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Özgürlük ve Dayanisma Partisi

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BetacommandBot (talk) 00:48, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

I fixed this. "BetacommandBot" is perhaps the biggest pain in the ass on wikipedia, and that's saying something. T L Miles (talk) 04:17, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Repeated removal of libertarian socialism has had no reasonable justification whatsoever

There's two editors removing it: User:Darkstar1st repeatedly (who's on a Misplaced Pages-wide cleansing of any mention of libsoc upon deciding it's some kind of international hoax) and User:Toddy1, whose edit summary reads: "I see nothing in the 20 page document that explicitly supports the claim that the ideology is Libertarian Socialism (liberter sosyalizm), so remove unverifiable claim"

Please see the actual reference given: Gunter, Michael M. (2010). Historical Dictionary of the Kurds (2nd ed. ed.). Lanham: Rowman & Littlefield Pub. Group. p. 247. ISBN 0810875071.

I quote directly: "The ODP, or Freedom and Solidarity Party, is a Turkish socialist libertarian party founded in 1996" fi (talk) 23:56, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

the source given for the ideology is in Turkish, no translation provided. . Darkstar1st (talk) 01:46, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Google translate. Look why are you removing references for socialist libertarianism from countless articles? Thats POV pushing, please read WP:NPOV. --Mrjulesd (talk) 01:56, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

I did google translate it and the term libertarian socialist does not appear in the link next to ideology.Darkstar1st (talk) 02:30, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Excuse me, did you miss the part where I explained, again, that the source is written in American English by a respected professor from Tennessee? What on god's earth you even talking about? Look at the citation I added after your second or third removal of libsoc. That would be the citation above. The one in English. fi (talk) 02:35, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

I don't even... not that it matters, but the book is in English. You can look it up on Google book search, for example. That's an English quote, from an English book, by an American academic. Did you even look at the source? fi (talk) 02:03, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

the source I tagged was in ideology and that is not the source given there. Darkstar1st (talk) 02:34, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Please do us the courtesy of reading the article you are editing before editing it further. fi (talk) 02:36, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

The source given for ideology was Özgürlük Ve Dayanişma Partisi, Tüzüğü. I see nothing in this 20 page document that explicitly supports the claim that the ideology is Libertarian Socialism (liberter sosyalizm). If you think there is, please quote a sentence from it that does support it - please quote in the original language, so we can verify that the sentence is present, and provide a translation of the sentence you are quoting.

If you think the source is the wrong source, then please edit the article, to provide the right source.-- Toddy1 (talk) 03:11, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

It's already in the article. I assumed there was some other reason for referencing the libsoc-flavored manifesto and left it up to the concerned editors, but the point is that it's completely superfluous because the affinity has already been sourced, if anyone had bothered to look. fi (talk) 03:15, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Look it says"Özgürlük ve Dayanışma Partisi, özgürlükçü, özyönetimci, enternasyonalist, demokratik planlamacı". Now look at https://tr.wikipedia.org/Liberter_sosyalizm it describes libertarian socialism as "Liberter sosyalizm veya özgürlükçü sosyalizm", Liberter and özgürlükçü are words for libertarianism. Özyönetimc means self-government. --Mrjulesd (talk) 03:29, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Since User:Finx said that the source for it being libertarian-socialist is page p247 of Gunter's Historical Dictionary of the Kurds, I have changed the citation for the libertarian-socialist to that. My edit summary makes it clear that though I have not checked that source, User:Finx says he/she has.-- Toddy1 (talk) 03:50, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

User:Mrjulesd's quotation "Özgürlük ve Dayanışma Partisi, özgürlükçü, özyönetimci, enternasyonalist, demokratik planlamacı", translates as "Freedom and Solidarity Party, liberal , self-governing, internationalist, democratic planners". I do not see how that directly and explicitly supports the claim that the party is libertarian-socialist. WP:STICKTOSOURCE suggests that Misplaced Pages articles have citations that directly and explicitly support statements in articles.-- Toddy1 (talk) 03:50, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

You don't see how a socialist party identifying as libertarian... makes that party libertarian socialist? I find that rather incredible, but I guess it's beside the point now, so I may as well drop it. fi (talk) 03:55, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

What you are doing is called original research. That is against Misplaced Pages policy.-- Toddy1 (talk) 04:01, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

It's... original research... to assume that self-described socialists and libertarians... subscribe to libertarianism. Okay then. fi (talk) 04:04, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Quotations from non-English source

WP:NONENG says "As with sources in English, if a dispute arises involving a citation to a non-English source, editors may request that a quotation of relevant portions of the original source be provided, either in text, in a footnote, or on the article talk page." User:Mrjulesd has cited Özgürlük Ve Dayanişma Partisi, Tüzüğü as the source for the various quotations in Freedom and Solidarity Party#Ideology and affiliation. Please could you provide the original Turkish for each of those quotations.-- Toddy1 (talk) 04:01, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

So you can't translate text? Sigh ok, but you will actually believe me?

Bu evrensel ve tarihsel özlemin taşıyıcısı olan Özgürlük ve Dayanışma Partisi;

yeniden üreten eşit, özgür, sömürüsüz ve sınıfsız bir dünya arayışı insanlığın özlemidir.

doğrultusunda, sermaye güçlerinin egemenliğini, emperyalizmin tahakkümünü ortadan kaldırarak,

emek güçlerinin siyasi iktidarının kurulmasını amaçlar.

kapitalizmin ve onun insanlığa dayattığı bütün baskı, sömürü, şiddet ve eşitsizlik biçimlerinin ortadan kalkmasını savunur. Özgürlük ve Dayanışma Partisi, özgürlükçü, özyönetimci, enternasyonalist, demokratik planlamacı, doğa

--Mrjulesd (talk) 04:22, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

i used google to translate and still no mention of libertarian socialism. do you have a better translation? Freedom and Solidarity Party, who are carriers of this universal and historical aspirations reproduce equality, freedom , humanity's quest for a world without exploitation and classless aspirations. In line, the domination of capital strength, eliminating the domination of imperialism, It aims to establish the political power of the labor force. all the pressure of capitalism and impose his humanity, exploitation, violence and advocates the elimination of inequality format. Freedom and Solidarity Party, liberal, özyönetimc, the internationalist, democratic planners, nature Darkstar1st (talk) 06:15, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

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