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Topic ban

Will you please lift the topic ban? Thanks, Ashtul (talk) 10:59, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

@Ashtul: If you agree to keep a respectful distance from Nishidani, and preferably stick to articles rather than enforcement requests etc, yes I'll lift the topic ban. I'd also suggest you're very careful about sticking to the 1RR. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 11:43, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Sure thing. Ashtul (talk) 14:07, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Then we have a deal. I'll update the log. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 15:23, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Just saw this. Here Ashtul complains about @Nishidani: removing a communal settlement (note: it is a redirection to communal settlement (Israel) from an Israeli settlement on the West Bank. (As I´m sure you know: the international community consider the Israeli settlements on the West Bank as illegal, while it does not consider settlements in pre-1967 Israel as illegal.)

The first thing Ashtul then does (after his ban) is to add the same redir to communal settlement (Israel) to a lot of other Israeli settlement on the West Bank, here and here on Avnei Hefetz, same on Beit Hagai and Alon Shvut. What can I say; it seems to me that Ashtuls editing is very much, eh, "inspired" by Nishidani. That is: doing exactly the opposite of what Nishidani is doing. Huldra (talk) 22:39, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

I have invited them to a discussion here which they have failed to actively participate in and changed the lead in include "and the west bank". IMHO, I'm very accommodating and trying to find middle ground. Ashtul (talk) 17:46, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

I wasn't going to make an issue of this. For one, due to the poor content of the Community Settlement page, citing it as related to Israel, I made the wrong call. I examined the sources (the page was unsourced), rewrote that page, and adjusted my views to reflect what sources say. Alon Shvut is defined as such a community (though it didn't begin as one), and on this Ashtul was correct, as was User:Number57. This is how we do things.

However, Ashtul hasn't changed or learnt anything. Take two examples.

(1) massive revert of sourced information

That took more than an hour to write up, after reading through dozens of pages, and providing links to the academic works. With a simple press of the button, Ashtul cancelled eminently reliable sources commenting specifically on the topic. It's tantamount to vandalism.

(2) the same edit removed all the tags, on a page which had been drafted off the top of someone's head, and which still has large sections unsourced. There is no congruent justification for either the removal of high quality sources, nor the citation tags on the talk page.

(3). He is canvassing.

Editors are supposed to build pages, not pick round to defend a POV, using reverts, empty edit summaries based on WP:IDONTLIKEIT, and probing for tagteam allies (Cptono of course is not at fault here).Nishidani (talk) 11:30, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

First of all, Nishidani have followed me to Community settlement (Israel) page and to Barkan Industrial Park, not the other way around.

A problem was raised the definition doesn't mention the West Bank (though the article itself does) and I accommodated it by adding the text. Then a consensus was built pretty quickly over the exact phrasing.

As per my revert, I explained it in length. I started to edit out material that was connect explicitly to West-Bank-Settlements rather that Community-Settlements (in both israel and west bank) which are the topic of the article. Once I figured it is basically impossible since the sources were written mainly about the West Bank and the word Settlement serve in both meaning, but mainly the West Bank one, so I reverted it. At Barkan Industrial Park I mainly shifted around material regardless of whether I liked it or not.

It must be a joke that Nishidani blames me for ganging on him. I asked Cptnono to look at the page since he seems to get some respect from other editors and I wanted an opinion of someone else instead of going to war. On Skunk (weapon) after I have argued for weeks over it not being WP:NPOV, a third was cut by Cptnono with not a single sound from Nishidani. Ashtul (talk) 12:18, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

I never said you were following me. The gravamen of my point is that you still fail to grasp elementary rules on editing Misplaced Pages and (b) when you edit this area, you do so in a style that looks provocative of edit-warring, and, in edit-summaries and on the talk page, do not give reasons that have any bearing on policy.

I was away for some days. On returning I noted on opening the computer that I was pinged to visit this page, which I hadn't bookmarked. Noticing the controversies, I then checked to see what was going on. I never follow anyone. I follow issues raised as problematical on I/P pages, certainly. There is no excuse for Ashtul's removal: the three books I cited, and the page numbers I used, embrace specifically the issue of community settlements. Reading them, I was enlightened, and went to add the material to the relevant page. What Ashtul appears to be saying is that (a) West Bank settlements is the major class (A); community settlements are (B) a subclass of A. He thinks he can remove sources dealing with (A) in connection with (B) because the sources should deal only with (B). Frankly in logic that is absurd. This is not a content dispute. He removes content with edit summaries and arguments that fail to justify the removal in terms intelligible in terms of WP policies and practices. Essentially, on Jewish settlement articles, his apparent intention is to downcase, elide or remove as much as possible any textual reference to Palestinians affected by them.Nishidani (talk) 12:52, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

You prove my point of not understanding the difference between the two. A & B are different major classes that share some entities thus writing info in regard of class A as if it is general info for class B is wrong. Ashtul (talk) 13:33, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

I give up. If you can't understand the simplest theory of class and subclass, the latter being included in the former, it's pointless arguing with you. This is my last attempt: think of a Venn diagram, with two classes (A) and (B) intersecting. The shared space consists of an overlap between West Bank settlements and Community Settlements. You are arguing that, when academic works analyse the shared qualities of the intersective space (A ∩ B), you can rid them from the text if they deal mostly with A, even if the section quoted deals with B. That's fucking nonsense.Nishidani (talk) 13:51, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

not sure why we have the discussion here but regardless, what you said now isn't what you said earlier. Before you said B is included in A, now you say they partially overlap. The sources you introduced as general info about ALL members of group B talk about the members of group A some of which overlap with B and some don't. This is a logic (since we speak about classes) failure. Ashtul (talk) 14:02, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

(Make the sign of the cross, even if a pagan, take a deep breath and. . .) Listen, you cannot split hairs on RS. If any academic book discusses Community Settlements (Israel), you cannot erase that source from the article because elsewhere the book deals with West Bank settlements. It's like saying you cannot use a physics book to source the article on the quantum, because the physics treatise has 95% of its pages on other issues, despite the section on quantum theory. Tell me, where in Misplaced Pages policy on RS is that kind of deviousness justified? Please think before you come back on this. Either you can justify your elision in policy terms, or you can't. So give the policy for cancelling those references. Nishidani (talk) 14:20, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Are we even reading the same books? I can't copy paste from Google books but in Palestinian Labour Migration to Israel: Labour, Land and Occupation source for example, the pages you noted are super clearly explicitly about the West Bank. Hollow Land: Israel's Architecture of Occupation paragraph about Community settlement starts with "The settlements in the West Bank..." then next paragraph "Land annexed..." and throughout the pages you pointed at the two 'settlement' intertwine. I am sorry you spend an hour compiling this info but you decided to work with material that is relevant to only part of the article but presented it as if it is general info as you added 50% of the existing text. Part of it can probably be used in a section about the west bank but you added so much text in all parts it is impossible to simply do it like I had done at Barkan Industrial Park.

Ashtul (talk) 15:08, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

The file is meaningless and deceptive.

Exzcuse me, you are dodging the question. I'll repeat it. On what section of WP:RS did you base your decision to remove these academic sources dealing with the topic at hand? In anticipation. Please don't blow smoke my way. Be specific. This is a policy matter. Nishidani (talk) 17:39, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

At no point I even hinted it wasn't WP:RS. You keep on changing the arguements. My access to PC is limited on Shabbat, I apologize. 79.180.49.131 (talk) 19:23, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Okay. The page and topic is Community settlement Let's examine what you erased in one edit. This removed in one fell swoop, 4 academic sources introduced to a wiki page that was wholly unsourced piece of free composition, a situation that goes counter to the way the encyclopedia is built. Your edit restored the page's WP:OR status of blank sourcing. This is what you removed.

(1)*Aharon Kellerman, Society and Settlement: Jewish Land of Israel in the Twentieth Century, SUNY Press 2012 pp.94-102.

This refers to a specific section title: Community settlement, 8 pages on that topic.

(2)* Eyal Weizman, Hollow Land: Israel's Architecture of Occupation, Verso Books, 2012 pp.125-130

This refers to a specific section title: Community settlement and deals over 6 pages with that topic.

(3)* Elisha Efrat, The West Bank and Gaza Strip: A Geography of Occupation and Disengagement, Routledge 2006 pp.31,37-8, pp95-6.

This book passim, but over the several pages cited refers to the topic of the article Community settlement

(4)* Leila Farsakh, Palestinian Labour Migration to Israel: Labour, Land and Occupation, Routledge 2005 pp.48-51

This text has 4 pages on the Community settlement concept, specifying its origins in a State Plan, not mentioned by the preceding sources, promulgated in 1978.

Thus, all 4 texts bear directly on the subject of the article. All 4 texts are by area specialist scholars. All four texts are issued by highly reputed publishing houses.

No experienced editor in Misplaced Pages goes about wiping out excellent sources, as you did here. That could only be done if there is a serious conflict between the use of those sources and some specific wiki policy.

This is one of many examples of why editing in your company is so futile. You don't observe the rules, you edit to render historical data you dislike for the negative impression you think it might convey and then harangue the talk pages when the principles of editing are raised.Nishidani (talk) 20:17, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Nishidani, let's continue this conversation on the relevant talk page. It really has nothing to do with HJ. I will have the time to write either later tonight or tomorrow.

HJ Mitchell, what I want to highlight is the fact is the fact admittedly(I noted on opening the computer that I was pinged), Nishidani saw HJ request for me to keep a respectful distance from Nishidani and his next instinct in blitzkrieg mode is to go to Barkan Industrial Park article (which he has never edited before), double up the content and well source negativity and eliminate again the sourced sentence At Barkan Industrial Park, thousands of Israelis and Palestinians coexist and work side by side in many of the factories. It was the 3rd time it was eliminated after Nomoskedasticity and Huldra have done it earlier.

Blaming me of WP:CANVASSing is ridicules as looking at history of Barkan Industrial Park you'll find Nomoskedasticity, Huldra, Zero0000 and Nishidani. None of them edited it before.

This enterprise works if one obeys the rules, based on an understanding of policy. An editor cannot just talk through or around the rules. Mitchell io an experienced admin, we use such ppages to avoid the nastiness of sanctions and admin oversight proceedings, and I prefer to use this space to thrash out outstanding misunderstandings with you, misunderstandings that lead to the kind of edit I have mentioned, which wipes out hard constructive work. I think I have a right to ask this here because I for one have never pressed for punitive actions against you, or challenged lenient dispositions when you've crossed the redline. You've come back and must show you understand the basic rules. Therefore I repeat, do me at least the courtesy to tell me on what policy grounds do you justify such violent erasures of highly quality academic material?Nishidani (talk) 19:52, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

HJM. I see Ashful is continuing this on the other page. I have asked your offices here to mediate, not on the content. Just as I asked Ed Johnston, I think, elsewhere, I'm asking for administrative assistance in getting some help to clarify what policy governs the mass removal of academic sources specific to an article's subject matter. Now, there may be some policy ground for the excision of RS of high quality, but I am unfamiliar with it, and Ashtul either doesn't have such a policy reason, or is convinced he can exercise an editorial decision about the utility of area specialist articles and books, and excise or retain according to vague personal opinions. If this is unclarified, then it is highly problem that a conflictual state in our editorial relationship over I/P articles will drag out in extenuating talk page debates and revert practices. I wish to avoid this, as I exercise a discretion in not wishing now or in the future that administrative sanctions be sought. I'd appreciate therefore a brief, non-partisan, comment on the issue of policy regarding RS excisions, if only so both of us can refer to an authoritative view on this. Sorry for the trouble. Nishidani (talk) 22:06, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

As I wrote before, I am not sure why an article specific debate will take place here. The new thread is here. In summery, the many issues mentioned in the different threads fall under Misplaced Pages:Content removal#Inaccurate information. Longer explanation here. Ashtul (talk) 22:34, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Your link on content removal starts with a principle.

When removing content from an article, whether it be a whole section or even just a single word, if the removal is likely to be opposed by one or more other editors, it is important to make sure there is clearly a consensus to remove the content. When in doubt, discuss prior to removal.

You made a unilateral erasure without consultation

(2)As to the rest, none of the sources removed fit any of the grounds for removal, since they are specialized academic texts directly bearing on the article topic. Got that? Nishidani (talk) 10:22, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Nishidani, you have made a WP:BOLD edit which is great and your sources are also WP:RS. The problem arises from the fact you confused WBS and CS and don't understand CS is a specific form of locality NOT a category. For this kind of edit there should be a principle called WP:MISINTERPRETED but I guess nobody ever thought there will be a need for that. I explained multiple times why you are wrong about many of the facts and now showed you the WP principle which allows for these deletions. My edit summaries clearly state the reason behind each and every change or removal.

And since you care so much about the rules, would you care to explain on what ground you deleted the statement At Barkan Industrial Park, thousands of Israelis and Palestinians coexist and work side by side in many of the factories beyond the obvious WP:IDONTLIKEIT? Where was the discussion there? Ashtul (talk) 10:41, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

I follow exactly what sources commenting specifically on Community Settlements write of those settlements. You are making off-the-top-of-the head judgements, which, see presently, affect what you want in the text, and wantr out.- There is no textual warrant for this. Your edit summaries falsify the sources.Nishidani (talk) 11:26, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

You keep on avoiding explaining your Barkan edit. Ashtul (talk) 12:39, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

You haven't answered any of my queries, but protest I ignore just one from you. I look at most I/P articles dealing with the West Bank when I note them being discussed on any page I have bookmarked. I haven't the time to rewrite them all. Most need extensive expansion and rewriting. I don't sit on one or two articles, revert, bicker and edit-war except when I am dragged into futile time-wasting arguments by people unfamiliar with policy. I read up on the articles, and expand them. At a workplace workers don't 'coexist'. The source says both Palestinians and Israelis work at Barkan. The technical literature explains the angles to this. (a)Palestinian industrial development is systematically blocked by Israel (see my expansion of the Rawabi article yesterday) (b)Israel's work market is basically denied to most Palestinians (c) to feed their families they take what jobs they can get, even in settlements (d) in settlements their work conditions differ from factory to factory, from slave wages to Israel's minimum wage. The UN reports that in such areas, numerous complaints have been made by hired Palestinians (e)Israel uses industrial plants in West Bank areas to produce industrial products with a high toxic output, which is dumped in the West Bank, frequently on village agricultural land, etc.etc. Nishidani (talk) 13:51, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

With all the rewrites the sources got mixed up a bit but this is from the Ynet source Fortunately, so far these boycotts have been nothing but PR maneuvers, and we are sure that Jews and Arabs will continue to work together and strengthen our prosperous industry and live in coexistence. All the opinions in the world won't change it. The conflict is complex, yes but it doesn't change the fact there is coexitance there. You hate that fact, fine but deleting it is the definition of POVPUSH.

On CS you confuse WBS and CS, or probably, the way the sources are written, the two intertwine. I gave you examples, reiterated this and you just don't seem to get it. I wrote to you before you are an excellent editor and it is easy to see you have tons of experience. I have a lot of respect for you and in a way but this ridicules thread make that respect diminish with each and every new reply of yours (not that you would care). Ashtul (talk) 14:24, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Which only shows that you cannot yet distinguish between an opinion and a statement of facts. You cited an opinion as a state of fact. Take Case 3 of Palestinian women sacked from the Royalife bedding factory in Barkan. They worked, until fired against Israeli court orders, a 10.5 hour day, often 7 days a week, for 6 shekels (average Israeli wage 20). There are numerous reports of such abuses, and you cherrypicked one source to get a lead statement that Palestinians and Israelis work harmoniously. That is trying to misrepresent one way a very complex reality. Coexistence to a native English speaker means hostile parties making arrangements to live side by side, which is not the nuance the source places on the term (prosperous conviviality). When I saw it, I laughed at its awkwardness. Your distinction between WBS and CS is yours: I have the statistical breakdown. Most WBS are CS. Nishidani (talk) 15:02, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Your edit now proves this. You open with a statement that work at Barkan for Palestinians is one of coexistence and prosperity with Israelis. Then you showcase this with the local head of the settler council's remark, which is an opinion that says anyone contradicting the opening statement is playing politics. And then we have the fact noted that numerous labour organizations say Palestinian labour is exploited. I.e., textual dissonance. One cannot write (1)things are great (2) cite an interested party's views as a fact, and then follow it with what I put in (3) a statement that labour conditions for Palestinians are reportedly not good according to Israeli union sources. That is cognitive dissonance, patching in POVs, without balancing them with facts from both perspectives.Nishidani (talk) 15:20, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

This is truly ridicules. In these high conflict area, of course you will have different opinions from both sides. You brought a lot of the Palestinian side and this merely brings it to WP:DUE status. “I can bring a million people who want to work here, boasted Ahmed Nasser”.

I hope this article will give you the tip of the ice for the coexistence. And no, I am not saying there isn't a conflict. Just a few days ago, Adele Biton from nearby Yakir passed away and I am sure you can give me a few names of Palestinians who were injured or killed. It doesn't mean it is all blood and fire. Obviously you don't have to answer but just out of curiousity, have you ever been here? Ashtul (talk) 16:01, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

One of the conditions of your return, if memory serves me correct, was that you would desist from following me around I/P articles. You have now decided to reverse that decision as is evident from this. Nishidani (talk) 18:11, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Simple answer. Ashtul (talk) 23:29, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

1RR violation

HJMitchell, you might be interested in this, 1RR report re Ashtul. Since it's already at a noticeboard, please consider this as nothing more than a courtesy notification, rather than a request that you do anything in particular. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 15:41, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

This is a childish low blow on an edit which I can assure even Nishidani (who actually have edited the page, not just checked it to eliminate an editor) will reject as a base to anything. I explained it on the noticeboard.

I also adjusted the clock on my wiki account to prevent future doubts like that as I am at GMT +2 and account was set to GMT 0. One can see the changes were made over 22 hours apart. Ashtul (talk) 18:05, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

I gather JHM is taking a wikibreak, and I hope we're not responsible. In any case I regret my remonstrances here and apologize. While I am convinced Ashtul has notable problems, I should have had more sense than to give him a cause for grievance by editing two pages (not edited but watched) where he returned to be active. I didn't have a restraint order on me against interaction, as he did with me, but in editing the pages he edited I made a hasty mistake at 'community settlement', since corrected, though I think fixing the abuse of sources at Barkan Industrial Park would have eventually been necessary, had no one else noticed it. In order to relieve HJM of the embarrassment, I think it fair to ask him to feel free, on return, to ignore us if things come to arbitration, and leave it to others.Nishidani (talk) 18:26, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Apology accepted.

Just in case you wonder about the second revert on Karmei Tzur (which were over 24 hrs apart), it is explained in my edit summery. deleted pic related to content eliminated by Nableezy.

It is time to leave me be and move on. Ashtul (talk) 19:06, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

• (talk page stalker) @Nomoskedasticity: After seeing Misplaced Pages:Arbitration_Committee/Discretionary_sanctions/Log/2015#Palestine-Israel_articles, might I recommend you move your AN3 report over to Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement? This user has been sanctioned twice in the past for violating WP:ARBPIA and AN3 doesn't seem like the best venue for the issue. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 19:12, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Are you familiar with TheRedPenOfDoom?!?!

Are you familiar with the user: TheRedPenOfDoom? Because if you are I will let you know that he/she is being very unreasonable! I have been editing Michiel Huisman's wiki page for quite some time now, and he has been consistently removing info that I add. Everything that I add is completely legit and is sourced. But he/she is still removing and altering stuff. Like for example removing the fact that Michiel was cast opposite Blake Lively in The Age of Adaline, because he/she said that fact that he was going to be co-starring opposite Blake Lively had and I quote "nothing to do with him being named for the role". He/she has been deleting at least around 5 full sentences or more in the last like 3 days from that page. I have worked hard with that page, and when he/she is deleting the FACTS that I add I get mad and uppset. I know you are a admin, im not asking you to necessarily ban him/her but at least make him/her stop.

Signpost mention of C&S Workshop

Hi Harry - my posting there was really more of a return to earlier practice, something I think we should be doing for transparency's sake and to let the parties have an idea of what we are going to propose so it doesn't come as a surprise to them. It's something we discussed and I hope we continue to do it. The remedies were (I hope obviously) those that at least some editors might see as supported by the evidence. Dougweller (talk) 18:18, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

That's interesting, Doug. I've seen a few cases where arbs have drafted principles and FoFs on the workshop, but I can't recall a case of an arb drafting remedies in the workshop. I agree with you, it's a good thing and something I'd like to see more of (that's why I explicitly mentioned it in the arb report). Btw, while I have you, would you be interested in giving a few thoughts for the Signpost? I'm running with NYB's interview next week, so you'd have a few weeks to write something. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:12, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the offer, but I think I'll pass. Maybe someday when I've got more experience. Dougweller (talk) 11:48, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Admin stats

Hi Harry. Admin stats are available here. You can select for any time period you wish to investigate. Best, -- Diannaa (talk) 19:12, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Diannaa. That's really helpful. Whisky drinker | HJ's sock 11:09, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Nostradamus talkpage troll again!

Dear HJ

Absolute chaos is once again being caused by anonymous trolls on the Nostradamus Talk Page (most of it consisting of gratuitous abuse against me (as 'Lemesurier', 'Lemonhead' etc. etc.) that has nothing to do with the article as the rules require. The main culprit now seems to be posting from 76.79.202.210. Could you investigate, please, and remove anyone doing this for a good long time?

Thanks --PL (talk) 09:40, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

I'm having computer problems. You'd be better off asking another admin until i can get it working again. Whisky drinker | HJ's sock 11:11, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Aethiopia

Not sure if you realised it, but that was Til Eulenspiegel. He often edits from 71.246.144.0/20, 71.127.128.0/21 and 71.127.132.0/22. Dougweller (talk) 11:48, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Yes you mentioned about three weeks ago. Has he been back since then? Whisky drinker | HJ's sock 11:07, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

TheGreenPenOfHope

Could you look in at User talk:GreenPeasAndPotatoes? It's the account that User:TheGreenPenOfHope made after I blocked that account. Having been blocked by me at the new account for block evasion, they're asking to be unblocked, and have somewhat grudgingly expressed regret for their choice of tactics and username. However, they keep circling back to a focus on TheRedPenOfDoom, apparently as an exemplar of what they feel is wrong with Misplaced Pages. I think they could safely be unblocked, since it would be simple to deal with them if they veer into personal attacks, but I'm not going to be available much in the coming week to check, and I'd appreciate your views. Acroterion (talk) 01:14, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

An editor you unbanned is now back at AN3

Please see WP:AN3#User:Ashtul reported by User:Nomoskedasticity (Result: ). The two articles mentioned are in the I/P area. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 19:07, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

EdJohnston, those edits are completely insignificant as I explained. For more controversial edits I have opened in the last few days and RfD, RfC or left content as is after conversation. Ashtul (talk) 19:33, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

• I've now moved the report to AE and closed the AN3 report. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 19:41, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Gamergate

Not sure if you're still patrolling around Gamergate, and I don't have a whole lot of time to set up an AE request so I'm just dropping a line about this . --Kyohyi (talk) 14:21, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

@Kyohyi: Do you have a problem with the “anonymous” poster (who clearly has a lot of knowledge of the topic and its history here, though only a handful of edits, and who might reasonably arouse suspicion of sock-puppetry or block evasion) or with @NorthBySouthBaranof:’s reversion? If so, he’s simply anticipating housecleaning I have every right to do myself, and I believe a recent trek to AE agreed that he’s well within his rights to do so. Or have I misunderstood? MarkBernstein (talk) 16:10, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

@MarkBernstein: Yes, you have misunderstood. NBSB's latest "trek" to AE only agreed that obvious BLP violations are covered by BANEX. "Anticipatory housecleaning" appears nowhere in either BANEX or the recent AE proceedings. -Starke Hathaway (talk) 16:44, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

@Starke hathaway and Kyohyi: if you feel this is deserving take it to WP:AE. HJ Mitchell is on wiki break so discussing other editors here is going to be unproductive. Personally I think if MarkBernstein has no problem with the removal and the IP user hasn't complained I see no need to further the dispute. — Strongjam (talk) 16:49, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

@Strongjam: I certainly never suggested taking anyone to AE. MarkBernstein asked if he was mistaken and I answered. -Starke Hathaway (talk) 17:22, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

This isn't a violation worth discussing and any sanction to NBSB does nothing that affects GG articles. --DHeyward (talk) 17:35, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

• I'm still having computer issues, which I hope will be resolved later today. NBSB needs to leave the topic alone. If he doesn't, he's likely to find himself in deeper trouble. I'm not sure there's much to be gained from blocking him for that edit.As DH says, it would have no effect on the mainspace. And as much as I wish somebody else had made that edit, we really don't want to encourage anonymous trolling. Whisky drinker | HJ's sock 10:16, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

@MarkBernstein: Sigh, I presume at this point I am not welcome at your talk page, and others seem to be clamoring for an explanation, so I'll have to speak my piece here.

I am not anyone's alt and am not logged out from an account. I have no account on Misplaced Pages, never have, and at this rate certainly never will. (Mr. Mitchell, please feel free to run Checkuser etc. You will find nothing, because there is nothing to find.)

I wrote what I did in that diff as a call-out of your behaviour in this matter, because I simply couldn't believe what I was reading. Having discovered that there was an actual AN action, I moved my commentary there. I am not "trolling"; I am legitimately disappointed.

I absolutely agree that you are within your rights to clean up your own talk page. However, if you feel you have every right to do the housecleaning yourself, and intended to do so, I genuinely don't understand why I've now had three separate people who are not you (but all of whom I recognize as tending to take your side in these discussions) remove it, while you did not do so yourself. 76.64.13.4 (talk) 20:22, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

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Clerks

Harry, please tell me we actually have clerks assigned to RfAs. Irondome (talk) 20:06, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) Don't think so. Mlpearc (open channel) 20:07, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Oh G d. Irondome (talk) 20:08, 27 February 2015 (UTC)