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::::See ]. There are so many of them that, if anything, a dabhat on ] should link to that, not to an article about just one alternate party. This has been explained to you before and I am becoming fed up of going round in circles. Much more of this and I will be asking for a topic ban. - ] (]) 13:45, 8 March 2015 (UTC) ::::See ]. There are so many of them that, if anything, a dabhat on ] should link to that, not to an article about just one alternate party. This has been explained to you before and I am becoming fed up of going round in circles. Much more of this and I will be asking for a topic ban. - ] (]) 13:45, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' {{tq|if there is consensus then the Article ] can be moved to ] and the page ] can be a disambiguation page, then the hatnote from ] can be removed.}} I will support anything if the maligning hatnote gets removed. Please go ahead. ] (]) 13:36, 8 March 2015 (UTC) *'''Comment''' {{tq|if there is consensus then the Article ] can be moved to ] and the page ] can be a disambiguation page, then the hatnote from ] can be removed.}} I will support anything if the maligning hatnote gets removed. Please go ahead. ] (]) 13:36, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' obviously. The hatnote follows wikipedia's standard disambiguation practice, and is not misleading, maligning etc in the least. ] (]) 23:55, 8 March 2015 (UTC)


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Semi Protect it urgently

Kindly semi protect this page urgently. APCO team from Bharatiya Janata Party is spamming with wrong information and spreading it via Twitter and Facebook.

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We seem to have a disagreement regarding interpretation of WP:INDICSCRIPT. I don't understand why this should be so - please can it be explained. - Sitush (talk) 03:06, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Example. - Sitush (talk) 03:07, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Sitush INDICSCRIPT seems to apply to lead sentences, not infoboxes. I looked at other party articles and two out of the three national parties had INDICSCRIPT in infoboxes. I don't care if it's there or not, but the practice should be consistent throughout articles of this type. --NeilN 03:40, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
Ok, thanks. In that case, it has got messed up. There was an exception for placenames (using the officially designated languages for the specific region) but not for anything else. The reasons should be obvious (ie: derogatory vandalism that was hard to spot, a multitude of edit wars about precisely which character to use etc). I've obviously missed a change somewhere but I stand by my gut feeling regarding how this was. It is 03:45 here, so I'll pick it up tomorrow and I'll probably be asking for SPI to take a look anyway. - Sitush (talk) 03:46, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
SitushDear Sri Situshji, please note carefully I am telling 2 you so you can understand it, Native language in the lead "There is ultimately no consensus about which language to use, but I see a fair bit of support in regards to IPA and pronunciation and would think this would help normal readers, so I am going to say that Using IPA to clarify pronunciation is the consensus of this discussion, all other sections do not meet a level of consensus needed to pass. -- DQ (ʞlɐʇ) 09:38, 26 January 2012 (UTC)"
This means "IPA can be used to clarify pronunciation", and there is no consensus for any other matters being discussed, like saying Indic scripts cant be used in English articles. Not tata (talk) 03:50, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
Not tata, WP:INDICSCRIPT, which has existed for at least the last two years, is clear about this: "There is community consensus that the lead sentence of an article should not contain any regional or Indic language script." Sitush, I agree with you. I am wary of any foreign scripts added to English Misplaced Pages because I can't really verify the content. --NeilN 04:03, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
Somewhere, in some thread that spun-off after the RfC close, it was agreed that infobox = lead for the purposes of script usage. That is because the two have the same prominence at the head of the article, the same propensity for problematic editing that is difficult to monitor, the same tendency for > 28-language bloat etc. It is going to take some digging to find that consensus now because there have been numerous such threads about related matters, at least some of which did affect geographical items. It might be easier if I just to start another thread at WT:INB and then someone amends the guideline according to the outcome. What I can say for sure is that until the incident in this article, I've never seen anyone challenge removal from non-geographic infoboxes since the RfC spin-off, which must have been at least a couple of years ago. - Sitush (talk) 11:31, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Serious Threats Of terrorism on slum families, AAP British VISA SCAM, Assualts on women and men

I have just seen news reports with Indian news channel reporting That at 10.47 am the AAP workers had Threaten poor people in the slums of "Krishna Nagar" with violance of nature linking to acts of extream Terrorism, along with this i have Found The AAP visa Fraud Sting Opperation,Reported assaults On women and men, Fraudulent addresses for fundings

I am strongly against any form of violence of this nature and i will not stand for this information not to be published on this page, It needs attention and may even save lifes

1. AAP Visa Fraud In England 2. Threats of extream Terror aim at Slum dwellers 3. Acts of Assault On women and men 4. Found with Fraudulent addressess on funding links

In 2014 AAP British Visa Scam http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/aap-uk-workers-involved-in-student-visa-scam-bbc-sting-550540

Videos from The Indian state ran News Channels Airing the information on threats On Youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZM7TKk8AAFg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nX6-81cYjQ0

Ref relating to threats http://www.msn.com/en-in/money/watch/kiran-bedi-accuses-aap-of-threatening-voters/vp-AA95Sgd http://www.scoopnest.com/user/IndiaToday/563929376530509824 http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/delhi-elections-live-aap-bjp-kejriwal-kiran-bedi-congress-maken/1/417438.html

I can ask to bring in a higher mod and editor to help out if you wish?92.236.96.38 (talk) 10:25, 9 February 2015 (UTC)Caplock

——These are allegations as per the videos and links you shared. And Visa issue is 1 year old and nothing furthur after this report. Rasulnrasul (talk) 13:49, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Well I Honestly do not care if the court case On AAP was One year ago,Three years ago or even One thousand years ago, the ref and news claim a crime has been noted by the high courts Of the united Kingdom so it is something which can be used here, no excuse.

Allegations Of attacks on Men and women, Allegations Of fraud, threats of terrorism by the AAP can be used on this page with no issues.

Where is The criticism section with the allegation and replys to the party AAP Manifesto?92.236.96.38 (talk) 15:49, 9 February 2015 (UTC)Caplock

Two persons "said to be", "purported AAP worker", "Kiran Bedi accuses". None of this meets the basic standards for inclusion. Not only are these people positively connected with AAP, we can't go around adding every bit of information about members of a party - whether it be positive or negative - unless it has some direct connection to the party itself. --regentspark (comment) 16:25, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Distinguishing

Will Bolterc try to explain why he is insulting others and not letting the distinguish remain? Fundarise (talk) 13:17, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

A mob here reverting my edits. Misplaced Pages has become a shame. Why would you add the pakistan party in the first place. It is not a recognized party. Added by Modi Bhakts. Do you want me to prove it ? Bolterc (talk) 13:00, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Not just one mob if you are seriously talking about other editors. Fundarise (talk) 11:33, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
If you can prove it, do. Until then, the hatnote remains a straightforward part of Misplaced Pages's normal functioning and does not, contrary to your claim in an earlier edit comment, malign anyone. Removal of that hatnote and placing an untrue redirect notice at the head of the article damages the normal functioning of the encyclopedia. Please stop doing that. NebY (talk) 20:35, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

On the result day (10th Feb) almost 1/10th of the visitors of this wiki page is misdirected to the pak fake party page. I consider this a serious threat. I came here to find this Hatnote only after a bjp supporter during a debate(offline) claimed AAP is a pakistan party. Bolterc (talk) 17:22, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Really? You have absolutely no idea where those people intended to go. I have just reverted you yet again on the article itself. The article title is Aam Aadmi Party and any disambiguation should relate to other articles that bear a similar title, not AAP. There might just be a good reason to link to a disambig for AAP also, but certainly not instead of. - Sitush (talk) 17:32, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

information Administrator note The war goes on. Because it's a wonderful day and I'm in a good mood, I have protected the article for yet another week instead of blocking somebody. Should the war resume in a week's time, I may not be so benevolent! Favonian (talk) 19:01, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

My attention has been drawn to a discussion relevant to this issue, following which I have blocked Bolterc for a week and returned the article to its previous semi-protected state. Favonian (talk) 19:12, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

RFC The Issue on Hatnote containing a link to pakistan political party.

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Speedy Delete The hatnote maligns the name of the Aam Aadmi Party. The hatnote links to a party which haad no part in any elections or not secured a considerable percentage of vote for media coverage. Completely bogus entry supported by few here. Sitush just because that article was not deleted doesn't mean the party is reliable. Why there is no news about the party ? Stop supporting fake parties. The hatnote is just SPAM. Bolterc (talk) 15:39, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
Speedy keep It conforms with our regular use of hatnotes and the so-called namesake party has recently survived discussion at AfD. Bolterc, given the stuff documented at ANI and your various other attempts to effect change here, you now need to drop this. Please read WP:TE. - Sitush (talk) 15:31, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
Hm. I see that your speedy delete above expands somewhat on your initial rationale. It makes no difference, though, and this RfC is in any event malformed because it is not worded neutrally etc. - Sitush (talk) 17:23, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
Comment You should understand this is a RFC. I created RFC because how can a unreliable and not on news party be added to the hatnote of a popular party. I request neutral views. This person sitush is nonsense. The pakistan party has no news articles on it is the clear view to come to a conclusion that it is just a namesake party and does not deserve to be added to the hatnote. The editor who added the hatnote is a supporter of bjp which is a rival political party. I request for neutral views. Bolterc (talk) 15:53, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
Comment Please note the hatnote links to an unimportant article. Unimportant articles added as hatnote were deleted before. Bolterc (talk) 20:03, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
Who is more notable with this title? AAP of India. This article should not be moved to disambiguation. Fundarise (talk) 12:52, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
It has already been determined via the deletion discussion that the Pakistani article is a notable subject. Please stop flogging this dead horse. - Sitush (talk) 13:23, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
What notable subject? There is no news regarding this party proves it is not at all important. The article is proposed and not deleted does not mean it is an important article. The discussion here is about the hatnote Let the neutrals decide whether it is important or unimportant to have this hatnote and not sitush or bolterc or fundarise who are involved in edits here. There is also a namesake party ] try adding it to the hatnote of Democratic Party (United States) you will get reverted. Bolterc (talk) 13:31, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
See Democratic Party. There are so many of them that, if anything, a dabhat on Democratic Party (United States) should link to that, not to an article about just one alternate party. This has been explained to you before and I am becoming fed up of going round in circles. Much more of this and I will be asking for a topic ban. - Sitush (talk) 13:45, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Infobox images

I have just reverted here. This is far from the first time that someone has tried to add the election symbol and the issue has been discussed time and again, both here and at venues such as WP:NFCC. That symbol is not acceptable for use on Misplaced Pages, per several affirmations of past consensus.

The so-called "official flag" that I removed was also pointless. According to the uploader - Bolterc - it is their own work. There is no way to reconcile that with "official" and, even if there were, we already have a non-free logo in the infobox and we do not usually permit more than one. - Sitush (talk) 19:14, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Checking File:AAP Symbol.png, the symbol first uploaded to Commons looks as if it might be free to use, in the same way that a fresh rendition of a coat of arms is. Unfortunately, someone then uploaded the non-free symbol over it. I was tempted to revert to the first one but I'm unfamiliar with Commons and an administrator pointed out that the file's now in use in quite a few articles. NebY (talk) 19:31, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
It wasn't actually free anyway, just mislabelled by somone (just as many people upload images as "own work" when all they have done is downloaded the thing from one place and then uploaded to Commons). That's how I recall the discussion at any rate. The symbols are assigned by the Election Commission of India and their own publications say that they are copyrighted. I'm not sure how that affects their use on, say, election literature but it does prohibit their use here along with the non-free AAP logo. - Sitush (talk) 19:36, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

I created the logo for AAP in 2012 so check wikimedia commons licensing. Now adding my own created symbol as well. Please find latest revision coming up. Bolterc (talk) 19:33, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

I do not believe you, sorry. You have demonstrated virtually no understanding of our policies and I doubt your competence to assess what is or is not a breach of copyright. - Sitush (talk) 19:37, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
I have just reverted you yet again. Please take another look at WP:BRD and WP:EW. You need to discuss this, not leave a note and then immediately assert your position in the article itself. - Sitush (talk) 19:41, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
  • Comment and question: Yes, the uploaders' copyright/free-image claims for the election symbols are dubious, but I would think that there is an obvious fair use rationale for including election symbols in this and all other Indian political party articles (and the article text should also, wherever possible, discuss the associated symbolism). After all ballot papers in India carry only the candidate name and the party election symbol (not, even the party name), so the educational purpose of providing the election symbol could not be stronger. Can someone point me to any prior discussion about this topic? Abecedare (talk) 23:46, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
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