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I am using this space to create my sandbox. MarnetteD | Talk 20:57, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Reminders

Thoroughly enjoyable

Redrose64 and Gareth Griffith-Jones Thanks so much for recommending The Wrong Mans. I just finished watching all six episodes of season one and it made for an enjoyable and fun evening. I felt that it was in the grand tradition of Hitchcock's "innocents who get caught up in a dangerous situation" films. Also, each episode seemed to add layers to the story - as opposed to the old adage of peeling away layers of the onion to get to the heart of the matter. The one series it kept bringing to mind is Dead Head from 1986. Thanks again to you both and have a delightful week. MarnetteD|Talk 04:42, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Another I forgot to mention: Broadchurch (series 2) - episode 2 is tomorrow. The DW/Torchwood connection strengthens. --Redrose64 (talk) 08:37, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Yes, Red Rose, and I thank you for scolding me last year regarding my not watching series one. Before Christmas, when I noticed the heralding of the continuation, I purchased series one. I am recording series two on my TiVo.
But am I being dense?—DW?
Michael, So glad you have enjoyed The Wrong Mans. Series two is great too. I see that Dead Head was released on DVD in the UK on the 15 April 2013; guess who's putting it in his Amazon basket?!
Enjoy your Sunday! — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 10:20, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Postscript: LOVEFiLM have it, so just added Dead Head— | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| —

I am glad that DH is available for you Gareth Griffith-Jones! I think (though, as ever, I could be wrong) Redrose is referring to the fact that Tennant has been joined by Eve Myles in the cast of Broadchurch for the DW/T connection. We don't get B until March so I will be avoiding reading about the plot to avoid spoilers (that word has been altered forever for me as I always hear Alex Kingston's luscious voice whenever I read or hear it) from the plot. Cheers again. MarnetteD|Talk 16:32, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

@Gareth Griffith-Jones: Yes, see User talk:MarnetteD/archive30#You too! particularly my post of 10:52, 15 April 2013. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:51, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Ah, yes. Thanks for that! — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 20:59, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Not just Eve Myles, but Adjoa Andoh also. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:26, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Red Rose, I loved Eve in this and Adjoa Andoh has such an impressive list of work: she was excellent in the Invictus film. — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 13:07, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

It would have been nice...

...if you had notified me in some way when reverting all my bold edits. A ping, a talk page note, just undoing one to use the echo feature... also, instead of just saying "no consensus for this yet", perhaps you should join in the discussion? Thanks, G S Palmer (talk • contribs) 13:35, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

I have been part of the discussion in other spots where it has taken place. As to "it would have been nice" notification is not required and WP:TITLEFORMAT is quite clear on the matter. I know that you are an excellent editor G S Palmer with WikiP's best interests at heart. The fact that we are on opposite sides of this issue does not change that. MarnetteD|Talk 16:24, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Well, hopefully the issue will get taken up in a more prominent place than WT:DW sometime. The experiment is rather pointless if it just languishes on a few episode pages. As to being on opposite sides of the debate, well, the more I think about it, the less I like the idea of using quotes - especially since it presents issues for those attempting to copy-paste the title in Internet Explorer. Suffice it to say, I'm reevaluating my position. (P.S. - sorry if I came across as sounding snappy in my first comment.) G S Palmer (talk • contribs) 16:49, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

No worries at all G S Palmer. Too often I find myself trying to leave a message for someone and doing so hurriedly and then realizing that it came of as snappy. In fact it looks like my reply to you was too curt so apologies to you as well. Your point about the problems with IE is very germane to the issue. Thanks for mentioning it. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 16:56, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Anita Ekberg

I see we've lost another already MD, Krimuk90, Loeba.. This year might shape up to be even worse than 2014 with losses! Ekberg really was astoundingly attractive in the 50s and 60s.♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:33, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

What a masterpiece!! I love it!!♦ Dr. Blofeld 22:35, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Glad you enjoyed it Dr. Blofeld. Herzog's directing career has gone in so many directions yet this early film shows so clearly what he is capable of. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 23:04, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

The thought of a dwarf colony in Lanzarote!! It's sort of like Cuckoo's Nest for dwarfs! Makes me wonder if it was an influence on Forman actually. Those scenes with him trying to climb up on the bed and near the end when the car eventually gets thrown down the well or crater or whatever it was and him just laughing at the camel!! Just great stuff! The vision of it all at such an early stage, pure talent.♦ Dr. Blofeld 06:56, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Sweetness

Thanks for cleaning my talk page! Best wishes... Binksternet (talk) 21:44, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

You are most welcome Binksternet and thanks for the yummy treat! MarnetteD|Talk 21:58, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Deception Point

Hi, Marnette.

I saw your change in Deception Point article and did a series of actions, which, now that I look back, seem somewhat goofy. I am here to clarify.

First, I reverted your edit; but forgot to write the main reason that motivated me to act: Loss of coherence. With your removals, I couldn't tell for the life of me, how the characters ended up on Tolland's ship. I copied and pasted the text into Microsoft Word and it said 714 words. I must have done it wrong because a later redo of the same revision showed 800ish words. Anyway, I ended up rewriting the whole section again. I hope you forgive me for my rash action.

One thing that I still don't understand is: What does WP:FILMPLOT have to do with this? Fleet Command (talk) 10:16, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your question FleetCommand. I don't think your actions was rash. OTOH WP:FILMPLOT certainly applies when it "Plot summaries for feature films should be between 400 and 700 words" and the article was already tagged (by another editor) as too long before the IP made the edit that I reverted. FP, also states "simply describe the events on screen as basically as possible". Although I did not link to it in my edit summary you will want to read WP:PLOTSUMNOT. Now, I note that you have done a rewrite of the entire plot section and I think it looks good. IMO it is still a bit on the longish side but that is just me.. Thanks for you efforts here at and for taking the time to post here. MarnetteD|Talk 18:59, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Er... Just to be sure and not to do something else goofy: WP:FILMPLOT is supposed to apply to film articles only, right? Because that article is about a book. Just want to be sure if the books don't have their own hard limit.

Maybe I'll work on making the section shorter to 400 words. I need to re-read the book again first. Fleet Command (talk) 17:20, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Well that is certainly a slap with a trout Whack! for me FleetCommand. Many apologies. I missed that this was a book article. The IP that made the edit had been bloating plot sections on several articles including some film ones. OTOH FILMPLOT is a supplement to MOS:PLOT and much of what is there is applies to the larger issue. Again my apologies for missing the important info. I hope that you enjoy rereading the book. After 30 some odd years since I had last read David Seals The Powwow Highway I picked it up again and found myself enjoying it much more that I had before. Cheers and have a good weekend. MarnetteD|Talk 17:37, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

I am intrigued by your comment on genres

Hi, I am intrigued by your comment that film genres are not relevant to actor articles. Giving the genres of their most important roles helps the reader to see what range or type of genres the actor works in. Regarding the unreferenced point, the film articles themselves rarely have a reference for the genre.OnBeyondZebrax • TALK 19:01, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for you post and questions O. First this "most important" roles idea is WP:POV. You were adding genres to any films that were listed in the lede (as well as a few other places in the article) and, some/many times, those are just a list with no relation to whether they are an actors most important role. As to an actors range that is better discussed in prose, with sources, in the body of the article. A two or three word blurb is just an advert for the film it does not give the reader any insight into an actors performance in a film. Furthermore, there can be widely different performances within one film no matter its genre. For example look at the original Alien Sigourney Weaver's performance is different from John Hurt's and Ian Holm's is vastly different from either of theirs. Thus, the label "Sci hi horror" gives the reader no insight into their performances. The larger problem is that, without a source, deciding a films genre is entirely subjective. All to often WP:OR or WP:SPECULATION or WP:SYNTH are used to add a genre. Without proper sourcing I have seen endless edit wars over what a films genre is. Clockwork Orange is a perfect example as numerous and various genres were added for years until a recent discussion achieved a consensus. Two items to wrap up the statement that you have seen articles where they aren't referenced does not mean that they shouldn't be also WP:OTHERSTUFF applies. IMO WP:INDISCRIMINATE is also a factor and that is why I stated that genres are to be used in a films article but they aren't relevant in an actors. Having said all this if you would like to have wider input I can suggest that you start a conversation about this at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers and/or Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Film. I hope that the week ahead is a good one for you. MarnetteD|Talk 19:56, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Thank you for your thorough and articulate response. Many actor articles have a shortlist of the actor's films in the lead. As you pointed out there is almost never a source to support this shortlist. Regarding your comments on genre debates, I have seen the debates over film genre from my involvement on the Heat (1995 film) article. It is unfortunate that MOS:FILM is almost all about film articles. It would be good if there was an MOS for actors and directors articles as well. Regarding the use of genres in an actor's article, how do you feel about including the genre (with a source) in the body of actor article, rather than the lead? Second, what is your view on including the genres (with a source) in the body of a director article? I hope you have a good week too.OnBeyondZebrax • TALK 22:51, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

At WP:INDISCRIMINATE it says "As explained in the policy introduction, merely being true, or even verifiable, does not automatically make something suitable for inclusion in the encyclopedia." So, by citing this, I think you are implying that even if sources were provided for the genres, it does not "automatically make something suitable for inclusion" in the lead or the article.OnBeyondZebrax • TALK 23:05, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. The items in the lede so often wind up being a "this is a favorite film/TV show of mine" list. I don't know what to do about that. I don't know if you remember when there was a "Notable Roles" line in the actor infobox (which no longer exists) but it was eventually removed because the very act of an editor saying "this role is more important than than one" is POV. I think it would take a discussion at MOSFILM to change anything in regards to the lede. I am still not big on genres in the body of the articles for actors for the reasons I gave above. OTOH it makes sense to use sourced ones in directors articles as that person is often integral in choosing the genre(s) that the film will be about. Indeed, as well you know, some directors specialize in certain genres. Of course, this is just my opinion so, if you want more input you could ask individual editors or go to the projects that I linked above. This reply is to your second post. We just edit conflicted so it is going to take a few moments to reply to your last post MarnetteD|Talk 23:12, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Okay, I do think that the genres in actor articles fall under INDISCRIMINATE. But as I wrote above the may be appropriate for director articles. This may seem confusing but things around here do need to be looked at on a case by case basis at times. MarnetteD|Talk 23:15, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi, I just wanted to show you a Featured Article for an actor which names several genres in the lead: Brad Pitt. Three of the genres were there before I modified the article, including the reference to the genres of Seven (film) and 12 Monkeys and calling Thelma and Louise a "road movie". This shows that there are other editors who wish to mention genres in the lead. Also Chevy Chase's article states that his films from the 1980s were comedies. I didn't add the genre there. I think it is helpful to the reader who is unfamiliar with his films to state that he did comedies.OnBeyondZebrax • TALK 02:43, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

I will just mention WP:OTHERSTUFF one more time so the fact that they are in the BP article does not mean that there is anything link a consensus to use them. That is why I wish you would seek other input. But I cannot make you do that. MarnetteD|Talk 02:47, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks

Anything by Tom Lehrer always welcome. But I had forgotten how truly wonderful that The Edwin Hawkins Singers hit song was .... now on it's ninth play! Eat ur heart out, Big Phil. Martinevans123 (talk) 00:11, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

You are welcome Martinevans123. Lehrer was the reason I watched every episode of the short lived US version of That Was the Week That Was. I especially like the way the animation included the elements that "hadn't been discovered" when TL recorded the song. A great big thanks for this link to Oh Happy Day. It greatly brightens my Sunday evening. Enjoy your week!! MarnetteD|Talk 00:28, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

You are so very welcome, too. Gospel music takes me to another place. Martinevans123 (talk) 00:32, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

The Castle of Cagliostro

Haha is it me or does the Lady Clarisse from the film look a lot like a younger Betsy Blair. As soon as I saw her face on that cliffside I thought wow that's really looked like an animated version of that actress from Marty :-) What always amazes me about Hayao is how he really has some of the European aristrocratic and personality traits really nailed, you watch films like Cagliostro and Porco Rosso and they feel dyed in the wool European, you'd guess they were made by an Italian animator rather than a Japanese one. I don't know much about Hayao but I'm highly impressed and I'd find it hard to believe that he hadn't spend considerable time in Europe.♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:59, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Crisco 1492 any idea?♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:38, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

• Haven't watched the film yet, actually. Waiting until I get back to Indonesia. For Porco... well, the studio is fascinated with European culture. It shows up in several of their animated films (Howl's Moving Castle is another one), and they're named for an Italian ground attack plane. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:46, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

I am not sure how but TCoC is one of the few of HM's that I haven't seen Dr. Blofeld. Gotta get to it. I can say that I find everything he has produced is well worth seeing. Even a film geared towards children like Kiki's Delivery Service is a fun watch. Porco Rosso is a delight. I particularly like Castle in the Sky. For one thing the robots in it look like cousins of Gigantor which I watched as a kid. They didn't even use the word anime that far back :-) The US DVDs of HM's films have this interesting bit of programming if you chose the English dubbed soundtrack the closing credits are in English - chose the original Japanese soundtrack and the credits are in Japanese. Thanks for adding your info Crisco 1492 MarnetteD|Talk 16:03, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Castle in the Sky is on my imminent list :-) I highly recommend Cagliostro, it reminds me actually of the Pink Panther in parts. It's just the way they're conceived above all, it's like it's really happening, despite the animation, you get roped into his world.♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:08, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

• I'll definitely have a watch. Dr B., did you get around to Grave of the Fireflies yet? It's been called "the best movie you'll never want to see again" for its suckerpunches of emotion. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 17:05, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Will see it soon. Speaking of "very European", wasn't the town of Telč a fantastic location MD in Woyzeck? Wonderful look and feel in that film.♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:43, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Absolutely Dr. Blofeld. In fact WH is as marvelous in how he films man made landscapes as he is with natural ones. Woyzeck's filming began almost as soon as Nosferatu ended and was completed in less than three weeks. One of the least seen of the Herzog/Kinski films (I think only Cobra Verde has been viewed less) it is a great example of their love/hate relationship. MarnetteD|Talk 18:45, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

One of the greatest scenes I've seen in German cinema is that knife scene and the way it was panned out emotionally and his reaction with the river. An ordinary director would not have produced anything even close to it, masterful, although the intensity of Kinski of course greatly helped.♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:03, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Crisco you might want to watch this. Watching the film now :-)♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:40, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

The best suggestion to date, thankyou Crisco 1492, the film is right up there with Ikiru and the others, one of the greatest and most moving I've ever seen!! I disagree that I wouldn't want to see it again though, like Ikiru it's something I'd watch again and again. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:15, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

• I agree with you, very much so. Been tempted to try and get the article to FA, but I've already ridden poor Curly's coattails so much with Departures. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:32, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

The girl is the key to it I think, she is absolutely adorable. I'd be up for working on it if you are, although can't commit too much to it at the moment as I still have the Streep, Ritz and Kubrick books to plough through! You seemed to understand Japanese though from the Departures article which might help, but I think it's the sort of film which will have a fair bit of scholarly material about it in English.♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:37, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

W.C. Fields

If you want a comedy to watch MD I highly recommend It's a Gift. It's a gem, the timing and that reminds me of Tracy and Hepburn at times.♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:54, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the recommendation @Dr. Blofeld:. I can't remember the last time I got to see a WC FIelds film. Sad really as his works used to feature regularly on one of the TV channels that was around when I was young. I can't even remember Turner Clissic Movies have aired his films in the last several years :-( Thanks again. MarnetteD|Talk 20:07, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

It's a definite one to get on DVD, trust me on this one! I'm not sure though you can usually get the DVD independently, fortunately I was able to pick up a copy from somebody selling off their WC Fields collection individually. Some of the scenes like the blind guy in the kumquat store and him shaving with a rotating mirror are just right up there with greatest all time comic moments!! For some reason The Bank Dick is always thought of as his definitive film, but It's a Gift is far far better, I'd rank it right up there with the best comedies of all time.♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:14, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

The scenes you describe remind me that I did see it at some point in the dim and distant @Dr. Blofeld:. BTW Rod Steiger was a huge admirer of Fields. He worked for years to get W.C. Fields and Me made. I remember reading that, when the film was a bust with critics and at the box office, he went into a depression and even stopped acting for a brief period of time. MarnetteD|Talk 20:22, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

I'll have to watch that one sometime! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:24, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Seven days

Seven days, seven more days they’ll be comin’
We’ll be waiting at the stadium for them to arrive
Seven more days, all I gotta do is survive

Read more: ... . Next Friday evening! — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 18:51, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

My brother has tickets for some of the World Cup pool matches in September-October. These include Australia vs Wales, 10 October at Twickenham. He's not taking me, but his son (age 12). --Redrose64 (talk) 20:07, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks so much for letting me know Gareth Griffith-Jones. I checked and, like last year, we aren't getting the matches live but we are getting them on the same day!! Redrose64 congrats to your brother. I will keep a lookout for them in the crowd and wave if I see them. HeeHee. I hope that you both have a nice weekend. MarnetteD|Talk 21:07, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

Giving credit, where credit is due, I should add, "With apologies to Bob."
Wishing you a lovely weekend! — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 10:33, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

British box office

Can you find a reliable source for the top 10-20 films at the British Box office by year? It would be good for the List of British films of 1961 etc to have the top 10 films listed.♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:37, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

My first thought was the BFI website but I am not finding what you are looking for Dr. Blofeld. I tried searching a few different ways but came up empty. Erik and Betty Logan are better at these searches than I am so maybe they can come up with something that suits your needs. MarnetteD|Talk 18:16, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

The Guardian I think did a Top 10 for each year, can Tim riley find anything? Perhaps they can be found separately, 1959 box office Guardian etc.♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:23, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Was it The Manchester Guardian Sitush? We have a lot of articles on here which state a film was xxx at the box office in 1957 etc! The Square Peg says the source for the 1959 list is ""Year Of Profitable British Films." Times 1 Jan. 1960: 13. The Times Digital Archive. Web. 11 July 2012."♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:29, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

For recent stuff, try the BFI Statistical Yearbooks here. I have no idea re: older stuff but I'm not seeing it in either The Grauniad or Times (at least, not as a list - maybe individual stories mention individual films). I would imagine Variety or something like that would be a better bet. - Sitush (talk) 19:40, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Formal UK box office by the British Film Institute did not begin until 1975. Aside from individual distributors that periodically released figures for successful films the now defunct Kinematograph Weekly is your best bet for annual box office grosses. Betty Logan (talk) 00:49, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

My talk page

Thanks a bunch for reverting the vandalism. Hopefully he cuts it out. He hasn't messed around sense then. Dozzzzzzzzzing off (talk) 02:16, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

You are most welcome Dozzzzzzzzzing off. I am glad I could help. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 03:11, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Oscar

Ha, you got in a minute ahead of me with Wilde's wife and sons (but I got the grandson!). Hi, and good to meet you. What a cool talk page. Fun playing with Oscar Wilde things, and there must be more links about his life (homes, wanderings, whatnots) to add. Keep on looking! Randy Kryn 00:15 11 February, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Randy Kryn. Your work on the template is much appreciated. I will keep an eye peeled for other articles that might be added to it. Keep up the good work and cheers!! MarnetteD|Talk 00:18, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflicted)... and a great user page, I just skimmed it but see that you are a true Wilde fan, and I bow to your greater knowledge. Does Misplaced Pages have something about the Vincent Price show? And I see you've followed Dr. Who. I was very lucky to start watching the Dr. just when Clara Oswald came on for the long haul (I had to go back to watch the two episodes she was in previously). Aye. Randy Kryn 00:22 11 February, 2015 (UTC)

Sadly, WikiP does not have an article about Diversions and Delight. Price performed it in Denver two different times in the late 70s and I went to see it at both venues. We do have an article for John Gay (screenwriter) who wrote it. Back in 2000 my mother contacted him and he kindly sent her a copy of the play (as it had never been published) to give to me. That in turn lead to it being performed, in 3007, at the Germinal Stage Denver a theatre that I have been attending for years. There was once a review here that had some nice info about the history of the writing of the play. I hope you can be found on the net somewhere as I have no experience in doing that kind of search. Victoria Price's bio of her father has a batch of info about his time performing the role. As to the Doctor I have been watching his travels since 1981 and am amazed (and am grateful) for the shows current popularity. Best regards Randy Kryn MarnetteD|Talk 00:45, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Will read the links later, sounds like a very good story. Signing off for awhile now. I did find an opera, a play, and a film about Wilde. Was only one movie made about his life? More later. Randy Kryn 00:50 11 February, 2015 (UTC)

Here is a list of various films etc about him Biographies of Oscar Wilde#Biographical films.2C television series and stage plays. The two films from 1960 are interesting but only marginally accurate to any aspects of Wilde's life. The laws regarding "Gross Indecency" were still in effect when they were made. Stephen Fry's film did not suffer from those restrictions. The beginning of the film gets almost everything wrong about his trip to Leadville. It was a city of up to 100,000 people. It had electricity and phone service and Wilde arrived by train. It was April 1882 and there were a couple inches of snow on the ground. However, IMO the film does portray the spirit of his visit and its effects on Wilde and the miners pretty well. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 01:04, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Wow, thanks. I'm going to try to make more of a map of Wilde's life in my mind, I know his reputation but couldn't hold a decent conversation about him. But I really want to ask you if we can talk about Dr. Who a bit, at least I happen to have a question and an observation, and would like to see how close I am to how you and the fandom as a whole see it. You've had a focus and interest since the second doctor, so you are the first person I've mentioned this to who has a large viewpoint of the arcs. Question is, wondering if you think that Clara Oswald is the most important companion in the journey, and is, or is by far, the most important person in Dr. Who's lifetime? As I said, I hooked right into Dr. Who for the first time ever with the first Clara Oswald present-day episode (not the two previous, which I'll have to watch again very soon), and immediately recognized the chemistry between Dr. Who and Clara (between their actors of course, who were somehow balanced in a way I haven't seen since the often-mentioned Cary Grant-Katherine Hepburn duo). The play of personalities worked phenomenally. But in her time with both doctors, and with all the doctors, she's righted the entire lifestream of Dr. Who, she's saved both him, the earth, and the universe several times over (not to mention talking the things on the other side of the crack into giving Who another rejuvenation), and much more, especially off-screen where a long-time fan has to figure out the points in Dr. Who's entire life where Clara has given him a nudge one way or another. And the Matt Smith Who seemed to recognize it immediately, what, he actually was off in a monastery somewhere for what seemed to be decades or at least years trying to figure her out. Then The Master thing somehow wanted to hook them up but obviously was very wrong about the reason why, the intent of the connection. Anyway, long story longer, am I near the reality of the show on this? What companions have you really enjoyed watching. Thanks. Randy Kryn 2:38 11 February, 2015 (UTC)

Hey Randy Kryn. I am not ignoring your question. I woke up with a head cold and have been drinking hot tea and napping for most of the day. I will try and give you my thoughts when time allows. MarnetteD|Talk 22:26, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Tea works but lots and lots of water does the trick too. Napping for most of the day? Tis the life. Get well soon, and thanks for the note. Randy Kryn 8:30 12 February, 2015 (UTC)

Hi again Randy Kryn. Things are finally getting on an even keel. As to the actors who had a wonderful chemistry as companions and Dr's; Frazer Hines Jamie and Pat Troughton's second Dr worked very well together and you could see how they brought out each other mischievous natures; Katy Manning's Jo Grant and Jon Pertwee's third Dr were well matched and their interaction in her last story The Green Death can still bring a tear to the eye of an old softy like me; Lis Sladen's Sarah Jane and Tom Baker's fourth Dr also had a chemistry that was wonderful. After that I think Sarah Sutton's Nyssa and Peter Davison's fifth Dr worked well together but it can get lost in the fact that there were four people in the TARDIS. I will have to get to the second part of you question later. Have a wonderful weekend. MarnetteD|Talk 22:21, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll look into some of those. I did work in some of the Wilde films/plays into the template, thanks for pointing them out. Been working on quite a few literary templates created by INeverCry, she's put up a good body of work. I've never looked at the Dr. Who templates, which are probably in good shape with the amount of fans around. Glad your cold is a thing of the past (as, I guess, everything is). Enjoy, Randy Kryn 11:37 16 February, 2015 (UTC)

A cupcake for you!

Thanks!!! Dante Dos (talk) 00:55, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Thank you Dante Dos. This virtual cupcake is delicious. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 22:09, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Harold Lloyd

This is rather good, 23 minutes range in particular is hilarious! I must aim to see all of Lloyd's existing films and Chaplin's.♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:59, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the link Dr. Blofeld. Many years ago an acting teacher was describing (and mimicking) how the great silent film comedians would enter a door. I will never forget his description how Lloyd would open and go through it with a simplicity that took every bit as much practice, and was as funny, as anything that Chaplin, Keaton, Arbuckle etc would do. Thanks again. MarnetteD|Talk 22:07, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

I know I said 1955 is a great year in film but 1957 really has a large number of great films and is definitely right up there. 1959 and 1962 in particular too. In fact 1957 might turn out to be better than 1955 after seeing more films! Have you seen Across the Bridge (film)? I've been meaning to see that for a while.♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:24, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

I haven't seen it Dr. Blofeld. Thanks for bringing it to my attention as it looks very interesting and I will keep my eye peeled for it. MarnetteD|Talk 15:37, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Steiger is really brilliant in it, plays the arrogant German to perfection, Oscar worthy.♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:11, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Brian Dennehy employment

Hi Marnette,

In reply to your deletion of my entry re Brian Dennehy's employment at Merrill Lynch in the mid 1970s, the source of this information is me. Brian and I were employees at Merrill at the time. One day, he informed me of his intention to get into acting. I had no knowledge of his training or experience in the acting field. Months later, I was delighted to see his appearance on a Kojak TV episode.

Obviously, employment records from Merrill Lynch will verify my statements. Other than that, I have no ability to "prove" that my statements are true.

Please advise if this is the proper method to make a submission.

Thank you.

Vinny Catalano — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.69.18.82 (talk) 21:18, 15 February 2015 (UTC) In searching the web, I noticed this reference to his employment at Merrill

http://www.tvguide.com/celebrities/brian-dennehy-142739/bio/

Note: I have no recollection that Martha Stewart worked in our office. I do know that Ms. Stewart did have a Merrill Lynch account in the Rockefeller Center office (6th ave.) years later when she was involved in insider trading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.69.18.82 (talk) 21:30, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Here is another more complete reference to his employment at Merrill.

http://www.college.columbia.edu/cct_archive/spr99/12a_fr.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.69.18.82 (talk) 21:32, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Last input: here is another reference to his Merrill employment, which states that Martha Stewart worked at Merrill but not necessarily in the same office (as I stated previously, I do not recall Ms. Stewart working in the Liberty Plaza office).

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001133/bio — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.69.18.82 (talk) 21:35, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Hello Vinny. Thanks for all your work in this situation. You are posting so fast I can't get a reply to you :-). Per WP:RS/IMDB that site cannot be used as a reference. Of the other two the Columbia College one is the best and meets WikiP's requirements for sourcing. You can reenter the item to BD's article and use it as a reference. Just copy and paste this <ref>http://www.college.columbia.edu/cct_archive/spr99/12a_fr.html</ref> at the end of the sentence. If there is any problem just let me know and I will do it for you but I would like your IP to get the credit for it. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 21:43, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Was there a Sizemore Sex Scandal?

Hello M, Thank you for previous help. I was wondering ...First, is it alright to contact you this way? Second, I researched and added info,etc to an existing Wiki Page The Tom Sizemore Sex Scandal , complete with links, etc. I then asked for help to change the title wording of this page. Tokyogirl79 responded: I'd probably recommend moving it to Tom Sizemore sex scandal, but then I'd also probably recommend merging it into the overall article for Sizemore at Tom_Sizemore#Personal_life. The article kind of comes across like it's a news article at times and a lot of it seems like it could be summarized and condensed into a few paragraphs. I'm going to work on cleaning the article up and unless more sources are available, I'll just merge/redirect. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 09:30, 17 February 2015 (UTC) I've moved and redirected it to Sizemore's article since there isn't enough coverage to warrant an entry. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 10:32, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

She pretty much deleted the article, claiming not enough coverage to warrant an entry?? The entry was there already...I didn't create it, just filled it in with pertinent info re scandal!! And it's being a hoax, set up to look like celebrity sex tape. I was wondering how to respond to this? Thank youDante Dos (talk) 17:50, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Hello Dante Dos. It is fine to contact me this way. I cannot access the original article so I can't comment on it. What I can say is that the mention at the Tom Sizemore article looks okay (with the caveat that I know nothing about the situation) to me and Tokyogirl79 is adding sourced info to it. WP:UNDUE might come into play here as, though the events around the tape and its release, merit a mention, it doesn't need detailed coverage in a separate article. I can also add that, to my knowledge, T is a reasonable editor with a long history of productive edits. Although I have not had contact with T I think that they would be willing to answer any questions you might have. You can also post questions and concerns on the talk page for TS's article. Now I know that this might not be the answers that you are looking for so my apologies for that. Best regards. MarnetteD|Talk 18:04, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Hello Marnette thanks for responding and for your advice. My error that I thought you could see the original pages thru history and comment. I am still learning to Navigate.But link seems to be somewhat unavailable? Here is history page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=The_Tom_Sizemore_Sex_Scandal&action=history

I will eventually speak with T...I'm waiting for some more objectivity..I happen to think people will find this 'scandal' and events surrounding it interesting and worthy.And perhaps it wasn't written fully quite right and needs editing like you mentioned. Thanks again — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dante Dos (talk • contribs) 19:14, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the link Dante Dos. I have never learned how to access a redirected articles history except for stumbling on it if I look at the edit history of the person that redirected the article in the first place. At two paragraphs I think that merging it into the TS article was the correct thing to do. Along with the UNDUE that I linked to above WP:NOTNEWS also applies. For me this story is more of a "you naughty boy" situation at the moment. That does not mean that the story might grow as time goes on, but, until then it does not merit a separate article. Now this is just my opinion and I can understand if you disagree. MarnetteD|Talk 19:35, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

First, click on the redirected link, The Tom Sizemore Sex Scandal. In this case it takes you to a section - don't worry about that, go to the top of the article. Just below the page title it says "(Redirected from The Tom Sizemore Sex Scandal)", click on that link. It takes you to the redirect proper, where you can click the History tab. --Redrose64 (talk) 01:04, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Jeepers all these years and I never new it was that easy. I am grateful for the info Redrose64 and I am always glad that my talk page is on your watchlist! Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 01:17, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Hypocritepedia

Thanks for the vigilance on this...you can see how dealing with this fellow after seven years can get a bit wearing. I hope you didn't get any of the pesky password resets I got Friday night. Nate • (chatter) 08:38, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Re :-)

Thanks for the kind words. Have a nice weekend too. Alansplodge (talk) 01:01, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

list of Michigan high schools

I restored the reversion you reverted. Say that fast three times, lol. The reason for removal was self evident in the copy removed, which stated the school was closed.John from Idegon (talk) 02:41, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the note and for fixing things John from Idegon. Three times "re" in one short sentence is a real tongue twister :-) MarnetteD|Talk 03:16, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Ned Sparks

Nothing in the least personal, just one of my pet peeves. Unless there is another person in the image, of course it shows the subject of the article. Best, BMK (talk) 01:19, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

No problem at all Beyond My Ken. I've been working to enhance captions for about a year now and was on automatic pilot when working with that one. Thanks for changing it back. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 01:50, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Goodfellas

Not sure why my attempt to improve the Goodfellas article with correct filming locations is being vetoed. Misplaced Pages has an article about Smith and 9th.

(https://en.wikipedia.org/Smith%E2%80%93Ninth_Streets_(IND_Culver_Line)

The same location is shown in the film. I am 100% certain since I work in and am very familiar with the area. Yet you are the one disrupting my efforts not the other way around. I have also worked on many film sets and have improved other articles without any resistance. The article should be accurate therefore so should the filming locations! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bags72 (talk • contribs) 03:57, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

The policies that you need to read have been linked in several edit summaries, on the talk page for the film and, in detail, by NinjaRobotPirate. If you are not going to read those and learn from them there isn't much else that anyone can do. MarnetteD|Talk 04:36, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

@Bags72: I'm sorry that you find this frustrating, but you're not going to get any further by breaking Misplaced Pages's policies. Misplaced Pages is not an indiscriminate repository of information; it's an encyclopedia. There's a big difference. An encyclopedia is built upon secondary reliable sources. If you want to post facts about films without digging up citations to secondary reliable sources, you should start a blog. Misplaced Pages is not the place for personal observations. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 05:17, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Please send me a link of those policies if you can. I would very much like to improve many of the articles that I read. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bags72 (talk • contribs) 05:49, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

As I said above the links have been provided numerous times in numerous places. If you cannot avail yourself of them there is nothing more that I can do for you. MarnetteD|Talk 14:33, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Twilight Zone

I just now noticed this weirdness in Jean Renoir (Filmography section). Somehow this edit makes code trash show up at the bottom of the Filmography listing section. Can you figure out how to fix it? Might even be best to revert to the old style if it can't be fixed? Thanks! :) Softlavender (talk) 03:25, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Jeepers Softlavender. I forgot to remove the middle column break command of the old style templates. The nice thing about the one I added is that it adjusts the columns automatically - the old style ones you had to do the math to find where to put the middle column template. Sad thing is I looked for it twice and I still missed it. D'oh. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 04:14, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for figuring it out. I frankly often find coding columns baffling and wish there were a concerted organized page on the various ways to format them (there isn't currently -- only the Illuminati seem to hold this vast secret knowledge). Softlavender (talk) 04:24, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi again Softlavender. The column commands that were used when I started were difficult to deal with. That is why I was happy when, a few years ago, they came up with the ones that I use now. You simply put this one {{div col|cols=2}} at the top of a section and this one {{div col end}} at the bottom and that is all you ever have to do. No matter how many items (like films) get added the columns adjust automatically. Now when it comes to the 839 different ways to create a table I find them every bit as much of a mystery as you find columns. Regards. MarnetteD|Talk 04:44, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

What about when you want a lot of columns (for instance for short items like names, highways, etc., in an article where the information shouldn't take up too much space or emphasis)? Do you just change the number? Softlavender (talk) 04:48, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Hmm. I am not sure. You can change the 2 to any number that you would like. The only thing I have seen that your example brings to mind are a few filmographies that were split into silent and sound - or "as actor" and "as director" etc - in that case a subheader is used like these - ;Silent and ;Sound that look like this

Silent

and

Sound

and then put a separate set of column commands for each one. Alternatively you can use (and you may be more familiar with) ===Silent=== and ===Sound===

Now you are probably familiar with a lot of this and, if not, my description might be confusing so maybe you can link me to an article where you want to use them next time you encounter one and I will see if I can help. If not I can recommend someone can. It is late here so I may not see any other posts you make until tomorrow - my time :-) MarnetteD|Talk 05:11, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

The {{div col}}/{{div col end}} technique doesn't just remove the need to work out where the column breaks are, it's also good for accessibility since it's kept as one list - using {{col-2}} etc. splits it into two or more lists.

You can change the number in the |cols=2 parameter to any reasonable integer, to set that number of columns; but that means that you are making assumptions on the available width on the reader's screen. It's better to set the minimum column width, and this is what I did at Misplaced Pages:Meetup/UK#Oxford. Here, I see four columns across: but you might see more, or less than four. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:17, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks R. Softlavender Redrose64 is the person to ask about technical things around here. Always helpful or it least able to direct you to where to go to get answers. Cheers to you both. MarnetteD|Talk 15:25, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Children's literature, and other children

Hi. Continuing from Misplaced Pages talk space after a 2-hour break:

Regarding WP Children's lit, and also previous non-discussion of the issue what is "children's", see Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Children's literature/Archive 3#Middle Grade and Young Adult. Also search that 2011–2014 archive for my name 'P64' and you'll see evidence that the project is rather dead --if the 4-year span of its Archive 3 is not enough evidence!

I have been exceptionally active at EN.wikipedia during the last few years --roughly 2011–2014; i'm not in archive 1 or 2-- but I arrived too late for much Children's lit activity.

For what it's worth, I suppose that "child actors" are narrowly defined by age and "child writers" broadly defined by age not because the Film project is more up-to-date than the Novels project concerning what is a "child" but because pre-teen actors are numerous and pre-teen writers (of publications) few. S. E. Hinton, et al, are called "child writers" because they have published writings at so early an age as anyone does; even in U.S. high school (in this case), so few people write anything that is published.

Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Categories (I'm somewhat active, yet overlooked it earlier) is another place where it may be worthwhile to post. While enjoying freshly draughn beer during the last two hours it occurred to me that that may really be the best place. I will now post notice of your issue there, but will not tell the three substantial wikiprojects that I do so.

 Done Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Categories#Children are pre-teens, right?

--P64 (talk) 01:13, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your updates and info P64. As I dig into the memory banks I think my biggest disconnect was claiming that people under the age of 21 were "children" and categorizing Alex from A Clockwork Orange seemed absurd to me. In the thread at the film project another editor found that the age had been changed from age 16 (I might be wrong there) to 21 at some point. I like the solution that the film project came up with but the fact that "young adult" is a term (and a whole section at many bookstores!) adds to the mix in the discussions at the various book projects. Thanks again for all your efforts - as to the beer you are enjoying I am jealous. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 01:28, 13 March 2015 (UTC)