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Removal of sourced content from article

Hello, I'm Peacemaker67. I noticed that you recently removed some content from 27th Motorised Division Brescia without explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Misplaced Pages with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; I restored the removed content. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks! Peacemaker67 (send... over) 23:47, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

http://www.comandosupremo.com

G'day, you appear to be using http://www.comandosupremo.com extensively across a range of articles relating to the Italian Army in WWII. Could you please establish the reliability of that website as a source before using it any further? I am very concerned that it is currently unavailable, and that it has been used so widely, in almost every case to establish the high quality of Italian units. Some of the material seems to reflect Radio Berlin and Radi Rome transmissions during the war, which would obviously be completely unacceptable as a reliable source. Regards, Peacemaker67 (send... over) 05:34, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

No I haven't been using material from that website. I have been using books written by British, Australian and American authors. Who has made that claim? And where is the proof?--100menonmars (talk) 06:23, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

My mistake, I saw that you had removed sourced information, and the diff showed the use of the website, but it is clear the citation was already there. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (send... over) 06:34, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Second Battle of El Alamein

100menonmars, I have noticed that you have made a number of additions to Second Battle of El Alamein recently. Your changes to add more information on Italian units is commendable, but can I draw you attention to Misplaced Pages:CITEVAR? Your additional citations do not follow the existing citation style. Hamish59 (talk) 11:43, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks I'll study and learn the styles and start fixing it all up when I'm free from work this weekend. Greatly appreciated.--100menonmars (talk) 03:46, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

No worries. Hamish59 (talk) 09:27, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Operation Brevity

Hi, while i do not doubt you are correct. The source in use, as far as i am aware and i grant it has been a while since i read it, does not support the minor edit you made. As the article is at FA standard, I would like to ask that you provide a source to support your addition before you reinsert it. That way, we can keep the standard of the article up and improve its information quality and list of sources. Regards EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 23:42, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

As i still have access to the article in question, i have just re-viewed it. It pretty much states just what the article does, but does not specify that the detachment were anti-tank gunners. Again, this is a great piece of detail to add ... if we have a source for it.EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 23:48, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

I disagree. I think we should come to a fair settlement regarding this matter. It is clear that not all the Bersaglieri were killed, unless you believe otherwise or want to water down this German praise and make it look like cheap German propaganda? I plan to reinsert the bit about the praise really going to the anti-tank gunners. Maybe you can add a reference request about the praise going to the anti-tank gunners. --100menonmars (talk) 23:55, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

Reinserting unsourced material into an FA standard article will be reverted. The article is at FA standard because it has met the criteria for sourcing and referencing. Adding unsourced material will water down the article quality. I suggest you take your concern to the article's talkpage, and once agreement has been reached there - with sources - then adding it to the article.

A few points: One editor removed the sentence, at one point, because he highlighted it was German propaganda. His words: "the quote is from Radio Berlin 1941 - Goebbles mouthpiece - not a reliable source". At some point in time, maybe i did i do not remember, it was reinserted into the article because literally what is in the article was published by the New York Times: a reliable source. That source does not mention anti-tank gunners, it does not elaborate on how many died etc it says exactly what it says in the article. So, how do you know that the Italian detachment, at the pass, were anti-tank gunners? If that question cannot be answered with a source, then the next question would be: does it really matter (they are, after all, from the same unit that the praise is being give too)?EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 00:30, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

Okay I can live with it, especially since you now tell me someone tried to have this special German praise removed. I will though elaborate on what von Herff had to say about Montemurro and his men, and eventually, God permitting, reveal in more detail the role of the anti-tank gunners under Montemurro.--100menonmars (talk) 01:11, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

Based off your recent edit to the Battleaxe article, I have a suspicion that the German praise maybe for Italian action during that op rather than Brevity. I will redownload the article later and look for dates etc to make sure we have it in the right article.EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 17:04, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

I have updated the role of the Italians during Operation Brevity. An Italian government website to do with the Medaglia d'Oro awarded to military personnel under Mussolini and later to communist partisans!, claims the 8th Bersaglieri Regiment were involved in the action on 15 May 1941. Also authors Jack Greene, ‎Alessandro Massignani, and Robert Lyman claim in their books that the Bersaglieri under Montemurro fought at Halfaya Pass and disabled several tanks, and that Montemurro was awarded a German medal. Thanks for your input. I appreciate your attention to detail. .--100menonmars (talk) 01:09, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the additions to the article. I am going to incorporate some of the text you have added, so its not hidden away in the citation, as it complements the article quite well. In addition, i have just checked the Times article: it confirms the action, Herff is complementing too place on the 15th, so Brevity.EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 02:25, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

February 2015

Please do not add or change content, as you did to Operation Compass, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Misplaced Pages:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. (Hohum ) 17:38, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

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