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	: Then what is the point of having the tag in the first place? I am only following ]. ''']''' (]) 21:42, 25 January 2015 (UTC)		: Then what is the point of having the tag in the first place? I am only following ]. ''']''' (]) 21:42, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
	:: Except you're ''not''. You have, for example, tagged multiple singles that have appeared (sometimes quite highly) in national music charts. Also, if you're tagging such articles as non-notable, you are effectively saying they should be deleted, so should be following ] and checking that they ''aren't'' notable. For some you've tagged, a simple Google search would reveal multiple secondary sources discussing them. Even if you don't add those sources, that should tell you that the tag is not appropriate, and an <nowiki>{{Unreferenced}}</nowiki> or <nowiki>{{Refimprove}}</nowiki> tag should be applied. ] 23:05, 25 January 2015 (UTC)		:: Except you're ''not''. You have, for example, tagged multiple singles that have appeared (sometimes quite highly) in national music charts. Also, if you're tagging such articles as non-notable, you are effectively saying they should be deleted, so should be following ] and checking that they ''aren't'' notable. For some you've tagged, a simple Google search would reveal multiple secondary sources discussing them. Even if you don't add those sources, that should tell you that the tag is not appropriate, and an <nowiki>{{Unreferenced}}</nowiki> or <nowiki>{{Refimprove}}</nowiki> tag should be applied. ] 23:05, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
			::: The music notability guideline states that ''one solitary chart placing'', with no other chart placings or valid references to back it up, ''may not'' qualify a subject for Misplaced Pages notability. I have been using the <nowiki>{{notability}}</nowiki> tag to let other editors know that the article, in its current state, does not establish notability and that more references are needed. That's all I was doing. Is that violating a guideline? ''']''' (]) 23:43, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

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It is notable; it has been reviewed by AllMusic, a notable publication, and appears in several books – do a Google Books search. Lachlan Foley 16:12, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

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You keep on reverting The Scream, Join Hands and Juju where as new reviews and productive changes were added and explained. Stop reverting me please. Please refrain from deleting content you do not agree with, as you did to these articles. Disruptive genre-related edits made to suit your own point of view are considered disruptive. Carliertwo (talk) 10:32, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

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Juju

Your behaviour on Juju is wp:vandalism: stop reverting please. I already warned you in May on your page. I had to re-add once again Sounds'review!!! and revert a blog review that was not a wp:reliable source. And finally, as this lp is mainly considered as post-punk (see the review of Allmusic here), we have to revert the other content which was wp:undue. Carliertwo (talk) 15:17, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

a) I wrote here that Piero Scaruffi is a blog: it's not considered as a wp:reliable source. Make research: this has already been discussed many times on WP.

b) I first included a review of this famous paper that is Sounds (magazine) on 3 May 2013. I counted your edits: you reverted this sounds review three times, first on 5 May, (see here)], and once again on 5 May, (see here) and finally 2 June, (see here). This is wp:vandalism. Are you lazy, is it too much to ask to read other people's contributions before to click on the button "undo", seriously! Don't ever do this again! Discuss on the talk page when you disagree but stop reverting. Your edits are wp:disruptive.

c) The manual of Style of an album doesn't encourage half-baked propositions like naming a section: genre connection. You don't respect wp:neutral point of view in this case. Read the professionnal Juju reviews written by Allmusic (read here), Sounds (magazine) (read here) and The Guardian (read 3). You'll see that this genre you desesperate to connect this LP with, is not mentionned once. Allmusic qualified this Lp as "a post-punk classic" and onky with this term, they didn't write a gothic classic. You always have to wp:STICKTOSOURCE, if you don't it is wp:orginal research. Regarding the parts you added from Paytress's biography, it's far too long and there are not from professionnal critics. Chainsaw is not a writer: he's like Piero Scaruffi. Who cares of what he's saying. He's not a critic. Same remark for Phil Oakey. Chainsaw and Phil Oakey opinions should not be worked into an article about Juju- they haven't made any dent into their career or critical credibility, their opinions mean nothing. As compared to the other opinions out there that say "this lp is post-punk". These two persons are no where the others - which is all that should be included. A marginal opinion is definitely notable for inclusion, if the source is reliable - and if the article is avoiding any issues with undue weight, which is my issue here. The article should establish post-punk a the main genre.Carliertwo (talk) 16:11, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Discogs

In the totality of album articles across WP, I looked at a random sample of 10 articles from Category:FA-Class Album articles, Discogs is never put at the bottom of the page in external links. I note that you have never given a single valiod reason for adding this Discogs site. Misplaced Pages article about Discogs says in the lead users are continually adding previously unlisted releases to the site over time: this means that Discogs is a non-professionnal site. Therefore, it hasn't got its place on a wiki article. Carliertwo (talk) 15:41, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Discogs is not approved by a very large majority of WP users in a discussion: Read here. This is my Last Warning: don't even try to make me waste my time anymore by pushing this once again or there'll will be sanctions. Your agressive behaviour has to stop. Be polite and cite guidelines when you disagree, you don't seem to know them, wp:reliable source for instance. Carliertwo (talk) 15:21, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

To answer your questions

Re this edit summary There are times to create redlinks and I figured that these topics could have articles someday, so I linked them. Do you disagree? I don't know anything about using "and" in infoboxes, but I don't know why we wouldn't. I remove excess spacing because it makes it more intelligible in my browser window. If you want to respond, please let me know with {{tb}} or write on my talk. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 13:38, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

I think if we use "and" in one infobox parameter then we must use it in all parameters to be indiscriminate, including even the genre parameter. Personally I am opposed to that, and I think it would make more sense for Misplaced Pages to treat these fields as lists and use semicolons instead of commas to seperate list items, but for now, commas are next best. Lachlan Foley 22:50, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Separators Why would we separate list items with semicolons? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:52, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

It is my understanding that semicolons are more appropriate than commas in basic, threadbare lists with no prose; I could be wrong Lachlan Foley 22:58, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

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Looking at the ridiculous genres listed on Fun House, it was only sensible. Lachlan Foley (talk) 09:47, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

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OK, what's going on? If know the Manics, then you will know that tagging a song that went to #23 by one of the biggest bands of that era for notability is not on. It isn't 1995, and Misplaced Pages isn't writing letters to NME about how shite Menswear was. --Shirt58 (talk) 07:55, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

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You have started to add tags at the top of several articles, concerning some of their singles, this is not appropriate. By doing this, you unilaterally discredit all the work that has been done by the other users. For Downside Up for instance, you put an tag whereas there are 8 references. Add {fact needed} in the body of the article would be more relevant.

Concerning this demand of merging the articles about the "Candyman" single with the Tinderbox album, it is out of question. Their wp:notability is proved. This singer was on the cover of Mojo (magazine) in October 2014, consequently all her releases deserve an article. Carliertwo (talk) 17:17, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Since when is notability inherited? That goes against Misplaced Pages's own guidelines. Lachlan Foley (talk) 17:56, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

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"Found That Soul"

Easily remedied - have added references if that's what you were after.Dan arndt (talk) 07:18, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

And have you looked at this thread about your disruptive editing? If you don't think something is notable, take it to AfD. Although all your AfDs will be easily kept. Lugnuts 10:12, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

Please STOP with your disruptive edits. If you don't think an article is notable, then take it to AfD. You are close to being blocked. Lugnuts 10:04, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

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The Holy Bible

Would be useful if you accepted other users suggestions, you changed the sections on the page, and you said that you were open for suggestions, guess not. User:Rhanas 23:27, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

The user in question is persistently reverting productive changes I am making to Manic Street Preachers articles without explanation. That is not my fault. Lachlan Foley (talk) 23:29, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

If anything he single improved a lot of the Manic Street Preachers pages, like other pages, you are the one persistently removing his information to, if he removes your information, he explains why, like he did on the Everything Must Go page, but you kept removing his information, and you were the one that did not explain NOTHING, and reported him. On the page in question, I don't see how this change is not productive. He sees what is best for the page, you make this a stupid fight. So don't say "its not my fault". User:Rhanas 23:37, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

Notability tagging

As, despite the discussion at WP:ANI, you are still edit-warring over notability tags, some of which are for singles that clearly pass WP:MUSIC, I have started a topic ban discussion there. I would strongly advise that you do not continue to add notability tags to music articles unless they are clearly non-notable (in which case they should be PRODded or AFDd anyway). Black Kite (talk) 13:40, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Then what is the point of having the tag in the first place? I am only following Notability (music). Lachlan Foley (talk) 21:42, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Except you're not. You have, for example, tagged multiple singles that have appeared (sometimes quite highly) in national music charts. Also, if you're tagging such articles as non-notable, you are effectively saying they should be deleted, so should be following WP:BEFORE and checking that they aren't notable. For some you've tagged, a simple Google search would reveal multiple secondary sources discussing them. Even if you don't add those sources, that should tell you that the tag is not appropriate, and an {{Unreferenced}} or {{Refimprove}} tag should be applied. Black Kite (talk) 23:05, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

The music notability guideline states that one solitary chart placing, with no other chart placings or valid references to back it up, may not qualify a subject for Misplaced Pages notability. I have been using the {{notability}} tag to let other editors know that the article, in its current state, does not establish notability and that more references are needed. That's all I was doing. Is that violating a guideline? Lachlan Foley (talk) 23:43, 25 January 2015 (UTC)