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Piece about the Jungle

Hi, Cptnono! Thanks for beginning this article. I'm going to revise it, with the input of other stewards and with links to organizational websites. I'll remove the Beacon Alliance of Neighbors link, as the site is no longer active (using Facebook now, Friends of the Jungle), plus do a general update on the material. The Nicole Brodeur piece will be removed, though, as it really isn't about the Jungle, plus she wasn't engaged in the area in the 12 years since the Jungle Project (City of Seattle's caps) began. CraigAThompson (talk) 19:52, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

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Help

I don't mind, indeed I relish the stimulus, of hard challenges in editing from whomever. But that skunk page is getting farcical. Would you do me the courtesy of looking at edits like this. It is wrong on all technical grounds, invites edit-warring, and is not healthy for the encyclopedia, regardless of POV merits. Of course, a request is not under an obligation, but while I almost never agree with you, your editing is rigorously based on a respect for wiki protocols, and there lies my trust that you can examine that page fairly. Nishidani (talk) 19:44, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

@Nishidani: The level of tagging and adding language that dismisses a source is not good for the article. I think the article could easily be fixed in a way that will satisfy both you and the other editor. I'm not convinced that Who Profits is RS from looking at their about us page. Ma'an has been problematic in the past but looks to be growing into the real deal. I would be surprised if those sources couldn't be replaced with pieces from less biased organizations. I think that other easy ways to reduce the appearance of "propaganda" include:

• Beefing up the lead and product sections with general information
• Trimming the history section of individual incidents. The primary concern is the notion of collective punishment. There is a strong argument that the problem exists and a simple paragraph should be sufficient.

I also do believe the other editor is treading on shaky ground. It is obvious a lack of experience but it is still not acceptable. Is there an admin that can explain possible sanctions while still being diplomatic and understanding of how green the editor is?Cptnono (talk) 22:31, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. I think my record will show I have steered away from Ma'an, until relatively recently. Reading it now regularly, I find it toned down, fairly focused on names, facts and incidents and quite reliable for them. It also frequently cites the Hebrew Press coverage which is only otherwise available to me in Mondoweiss, Tikun olam, and other websites not deemed generally acceptable. Since NPOV requires both sides, and there is little out there that records things reliably from a Palestinian perspective, I think it qualifies by now.

As to Who Profits, it is a joint Israeli-Palestinian activist research group. We in practice allow a good deal of citation to the IDF, its allied research centres or groups like Israeli Intelligence & Heritage Commemoration Center or the Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center (2014 Israel–Gaza conflict) etc.etc., but label any research group like this 'activist' and not-usable. I am a contextualist. I read a document thoroughly to see if it is useful, careful, footnoted, regardless of some formal mechanical idea of what is, or is not, RS. The three papers I have read from WPO are all thoroughly sourced and internally verifiable. That does not make them free from accuracy - but our mainstream newspapers never footnote or source themselves. In this case, in the paper we used, we have an academic unhysterical presentation of documented analysis in a field lacking so far good sources. In these cases, one uses such sources, I would think, until better ones, preferably books with a good academic imprint can replace them.

I'm quite happy with your suggestions, which are sensible, and ready to work out a a solution on the talk page. It's hard enough doing these articles when editors don't understand the rules or lack experience. Don't want to drag you there, but if you could briefly outline these and/or other suggestions there, then I'd deeply appreciate it. Thanks Nishidani (talk) 20:08, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

As to admins, I think they're overworked, and only to be called on when necessity demands it. Ed Johnston obliged when Ashtul was having problems, and a note led to him reverting. I think it too early to bother admins with the other editor. These requests always tend to look like one is using admins to win a point, and are a last resort.Nishidani (talk) 20:13, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

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DYK nomination of 2014 Lamar Hunt U.S. Open Cup Final

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@Giants2008: Thanks!Cptnono (talk) 23:28, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Re Carmel

The two articles from Haaretz and the New York Times which I introduced there have really a lot of excellent material on the farming, commercial activities and industries at that settlement. I had that in mind when I read them, particularly the Haaretz article. I hardly have much time for Misplaced Pages, what time I have is devoured by pointless bickering that eats into productive additions. It was obvious to me in adding the excellent Haaretz article the other day that there was an hour or two of work needed to balance out the article with details on life, work and productivity. But, fuck it, I can't do anything. My real complaint with editors is that when a source like that is used partially, as I did, because of lack of time, they don't study it closely and add everything else in it that balances the perspective. I should do that of course, but every edit I do takes a long while, since I usually check several other sources as well before I do it.The material on the Israeli 'positive' side's there, and should be harvested. If you or anyone has time, they'd save my honour (lack of time these days) by filling it out.Nishidani (talk) 22:47, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Much like on the ground, it is fucked. "The only winning move is not to play" it feels like. I'm fortunate that I care more about my local sports team that working towards a good and then featured topic makes editing more enjoyable. I do agree with you that that 0404 publisher looks questionable.

Oh snap... TOUCHDOWN SEAHAWKS.Cptnono (talk) 23:03, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Lucky bastard! My first home was near a golf course, like my second, and I live in a country with none within 30 miles, and even there they charge like wounded bulls. I've just realized that editing Misplaced Pages was probably a life-choice diotated by the fact that Italy provides me with no golf links, and their soccer is boring. Cheers.Nishidani (talk) 23:33, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

If we could all just walk around in the the grass for a few hours every week than life would be better. It is a goddamn shame.Cptnono (talk) 05:06, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Pal (whoops, no pun in poor taste intended!), I don't walk around in the grass, I smoke it! I commend the sentiment. Nishidani (talk) 21:18, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

LOL.. took me a second. It will all work out as we get years of acclimation to this environment. Oddly enough, all I can think of from my most recent AE comment is "the jerk store called and they're running out of you" (or something like that). We need to find golf courses since it will make us happier (I can't smoke on the course because I can barely hit that bastard ball with 2 beers in me).Cptnono (talk) 07:29, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Yuta Watanabe GA

Hello. Thanks for accepting to review the Yuta Watanabe article. I will try to make the changes when I get the time. Temple of the Mousy (talk) 00:15, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

AE

I'll continue to offer my opinion at AE when I like and won't worry at all about you. If you think I should be topic-banned, then of course it's open to you to make a request about me. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 07:18, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

that isn't what I said. Read the fucking words on your screen.Cptnono (talk) 07:23, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Talkback

– PeeJay 01:39, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of 2014 Lamar Hunt U.S. Open Cup Final

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Seattle

Thanks for the invitation, I'd love to travel to America's soccer city, it seems such a cultured and interesting place (I may be basing that opinion on a certain television sitcom). By the way, The Cup can stay! '''tAD''' (talk) 19:05, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Haha, like you, I may have once or twice let alcohol get in the way of my edits. I'm at university and because of my regular habit of going home for the weekend, we often drink on Tuesdays, and I stumble into bars to see glimpses of Champions League matches and write about them when I get back. '''tAD''' (talk) 19:07, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Not sure if you follow the "other" football, but good luck for the Seahawks in the big game! I like their name, reminds me of how my father speaks in a quaint country way and calls seagulls "shitehawks" in reference to the obvious '''tAD''' (talk) 01:56, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

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SD

Hi. Responding to your prompt I looked at his edits over the lòast few days (admittedly I rarely sight SD, most of the pages he works are not on my watchlist)

• Buq'ata SD wants ‘currently’. Might be overegging the pud. I don't think the word is needed, as you say per WP:MOS. But it's a fair POV, a nudge perhaps that attentive readers don't need.
• Keffiyeh. Reasonable. I once got chased and threatened on a kibbutz for wearing one, only by one kibbutznik though. The community was a great, flexible and sensible one, save for him.
• that the Shebaa Farms is occupied is universally known
• Syrian ‘controlled’ is wrong, because it is Syrian territory, as the previous edit had it..’Israel-occupied’ , as a contrast to ‘controlled’, while true, is probably not the best solution since Shebaa farms is defined simply as a territory, and referred to by a link that explains its status, earlier in the page.
• reverted back to S.hoyland, ‘invaded’ is improper, ‘entered’ is correct. Jordan did not invade, nor did Lebanon, for instance. The former assumed defensive control of areas designated as Arab in the UN declaration. User contributions:Par Ah Dux, an editor with a profile that doesn’t exist confidence (reverts good editors or admins like SH and Malik Shabazz)
• correct, I think. A new editor reverted Sean.hoyland on POV tag. SD restored it.
• ‘reverts’ de jure to proclaimed for Israel’s annexation of the Golan Heights, which is correct.
• Putting ‘occupied’ can be justified. The Golan Heights law placing the area Israel conquered under Israeli administration does not contain the word ‘annexation’ and technically it is under ‘belligerent occupation’ (Yoram Dinstein The International Law of Belligerent Occupation Cambridge University Press, 2009 pp.19-20.
• ethnic cleansing is going on in Syria, correct.
• correct

We're always going to disagree on quite a few key things, but I don't mind that. What I find exasperating is failure to address coherently on a talk page a point of difference, which is what happened in the Ashtul case (thanks for helping there). I freely admit I have in the past had difficulties with quite a bit of SD's behavior when I reviewed some AE reports. We disagreed then, from memory, on quite a few things, and I don't know if he respects my opinion. Let's put it this way. If you see something that you think is worthy of a note from me on his page or some article talk page, I'd be happy to review it, as impartially as I can and drop a note on his page. Cheers.Nishidani (talk) 11:35, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

And, by the way, stick to the 'suds' and maintain the smoke-free life. I abuse both, but then, it's better to be cranky from a drop of ale than to cough, splutter and struggle with short-windedness, esp. when one tends to be, as I am, a noxiously long-winded cunt.Nishidani (talk) 11:38, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

I was fuckin tanked last night (still pulling 9th place in the wikicup before it gets hard). SD is sole purpose: Fuck Israel and highlight the occupation nonstop in a losing battle to give Syria credit. Really, Syria? At ;eat JJG and a couple other pro-Israeli guys had some goddamn tact in their POV. SD messed up the awesome falafel article.

Regardless, I need something to take the edge off from being angry here and in reality. I had dinner with a handful of old buddies the other night and all they talked about was their million dollar budgets and how many hallucinogens they did as kids. Life is funny that way. But SD is problematic for the project as a whole.Cptnono (talk) 04:05, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

DYK for 2014 Lamar Hunt U.S. Open Cup Final

On 31 January 2015, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article 2014 Lamar Hunt U.S. Open Cup Final, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Seattle Sounders FC's trip to the 2014 Lamar Hunt U.S. Open Cup Final was their fifth in six years? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/2014 Lamar Hunt U.S. Open Cup Final. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Free Gaza

By reverting my edit you've put the red back into the references section. Please refer to Misplaced Pages:Citing sources and adjust the dates according to Help:CS1 errors here. Regards Keith-264 (talk) 18:54, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

February 2015

Please remember to assume good faith when dealing with other editors, which you did not do on User talk:DragonflySixtyseven. Also, your behavior on Odin Brewing Company is not appropriate either. _→AzaToth 13:53, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

My behavior is fine. Cptnono (talk) 15:58, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

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Please look at Carmel, Har Hebron

There are two quotes there about the nearby Palestinian village that are hardly relevant and an image with Carmel 'in the background'. My edits are repeatedly reverted by from what I saw, you get some more respect around here.

Also, can you please comment in this discussion.

Thanks, Ashtul (talk) 08:48, 18 February 2015 (UTC)