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A relevant discussion on the long-time thesis in historic sciences, which states that the Hungary's founding ] had right to Bosnia so that '''Bosnia's first legal/legitimate ruler ] and Hungarian prince ] were the same person''', can be found ]. Serbo-Croat nationalists keep fighting the thesis for centuries now because it denies them any rights over Bosnia. They are trying to project the same view here on Misplaced Pages too, attempting to censor even the mentioning of the thesis. Thanks. ] (]) 15:00, 28 February 2015 (UTC) A relevant discussion on the long-time thesis in historic sciences, which states that the Hungary's founding ] had right to Bosnia so that '''Bosnia's first legal/legitimate ruler ] and Hungarian prince ] were the same person''', can be found ]. Serbo-Croat nationalists keep fighting the thesis for centuries now because it denies them any rights over Bosnia. They are trying to project the same view here on Misplaced Pages too, attempting to censor even the mentioning of the thesis. Thanks. ] (]) 15:00, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

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Area

BiH has area of 51 129 km2 http://hr.wikipedia.org/Bosna_i_Hercegovina . What is the source for this area?

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How make Reference 1 (footnote 1), Article IV? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Geojr1955 (talk • contribs) 03:28, 2 January 2015 (UTC)"> ">

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How make Reference 1 (footnote 1), Article IV?Geojr1955 (talk) 03:33, 2 January 2015 (UTC)George Wisser Jr 20150101_2"> _2">

Protected edit request on 25 February 2015

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You protected the page Bosnia and Herzegovina as edits were being made, thus resulting in a reference missing in the Infobox. The red warning message on top of a level-4 (nation) article looks very bad. Not to mention that you now froze a non-sourced claim by someone that Bosniaks (presumably mostly Muslim) make majority in Bosnia and Herzegovina, which I was trying to revert which may look like violation of 3R rule but only because no one is watching the page but me and I don't have admin privileges to block IP and other vandals... Sevvyan (talk) 23:51, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing the missing reference warning, but... What you have done now is fixing the reference warning while allowing a potentially disastrous edit for at least a week. The reference is to a gossip website www.doznajemo.com (Bosnian for: This Just In), on their allegedly exclusive access to new census data in Bosnia. The data are sealed by the government and international peace implementation council because it's the first census since before the bloodshed of 1990s. Their "exclusive" information would have the extremely sensitive balance of ethnic groups heavily disturbed. Please remove that edit/provocation immediately and revert to the CIA World Factbook reference, or unlock the article. Sevvyan (talk) 01:31, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Question: Where is this reference? Can you quote the passage in which it appears? Anon126 (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 08:20, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
Luckily, it was reverted in the meantime back to the CIA ref. Thanks. Sevvyan (talk) 13:39, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

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Thanks for fixing the missing reference warning, but... What you have done is fixing the reference warning while allowing a potentially disastrous edit for at least a week. The reference is to a gossip website www.doznajemo.com (Bosnian for: This Just In), on their allegedly exclusive access to new census data in Bosnia. The data are sealed by the government and international peace implementation council because it's the first census since before the bloodshed of 1990s. Their "exclusive" information would have the extremely sensitive balance of ethnic groups heavily disturbed. Please remove that edit/provocation immediately and revert to the CIA World Factbook reference, or unlock the article.

Note: Same as two sections before. Anon126 (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 08:21, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
Luckily, it was reverted in the meantime back to the CIA ref. Thanks. Sevvyan (talk) 13:40, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

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  1. The language of BH is not "a". It is Serbo-Croatian; you can report it as Bosnian, as two languages (Bosnian and Serbian) or other variants. But it certainly isn't defined by a lowercased A.
  2. The "Usurped" box doesn't make any sense. Part of it is correct, but the information belongs to the history section, part of it is senseless: the Dayton accords did most definitely not give Bosnia-

Herzegovina to the Holy See. A protected page should serve to limit vandalism, not to preserve it.

  • Comment: The article is about Bosnia and Herzegovina as arranged in Dayton and Paris; note there is no such thing as "Serbo-Croatian" in the Dayton Accords/General Framework, there are Bosnian, Croatian and Serbian as languages of the GF and therefore of the constitution as an integral part (Annex 4) of the GF. See the CIA World Factbook on Bosnia and Herzegovina, you'll see that the BSC are official languages of BH. "a" was the name of the footnote which was mistakenly left alone. BH is under the Holy See sovereignty, hence it has only Roman Catholic overlords called High Representatives. This is "simply so", as codified in numerous components of the international legal order, but not necessarily in documents under the current framework aka the International Law of the UN. It's largely unspoken ("the law of the strong" arranging relations between great (UN-veto) powers that are above the UN framework because they de facto created and guarantee the UN its existence/authority by their free/good will; not to be confused for "the law of the stronger" as in slang). Sevvyan (talk) 22:32, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
I really think you need to elaborate the statement "BH is under the Holy See sovereignty, hence it has only Roman Catholic overlords called High Representatives."; it does sound highly contentious. It is also not to wikipedia standards to leave:
  1. A box for notes. If these are notes, they should be formatted as such
  2. Statements that are highly controversial like that BH was transferred to the House of Savoy (which, to my knowledge, only ruled part of today's Croatia), the House of Windsor and the Holy See, completely unsourced.
  3. The Holy See, albeit light years away from even resembling a democracy, is certainly not a monarchy anyway. Leaving it in such a box makes no sense.

complainer (talk) 11:49, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

It may sound as, or even be contentious within the International Law of the UN standards as well as from humanitarianism viewpoint, however it's entirely acceptable outside that framework, i.e. to the great powers (UN's veto-members) who are above the UN. Misplaced Pages is not limited by political boundaries, or at least I couldn't find any such rule. Not sure what you mean by formatting notes box? Greater Croatia (today's Croatia and Bosnia) was under the sovereignty of a king from the House of Savoy during WW2. According to the source itself: "Vatican City State is governed as an absolute monarchy". Thanks. Sevvyan (talk) 13:36, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
I have no idea what this stuff about the Holy See is about. Yes, the High Representative is a powerful institution (although those powers have not been extensively utilised in recent years), but what that has to do with the Holy See is lost on me. Cordless Larry (talk) 14:35, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
To call it simply "powers" is an understatement; he's an absolutist viceroy in the true meaning. While he may or may not exercise them in a given era (same as, say, Queen Elizabeth II though not an absolutist), his absolute powers are constitutional, and can't be taken away except by his monarch. Sevvyan (talk) 15:38, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
Have a read of WP:VERIFY and when you've found some reliable sources for that, come back with a suggestion for what you want to add to the article. Cordless Larry (talk) 15:46, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

As I said, that goes for unspoken right of the strong (UN-veto powers), as codified in various documents of international legal order outside International Law of UN. Thanks. Sevvyan (talk) 18:00, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Explanation of "Status" in Infobox?

The "Status" attribute in the Infobox is indicated as "Cultural hegemony", with no source indicated. Is that in keeping with NPOV? There appear to be no other country Infoboxes containing this label.

Also, is the "Status" attribute itself defined somewhere in the documentation for the Infobox country template? Is it used in other country articles also? Bistropha (talk) 07:26, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Serbo-Croat nationalists' orchestrated attack on a contributed reference and a historical thesis

A relevant discussion on the long-time thesis in historic sciences, which states that the Hungary's founding House of Árpád had right to Bosnia so that Bosnia's first legal/legitimate ruler Ban Borić and Hungarian prince Boris Kalamanos were the same person, can be found here. Serbo-Croat nationalists keep fighting the thesis for centuries now because it denies them any rights over Bosnia. They are trying to project the same view here on Misplaced Pages too, attempting to censor even the mentioning of the thesis. Thanks. Sevvyan (talk) 15:00, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Auto-undo of edits by (self-declared) ethnic Serbs/Croats/Bosniaks/Serbo-Croats

WARNING: any edit of this article, made by (self-declared) Serbs/Croats/Bosniaks/Serbo-Croats will be automatically undone. See this discussion. Sevvyan (talk) 18:18, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

  1. Cite error: The named reference http://doznajemo.com/2013/10/30/httpwp-mep3cnyx-jbk-2/Bosnian was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
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