinct and accurate reason in the edit summary, "rv... no sense in adding an unclear paragraph with a fact tag." That's more than enough to keep the content out of the article, especially a good article. An agreement between you and one other editor doesn't change that. If the content is unsourced, it's unsourced. Wording can certainly be discussed after sources are provided. --NeilN 17:09, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Well, you look but do not see that content start date I guess. Eh, seems moot now, bye. Markbassett (talk) 01:06, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Edit warring and discretionary sanctions

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I have already written on ARTICLES TALK page. Why youre not discussing it there ? Not tata (talk) 07:14, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Because you are very likely to be blocked as yet another IAC sock/meatpuppet. --NeilN 07:16, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Link deleted in "Translation" article

Hello Neil:

I'd like to ask you to reconsider the deletion of the link I included recently, for the following reasons:

- The link takes people to a comprehensive glossary of Translation Terms. - Many of these terms are not yet explained in this article or in other Misplaced Pages articles. - There is no other link to a similar glossary, and as far as I know, after doing the appropriate research, there is no other glossary as complete as this one (in this field), and in my opinion, not as good. - At the end of the Glossary there is a list of references used to compile the glossary. Some of these references are very recent, academic and are not mentioned in the Misplaced Pages article. Specially those of Anthony Pym, Mona Baker, Lachat, and Beeby, Ensinger and Presas, deserve to be quoted although that would require editing the body of the article. - There aren't so many external links at the end of that article. I have seen articles with much more links and even with very similar material.

Thanks, I'd like to know what you think.

186.107.36.37 (talk) 18:29, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Link edited: http://www.sinclavos.cl/transgloss.php

Hello. My initial check left me with the impression that the site was just translating some terms. I see now that it's also defining terms used in the area of translation. I've undone my revert. --NeilN 18:37, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Hello Neil. Thanks for your work and understanding. Have a nice week.

186.107.58.82 (talk) 03:32, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Spam link reported

Hey Neil, re: this reversion, I reported their link to the spam noticeboard yesterday, so fingers crossed. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:31, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb: Thanks. This shows no presence of the link right now. --NeilN 19:37, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Personal blogs

You cited a rule regarding self-published materials, but the key word in that citation is "largely." The rest of the section reads "Self-published material may sometimes be acceptable when its author is an established expert whose work in the relevant field has been published by reliable third-party publications." We published a book at Gunderson Dettmer on how to structure VC funds--see http://www.gunder.com/about/publications. Did you even research beforehand whether I am an expert? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wallacrw (talk • contribs)

@Wallacrw: I note you said "we". I don't see your name anywhere on the page you linked to and there's no reason to make an exception for your personal blog. And, as an "expert" on venture capital, you should be aware of what conflict of interest is. --NeilN 20:53, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

I actually don't see any conflict here other than what would always apply with Misplaced Pages links: I wrote helpful info, and I'd like people to read it. In that sense, I do have an interest in the link, but it doesn't conflict with the interests of Misplaced Pages, which is sharing authoritative info. Would you care to explain the conflict you see here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wallacrw (talk • contribs) 21:23, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

@Wallacrw: You are adding links to your own personal blog which helps promote you and your views. Pretty simple. Similar to a VC adding links to an article on a company they've invested in which lead to "helpful" views on the company. --NeilN 21:31, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

So is the issue who made the edit or the citation itself? You've completely changed your reasoning now; just looking for some consistency in this kangaroo court... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wallacrw (talk • contribs) 21:36, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

@Wallacrw: Perfectly consistent. Your blog is not a reliable source and you have a conflict of interest. --NeilN 21:39, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Jill Kelley

Neil

Please understand that TParis seems to have a suspicious motivation, and it's ironic that I noticed he's called every editor a PR agent or a relative of the subject. The new edits I made included the reference from a national media article, detailing the former appointments and positions. It's as ridiculous as not acknowledging that Bush was a former President. I find TParis to be abusing this page and harassing editors continuously. Can you please allow the 1250 characters remain that have been on this page for over a year -with corrected grammer and facts by numerous editors. I find it unecssary and inappropriate to remove all those characters that have been there over a year, including the newest addition of her former appointments which is significant piece of information that should be listed on a wiki page Thank you for understanding — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chewstokyo (talk • contribs) 22:18, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

@Chewstokyo: What I see are three experienced editors - TheRedPenOfDoom, TParis and myself - trying to keep a neutral point of view in the article. IP editors and editors with few edits have stuffed the lead with the subject's POV. If you disagree, the place to discuss this is Talk:Jill Kelley. --NeilN 22:30, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Quelle surprise --NeilN 22:44, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Problematic editing going at the Sex offender article and related articles

I'm probably going to need your help with this and this matter. It's about two "new editors" (ViperFace (talk · contribs) and Noterie (talk · contribs)) popping up to edit the same relatively inactive articles, with one of them (ViperFace) engaging in noticeable POV-pushing at various articles. They want me to believe that Noterie simply popped up to edit the same relatively inactive articles as ViperFace. The only articles so far that Noterie edited that ViperFace has not yet edited are the Hebephilia and Ephebophilia articles, and that is only after I told ViperFace that I would not tolerate his type of editing at the Child sexual abuse and Child pornography articles. If they are not WP:Sockpuppets or WP:Meatpuppets, this is a strange coincidence. I'm also going to alert Herostratus and Legitimus to this matter. Flyer22 (talk) 09:30, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Please conduct the investigation, I have no connection to other user. Also if you wish you should see the talk page of . I'm being accused of POV-pushing for adding critical views that have been presented on several sex offender related articles, but I maintain that my edits are covered with sufficient references. I don't think that editing articles covering controversial topics "too keenly" should be reason to automatically flag POV-pushing and bias. Since accusations are thrown out, I might as well accuse Flyer22 of POV-oppressing. ViperFace (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 10:05, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Also, please check the history of the talk page to see where we are at. Some of my messsages got deleted by a bot. I don't know why. ViperFace (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 10:16, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Your messages didn't get deleted by a bot. Flyer22 (talk) 10:19, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Lots of new editing going on in these articles. I'm guessing this IP is Noterie. --NeilN 12:22, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

No. The list of things I saw when I clicked on "this IP" are not mine.Noterie (talk) 12:40, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Is this really how things work around here? Accusations fly, both ViperFace and I say to run whatever check we're being threatened with, but no check happens and Flyer22 (and whomever else she recruits into the discussion) just assume the result of the check never run?Noterie (talk) 12:40, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

You are asking us to believe that it's a coincidence that there is all of this sudden editing at these different, relatively inactive sex offender articles. Yes, these articles were relatively inactive before this sudden editing. What has caused it, if not WP:Sockpuppetry or WP:Meatpuppetry? A big commotion on the news, and news affecting people from different regional IP locations? NeilN and I are far too experienced at editing Misplaced Pages, and have seen this type of thing over and over again, to believe that all of these are coincidences. WP:Assume good faith does not mean "play stupid." Flyer22 (talk) 12:53, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Also, NeilN, that IP is very likely ViperFace instead of Noterie, if going by ViperFace's expansion style and Noterie's WP:Copyediting style. Flyer22 (talk) 13:06, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

ViperFace, if that's you, you need to remember to log in. --NeilN 13:12, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, ViperFace claimed the IP at the Sex offender talk page. Given the different editing styles of ViperFace and Noterie (though editing styles can be faked), I am willing to believe that they are two different editors. Flyer22 (talk) 13:17, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi, NeilN The IP is mine like I claimed on the talk page. I have forgotten to log in on few occasions, I try to pay more attention to that. Also I don't like the tone this discussion took with Flyer. IMO he is implicitly asserting that I am some kind of NAMBLA member for editing those articles. I think I have used pretty reliable sources, but I assume that Flyer didn't even check them, but instead started to accuse me of lying and using double account or something, merely because I have added majority opinion of academics and treatment professionals, which contradicts with the majority opinion of general public. ViperFace (talk)

ViperFace, I am female, and I explained on the Sex offender talk page what my problems with your edits are. Your characterization of my problems with your edits are off-base and a sign of your bias on the topic. Flyer22 (talk) 05:04, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Repeated bad edits with self made non referenced material by the same user

Hi, on 15:34, 26 November 2014‎, you removed the repeated bad edits, probably vandalism of the page Afghana by the user 80.56.86.118, a user who continued his bad edits despite being informed about it. Now it seems he is doing it again under the name of Work number1987. It seems to be the same user because the edits are more or less the same i.e. self made erroneous non referenced information written completely out of context to the material on page Afghana in poorly written English and bad grammar. Giving this person the benefit of the doubt, I think he is mistaking Afghana with an unknown figure of his own family as per his family history. He wants to add info about this historically unknown figure without any references to the page Afghana.

Please look into the matter and providing protection to the said page might also be advisable as he has been doing these edits despite explanation for the last few weeks.

Thanks Dr Pukhtunyar Afghan (talk) 15:49, 4 December 2014 (UTC).

@Dr Pukhtunyar Afghan: Not sure that Work number1987 is the IP as Work number1987 edits differently. However I have reverted their change as it was unsourced. --NeilN 16:07, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Jimmy Fallon edit that was deleted.

The comment about Jimmy Fallon butchering the English language is neutral because it is objective. He constantly uses terms such as "so fun" often more than once an episode. His use of English is a fact and objective. Please restore the comments. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.206.23.205 (talk) 03:10, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

"Butchering the English language" is your opinion. Another opinion is that he uses catchphrases and colloquialisms. --NeilN 04:51, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

RFC re-worded for clarity

FYI, I have reworded the RFC on the wikiproject Buddhism page if you are interested. Dorje108 (talk) 19:43, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi Dorje108. It's probably not a good idea to change the wording of an RFC after there are responses but if no one objects I guess you're fine. I think my original objection still stands. You could have asked that these types of sources not be automatically excluded from being considered reliable. Being considered reliable automatically prompts the question, "for what?". This is nicely illustrated by the info you're asked to provide when posting to WP:RSN:

--NeilN 22:48, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you Neil. I agree that your wording is more clear. I may propose to the group that I reword the RFC. I doubt there will be any objections. Regards, Dorje108 (talk) 23:35, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

FYI, please see proposal for new RFCs here: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Buddhism#Wording_of_RFC. Regards, Dorje108 (talk) 15:34, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Afghana page

Yes alright thank you for the neutral point of views, must stay untouched with sources and a Master Misplaced Pages. According to the timeline Afghana died in Indian Gandhara, nobody has filled in that Afghana died in India. Did Afghana died in Afghanistan or in India around 920 BC. Qais Abdur Rashid has claimed to be a descendent. Their are many others of that place to claim descendents as well. There are also some Indians to claim to be descendents at Gandhara timeline. I don't want to ad information from my own familyline because Afghana is in a Indian timeline and not in an Afganistan or Pakistani time line. Afghanistans and Pakistans are mistaken an Indian timeline and they want to ad their timeline for Afghana. Dr Pukhtunyar Afghan must be coming from Afganistan or Pakistan and is aiming for a Pathan Islamic timeline for a Jewish king that has an Indian timeline. Ofcourse it must be of a neutral point view with reliable sources, books and media but the timeline is Afghana of India and not from Pakistan or Afghanistan, the claims Qais Abdur Rashid are seperate of king Afghana. But it stays untouched ofcourse Afghana now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Work number1987 (talk • contribs)

Hi Work number1987. I don't quite understand the points you're trying to make so I'll leave this general advice: If you want to add/change something in the article please provide a reliable source for the change. If you don't think something is right in the article, and it's unsourced, take it out. If you don't think something is right in the article, and it has sources, start a discussion on the talk page. --NeilN 22:56, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

Neiln, thank you I understand now, so no changes can be made without sources. There is nothing Wiki Users can't do without valid sources others it will be count as an act of vandalism. You can only see if people make changes when it is done it will be counted as vandalism, when people don't know nothing and don't have sources it is not true. But of you are an South Asian for the Afghana page like me you always know the true story Neiln, you have normal Wiki User and you Neiln are a very good Wiki User, so you can see the timeline of Afghana, ofcourse nobody can touch the timeline of Afghana but can't you see when Aghana died and where? Don't you see information is missing? Can't user NeilN see where Afghana died and maybe he see any effort in it? I just would not to dare touch anything on the Afghana page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Work number1987 (talk • contribs)

• Neil, re your comment higher up on the page: I think it's become clear now, from the edits to User talk:Dr Pukhtunyar Afghan, that 80.56.86.118 and Work number1987 are the same person. There doesn't seem to be any avoidance of scrutiny involved, just newness. Bishonen | talk 01:11, 7 December 2014 (UTC).
  • Looks like you're right, Bish. Work number1987, I don't know why you're changing another editor's comments but please stop. Adding/changing article content without sources is not vandalism in that it is usually not a deliberate attempt to damage articles. However repeatedly attempting to add unsourced information is seen as disruptive as facts like the ones you're trying to add must be published in reliable sources. The article provides two possible burial places for Afghana and provides sources. Do you have another published source (not your own beliefs or education) we can use to add more information? --NeilN 05:04, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Afghana Jewish King topics who are Indian related, The guardian article saids that Indians are also close to Afghana DNA

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/17/israel-lost-tribes-pashtun

The Jewish virtual library in the link information: They had found a manusscript 1000 years ago in present Afghanistan but it was still then in India, does this count as a reliable source, it also saids in the 7th and 8th century Persian Jewish settles in India (Now Afghanistan, North Pakistan

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/vjw/Afghanistan.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Work number1987 (talk • contribs) 19:37, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Town School for Boys

Hi NeilN. I'm sorry I'm not posting my message in the proper form, as I am new to editing and do not know how to leave the message in the forms like the ones below. Anyway you deleted some of my edits. I added a citation but it is not saving it for some reason. Here it is as I would like you to put my edits back. - BitFarmer ref — Preceding unsigned comment added by BitFarmer (talk • contribs) 08:08, 7 December 2014

Hi, I noticed your message and moved it down to here. On a talk page, you can click "new section" at the top, then enter a subject line, and your message, then add a signature consisting of a space then four tildes (~~~~) at the end of the last line of the comment. It looks like this relates to Town School for Boys which you have edited. Johnuniq (talk) 08:29, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Pune

Hello NeilN thank you for getting in touch. I have redone the changes that you have done and added references to buttress the point that I was trying to make. I believe that this is in accordance with Misplaced Pages standards Harshavardhan deuskar (talk) 19:03, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

Replied here. --NeilN 19:16, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Sangram Singh

Hello NeilN

Thank you for telling me what you think. But I am from Sangram Singh's office and I even have the official email sent to him from the office of Dr Amit Kumar Agrawal, Deputy Commissioner cum Returning Officer, Rohtak Parliamentary Constituency, Rohtak (Haryana). If you want I can email it to your email id. I am just trying to let people know about Sangram Singh being a part of this awareness campaign. I did attach the news Links related to it too. Later on he went on to host a Show for a Indian News channel Live India called "Tau & Bhau". The youtube links of that show I was attaching for you to see, plus get to their website links/ wikipedia page too. But before I could do that you Undid my Update. Please check again the links that i posted. I am just giving the audiences the career update of Sangram Singh. Sangram Singh (talk) 18:15, 7 December 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shivraj1978 (talk • contribs)

Sir can you check the links and update the information according to your views. As I posted all the original links but I dont know how better to rephrase it. You may check the links and rewrite the content but please do not completely remove it as it is a career update.Sangram Singh (talk) 18:15, 7 December 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shivraj1978 (talk • contribs)

Hi Shivraj1978, a couple things:

1. If you work for Singh's office then you have a clear conflict of interest and should not be editing the article directly. Please carefully read the guidelines I posted on your talk page.
2. If you are not proficient enough in English to rephrase the source text in your own words then add the link to the article's talk page and ask other editors to help. Under no circumstances should you be pasting copyrighted content into Misplaced Pages pages.

--NeilN 19:42, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Does misusing links to copyrighted work fall under that? Obotlig ☣ 09:17, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi Obotlig. What do you mean by misusing links? Obviously you can't link to copyright violations but did you mean something else? --NeilN 13:21, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

No, that's what I meant. I was not asking whether you "can" link to them or not, however. :) Obotlig ☣ 17:54, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Jewish King Afghana ment for Pathans of Hindu descent and ancient India

Afghana Jewish King was born around 1000 BC where Islam and Christianity did not excist. When he was send by King Saul and his father Irmia (Jeremiah) he had to travel Asia and finally ended at one of the places of the North West Indian Kingdoms where the Hindu Pathans once lived now Afghanistan. The number of Hindu Pathans are in India as well but it seems that the Pathan etnicity has given to all Islamic people of North Pakistan and Afghanistan. The story of Aghana only excist in an Indian storyline and a time that muslim people did not excist. Second Jewish people of European descent who have lived in Afghanistan and Pakistan had to made the storyline of Afghana related to the Muslims who already lived there while discriminating the Jews who where married with the Hindu Pathans. That a muslim of Pathan descent can claim to be descent of Afghana so can a Hindu Pathan because Afghana only escist in Gandhara. Many Afghans steal Indian Jewish stories of North Pakistan and Afghanistan. Afghanistan is full of Asian relics and only existed because England had devided India. Second those Afghans used to be Pathans Hindu to the late 14 century and the Afghan royal family used to be Parsi converted to Islam. Second Afghans and Pakistanis are mistaken to be Jewish that actually Hindu Pathans are the descendents or real Afghana blood line.

There are topics who are Indian related, The guardian article saids that Indians are also close to Afghana DNA because they have been Pathan as well. The Jewish virtual library in the link information: They had found a manusscript 1000 years ago in present Afghanistan but it was still then in India, does this count as a reliable source, it also saids in the 7th and 8th century Persian Jewish settles in India (Now Afghanistan, North Pakistan.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/17/israel-lost-tribes-pashtun

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/vjw/Afghanistan.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/Gandhara — Preceding unsigned comment added by Work number1987 (talk • contribs) 17:10, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

@Work number1987: It would be easier if you write the text of the exact change you want and the source you want to use. --NeilN 17:16, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

You speak ESL? I couldn't make anything out in what the troll, excuse me, qualified and earnest editor, typed. Obotlig ☣ 17:58, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Afghana or Avagana Father Irmia (Jeremiah) Born Jerusalem 1000BC Died Ghor Province Afghanistan, alternate version; buried in Zhob Sulaiman Mountains Pakistan Religion Judaism

This are the links who I going to use

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/vjw/Afghanistan.html https://en.wikipedia.org/Gandhara

The text must be changed in this because of the Indian time period where Afghana ruled, died and buried are two different things, Afghana can die in Ghor Province but had a preference to be buried at that place Zhob Sulaiman Mountains that was Gandhara, there is no alternate version because he was buried somewhere else then Ghor.

Afghana or Avagana Father Irmia (Jeremiah) Born Jerusalem 1000BC Died (Greater India) present Ghor Province Afghanistan, buried at (Gandhara) present Zhob Sulaiman Mountains Pakistan Religion Judaism — Preceding unsigned comment added by Work number1987 (talk • contribs) 18:17, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

@Work number1987: The Jewish virtual library does not have that information and that sentence in Gandhara is unsourced (Misplaced Pages articles cannot be used as sources for other articles). --NeilN 18:23, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

This really seems spurious on the face of things. User:911, excuse me, User:Work number1987, is pushing some kind of agenda content and not even explaining why, or cannot or is feigning the inability to express ideas in English while trying to add content to the English Misplaced Pages, and is being insistent about it. I know we are supposed to assume good faith but this is either a mockery is a mockery of a mockery to my eyes. Obotlig ☣ 18:33, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

@Obotlig: Working on non-Western-focused articles sometimes means you work with editors who have English as a second or third language. You try your best to accommodate, as long as article content is not degraded. --NeilN 18:47, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Changes in Afghana page if possible because of Indian timeline

Afghana or Avagana Father Irmia (Jeremiah) Born Jerusalem 1000BC Died Ghor Province Afghanistan, alternate version; buried in Zhob Sulaiman Mountains Pakistan Religion Judaism

This are the links who I going to use

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/vjw/Afghanistan.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/Gandhara

The text must be changed in this because of the Indian time period where Afghana ruled, died and buried are two different things, Afghana can die in Ghor Province but had a preference to be buried at that place Zhob Sulaiman Mountains that was Gandhara, there is no alternate version because he was buried somewhere else then Ghor.

Afghana or Avagana Father Irmia (Jeremiah) Born Jerusalem 1000BC Died (Greater India) present Ghor Province Afghanistan, buried at (Gandhara) present Zhob Sulaiman Mountains Pakistan Religion Judaism

Other changes of the first Afghana page with the link because Hindu Pathans als excist also in India who have left from North Pakistan and Afghanistan. Pathans of Hindu descent also believes in Afghana story and married Persian Jewish. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/17/israel-lost-tribes-pashtun

Afghana or Avagana is considered in Pashtun folklore a tribal chief or prince of Bani Israel (Israelite) origin and a progenitor of modern-day Pashtuns, The largest ethnic group in Afghanistan and second largest in Pakistan. The ethnonym "Afghan" is believed to derive from his name

must be changes in to this

Afghana or Avagana is considered in Indian Pathan Mythology or Pashtun folklore a tribal chief or prince of Bani Israel (Israelite) origin and a progenitor of modern-day Pashtuns, The largest ethnic group in Afghanistan and second largest in Pakistan and a very small Pathan group of Hindu descent in Afghanistan, Pakistan & India. The ethnonym "Afghan" is believed to derive from his name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Work number1987 (talk • contribs) 19:01, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

@Work number1987: I've addressed your first paragraph already. Please read the preceding section. The Guardian source does not mention Afghana. Any conclusions using this source would be synthesis. --NeilN 19:07, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Cheryl Cole

Perhaps this was unneeded, but it's certainly not disputed, hence why after four requested moves, the article it still named Cheryl Cole.  — ₳aron 14:27, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

@Calvin999: Four requested moves = disputed, no? --NeilN 14:35, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

No, not when it keeps being opposed by the majority every time. Just because one person thinks it should be changed...  — ₳aron 14:37, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

@Calvin999: One person? That's not what the discussions indicate... --NeilN 14:39, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Two out of the four nominators are vandals/IP users who are just irregular contributors/fans who want the name changed. Everyone else who understands that Cheryl Cole is still her most commonly associated name gets that it shouldn't be changed. Fact is, people keep voting to oppose because changing it wouldn't be reflected of what people search for when searching for her. That it also why there is a three month interim period of all requests to change the name of the article being denied. If everyone agreed that it should be changed, then four requests to move wouldn't have been denied. Just because her legal name changes, doesn't mean it changes with her.  — ₳aron 14:45, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

@Calvin999: "Two out of the four nominators are vandals/IP users..." -> Excellent demonstration of WP:AGF there. "Everyone else who understands that Cheryl Cole is still her most commonly associated name gets that it shouldn't be changed" -> Yes, yes, ignore all the other Supports. --NeilN 14:51, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Oh please, you haven't had to deal with the vandal. Leave all the WP stuff out. Yes there are some supports, but not enough to change it. Fact is, people still Google "cheryl cole" above everything else.  — ₳aron 14:54, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

@Calvin999: I did not know that WP:COMMONNAME changed from "(as determined by its prevalence in reliable English-language sources)" to "(as determined by what we guess people Google)". --NeilN 14:59, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Earth

You can't say "the Earth", just say "Earth". You would not say "the Venus" etc. Jodosma (talk) 19:42, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Already posted here. --NeilN 19:44, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

This linguistic exception has already been discussed at the Earth talk page. One editor noted that while extraterrestrials might refer to our planet as "Earth" (just another planet waiting to be conquered), we, the residents of our planet, mostly call it "the Earth". It is the only Earth we have, after all. Grandma (talk) 19:52, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Santa Baby

Hello Neil ,

Its great to see you are here for help other editors . I edited Santa Baby page for few additions of it for 2 times but i saw you always revert back my changes .

Here is the source link for you http://theconcordian.com/2007/12/cynthia-basinet-ten-years-of-being-santas-baby/ About Text that you referenced " Cynthia's version has influenced nearly every version recorded after 2000 "  !

Also we found some one removed Cynthia basinet page Noble Peace prize nomination .Here is th references for it . http://en.m.wikipedia.org/PeaceWomen_Across_the_Globe

Now Help me in few things such as you mentioned in a comment info box was not necessary because you did not found a Chart on "Cynthia version"

Tell me what are the Basic requirements for published a info Box and what kind of references you need for it ? Now Am i able to revert back my changes for Santa Baby page else what kind of references you need for that !

Looking forward for your reply . Thank you ≈≈≈≈ — Preceding unsigned comment added by CynthiaB2014 (talk • contribs) 19:48, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

@CynthiaB2014: As far as I can see, the Concordian source has nothing about "Cynthia's version has influenced nearly every version recorded after 2000". The Peace Prize nomination is not notable - the committee awarding the actual prize takes no notice of such nominations. I also see you are part of the organization that nominated you. Lastly, based on the present version of the article, your version must have at least charted to get an infobox. --NeilN 20:10, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Attraction to transgender people

Please stop to rollback my editions, i'm patriotic and my country is not gay!. 186.212.216.71 (talk) 21:06, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

See homophobia. --NeilN 21:08, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Earth

Can you really not see the difference between earth and Earth. "Earth" is the name of a planet in our solar system. "The earth", or "earth" is the ground we walk upon, Would you say "the Venus", or "the Mercury". If we are talking about the ground we walk upon then it is "earth", people living on Mercury would call it "mercury" and people living on Venus would call it "venus" unless it begins a sentence, when it may be "The earth upon which I was walking", but " I was walking on Earth" means that I was walking on the surface of the planet which we have named "Earth". Jodosma (talk) 21:18, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

@Jodosma: Right now, I don't care. I do care that the article uses consistent terminology and not "Earth" for one half and "the Earth" for the other. Half of your ongoing changes was undone by I'm your Grandma. who probably didn't notice you did two consecutive edits. --NeilN 21:25, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

There is only one right answer there, to use the capitalization and implication of the definite article exactly as Jodosma stated. Obotlig ☣ 19:26, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

@Obotlig: Talk:Earth#To_.22the.22_or_not_to_.22the.22. Have fun! :-) --NeilN 19:30, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Yeonmi Park

Hi Neil, I just updated the photo on Yeonmi's page to a version without my watermark. I hope it's alright now. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Juddweiss (talk • contribs) 22:24, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

@Juddweiss: Thank you! Great photo! --NeilN 22:33, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Provide Valid interviews for Mandela

You continue to engage in war over edits and it is you sir that does not comply with Misplaced Pages rules in regards to editing. None of the links provide is valid and none can show an interview or actual quotes from Mandela. This is not a gossip site or a liberal vs. conservative war. In the name of Academia please do a better job. You also violated the three edits rule. After reviewing you editorial history it appears that you do have a "gay" agenda instead of a "fact finding" agenda.Rfrf101 (talk) 22:57, 9 December 2014 (UTC)Rfrf101

@Rfrf101: I'm not the one who removed properly sourced info three times from a good article without bothering to discuss on the talk page. Your "review" of my editing history is about on par with your understanding of sourcing. --NeilN 23:05, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

@Rfrf101:; as one of the two editors that ensured that the Nelson Mandela article attained GA status, I can confirm that NeilN's actions were appropriate here. Midnightblueowl (talk) 17:40, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

White Privilege

"White privilege" is a theory used to explain racial disparities.

A theory is simply one potential explanation. A theory has NOT been empirically proven.

Hence, to maintain objectivity the word "alleged" or a similar such word MUST be included in the "white privilege" explanation.

As it reads, the existence of "white privilege" is not in dispute.

The explanation of "white privilege" for racial disparities is in dispute, however. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.7.36.191 (talk) 13:59, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

"The term white privilege (or white skin privilege) is an alleged phenomenon..." makes little sense. Terms aren't alleged phenomena. "White privilege (or white skin privilege) is a term for societal privileges..." is correct as that's how the term is used. If you disagree, please use the article's talk page to continue the conversation. --NeilN 14:12, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Some unknown people are editing and vandalizing Indian articles (latest being Goa)

Dear Sir,

My Apologies to you and Misplaced Pages. the Goa article was fine and in good condition till 2012-13. all data was true and were based on facts. The Portuguese editor whoever he may be, is unnecessarily editing the article based on his local facts. I appeal to you to kindly go back in time and compare the 2012-13 article with the current edit of Portuguese explorer editor and find out the truth for your self. if any changes needs to be done it has to be done by an indian, who understands this issue more then anyone else.

best thing is to revert the article back to 2012 version and to lock it, until a Govt person comes and rectifies all the issues.

regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Qwerty3594 (talk • contribs) 14:57, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

@Qwerty3594: Unfortunately you show little understanding of how Misplaced Pages works. Articles are not locked to your preferred version. Any editor in good standing can edit any article they wish to. And we're certainly not going to wait until a "Govt person comes and rectifies all the issues." No editor, no matter who they claim to be, can control article content. You'll have to actually discuss and analyze the changes on the talk page. This does not mean asking for the article to be reverted to a two year old version over and over again. --NeilN 15:06, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, for understanding, Ok I agree to you that all editors have the right to edit here, but SIR, a person living in another country (Portugal Explorer Editor) cannot edit or make changes as per his wishes of another countrys article. Its not fair to add what one feels to another country article. And yes I will abide by all rules, and also respect the same.

Sir, the User:Portugal Explorer Editor keeps undoing and vandalizing the revert you had made in the article. Sir I request you to revert it back to its previous form and to take strict action against the User: Portugal Explorer Editor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Qwerty3594 (talk • contribs) 15:21, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

regardsQwerty3594 (talk) 15:13, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

@Qwerty3594: You still don't understand. "a person living in another country (Portugal Explorer Editor) cannot edit or make changes as per his wishes of another countrys article" - yes they can. Misplaced Pages does not care where you live as long as the content you're adding/changing meets content policies and guidelines. And there's no guideline that states that natives of a country get to control that country's article. That being said, PEE has been reported for edit warring. --NeilN 15:26, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

hI,

Change the current contents only if there is a reference that contradicts the present information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Portugal Editor Exploration (talk • contribs)

@Portugal Editor Exploration: When you get back from your week-long block, please use the talk page to discuss and defend your changes. WP:BRD would be a helpful read. --NeilN 15:31, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

New Deal

Regarding the New Deal, I would like to know why you left a portion of the entry that clearly invoked facts that were entirely fraudulent. Specifically, with regards to the content I attempted to remove, the content makes the claim that there were 70 non-southern Democratic senators and fully 270 non-southern Democratic House members in the 1935 Congress. This is completely wrong. From my reading of the membership composition among Democrats in the 1935 Congress, there were barely 50 Democrats in the Senate who did not qualify as being from the South at the time, if even that many. In turn, there were barely 200 Democrats who were non-Southern at the time in the House. So I found the content you restored as being factually incorrect, which is why I removed it entirely. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Super Saiyan Master (talk • contribs) 19:42, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi Super Saiyan Master. If you look at the edit summaries and the note on your talk page, you'll see why your deletion is being reversed. You need to at least give a brief explanation in the edit summary about why you're deleting content. --NeilN 19:53, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Breaking Bad

Regarding the Breaking Bad page, I attempted to install an entry outlining the retired program's notoriety among viewers, referring to its rating as listed at IMDB, as was augmented with a clear indirect link to the page itself. I could have provided a direct link proving specifically, per IMDB, the expired program's viewer acclaim exceeding that of all of the other listed 858 nationally broadcast and syndicated television series going back to 1951. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Super Saiyan Master (talk • contribs)

@Super Saiyan Master: Once again, look at the edit summaries. - "Not sourced properly.", "Imdb is not a reliable source and wikipedia doesn't use Imdb content unless really necessary" --NeilN 19:58, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Marhc vandal

Hey Neil, with regard to this vandal, I'm not sure what other info you have on them, but I've been calling them the "Marhc vandal" because their edit summaries are typically meaningless, but occasionally he would misspell "March" and it seemed an easy identifier. See also:

• 100.4.101.248 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
• 173.71.157.126 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
• 98.90.89.206 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
• 2602:306:25A5:92F9:A518:7E2A:14B4:546 (talk · contribs · (/64) · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)

Lemme know if you gots any info or questions. And thanks for sending them to AIV. I stepped away from my desk for a little bit, else I would have participated. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:09, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb: Thanks for the info. They hit an article on my watchlist so I took a look at their other edits and had to chase them around for a little bit. --NeilN 20:16, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Assuming good faith a fatal mistake

Assuming good faith was a fatal mistake I made when I started out writing. There are people out there for them who bank on other user's good faith to perpetrate their sentimental biases over the entire philosophy of free and fair information and knowledge. For the people out there a knowledge is free as long as it doesn't hurt their religious sentiments and biases.Thinkmaths (talk) 06:16, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

@Thinkmaths: WP:AGF isn't really optional here as it's a fundamental principle of Misplaced Pages. In practice, it means don't make accusations against another editor or a group of editors without providing specific diffs to back up the accusation. --NeilN 06:22, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

@NeilN: There are some things which are so obvious that I need not even point them out. In fact, sufficient evidence can be obtained from the talk page of the article to accuse a particular editor of biases. There is a reason why the page of Islamic terrorism is not subjected to such scrutiny in context to the usage and validity of the term while so much of noise is made about it on the talk page of Saffron terror, and it is obvious enough for me who has already experienced these kind of people on the Hindi Misplaced Pages article. I care about what's true, and I am going to protect whatever's true.Thinkmaths (talk) 06:31, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

@Thinkmaths: Actually, Talk:Islamophobia and its 17 archives makes Talk:Saffron terror look like a walk in the park. --NeilN 06:38, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

@NeilN: Oh, wait, this is just the beginning.Thinkmaths (talk) 07:26, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

There must be some rule about threatening to troll. Obotlig ☣ 18:24, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

@Obotlig: I read that as Thinkmaths is expecting more editors pushing a POV to post to the talk page. --NeilN 18:54, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

"halv timme" Swedish Language. Obotlig ☣ 03:56, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

With less than ten edit in all from Thinkmaths and jumping right on a contentious discussion to claiming "when I started writing"... this is an obvious sock account! With the latest IP edit on the talk page... I think I have a fair guess about the sockmaster, but I can't take it to SPI just now because the evidence I know is from real life, the IP revealed just enough info. That talk page section is better collapsed, there is no positive outcome going to come from that brawl. --AmritasyaPutra 05:35, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

@AmritasyaPutra: Special:Contributions/14.139.128.14 - NQ (talk) 05:45, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

@AmritasyaPutra: What gossiping about me, behind my back? I am Thinkmaths, I am no one's sock. And why do you think I have less than 10 edits in all. Go and check the Hindi version of Saffron terror, it is all my work. Isn't it a splendid piece of work? And why do you say that the talk page has collapsed, why not just say that your plan has collapsed? So many interesting arguments and counter arguments have been made there and the talk page reflects a lot about everyone who has ever been involved in a discussion there. Future contributors might look at the talk page would be able to get a glimpse of who we might be in real life.Thinkmaths (talk) 03:46, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

@NeilN:See, did I not tell you that you only had to wait. Do you still think the discussion is like a walk in the park?Thinkmaths (talk) 03:46, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

fyi. --AmritasyaPutra 07:12, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Bhumihar Brahmins..

Please change the page bhumihar... Bhumihar Brahmins are one of the branches of Kanyakubj brahmins. Go to .. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/Kanyakubja_Brahmins. But wikipedia says that they are not brahmins. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anant57 (talk • contribs) 16:15, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

@Anant57: The article already has, "The Bhumihars claim Brahmin status, and are therefore, also called Bhumihar Brahmins." --NeilN 16:24, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Its too funny.. Misplaced Pages says Bhumihar Brahmins are known by this name just because they claim that they are brahmin. That means if I clain that I'm President of India I will be known as Pesident Anant. Misplaced Pages is giving wrong information at the page Bhumihar. The real fact is that bhumihar brahmins are one if the branches of kanyakubj brahmin. Please change the contents of the page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anant57 (talk • contribs) 17:52, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

@Anant57: No, sorry. There is ample discussion on the article's talk page on this and you can make your case there. --NeilN 17:55, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

I think this needs to be addressed

Kautilya3 continues to allege canvassing on AfD page instead of taking it to the right place(ANI) despite being warned on his talk page that it is considered attack to repeat it indiscriminately. He alleged WP:FACTION before and was warned for that too by Sarvajna. I feel the accused editor is being baited. It is not warranted on the AfD page and Kautilya3 has been politely pointed about this but the behavior continues. --AmritasyaPutra 01:46, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

@AmritasyaPutra: Added a note here. --NeilN 02:03, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks NeilN. --AmritasyaPutra 04:57, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

From before

I detailed the issues at Talk:Robert P. McCulloch (prosecutor). I've gone through Parloff's misguided arguments, rebuked Sullivan's manipulation claims and Toobin's lack of research. I've highlighted Cintron's invalid arguments based on error which ignores the actual problem McCulloch made. Lastly, Rudy Giuliani's comments of support were turned to criticism and I highlight how it is an issue. Cwobeel's additions actually gloss over the reality of the situation and provides no insight or balance. In my own arguments on Toobin and Cintron I give two very clear points of valid criticism that does not rely on malice. Sorry for the delay, life calls. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 07:59, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Your role as editor is neither to question the validity of opinions, nor to question the motivations of those holding these opinions, all you need to be concerned about is reporting,. without bias, the significant opinions published in reliable sources, in proportion to their prominence. You argumentation is simply outside of the remit of Misplaced Pages. That is WP:NPOV 101. - Cwobeel (talk) 16:02, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

@ChrisGualtieri: I have to say that I largely agree with Cwobeel. You seem to be refuting the opinions of experts with your own analysis. That veers towards the territory of WP:NOR. If you wish to challenge these opinions you can either a) find other sources that contradict the opinions, b) show the sources are not considered reliable, or c) show these opinions are the minority viewpoint. --NeilN 16:30, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

No. I sourced the parts that would be controversial. I presented the evidence and provided context. In the first case, I mean seriously - I can source that like nothing, do I need to point out how an accusation of bias and manipulation in a BLP is an issue? I do not think we are in dispute that criticism exists, but most of it is in gross disproportion to actual fact. I did apologize for the Godwin's law reference, but Adolf Hitler is far more NPOV than McCullough's page. Since we cannot possibly disagree that there is overwhelming bulk of negative sources on Hitler, why would McCullough's page be given such wide latitude when counter information exists.Here and here and here. The whole fact that the state law was not changed and this is a criminal not civil case means that on inspection, Wilson could have challenged any conviction because of the state law. The Garner ruling likely does not apply and the state law remains on the books, McCullough deserves criticism for having the grand jury ignore the state law and make said request before deliberations. I make a fuller argument on the page, but the criticism exists - the criticism is just not well-founded. A source of real criticism is ignored in favor of a far weaker complaint. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 17:06, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Well, this is a real problem. Not having these basics in place will mean that our discussions will not be productive. If you have an issue with content policies, best would be to bring these to the attention of the community, rather than argue against them in content disputes. - Cwobeel (talk) 17:13, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

but most of it is in gross disproportion to actual fact - To put it bluntly, though. We are not here to question what sources say, or if the preponderance of sources got something wrong. - Cwobeel (talk) 17:16, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

As for the St. Louis public radio articles, nothing is stopping you from adding relevant passages to the article. But deleting significant opinions is not an option. - Cwobeel (talk) 17:22, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

thank you

Just wanted to thank you for warning user Tarnhall. I have noticed on too many occasions that he's trying to jeopardise The Danse Society page at his own amusement, as he is clearly Gilmartin that left the band in January.

May I please suggest some more edits? I have noticed that on the official website of the band, which is reliable since 2011, more edits should be added but I would prefer not to do it myself to avoid confusion due to the repeated vandalism. Their website suggests that the lineup has currently Sam Bollands at Keyboards and Jack Cooper at the bass, while Paul Nash (founder), Maethelyiah (member since the reformation) and Iain Hunter remain in the lineup. Their website is still being updated on a weekly basis since 2011 and it's here Please have a look as the band are still in business and have now a new single out with a new album coming soon, which should be included on the Wiki page, but as I explained I would prefer not to edit myself and see what you think first.

Thank you JA Journalist astronomist (talk) 21:29, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

References

1. www.thedansesociety.com

Ans van Dijk dangerous Nazi women in the Netherlands during world war 2

An English wikipedia page about Nazi women Ans van Dijk during the second world war 2. I do find it an interesting topic for people who wants to know who could be a Nazi women in the Netherlands or in the German empire. Second she has done high treason on innocent Jewish families, making counts from 700 to 1000 to Auswitzch. Innocent people who where caught by this Nazi women who lived in the Netherlands. I mean these are innocent people lifes during world war 2 who head to live so many years and still now, could there be an English wikipedia page about this women Ans van Dijk or created.

http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2011/12/on-traitors-and-victims-the-ans-van-dijk-story/

http://www.annefrank.org/en/Subsites/Annes-Amsterdam/Timeline/After-the-war/1946-1949/1947/Betrayer-Ans-van-Dijk-sentenced-to-death/#!/en/Subsites/Annes-Amsterdam/Timeline/After-the-war/1946-1949/1947/Betrayer-Ans-van-Dijk-sentenced-to-death/

https://books.google.nl/books?id=XnMAAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA14&lpg=PA14&dq=ans+van+dijk+nazi+women&source=bl&ots=neG0KLLo1E&sig=qsUcgwxr_dSDZ5Wwy5jYTynDM74&hl=nl&sa=X&ei=Os2VVOqxK87easOYgbgO&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=ans%20van%20dijk%20nazi%20women&f=false

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Work number1987 (talk • contribs) 19:37, 20 December 2014‎ (UTC)

• Sure sounds good, I will make one when I have a chance. Thanks. Obotlig ☣ 02:39, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
• Ans van Dijk Thanks User:911. Obotlig ☣ 03:24, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you so much this Nazi women has done so much harm to Jewish families in the Netherlands at Amsterdam but now there is a English wikipedia page, but it does not stands that she might be the one who knew Anne Frank family hiding place, that's also in the English sources, she might be the one who knew where Anna Frank's family was hiding and given to the Nazi, it's in the English sources, well she is at least a suspect for given false hiding adresses to Jewish families during world war 2. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Work number1987 (talk • contribs) 20:23, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

(Friendly neighbourhood page stalker) My major concern here is that of one of the sources cited. The "Occidental Observer". It appears to have a white supremacist agenda. The site is littered with anti-semitic and anti-black articles. The source talking about this wretched traitor (for that she certainly was) has an element of almost schienenfraud (I can never spell that excellent German word that conveys so much) that this was a Jew. I would be more comfortable if a different, more respectable source on this individual could be substituted. I am sure there are other sources that could be tapped. User:Kudpung,User:Diannaa sorry to disturb you but can you take a quick 5 mins checking the site? Is this a reliable source? You know how much I respect your knowledge. Regards all and happy holidays! Irondome (talk) 20:49, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

I took the article content straight from the other one, pretty much, and it doesn't seem to be phrased in a negative manner. If there is a serious question about the source then we should definitely fact check it. Obotlig ☣ 22:45, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

I hear you on that. However, my fear is that using extremist websites (their modus operandi can be very sophisticated) brings the project into potential disrepute. It may be a seemingly straightforward article, but with a sinister subtext within the context of the ideology of the site. ("See? the Jews worst enemies were their own" etc etc) That it agrees with the facts does not lessen its dubious veracity as a source I would argue. Cheers for getting back Irondome (talk) 22:52, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Almost any source on this topic is going to have a heavy bias but if there is a single source for the material and it is questionable maybe the article should be AfD? Obotlig ☣ 02:22, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Nah not AfD. It is a perfectly sound article and I would support it's retention. As I keep saying, its the NPOV of the source in question that disturbs me. It is a racist website. The Occidental Observer. Please take a look and note its contributors, especially Martin Webster, the onetime leader of the British neo- Nazi National Front (UK). Note that our own article on the O.O. is outdated source wise. The site seems to have become more extreme. (Check out its current offerings. "Are Jews whites?" is a sample of whats being carried at the moment) Does an extremist website holding extreme racist views be a RS? Your statement "almost any source on this topic is going to have a heavy bias" is questionable IMO. The only bias should be for the truth, both physical and ideologically NPOV. The occidental observer article may be light on direct attacks (I will re-read it, been a few hours), but it is hijacking history arguably to push an extremist agenda. I still support the article validity. I object to the occidental observer being a source for an otherwise clear and objective piece. That is why I pinged User:Diannaa, because she very likely knows an additional source which would be far stronger academically and with none of the faint stench of neo-Nazism that site gives out. I pinged User:Kudpung for his overall WP knowledge and any steers based on precedents. I think the article is better off without the so called occidental observer. Regards Irondome (talk) 02:48, 25 Decembeer 2014 (UTC)

AFAICS Ans van Dijk in its current cast - and that's all that intrests us here - is a perfectly legitimate article (I haven't checked for COPYVIOS, etc.) Unless I'm gravely mistaken or have missed somthing so obvious that I didn't see it, the only reference is to a Dutch book review site (which I took the trouble to read in its original Duch). FWIW, I do not consider the http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net web site to be even a remotely Reliable source and in my opinion even its notability for a Misplaced Pages article is questionable. It's nearly noon on Xmas Day here and if I'm wrong on anything, I'll gladly stand corrected. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:53, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Have a good day K :) Thanks for taking the trouble. regards Irondome (talk) 05:03, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

The article checks out okay from a copy-vio point of view.Much of the article is a copy vio of a Google translation of this article. I will clean it up -- Diannaa (talk) 18:34, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for taking the time out Diannaa. Hope you are having a good day! Regards Irondome (talk) 18:42, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

@Irondome: @Obotlig: Tip: I usually search WP:RSN as a first step if I have questions about a source: --NeilN 00:50, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Cheers for the ping Neil. A belated good new year! Regards Irondome (talk) 16:05, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Create a seperate section of Hindu Pathans

Well people call Hindu's living in Afghanistan Hindki's or Hindkowa's but those people are mostly called Hindu Pathan. If a Hindu lives in Afghanistan that person is given by Muhammedens the name Hindki but I am sure that those people are called Hindu Pathans because the Pathan name is derived from a Kushan dynasty, and Peshewar and North Pakistan. Hindki or Hindkowas name does not excist in India for Hindu's normally coming from Afghanistan, because it is given by persons who don't follow Hinduism. The name Pathan also said in the link is already known in India. The Pathans are a Caucasoid race, who emigrated from the Middle East during the first millennium B.C but that is an Indian theory of an Indus civilization or Indian population migration theory. The Middle East did not excist first millennium B.C and was a Persian Zoroastrianism empire of Asian origin that now only excist in Mumbai. Is there any chance to make a seperate section on the wikipedia of Hindu Pathans, because the Hindki population is 300.000 and classified as Pathans?

http://www.hindukushtrails.com/tribes-pathans.php

https://en.wikipedia.org/Hindki

https://en.wikipedia.org/Hindkowans — Preceding unsigned comment added by Work number1987 (talk • contribs) 20:55, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

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Haredi Judaism comes from Eastern Europe

Mostly the Ashkenazi Jews comes from central Europe but the Haredi Judaism really comes Central and Eastern Europe, countries like Belarus, Ukraine, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Russia, Czech Republic, Slovakia. I red a while ago that Haredi judaism came from Poland but that's not true according to wikipedia timeline of Poland, Poland was always Germany untill 1947, it is dominated with a Christian religion. Eastern Europe is dominated with a strong Haredi Judaism culture. One of the biggest Jewish populations was found at Belarus at a total amount of the entire population. Is it not important to have countries where Heredi people come from at the Heredi judaism wikipedia page, to show difference in Heredi and Asknenazi? Belarus is a beautifull example of Heredi Judaism and culture. I added the Belarus population page of the Jewish people before second world war 2 and the numbers where around 800,000 and even in 1979 the number where 135,400. You can see on the country image file where the Orthodox Jews of Haredi descent are living in the red area's. I believe next to other area's the Orthodox Judaism and Haredi culture comes from Eastern Europe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/Haredi_Judaism

https://en.wikipedia.org/Ashkenazi_Jews

https://en.wikipedia.org/History_of_the_Jews_in_Belarus

https://en.wikipedia.org/History_of_the_Jews_in_Belarus#mediaviewer/File:Map_showing_percentage_of_Jews_in_the_Pale_of_Settlement_and_Congress_Poland,_c._1905.png

https://en.wikipedia.org/History_of_the_Jews_in_Belarus#mediaviewer/File:Jews_in_Belarus,_censuses_1959-2009.png

https://en.wikipedia.org/Ashkenazi_Jews#mediaviewer/File:Juden_1881.JPG — Preceding unsigned comment added by Work number1987 (talk • contribs) 21:50, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

http://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Haredi_Judaism.html

http://www.myjewishlearning.com/history/Jewish_World_Today/Denominations/Orthodox/haredim.shtml

List of Dutch Nazi during the second world war missing on English wikipedia page next to German Nazi's

List of the Dutch Nazi's during the second world war is missing next to German Nazi's, I mean when seeing the list of the German Nazi's party I see people of Slowakia, Hungary, Osteria decent, but where are the Dutch Nazi's on the wikipedia page, men or women are a completely gone at the list, the right Christian party was even with some people with Jewish background.

https://en.wikipedia.org/National_Socialist_Movement_in_the_Netherlands — Preceding unsigned comment added by Work number1987 (talk • contribs) 22:57, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

@Work number1987: You really need to make specific suggestions for modifications, listing the specific sources you want to use. Misplaced Pages articles are not reliable sources and neither is a site with this disclaimer, "This content of this page is taken from Misplaced Pages, and may not be up-to-date. The objective of this website is NOT to provide information, but to demonstrate an automatic document organizer and browser." --NeilN 00:43, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Happy New Year

		Happy New Year !!!
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Thanks for the notice

Speedy Deletion was prematurely removed, but the page has been vandalized many times since 2007. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moviemoguls (talk • contribs) 04:56, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

@Moviemoguls: The article has spent most of its history in a deleted state --NeilN 05:01, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

From 2007 - 2012 the article was on-line, it was only deleted from 2012 - 2015, so it has spent most of it's life undeleted, and significant new information has come to light since a deletion that would justify recreating the deleted page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moviemoguls (talk • contribs) 11:14, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

@Moviemoguls: And now it has been deleted two more times, the last time for copyright infringement. Suggest you use the Article wizard to draft the article and get it reviewed by experienced volunteers. --NeilN 16:02, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Manhattan

So your plan is to force me to deal with that person that makes me sick? talk→ WPPilot  09:06, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

@WPPilot: Take a break or simply stop posting there. --NeilN 09:08, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Take me out of the conversation. talk→ WPPilot  09:10, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

@WPPilot: Suggest you strike-through your comments. --NeilN 09:11, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Me not Drmies

I think you meant me, not Drmies, when you posted to Bishonen. Dougweller (talk) 19:25, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

@Dougweller: Sorry! It seems my mind is still lying on the beach, drinking fruity concoctions. --NeilN 19:28, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Nominating an Article for Deletion is not Disruptive Editing.

Nominating an Article for Deletion is not Disruptive Editing, these pages are vanity pages and are unnotable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moviemoguls (talk • contribs) 20:53, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

@Moviemoguls: It is disruptive when you don't follow the WP:AFD process three times. These are articles, not miscellaneous pages. And are you ever going to sign your posts? --NeilN 20:57, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

FYI: Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Moviemoguls. (@Cullen328: ping.) - Location (talk) 09:06, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Location. I looked at both editors' contribution histories when Cybornetics popped up - not sure if it's socking but there's definitely some meatpuppetting and COI editing going on. --NeilN 14:10, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Note: Moved to Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Cybornetics. --NeilN 21:18, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

RE: Talk: Death of Leelah Alcorn

NeilN, I believe you issued a warning in error toward me. Please retract it, because my section contribution was truthful and beneficial. If you continue to send me such messages with warning contents, then I will have to report you as a spam bot, because frankly your behaviour exhibits such characteristics. As a final comment, restore my section contribution on the page mentioned in the subject, or you will be reported as stated previously. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.100.253.75 (talk) 17:18, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Well, put it this way. Add that comment again and I will ask that you be blocked. Consider this your final warning. --NeilN 17:23, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

"Rv sock"

Hey NeilN. I was wondering who the sock puppeteer of the sock you reverted in this edit was. Thanks! Lor 04:29, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

@Lor: It's a dynamic IP who's been harassing Bish recently. See User_talk:Bishonen#ANI. --NeilN 04:33, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Have you filed a SPI ? Even if it's a Duck, it's still a good idea so things can be worked out what to do with it. Lor 04:41, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

@Lor: Actually it's a proxy so a SPI is of little use. WP:RBI seems adequate right now. --NeilN 05:45, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

This is something that I would also be keen to know. I was also concerned at the reference to Technophant which, at the least, would have taken a little research if not background knowledge. In a previous reference to an IP involvement I saw reference to Drmies but have failed to track it down. GregKaye 09:48, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Dont Treat Me Like A Child

My Father, Mike Hawker wrote the lyrics for the song, Dont Treat Me Like a Child, as he did for all other songs for Helen Shapiro written by him and John Schroeder!! Please correct this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AndyH2jj (talk • contribs) 06:29, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi AndyH2jj. As I said on the Help Desk, we need a published source to state this information. Misplaced Pages articles are based on verified information that has been published in reliable sources. An editor's personal knowledge and experiences cannot substitute for this. --NeilN 06:40, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Really??? So what published source did you use to post the incorrect information that you are displaying about this song?

Here is an obit for my father from The Independent newspaper which confirms he wrote Don't Treat Me Like A Child.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/obituaries/mike-hawker-songwriter-who-won-an-ivor-novello-for-walkin-back-to-happiness-and-also-wrote-for-dusty-springfield-9598917.html

or perhaps this from BASCA.... http://basca.org.uk/news/tributes/

If you need further confirmation, then The Times also did an obit, or you can write to PRS, The Performing Rights Society. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AndyH2jj (talk • contribs) 17:19, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks AndyH2jj. The Independent source makes it clear that your father co-wrote the song. I'll make the change. Do you have any other sources that cover your father? They could be used to write a Misplaced Pages article about him. --NeilN 17:27, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

If u want more info, search for the obit from The Times...also you can write to my mother jeanryderspain@yahoo.com she could give u lots of information.

You can also fin more information about my father here.... http://www.dustyday.co.uk/dusty-news/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by AndyH2jj (talk • contribs) 17:58, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

@AndyH2jj: Actually, I've found more sources. Give me about a week and I should have an article up. --NeilN 18:02, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Ok, great, if u need anything clarifying, just let me know.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/obituaries/article4156997.ece

please note, the original Times obituary had the cause of death wrong, they said he died of pancreatic cancer, which is not true, he had Pancreatic Cancer, and had a major operation about 4 years ago when they cut out half of his insides, and he became one of only a very few people in the world to ever survive PC, of which he was very proud, his doctor called him his hero, and only told him after the operation that at my Dad's age, he didn't think he could survive such major surgery. But he did, he even managed a holiday in Romania where i live with my wife, Otilia and his only granddaughter, Jessica Jean, who he adored, she is 5.5 years old now. He has 2 grandsons through my sister, Sarah..Jack and Sam.

He was totally clear of all cancer, and was looking forward to travelling and working more, he had also started writing film scripts and was keen to try and get his first movie deal.

Then he developed heart problems at the beginning of 2014 and went for tests and he had to have a double by-pass operation and a new aortic valve inserted, he had the operation in April 2014, and again he came through strongly, but unfortunately a week after being sent home he started having terrible pains, so he was taken back in and he had a huge internal infection, they did what they could, but the hospital was short staffed for bank holidays, and he died on May 4th 2014.

Michael Edwin Hawker 29.11.1936 - 04.05.2014

Born in Bath, Somerset, died in London.

parents: Ronald Edwin Victor (REV) Hawker, RAF Squadron Leader Rhoda Elizabeth (Peggy) Hawker (nee Newman)

If u want some pictures of him, send me and email address so that i can send to you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AndyH2jj (talk • contribs) 20:00, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Note

Please undo this edit per WP:BLPREMOVE, I gave 48 hours for rebuttals and no one felt the need to reply to it until I removed the final extreme BLP issue. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 06:39, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

@ChrisGualtieri: No, as you are making up your own BLP policy (and resorting to incorrect allegations and facts) to remove information you personally don't agree with (as shown by your repeated attempts to treat a Supreme Court clerk as someone whose views you can remove because you think they are wrong). That's not how Misplaced Pages works. If you think an expert's views are wrong, find another reliable source that says so. --NeilN 06:49, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Robert P. McCulloch (prosecutor)#Requested move 20 December 2014

I invite you to a move discussion. --George Ho (talk) 20:01, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Replied here. --NeilN 20:15, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Please stop pinging me

Please stop pinging me. Despite my personal inclinations to condemn McCulloch - I have more restraint and respect for McCulloch and have been trying to maintain professionalism and accuracy and you have snark and disdain for high quality material. I will not waste my time when better material and more accurate sources are not wanted over poor grade pieces which asserts false material. To be false does not take Arming America-type research, but errors of omission or misleading implications are equally valid concerns which make a source false or unreliable. I have better things to do than argue with editors who has a lack of respect for our article subjects. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 20:31, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

If you look at the above section, you'll see that George Ho invited me to a separate move discussion. I had a question about a post you made 17 days ago so I thought it would be polite to ping you. Given your last sentence (assumptions of bad faith) I see I was wrong. I will permanently stop pinging you. --NeilN 21:11, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

That last sentence wasn't directed at you, but we are not on the same wavelength it seems. I know with the additional eyes (like yourself) the article will be improved. I'm dipping out of the articles since the biggest issues were resolved. While we disagree on standards - its much better than what it once was. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 00:51, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

List of Internet forums

I just reorganized the List of Internet forums talk page (spent 45 minutes) so that the discussions were in chronological order by topic so that readers could follow the development of the criteria. I also reformatted the table last week. No content changes. Problem? Should this not have been done (I'll come back here for the answer.) 192.136.235.164 (talk) 21:04, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi 192. Changing what other people wrote (even if it's something minor, like adding .com) is frowned upon. And editors expect sections to appear in chronological order. You moved a section you started today in between two sections that were started more than five years ago. This is confusing as editors expect and look for new content at the bottom of a talk page. --NeilN 21:15, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

OK. Thanks for the conventions.
192.136.235.164 (talk) 22:07, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

See bottom of page. https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:List_of_Internet_forums#Vandalism_www.thebiggestforums.com.2F

192.136.235.164 (talk) 16:19, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Replied here. --NeilN 16:22, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Revdel

Done. Dougweller (talk) 12:35, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. --NeilN 12:36, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Also your OS request. Dougweller (talk) 19:24, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

@Dougweller: Editor, admin, arbitrator, oversighter... Anything else? --NeilN 19:28, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Arbitrators have CU and OS as part of their toolkit. Dougweller (talk) 19:30, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Infrormation of Kammas after fall of Kakatiya Dynasty.

Hello NeilN,

I understand you are deleting contributions on Kakatiya Dynasty and inserting false information into there. There wasn't any valid evidence of Kamma Rulers in Kakatiya Dynasty. After fall of Kakatiya Dynasty, their cheifs declared themselves as kings and one of them were Reddy Dynasty of Addanki. There is an evident information on the same at wikepedia too and here it goes for your quick information. http://en.wikipedia.org/Reddy#Kakatiya_period.

Please do not misguide people across the globe that Kammas were rulers after fall of Kakatiya, which never been so.

Shashi Arjula, PhD(Ancient Indian History - Osmania University) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shashi.Arjula (talk • contribs) 15:55, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

@Shashi.Arjula: I assume this and this is you? Please:

1. Log in when you edit.
2. Use edit summaries to explain your changes and deletions.
3. Add sources to back up your changes

Thank you. --NeilN 16:04, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

One of the recent change by another IP was also incorrect. Bladesmulti (talk) 07:07, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

do not further contaminate my talk page.

Do you understand? Frysay (talk) 07:02, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

@Frysay: I will have to notify you if I'm the one bringing you to WP:ANI. --NeilN 07:03, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Title Paragraph Should Describe Main Ideas

Title paragraph should give main ideas concerned with the topic, not ancillary statistical information that does not support the topic.Vernekar8 (talk) 07:47, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi Vernekar8. no need to copy your post from the article talk page. Replied here. --NeilN 08:00, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Link deleted from "External links"

Hello NeilN,

I'd like to ask you to reconsider the deletion of the link I included recently, for the following reasons:

Recently added link "Naukri FastForward" is a sub domain of Naukri.com so how adding a sub domain of any official website could be a Spam?

Thanks, I'd like to know what you think. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ankush4577 (talk • contribs) 08:06, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi Ankush4577 The External links section is not a place for companies to advertise their services. They get one link, per WP:ELMINOFFICIAL. --NeilN 14:57, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Page notice

I have reminded the editor about the sanctions of Ayurveda, you think it would be good to make a page notice like there is for Homeopathy.- Bladesmulti (talk) 08:17, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi Bladesmulti. That unilateral imposition of 0RR was a poor decision on John's part. I vaguely remember reading something about it on ANI. Wasn't it subsequently revoked? There's no talk page or edit notice referring to it. If it's still in force then I suppose I'm guilty of breaking it with my single revert. As for your suggestion, I see there is consensus against (disputed?) referring to Ayurveda as pseudoscience (unlike Homeothapy) so what discretionary sanctions would apply? --NeilN 15:17, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

There was no such arbcom template on the talk(page) when John had imposed restrictions, it was later added by one of the user and others deemed it as a violation of arbcom template, but they couldn't view like this anymore when it was clarified that John had imposed sanctions before the so called change that included the template to talk. That ANI section was moved to AN and the sanction was further extended, it turned into a Arbcom restriction. It is said that this recent case may put many of the contradictory arguments about alternative medicines out. There are 4 points on this template some viewed that it may fall under the point 4. I didn't argued about it but you are right that there is a possibility to dispute, seeing that the association of pseudoscience sanctions of Acupuncture has been disputed. Bladesmulti (talk) 15:26, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

@Bladesmulti: Okay, I'm taking this to mean 0RR is not in force on that article. Whatever sanctions are in force should be put in an edit notice as you suggested, to inform unsuspecting editors. --NeilN 15:35, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Better thing would be, if I ask John to do that. See you soon. Bladesmulti (talk) 15:38, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)It isn't clear, but John has refused to give up his pov enabling grip on that page, and I doubt his mate Blades will be able or even willing to help, because he is an admitted advocate of Ayurvedic nonsense. It is also worth noting that despite the badly closed RfC, Ayurveda is Pseudoscience all the way through, just like a stick of rock has writin' all the way through. -Roxy the dog™ (resonate) 15:52, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

You are misinterpreting me and him once again. RFC was closed properly and no one seems to have opposed it even on AN, just discount the pseudohistorical revisionism and stick to something that actually exists. Bladesmulti (talk) 16:42, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

@Roxy the dog: Looks like a mess. "All editors of Ayurveda are restricted from edit-warring, broadly construed; from name-calling, however mild; and from making major changes without agreement in talk." is incompatible with 0RR. If an editor makes a major change without consensus, everyone is still barred from reverting? Editing restrictions should be written with the emphasis on making sure the article complies with WP:FRINGE. --NeilN 16:03, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Only for 4 hours, and that was proposed by Future at perfect sunrise. They wouldn't be considered, if they are not explained well or accepted. Some of the things like, datings, names, trivial facts, statistics, etc. are quickly accepted. Bladesmulti (talk) 16:42, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Four hours before you can revert a change that doesn't have consensus? That's still poorly thought out. "Ayurveda cures cancer." "Ayurveda causes cancer." both should be reverted immediately. --NeilN 16:50, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

For that reason, page is semi protected. Until now no one has made such changes. Probably because a auto confirmed user is a bit aware. Bladesmulti (talk) 16:55, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protection is pretty irrelevant. Create a new account, make ten inconsequential edits, wait four days, and poof!, you can stick your declaration in the article for four hours. The edit that triggered this discussion was made by an autoconfirmed editor. --NeilN 17:04, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

e/c I got 24 hours for the phrase "fringe pushers who don't have the good of wikipedia as their highest priority." interpreted by John as an NPA on the Talk page. Many admins could not find a personal attack in what I wrote, and I had been very careful not to make a personal attack, but nevertheless. I put a connected contributor tag on the talk page recently, but otherwise I've left it alone as poisonous. -Roxy the dog™ (resonate) 16:45, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Don't take it too seriously because no one actually unblocked you for that. Bladesmulti (talk) 16:55, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Blades, are you not paying attention or something. There is still debate going on today about that improper close. I suggest if you cannot be accurate about something, it is probably better to not make things up. -Roxy the dog™ (resonate) 16:48, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

AN section has been archived already by a bot and the so called admin help(on talk) was marked as 'yes', have you missed all of it? No one is going to introduce factual errors on a main page, just because you want. Bladesmulti (talk) 16:55, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Meh. -Roxy the dog™ (resonate) 17:02, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

speedy deletion of photo

Hi there- I added a note to the page where the deleted photo is, hoping that will resolve the copyright issue. I am clearly new to wikipedia, so pls let me know if I need to describe the copyright situation differently. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elephants3 (talk • contribs) 20:01, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi Elephants3. The image was deleted yesterday (we're pretty quick to remove copyright violations) so your note currently won't help. As it is, you released it under a problematic fair use license. Misplaced Pages can use fair use images only if certain strict conditions are met. One of these is listed in the template you used: "where the image is unrepeatable, i.e. a free image could not be created to replace it;" For example, if the image is of a famous performance or a historic meeting between two people. Your image was a fairly generic one, showing members of the ensemble. This could be easily replaced by a free image. If you cannot release the image under a free-use license my suggestion is to take another photo yourself and upload that using an appropriate license. Sorry if this is bit of a pain but Misplaced Pages strives to be as "free" as possible. --NeilN 20:26, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Hey, nice trimming of the Pubic hair ...article.

I know, it's juvenile, but I couldn't help it. If you're offended, you can remove this ...and if you remove it, I won't be offended. ;)

Musdan77 (talk) 05:16, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

@Musdan77: Ha! Thanks. It's not great but the lead needed a... shave. --NeilN 05:19, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

O man where is the report button. *SILLINESS SPOTTED* Halv timme is over it seems. Obotlig ☣ 06:45, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Talkback

NORTH AMERICA 10:45, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Please Reply

Hi NeilN,

I want to apologize for not getting back to you. I understand my actions and I will not add any more excess detail to top-level city pages, such as fire department subsections. Thanks--FDNY18

@FDNY18: Thanks, appreciate that. --NeilN 03:31, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Um, the fire departments may be worth mentioning if they are historically significant. Neil ain't an admin BTW, just plays one in Talk: space. :) Obotlig ☣ 03:28, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

@Obotlig: 1) Did you check the material being added before you commented? 2) Despite the smiley face, I'm at a loss why you made the admin comment when neither FDNY18 or I brought it up. Discussing appropriate content is not "playing admin". --NeilN 03:35, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

It just seemed like a strange tone for FDNY18 to be using. He doesn't have to answer to a peer in that manner. Also I would indeed like to check out what material is being excluded if it relates to this topic. Is it worth the while? Obotlig ☣ 05:15, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

@Obotlig: It's easy enough to check his talk page and contribs, some of which I've been trimming for a year plus. , --NeilN 05:51, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

"Trimming" Obotlig ☣ 06:54, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

??? --NeilN 06:56, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Read this

This organisation is a non-profit one .it is Not a copyright violation — Preceding unsigned comment added by Absolution provider 1999 (talk • contribs)

@Absolution provider 1999: The non-profit status has nothing to do with copyrights. Anyone or any organization can copyright works. --NeilN 06:32, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Is copying and pasting sections from an online article a breach of wikipedia policies. Legacypac deleted addition to the religious and minority group persecution saying it is copyrighted which is not, this person is a disruptive editor and directed personal attacks towards me claiming that I am a banned user.This person seems to be doing this to several editors.Absolution provider 1999 (talk) 13:05, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

@Absolution provider 1999: The only issue here is you being unable or unwilling to understand copyright and repeatedly inserting copyrighted material into articles instead of stopping and listening. --NeilN 14:32, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Clint Eastwood

Thank you for helping me out. I was simply trying to upload a more recent, better looking picture of Eastwood, but I did not know how. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RockyBalboa55 (talk • contribs) 20:47, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi RockyBalboa55. Do you have a link to the photo? --NeilN 20:51, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I do. It's a picture of him at the 2012 AFI Awards. http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Clint+Eastwood+12th+Annual+AFI+Awards+Reception+WZp82mEyIBXl.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by RockyBalboa55 (talk • contribs) 20:55, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

@RockyBalboa55: Did you take that picture or was it someone else? If it was someone else then it's very likely copyrighted and we can't use it. For living people, Misplaced Pages can only use pictures which are in the public domain or under a "free-to-use" for any purpose license. --NeilN 20:59, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

What if the picture was a desktop screenshot I took? — Preceding unsigned comment added by RockyBalboa55 (talk • contribs) 22:48, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

@RockyBalboa55: Nice try, but no :-) That's a reproduction of a copyrighted image and does not create a new work that you can license. --NeilN 00:35, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Template

The user removed a WP:RS and shrinked the article's reliably sourced content. How come is my use of the template "idiotic". MaRAno 05:22, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

@MaranoFan: You are welcoming an admin and telling them, "Although everyone is welcome to contribute to Misplaced Pages, please take some time to familiarise yourself with our policies and guidelines". Use some common sense and explain in your own words what issue you have. Removing sourced info can be constructive. --NeilN 05:27, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

@NeilN: Excuse me, did you just say removing reliably sourced content can be constructive? MaRAno 05:29, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

@MaranoFan: You bet. If it's WP:UNDUE, a WP:COATRACK, misleading, unencyclopedic, etc., etc., etc. --NeilN 05:31, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Dgdcw, and welcome to Misplaced Pages!

Thank you very much for welcoming me to Misplaced Pages.

The note on the definitions of Buddhism (religion, philosophy) I submitted without knowing where it should go. However, that note was something I did in desperation. The problem I started with was translation of Pali Saddhā as faith. At the time I started the problem I was novice in the field of Buddhist studies. I had no knowledge of Pali. However, my education was in science, mathematics and engineering. For 11 long years I kept on because I was retired and had nothing else to do. In this process I had to learn everything from the beginning. I registered for a PhD is 2006. However, I could not finish it within the period of registration. The problem of the definition cropped up when I tried to write up the results of my investigations. I couldn't find a unique definition.

If I reject the definitions of Buddhism and Buddhist philosophy, in effect I am rejecting the those two articles. And many more articles on Buddhism.

I am Sinhala speaking Sri Lankan. Our lives are shaped by Buddha Dhamma and not by Buddhism. Dhamma is here simply the 5 precepts--right and wrong. Things like don't kill are taught at home by parents. We don't kill mosquitoes because we go to hell; we are (were) afraid of the mother. Things are like that.Today there are '350' million Buddhists in the world. They have no problem in following their Dhamma.

I shall be most grateful for any advice as to how I should proceed. Dgdcw (talk) 09:13, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi Dgdcw. Article content on Misplaced Pages is not based on editors' experiences but rather what is published in reliable sources. Your talk page post did spark a change in the lead sentence with the addition of 'or dharma, "right way of living"'. Were you looking for something else? --NeilN 14:14, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for the prompt reply.

I have been misunderstood by some poeple. Let me please explain again. I wanted a defintion of Buddhism. I found the three variants I mentioned. How to make a selection? I tried the Boolean analysis in the hope that it would solve the problem. I put the result in the talk page hoping someone would comment on it. I hope the people who critisized me hardly would understand.

Adding Dharma will not help. Dharma and Dhamma are two different things. Both are some sort of Laws. Religion is about rites and rituals. Actually the problem is with the definition of religion.

Actually Lord Buddha defined a path to achieve a mental state (Nibbana); a state in which one is perfectly happy. It is definitely not a religion any sense of the word. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dgdcw (talk • contribs) 18:17, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

@Dgdcw: The current definition of Buddhism comes from reliable sources such as Pew or Britannica. What Buddhists call it does not take precedence over this (we wouldn't call Christianity the "one true religion"). If you're looking for a philosophical discussion about the nature of Buddhism or religion then Misplaced Pages isn't the place for that. We're focused on summarizing information published elsewhere. --NeilN 18:45, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

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