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User:Sam Spade

Dear ShervinK!

In fact this map shows the areas that kurdish language by its various dialects is spoken; During the centuries many kurdish tribes have been exiled or forced to migrate to difference parts of middle east. But actually Kurdistan is only the bigger part which is in south-east Turkey, northern Iraq, east and north-west Iran and north-east Syria; and not the former Soviet, northern Khorasan... although there surely do live many kurds so that in northern khorasan "Ghouchan" is a kurdish speaking city. I have many kurdish friends in those small areas out of The Great Kurdistan. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mezopotamia (talk • contribs) 17:58, 1 October 2005.

Signing

Greetings! Just noticed your efforts to keep Mohammad_Reza_Pahlavi NPOV, well done. A reminder to sign all your talk page comments, like the warning to User:219.93.174.105. Keep up the good work!--inks 07:30, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Also, don't forget to use edit summaries, even when you're in a hurry. :) --inks 00:42, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Mohammad Reza Pahlavi

Hi Shervin! I asked some Admins to help us stop vandalism, I look forward to get rid out of 219.93.174.105 soon! --Sina 14:15, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Mohammed Mossadegh

Greetings, Shervink. Thanks for writing. The statement that the takeover was "legally legitimate" is a legal opinion that is certainly disputed by many parties. The U.S. National Security council, for instance, referred to the takeover as a "coup" back in 1952.. Nearly every reputable book on the subject refers to the event using this term (although a few, as you know, dispute the charicterization), and nearly every reputable newspaper uses the term "coup" to describe the event. Certainly one could make a case that the takeover was "legally legitimate", but one could also make the case that the takeover was "illegal and immoral", and neither interpretation should be stated as fact in Misplaced Pages. Our neutral point of view policy says that when there is significant controversy over a statement, that statement should not be stated as fact; instead the article should say who believes the statement and who disputes it. So it would be better to have a section called "the legality of the coup" or somesuch that list which researchers believe the takeover was illegal, and which believe it was legal, and the reasons given for each. Regards, – Quadell 20:52, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Mohammad Reza Pahlavi

Hi Shervink. I suggest that, since our views have been pretty much covered at the talk page, we communicate directly through each others user talk pages instead so as not the clutter the Mohammad Reza Pahlavi talk page any futher. Do you agree ? ---- Melca 00:49, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

CONGRATULATIONS!

With much satisfaction have i read your contributions to the Mohammad Reza PAHLAVI article! I am impressed with the way you handle the onslaught of brainwashed populistic media victims who simply quote some publications, unreflectedly and without own comprehension, trying to keep information on this platform "mainstream" instead of factual! Thank you for fighting errate falsification attempts by young, overzealous ignorami or, halfwitts opposed to the pahlavi regime, who (metaphorically foaming from the mouth) attempt to contort history, to suit their fancy.Pantherarosa 01:10, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

• • • • • • Hi Shervink, in response to your kind message: I don't have harsh words, as a matter of fact, for critics of the PAHLAVI regime per se (I have a considerable amount of criticism myself visavis the latter). All I refer to is THOSE CRITICS who post POV here , guided by hatred or other unhelpful sentiments, as that is not what WIKIPEDIA strives to offer the public that looks here for encyclopedic entries. Pantherarosa 01:31, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

با درود و عرض خسته‌ نباشید. خواستم خدمت شما برسانم که‌ با گذاشتن چند واژه‌ سام ویا موست نمیتوان جلو تجزیه‌ کردستان را گرفت. در کردستان هم ملیگرا وجود دارد هم تجزیه طلب. تنها تجزیه‌ طلبها برای خود هویت آرایی و اصیل تعین میکنند و حتی خون فارسها را کثیف و غیر آریایی مینامند و. خود را وارثین برحق و مظلوم امپراطوری ماد مینامند. لطفا این قدر سر این واژه وقت خودتان را ضایع نکنید.

با تشکر از مشارکتهای شما در ویکیپدیا. با سپاس. پاینده ‌باشید. Diyako Talk + 18:33, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Heja Helweda, Diyako, Aucaman

These three users are on some sort of anti-Iranian crusade vandalizing all the Iranian and Persian related articles. We need to keep an eye on their " edit activities" as their intentions is not sincere but merely for the purpose of propagating false information.

Ibn sina

Someone in the Ibn Sina page is deleting the word Persian everyday and I have to put it back on. I gave him three sources that Ibn Sina was identified as Iranian or Persian (including Britannica) and he still edits it. Is there anyway I can stop him? In my opinion he is breaking the rules since I have sources and he does not. I would appreciate your help.

He is also saying that Uzbekistan and Afghanistan were not parts of Persia at the time of his birth but instead parts of the Islamic Caliphate

Is this true? Of course this does not make Ibn Sina any less Persian/Iranian but I just wanted to make sure.

Thanks

Gol 17:41, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Thank you Shervink

Gol 07:37, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Persians

The user Aucaman has been vandalizing Persian people, as well as several other Iran-related articles, claiming that "modern Persians are mix of Arabs and Mongols" editing the article, or adding a dispute tag, based on his own personal assumptions and conclusions without any valid source to support such outrageous revisionist theory. If you have an opinion on this topic, please join the Talk:Persian_people, so we can reach a consensus for the removal of the "dispute tag".

Iranian Watchdog

Aucaman and a few others like Heja Helweda and Diyako have been repeatedly and systematically vandalizing the Iran-related topics such as Persian people and Iranian peoples, propagating false information, maliciously editing/disputing/deleting without one shred of proof to backup their wild claims, applying the strawman falsification approach, trying to establish new 'facts" based on their own personal assumptions and beliefs.

In order to prevent this situation, we need to create an Iranian Watchdog on Misplaced Pages and guard the integrity and quality of all the Misplaced Pages articles that are related to Iran and Iranians. Please let me know if you think that's a good idea. --ManiF 13:06, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. I'm kind new here, but if you could get an expert wikipedian to creat the Iranian Watchdog, I can request Iranian.com to introduce the group plus a few of the problematic articles that are routinely vandilized by certain individuals of certain backgrounds, so that more Iranian intellectuals would join Misplaced Pages to help protect the integrity and quality of all the Misplaced Pages articles that are related to Iran and Iranians.. --ManiF 18:41, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

My edits on Iranian peoples page

I'm actually the guy who wrote most of the article so I was not vandalizing it. Once spoken was in reference to a much wider area where Iranian languages were spoken including by Sarmatians in Europe and various Iranian peoples found in Xinjiang. These groups have been reduced in the northern areas and so Iranian languages are now found in the southern regions. What exactly is the problem with the edits I made? They correspond to the usage found in Germanic peoples and Slavic peoples and in most reference books. Tombseye 20:55, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

I reworded it so that there is no confusion as to its usage. I think adding a cultural section is a good idea as some common cultural traits such as Nooroz would help the article. Like I said, the Germanic and Slavic pages are good examples and this article would be greatly helped by adding other sections found in those pages. Tombseye 21:06, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Actually the usage is the same in the academic sense. At most universities, Iranian peoples are grouped through language and this usage is applied in various departments. The 3 are similar in that the various Iranian peoples vary as much as the Slavic and Germanic peoples do since they can be found in a wide area and often have contrasting cultural traits etc. thus an Italian Bavarian from Tyrol won't be identitical to someone from Iceland. I'm only applying what can be found in various reference books. Encyclopedia Americana notes that Kurds are an Iranian people, but distinctly not Persian for example. The reference section found at the bottom of the page are mostly my additions as well and I think they explain the usage with an emphasis upon language which is clear. Tombseye 21:17, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

I agree! Do you have any idea for protecting these pages? I will think about it.--Sina 21:13, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Hopefully, we won't have to protect the page as we simply discuss things rationally and come to some neutral stance. Tombseye 21:17, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm actually not trying to help anyone so much as help the article. I mostly wrote the article with Khoikhoi helping with the editing as well. It was written to explain the usage of Iranian and the analogies helped the article because otherwise there were people who kept thinking Iranian simply meant Iran or Persians and wanted the article gone since it seemed to claim, from their perspective, that Kurds, Pashtuns etc. were all Persians which is not the case. I wrote the article so that the analogies with Germanic people and Slavic people (and Romance people for that matter) would explain the usage of the term that encompasses many different attributes. I wouldn't have written the article at all if I was trying to ignore the concept of the Iranian peoples. In addition, I added the genetic section that shows more links between the Iranian peoples as well. Hopefully, this clear things up a bit. Tombseye 21:24, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Watchdog

It's a good idea, but I wouldnt know what exactly could we do. We have no Iranian admin, funny as it sounds, to protect our pages from such vandalisms. (we had some admins, but they have long gone and dont edit anymore).--Zereshk 23:46, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi guys, I need your help for the article Babylon, Al Khwarizmi, Bebe_stores, God, knight, parthia, angel, satan, devil, cavalry, Iran, Persia, Persian People, Magi, demon, Al Biruni, Avicenna, monotheism, Sinbad the Sailor, One thousand and one nights, Summum bonum, and other , since many people are actively trying to misrepresent Iran. I have tried very hard to enhance the reader’s knowledge, as well as, to correct any undermining, or misrepresentation about Iran. I have written many essays clarifying Persia and Parthia are names erroneously used for ancient Iran, since it is shocking to see some represent Parthia as a country in SW Asia, and say that they were foreign ruler of Persia, while stating the second dynasty to Persia were the Sassanids. I have also tried to correct many mistakes, and even blatant attempts of some trying to represent Persian scientists as Arabs. Finally, armed with information from Jewishencyclopedia.com, and Christian Encyclopedias like Ccel.org/php/wwec.php, and Bible-history.com/isbe/Z/ZOROASTRIANISM, that state angelology, demonology, apocalyptical, and eschatological ideas first came from the Persian Empire who influenced the Jews, then later the Judeo-Christian units. These encyclopedias even admit the idea of monotheism being introduced to humanity by Zoroaster is still in debate--yet no one seems to even be willing to admit to such important discoveries, sometimes due to bigotry.

However, one person alone cannot do this--others must help, to show a consensus, and to avoid violating the 3rr rules. If you agree with any of the changes below, put that article in question on your watch list, and simply copy and paste the texts I edited in the article; of course many try to revert it, so go to the discussion board and submit refrences.

1. http://en.wikipedia.org/Bebe_stores

bebe stores is an American clothing retailer founded in 1976 by the Iranian born Manny Mashouf--who immigrated to the United States in the early 70s, and opened the first bebe store in San Francisco.

2. http://en.wikipedia.org/Babylon

Under the section `Babylon under Persia`

......During the time when Achaemenid Persia was the ........

3. http://en.wikipedia.org/God

Section `History of monotheism`

In the Ancient Orient, many cities had their own local god, though this henotheistic worship of a single god did not imply denial of the existence of other gods. The Hebrew Ark of the Covenant is supposed (by some scholars) to have adapted this practice to a nomadic lifestyle, paving their way for a singular God. Yet, many scholars now believe that it may have been the Zoroasterian religion of the Persian Empire that was the first monotheistic religion, and the Jews were influenced by such notions (this controversy is still in debate)

4. http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Knight#Knight_.28honorific.29

Section==Early heavy cavalry==

The origin of heavily armoured cavalry (cataphractos) lies in Parthian and Sassanid Persia, and medieval chivalry absorbed many Persian traditions in the course of the Perso-Byzantine wars. For example, Ammianus Marcellinus, a Roman general and historian, who served in the army of Constantius II in Gaul and Persia, fought against the Persians under Julian the Apostate and took part in the retreat of his successor, Jovian. He describes the Persian knight as:

"All their companies clad in iron, and all parts of their bodies were covered with thick plates, so fitted that the stiff joints conformed with those of their limbs; and forms of the human faces were so skillfully fitted to their heads, that since their entire bodies were covered with metal, arrows that fell upon them could lodge only where they could see a little through tiny openings opposite the pupil of the eye, or where through the tips of their noses they were able to get a little breath." "The Persians opposed us serried bands of mail-clad horsemen in such close order that the gleam of moving bodies covered with closely fitting plates of iron dazzled the eyes of those who looked upon them, while the whole throng of horses was protected by coverings of leather. "

5. http://en.wikipedia.org/Cavalry

Section, Origins

Before the Iron Age, the role of cavalry on the battlefield was largely performed by light chariots. The power of mobility given by mounted units was recognized early on, but was offset by the difficulty of raising large forces and by the inability of horses (then mostly small) to carry heavy armor.

It is noteworthy to mention that heavy cavalry was first used by the Iranian Parthians, and more so by the Sasanids (both, but especially the latter, were famed for the cataphract, heavy cavalry armed with lances) . During the Roman-Persian wars, the Parthians swift mounted counter-attacks would prove too much for the Romans at first, who were the master of hand-to-hand combat. However, later the Romans would successfully adapt such heavy armor, and tactics .

6. http://en.wikipedia.org/Sinbad_the_Sailor

Sinbad the Sailor (also spelled "Sindbad", from Arabic ' Sin-di-bad, from Persian ' Sand-baad) is the name of a legendary story from Persia about an Arab sailor during the Abbasid Caliphate who has numerous fantastic adventures during his voyages throughout the seas east of Africa and south of Asia.

7. http://en.wikipedia.org/Satan

http://en.wikipedia.org/God Supreme Being was a concept that according to some scholars was likely first introduced to humanity as Ahura-Mazda, `The Ultimate Good` who is the Universal God of all mankind, by the Iranian or better known in Western literature as Persian prophet Zoroaster, whose monotheistic view of religion would later influence Judeo-Christian beliefs.

8. http://en.wikipedia.org/Angel

Introduction to Angel

An angel is an ethereal being found in many religions, whose duties are to assist and serve God or the gods. Most scholars now believe that humanity was first introduced to angelology as well as demonology, by the Iranian (Persian) prophet Zoroaster, through The Persian Empire, that would later influence Judeo-Christian beliefs .

9. http://en.wikipedia.org/Devil

Many scholars believe humanity was first introduced to angelology as well as The Devil and demonology, by the Iranian (Persian) prophet Zoroaster that would later single-handedly influence Judeo-Christian beliefs. This is discussed in more detail below.

10. http://en.wikipedia.org/One_thousand_and_one_nights

Section, History During the reign of the Arab Abbasid Caliph Harun al-Rashid in the 8th century, Baghdad had become an important cosmopolitan city. Merchants from Persia (Iran), China, India, Africa, and Europe were all found in Baghdad. It was during this time that many of the stories, which were originally folk stories, are thought to have been collected orally over many years and later then compiled into a single book.

The nucleus of the stories is formed by an old Persian book called Hazâr Afsâna ('Thousand Myths', Persian: ??????????). The later compiler and translator into Arabic is reputedly storyteller Abu abd-Allah Muhammed el-Gahshigar in the 9th century. The frame story of Shahrazad seems to have been added in the 14th century. The first modern Arabic compilation, made out of Egyptian writings, was published in Cairo in 1835. 11. http://en.wikipedia.org/Al_Khwarizmi

Make sure no one changes Al Khwarizmi’s birthplace from Persia to Arabia

12. http://en.wikipedia.org/Al_Biruni

Make sure no one changes Al-Biruni`s birthplace from Persia to Arabia.

13. http://en.wikipedia.org/Avicenna

Make sure no one changes Avicenna’s birthplace from Persia to Arabia.

14. http://en.wikipedia.org/Summum_bonum

Summum bonum (greatest or supreme good) was a concept first introduced to humanity as Ahura-Mazda, `The Ultimate Good` who is the Universal God of all mankind, by the Iranian or better known in Western literature as Persian prophet Zoroaster, whose monotheistic view of religion would later heavily influence Judeo-Christian beliefs, and change the course of humanity. In Western literature, it is a neoplatonic concept attributed to the Christian God by Saint Augustine in de natura boni (399), in direct opposition to his earlier Manichaean (a religion by another Persian prophet, Mani) convictions. Augustine denies the positive existence of absolute evil, describing a world with God as the supreme good at the center, and defining different grades of evil as different stages of remoteness from that center.

Make you go to these Misplaced Pages articles and put them on your watch list. Try to invite others who agree with these edits, and get them involved, be active, be persistence; however, most of all, be factual and be respectful.

Thanks Zmmz 06:05, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Kurds

Dear Shervink

I agree with your view that says Kurds are Iranian people 100% if for no reason other than the fact that they speak an Iranian language. However these editors have a phobia to the name Iran and they are bringing any excuse possible not to mention it in the first sentence. This is why I decided to drop it from the first sentence. We will not get anywhere with them, they even attacked the “Persian people” page only to distract us from telling the truth about Kurds. I thought if we drop Iranian from the first sentence, we might be able to at least force them to have it in the second paragraph. At least it will be better than the current version which is trying to push the reference to Iranian language as farther down the article as they can and instead talk about political stuff.

what do you think?

Gol 20:03, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Again I agree with you completely but I don’t think these editors will ever accept the word Iranian in the beginning. the truth is they have no real argument as to why it should not be mentioned. What name would we have for people who speak an Iranian language? even if we accept all they are saying about being genetically different.I know this is why they attacked the Iranian people page. They refuse to accept facts. Do you have any suggestions?

Gol 12:45, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Help

If erased, copy and paste below in the Persian People article in its intro. please,

The Persians of Iran are an ethnic group identified by a sense of sharing a common Iranian (Persian culture) and having a Persian: a branch of Indo-European languages.

The ancient Persians from the province of Pars became the rulers of a large empire under the Achaemenid dynasty in the sixth century BC, reuniting the tribes and other provinces in the ancient Iranian Plateau and forming the country, Iran (Persian: land of Aryans). Over the centuries Persia was ruled by various dynasties; some of them were native Iranian Achaemenids, Parthians (Persian: Ashkanian), Sassanids, Buwayhids and Samanids), and some of them were not (the Seleucids, Seljuk Turks, Afsharids and Qajars). It is important to note that the founding dynasty of the empire [the Achaemenids, and later the Sassanids were from the southern provinces of Pars, from which in Western literature the word Persia is derived to used to distinguish between ancient and moder Iran. However, according to archeological evidence found in moder day Iran in the form of Cuneiforms that goes back to the Achaemenid era, it is evident that the country had been Iran from its birth.

The Persian civilization spawned four major religions: Zoroastrianism, Mithraism, Manichaeanism, and the Baha’i Faith. Other religions such as Mazdakism, and Manichaeism also arose from ancient Iran, with the former having been dubbed the first communistic ideology, and the latter heavily influencing Saint Augustine; hence, indirectly influencing Christianity: Both religions were sub-branches of Zoroastrianism. Today many scholars while still debating on which religion first introduced monotheism; Zoroastrianism, or Judaism, they, however, have conceded that it was the religion of Zoroastrianismthat for the first time introduced angelology, demonology, apocalyptical doctrines, as well as, some eschatological notions to humanity. Such ideas would later be passed on to the Babylonian Jews via the Persian Empire. All of these reflect the extreme dualism of Persian culture which has also significantly influenced Judeo-Christianity and Western civilization. In addition, Persian civilization has affected its neighbors through culture, religion, and language.

.Zmmz 21:32, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Copy and paste this under article Angel. It is being reverted even though my source is preeminent. Also, the articles Al Khwarizmi and Al Biruni are being unfairly edit to show ``Arabian`` origins.

Introduction to Angel An angel is an ethereal being found in many religions, whose duties are to assist and serve God or the gods. Most scholars now believe that humanity was first introduced to angelology as well as demonology, by the Iranian (Persian) prophet Zoroaster, through The Persian Empire, that would later influence Judeo-Christian beliefs.Zmmz 22:16, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

-Shrevnik, would you regard Parsis as literally Persians or of Persian descent? After all, they dont speak a Persian language and have embraced Indian culture and absorbed it into their Zoroastrian religious tradition, although they are racially unmixed. This identity of the Parsis has been a point of contestation for some of us. -User: Afghan Historian

Leaving?

Aw c'mon man. :) don't worry, the truth is already winning. --Kash 02:15, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Your leaving WP is certainly premature since you have not been around for very long. Editors such as Zereshk and myself have been around for quite awhile and we're still around, though I will be slowly cutting back since due to the perpetual problems certain bigoted users like to constantly impose upon the Iranian articles. It certainly won't end, which is why editors such as yourself, should remain and focus on those articles where the problems are the greatest. Khoikhoi is also an excellent editor and someone to turn to for backup when things are getting difficult. You just need to be patient and try your best to stay NPOV and hopefully if there are more editors involved the problems will be solved. In the case of Persian people and Iranian peoples we have many editors getting involved, so your continued involvement would be worthwhile. SouthernComfort 03:33, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Genetics Test

Go here,http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Genetic_origins_of_the_Kurds, and vote `strong delete` please, so a certain user would no longer be able to use some psuedoscience genetic test about `Kurds`, and constantly insert in the Iranian people article. We also need a lot of help on the Persian people, Iranian people, and the Al Khwarizmi article and discussion pages.Zmmz 03:34, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

User Aucaman

It is very important that you please go to the following page and help me combat anti-Iranianism made by one particular user who is doing possible sneaky vandalism, yet certainly disruptiveness on most Persian related articles due to political and Zionist reasons, which have no place in an encyclopedia. The link that suports banning this user is, http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Aucaman, and also Misplaced Pages:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-03-02 Persian people. This would be appreciated. Zmmz 07:36, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Iranian people's mediation

I was told that you were heavily involved in Iranian peoples - theres a content dispute going on and I'm trying to mediate it here - would you mind posting your issues with the article there and we can talk? Thanks! -- Tawker 00:47, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Possible Alternate

Hi, if you haven`t done so already, then go to the following links and quickly vote either ``Strongly delete``, go to http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion#.7B.7BKurdistan-stub.7D.7D_.2F_Cat:Kurdistan_stubs, and http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Kurdistan. Also, please go to, http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Aucaman_and_User:Heja_helweda_and_User:Diyako. ``I support`` the blocking of user Aucauman, Diyako, and Heja Helwelda. This is tiresome. Thanks Zmmz 01:35, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Iranian Revolution

Your views concerning the coup aside, you may wish to help clean up the article on the Revolution and present a counter POV to the extreme anti-Shah side presented. SouthernComfort 17:28, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Well, at any rate, I hope you decide to increase your involvement because as you very well know, there are a few editors (fortunately only a very few) that are only interested in injecting their own personal opinions into articles and who have displayed quite an antagonistic and racist attitude towards Iran and Iranians. The above article is a cakewalk in comparison after you've gone through what we've dealt with over this past year. ;) SouthernComfort 07:05, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

My MSN id

It's manif@hotmail.com, please add me. --ManiF 01:43, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Collage for Persian people

Noticed that you had created a 4-image collage for Iranian peoples. By any chance do you have any PD images for use in Persian people? SouthernComfort 13:24, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Your Signature

Hi. Please go here, erase your signature from section `Users certifying the basis for this dispute, and instead, sign under the section`Other users who endorse this summary`. ThanksZmmz 07:36, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

OK, so please sign under the other section too, because the first section you signed in, does not show your support, rather shows you tried to solve the dispute, and that you certify you did try, that`s it. ThanksZmmz 08:03, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Iranian Wikipedians' Notice Board (WatchDog)

Please bookmark this page, for daily updates on the status of the Iran-related articles. Read notices posted by others or add your own notice by updating "Urgent view". --ManiF 16:19, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

User:Diyako is trying to make an alternative ficticious definition of Newroz

User:Diyako has created an article on a Turkic-Nowruz without mention of its Iranian history and roots. Soon we will here Nowruz has nothing to do with Iran too. His article is Nevruz. This should be merged or edited properly. He has gone on the Turkish discussions to promote it.

Here is what user:Diyako has written;

Nevruz is the spring festival among Turkic-speaking nations, from Turkey to Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan etc. It is very similar to the Iranian festival of Norouz.

According to Turkish legends Nevruz dates back to era of Gökturks.

Th user Diyako is definnityl anti-Iranian and has an anti-Iranian agenda.

Nevruz is not very similar to the Irnian festival of Norouz it is Norouz!

He has claimed the Kurdish flag has nothing to do with Iran and is a crime to fly in Iran. The Kurdish flag is based on the Iranian flag it is even in the memories of the founders of the Mehbad Republic who wanted to showcase their Aryan and Mede heritage. Back then Kurds only had a oral history about their only know ancestors the Mede and Mede heritage, before other ancestors were accepted. The Sun is also very significant element of ancient Iranian and Zorasatrianism. Diyako is misleading everyone. Go to Kurdistan 20 years ago let alone 50 they will say we are Aryans and our own blood relatives are the Persians. The Kurdish flag is not banned in Iran and is based on Iranian colours. This user also claims the Iranians are only a lingustic group after he saw that the tide was against him that Kurds are in definition an Iranian people so he worked to undermine the definition of Iranian people and even Persians with user:Acuman.

69.196.139.250 21:09, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

ShervinK, give me your email. Ive sent a message to other users that I think you need to be in jaryaan as well.--Zereshk 23:55, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

HOw do I report Diyako to the ArbBrd?

I asked Z about this but I would also like to ask you. Also look at the Kurdish flag and the fabrication he has made.

GO see his talk pages and the comments he said including the Farsis statment. After he was told that Farsi should not be used and is offensive to certain users he dilberatly insiste on using it to arouse anger. Also I made clear warning about the Kurdish flag on the Kurdistan page about the fake sources. He has placed fake sources. Check them out they are random or not related. They are neither proof or verification. He says the Kurdish flag is criminal in Iran and it was him and someone else in the past I think that state it carried the death sentence. This is clear violaation, but of what and how do I report him? 69.196.139.250 02:12, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

CLEAR evidence on Acuman; here is part of the evidence

It has to do with an old discussion in the Kurds and Kurdistan articles and how it was being vandalized and phoney sources were being used. It was pointed out to user:Acuman and Heja, but they ignored it. Read my talk page. It gives you the lead and the trail. The digging in the archieves someone else can do. If you succeed in digging it up from the archeieves you can prove that this group of users are biased and with an agenda. I have just proved user:Diyako is on a agenda on my talk page and with my evidence. He has been caught red handed. Manik666 04:54, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Warning

This mesage is regarding the Kurdish festival of Newroz. Please do not blank and redirect different articles .

This is your last warning. The next time you vandalize a page, you will be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages.

Diyako Talk + 15:55, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Dear shervink, I don't know why you and me never come a compromise on a matter! I'm sure that what I edit is true, because I do not like to be involved in edit wars. I can accept to rename the Kurdish article on spring festival to avoid misleading and concerns by our Iranian friends. for me the most important is the content and existence of a artilce which is specially on Kurds and Newroz festival.Diyako Talk + 16:31, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

No you are wrong: The Kurdish Newroz is different than Iranian one and it deserves an article which discuss the matter in details. also you can mention and discuss the Kurdish new year festival in the article Iranian new year festival. but tou cannot censor or kill the article on Kurdish Newroz. Diyako Talk + 16:41, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

HAPPY NEW YEAR

Diyako Talk + 10:24, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. I wish this new beautiful solar year (Iranian: 1385) will be a good year for you and all wikipedians esp Iranian wikipedians who I have had more contact with these friends va sale khoobi khahad bood baraye tahkim doosti miyane hamaye ma. Happy and long live the ancient and Zoroastrian celebration of Norouz! Diyako Talk + 17:27, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Salam

Can I please have your e-mail address? --ManiF 20:24, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

If you can, send me an e-mail to manif@hotmail.com, there is something that I need to ask you. --ManiF 03:41, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Diyako

He claims something here. I am not sure what he is talking about but he says you do not "think" like me, I'd like you to go there and comment please. --Kash 17:38, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Biased POV pushers and double standards

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Iranian monarchists

Do you think this article is necessary? No one has bothered expanding it - I was thinking of doing so, but I believe it would be better to move it to Iranian monarchism or something along those lines. SouthernComfort 07:12, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

I agree. It would be difficult to work on article about Iranian monarchism in general. I started an article on another monarchist group, but for some reason I've been unable to find it - perhaps it may have been deleted. Do you know how many groups are out there and if Rastakhiz is still actually functioning? SouthernComfort 13:11, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Can you make sense of what's going on with Mohammad Reza Pahlavi - someone keeps taking out "styled His Imperial Majesty" (citing non-existent WP guidelines) yet leaving the other styles in. Very odd. SouthernComfort 13:27, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

That's what I was thinking as well - there is a Rastakhiz website, which used to have more information, but it no longer seems to be active (just a single page or two with a photo). I've never heard of the group actually still existing. The Constitutionalist Party - that's the one I think I started the article for. It must have been deleted. But they are not primarily connected to the Pahlavis, I don't think? From what I understand they are only in favor of the restoration of the constitutional monarchy, as established after the Constitutional Revolution. Shapour Bakhtiar's group was/is not monarchist, right? Any help you could provide in expanding these articles would be great. I've added some bits to Rastakhiz, but I've had a hard time tracking down any concrete sources, not even at the library - most sources deal with the negative aspects of Rastakhiz, but fail to offer any detail as to the inner workings of the party and the relationship to groups that were brought under its umbrella. SouthernComfort 13:47, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

By the way, if you could help track down a source for the fact that economic analysts during the 1970s predicted that Iran would surpass Western Europe in standard of living, that'd be great. I've been searching for this for awhile now since I've read about it before, but it's been tedious wading through numerous texts. ;) SouthernComfort 13:51, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Sorry to leave yet another message, but have a look at this image of the Shah . I think it's better than the one currently on his page. Do you know if all images of Shah are the domain of his estate? SouthernComfort 13:55, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Check the discussion here please. --ManiF 11:48, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for starting that article; looks good - I've added a couple of categories. By the way, do you have any sources regarding Mossadegh's ethnic background. His article states that he was of Qajar descent, but I've never read this. I'd always read that he was primarily of Bakhtiari lineage. SouthernComfort 13:55, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Please check Al-Karaji, I provided sources that he's Persian, but still User:Jidan is removing my sources labeling him an Arab. --ManiF 14:58, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Personal attacks

Please do not make harmful comments against other users, as you did here. It is strictly against wikipedia policy, and is something that users may be temporarily blocked for if they persist. Just keep in mind, the general guideline to help keep civility is that we must discuss article content, not other users. --InShaneee 18:35, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

'Unable or inexperienced'? That's as much a bad faith assumption as the first scenario you presented to me. If you think he misunderstood your post, say, "I think you misunderstood me", then try to clarify yourself. The comment I cited above had no such consructive value. --InShaneee 20:13, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

What I 'expect' you to do is to follow wikipedia's policies of assuming good faith and being civil to other users, regardless of how you think they should be treated. If another user is in violation of policy, report them to me or another admin and we will deal with it. Until then, if you do not show respect to them, regardless of how you feel about them or their contributions, you will be blocked. --InShaneee 18:15, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

You're free to think what you want of your own actions; just know that comments like that are unnacceptable on wikipedia, regardless of your justifications. --InShaneee 22:08, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Iranian Azerbaijan

Hi there,

I just wanted to let you know that user, khoikhoi (MOD) keeps including the very offensive term, "south azerbaijan" on the Iranian Azerbaijan page. We should not let him post this propoganda and false information. That term has no place in an encycolpedia article. It is not relevent to the content. What a few seperatists call that region should not be shown here. If we dont stop this, people will start including the "a#abian gulf" as an alternate name on the Persian gulf page.

KhodahafesDariush4444 04:21, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

This edit

Can you provide a source then? —Khoikhoi 16:06, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Including Azeris in Iranian peoples. - Need your vote.

Not sure if you are around. I knew you were a strong advocate of inclusion of Iranian Turks among Iranian peoples. There is a vote going on the Talk:Iranian_peoples. Please join in and cast your vote. 203.48.45.194 06:25, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Reza Pahlavi II

When you have time, have a look. Ba sepaas -- - K a s h 04:55, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Don't you think it is funny how the same people who oppose George Bush and his "plans" for middle east, are often the same people who have their own "opinions" on what is right and what is not right for the people of middle east?!! It is hideous. Not that I am a fan of G.B. -- - K a s h 18:39, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Is he not the pretender to the throne of Iran? I am getting a little confused. -- - K a s h 14:58, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Regarding your last edit comments to the Pahlavi article, please know that he is still the heir to the throne but the throne is no longer in power. For this reason JDirl uses the term "pretender" to refer to Pahlavi and considers the throne to be "defunct." However, this is not true as long as Pahlavi and his family are still alive. Take, for example, the period in which Pahlavi's father was forced to leave Iran due to the Mossadegh administration. When the Mossadegh administration was overthrown with the assistance of Western forces, the Pahlavi throne was reinstated but no one had expected this to ever occur. This could very well occur again as long as the family is alive. Should the throne ever become the official authority in Iran, then Pahlavi or his family will head it. As long as that is even a remote possibility, Pahlavi is the heir to the throne even if the throne does not currently establish the head of government in Iran. The same goes for the Romanoff family in Russia. The decendents of the family are referred to as the heirs to the Russian monarchy eventhough they are not in power. Those decendents certainly have much less of a chance of ever coming to power in Russia than the chance of Pahlavi coming to power in Iran. --Strothra 15:49, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

You know, I don't think his name is "Cyrus" at all. I believe this term has been introduced since all the Pahlavi names are usually Islamic (Mohammad, Reza, and even Reza P II's kids names) so nationalists may have introduced this non-existant "middle name". --K a s h 09:57, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

I have established the fact that Azaris are Iranian

User:grandmaster is tryig every dirty trick in the book to repress my citations and proper edits that have followed procedure. 72.57.230.179

Civility

Regarding this edit: Please remember to remain civil during discussions and assume good faith in other users at all times. Not all sources are reliable and usable by wikipedia, which is a fact; assuming that a user is simply 'ignoring' sources is disrespectful. --InShaneee 16:40, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Azarbijan

Keep an eye on all the Azari related articles. Please take a look at Shah Ismail. As you know Pan-Turkists try and say he was a Turk who took over Iran instead of he was the King of Iran. The Azari pages are grossly being manipulated or disfigured please keep an eye on them and get active.

This was written and this was the response .

Here is the translation: How are you. To soon to give a complicated comment. These protests have been forming a long time coming and they are ripening, this wan not and necessary the only occasion, so that it would splash out to the streets. The basic problem is the fact that they reject tp the Azaris the right to thei national identity, the right to the development of their own language and distinct culture. You can see even here, in the consideration of articles, Iranian Azarbaijan and Azarbaijanians. Some Iranian participants insist on saying Azaris are an Iranian ethnicity, although it is widely-known that Azaris are Turkic. This is what is being represented or occuring in Iran itself. Conflict apparently on this basis, people require the protection of their cultural rights.

These is only the tip of the ice berg. 72.57.230.179

3RR on Iranian peoples

Hello Shervink. In spite of a notification of the 3rr policy, you have continued to revert, resulting in a 24hr block under 3RR. Please discuss on the talk page when this expires. Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 01:17, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Urgent

Please vote here. Thanks--Zereshk 00:54, 21 July 2006 (UTC)