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Current requests

Sarner

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user:DPeterson filed by this user.

user:Sarner Harasses me, makes false accusations, recently posted "vandalism" on my user talk page without any basis.

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user:Sarner has been warned by others and previous mediation failed and resulted in his "soft-ban" from Bowlby page and ban from editing Barrett page.

Yes, but did you tell him of this RfAr? Morgan Wick 18:10, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Confirmation that other steps in dispute resolution have been tried

Sarner has shown no desire to develop consensus or to collaborate. Several mediators and an advocate have been involved in the prior dispute on the Bowlby page. Several other editors have also been the victim of his attacks.

Statement by DPeterson

Sarner placed a "vandalism" notice on my talk page. There is no basis for this. He has harassed me with false accusations and attacks. He has resisted building consensus or collaborating, resulting in his ban from editing the Barrett page and Bowlby page. He is now taking this fight to my talk page. DPeterson 15:33, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

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Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter (0/0/0/0)

Intangible

Involved parties

User:Cberlet

User:Intangible

Summary of case

Intangible engages in:

1. Reverting with little or no serious discussion
2. Making sweeping edits and deletions with misleading subject lines
3. Contentious and confrontational discussion page interactions
4. Walking editors in circles on discussion pages
5. Idiosyncratic use of language and translations
6. Attempts to revise Misplaced Pages categories citing obscure minority-view scholarship to reflect narrow POV
7. Revising articles citing obscure minority-view scholarship to reflect narrow POV
8. Sanitizing articles about right-wing groups and their ties to the far right and neofascism
9. POV pushing through wholesale deletion of the term "far right" from numerous pages

Seeking sanctions to block further editing by Intangible of articles involving the Political Left and Political Right, or other less severe sanctions deemed appropriate.

Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request

User:Cberlet (filed by this editor)

User:Intangible

Other Editors Notified

LucVerhelst

WGee

AaronS

Dahn

Tazmaniacs

Vision Thing

Confirmation that other steps in dispute resolution have been tried

Requests for Comment for Talk:Fascism and Talk:Nazism here; Talk:Cultural Marxism here; Talk:Nouvelle_Droite here

Mediation declined at Neo-fascism here; Fascism here; Nouvelle_Droite here; Cultural Marxism here.

Statement by Cberlet (talk · contribs)

Intangible is an aggressive and confrontational editor with an idiosyncratic POV and a combative style that is contentious and very disruptive. Intangible deletes whole sections of articles with little or no serious discussion: Neo-fascism here. Intangible performs unreasonable deletions to POV push: here, here, here, here.

Intangible has launched a campaign or Renaming/Deleting Categories in POV way here, here, here, here, here, here.

In a short time Intangible has lined up a number of editors who are frustrated with the situation (see below). I note that Intangible has been blocked for 3RR here. Also, Intangible edits in a tag team fashion with User:Vision_Thing, see here and here.

The discussion on the page Nouvelle_Droite is an example of dubious translation and language issues, using an obscure cite to challenge majority scholarship, POV pushing, and arguing in circles. See: here.

Intangible engages in rapid-fire discussions on multiple pages, frequently declaring there is a consensus when none exists or that there is no discussion, has the same debate on multiple pages with multiple editors, then procedes to edit in an idiosyncratic POV way. The following series of edits was accomplished between the time I last asked for agreement for mediation and Intangibleresponding that he could not discuss the suggestion because an artitration was filed. I filed the arbitration because it was clear that Intangible was going to continue his pattern of disruptive and combative edits and circular discussion page entries: ,, , , , , , , , , , .

There are several editors who have added their comments and diffs below.

--Cberlet 15:40, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Statement by User:Intangible

• This RFAr filing has no merit. I have only declined mediation once, namely here, because there was still an on-going discussion on Neo-Fascism#Section on the United States, which continued here. About my editing, I think it suffices to say that all my edits are sourced (to name a few) and I am always happy to provide direct quotes from the sources I use . On multiple occasions I have asked User:Cberlet to use direct quotes or make explicit what his references are saying , alas to no avail. That this was needed was also put forth by other wikipedia editors . And in the rare cases User:Cberlet is explicit, he uses a piece from the Institute for Historical Review#Journal of Historical Review, while other sources should be available.
• About my deletion of the section in the Neo-Fascism article , that that section was unbalanced and POV, which was later acknowledged here
• About putting up articles or categories up for deletion, maybe User:Cberlet should have included these as well: . See also Misplaced Pages:Words to avoid#Words implying a value judgement.
• I have only been blocked once for "3RR," this was because other editors kept removing a POV tag, after I went to the talk page to discuss my inclusion of this tag. One of these editors, User:AaronS, was later found to be in contempt with the 3RR rule in removing this POV tag.. See also User_talk:Intangible#User_notice:_temporary_3RR_block.
• The goal which User:Cberlet seeks in this RFAr, "Seeking sanctions to block further editing by Intangible of articles involving the Political Left and Political Right, or other less severe sanctions deemed appropriate," is utterly vague. I can only see this process as a character assassination; something that has become a custom of User:Cberlet ever since calling me an "apologist for neofascism." I do not think ArbCom should also become part of this. Nonetheless, if need be, I am happy to defend this case more fully, to stop this pestering.
• Intangible 23:33, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Comment by AaronS

User:Intangible engaged in edit warring with regard to the article on anarchism, and was eventually blocked for violating WP:3RR. In violation of WP:V, he insisted on inserting a dubious claim into the article's lead. When asked to back up the claim, he provided a nearly 120 year-old, unreliable source. When that was removed, he claimed that the article violated NPOV and inserted a POV tag. He repeatedly re-inserted this tag, regardless of whoever removed it. He continues to edit the article with POV/false information. Discussion proved fruitless, as Intangible feels strongly about his original research. His POV bias became clear when he claimed that being a socialist was incompatible with supporting liberty. Much the same thing occurred at Template_talk:Anarchism, and he disruptively edited the template to prove a point. I only ask that Intangible be reminded, at least, of WP:V, WP:OR, WP:Reliable sources, and WP:NPOV. --AaronS 20:40, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Comment by LucVerhelst

Intangible has a very confrontational style. He seems to be unable to accept changes that are outside what he believes is the truth. The only way to bring NPOV into such articles, seems to be to go along with his tendency to start an edit war, an hoping that during the conflict a third party can convince him to partially concede.

I seem to find it harder and harder to go along with this confrontational style, and have a tendency to give up, letting him have his POV-truth.

Some examples :

• 12 July 2006 Vlaams Belang While reverting vandalism, Intangible reverted good faith edits by TedMundy. After a revert back by TedMundy, new revert by Intangible ("use the talk page first when you want to remove references here"). Revert back by TedMundy, commenting "What references ? I edited the text, made it better. No need to ask permission first, I should think.", upon which Intangible reverts back again : "I don't have time for silly games, so use the talk page first". I step in, and revert back : "I don't see why user TedMundy should first confer on the talk page". New revert from Intangible : "surely it can be included though". Revert back from myself :"I agree with TedMundy. This belongs in the Vlaams Blok article", upon which Intangible goes to my talk page : . My answer on his talk page : , upon which Intangible reverts back Vlaams Belang : "instead of proving a POINT, I will add the reference back again". Another revert from me, following some edits by me and another user, and a final revert back by that other user, accompanied by a personal attack by that user on me and TedMundy on the talk page.
• Centre for Equal Opportunities and Opposition to Racism, 15 July 2006. Between edits and  : discussion between myself and Intangible about the content of the criticism section. Intangible inserts the vision of a minority far right group, using weasel words, trying to depict them as mainstream. I tried to find some middle ground, but I gave up.
• July 18, Guido Demoor Guido Demoor recently died in Antwerp, Belgium. Initially, press coverage led to believe that he was the victim of a beating by 6 youths of North African descent. Later was revealed that he himself had far right connections, that he initiated the fight in question, and that his death was primarily caused by his bad condition, and only circumstantially by the fight (that he started himself). The article as it is now depicts only the first, racially coloured story. I've tried to bring NPOV into it, giving two independent sources, but my edits were plainly reverted by Intangible, while commenting : "rv to sane version - see talk page". The page meanwhile has been blocked. The discussion on changes continues on the talk page, where he refuses to cooperate to find a middle ground, but instead suffises with trying to minimise the value of the sources provided. --LucVerhelst 21:52, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Comment by WGee

Intangible is a very tendentious editor who has consistently demonstrated an incapacity or unwillingness to refrain from promoting his point of view in political articles. I have observed his intransigent, partisan editing style in the National Front article, in particular. He single-handedly commandeered the article (being blocked as a result ) to remove the term far-right as a description of the party, claiming that the definition of the term is ambiguous and that the word therefore cannot be used in a neutral sense. This is despite a consensus in the political science establishment (and among the involved editors, with Intangible being the sole excpetion, of course) that the National Front is far-right. In other words, he resorted to a specious, tangential argument about semantics to minimise a consensus among some of the most reputable, scholarly sources and to promote his point of view that the FN is not far-right. Information on Misplaced Pages is supposed to be derived from reputable sources—that is one of the core tenets of this encyclopedia. But Intangible's ignorance of reputable sources in the National Front article indicates that he/she is willing to violate the essence of Misplaced Pages when the sources contradict his/her beliefs. That is something I find roundly unacceptable. -- WGee 23:47, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Comment by Tazmaniacs

Intangible has the right to his own opinions, but not to delete the term "far right" from a serie of articles and categories. Does he thinks, as does Marine Le Pen, Jean-Marie Le Pen's daughter, that Le Pen has gone too far? Does he think, as do most European far right parties (including Jorg Haider) that the French Front National is not a respectable party, and should become so by deleting the reference to its being a (proud) member of the far right? Despite his apparent knowledge (Intangible often likes bringing quotes from various books, showing a scholarly profile), he has nothing else more important to do than endlessly removing these NPOV terms used by all political scientists ("left" & "right wing" being particularly relevant to France, as explained a thousand times to him during the deletion debate of left & right wing categories; see third nomination for deletion for the last one of them]. Having discovered the recently created article on Far right leagues, based on the French fr:ligues d'extrême-droite, a obvious and necessary article (and category) to regroup such similar groups such as de la Rocque's Croix-de-Feu, Marcel Bucard's Francisme, the Jeunesses Patriotes, etc., Intangible has only one desire: asking for its deletion, or at least separating it into "fascist" and "nationalist leagues". He thus proposes a new CfD (proposing ten CfD at the same time, all about the same subject), here. This new CfD is an obvious trolling attempt. Two solutions possible: either Intangible is not an idiot, and knows what he's doing. In this case, he would wisely limits himself to articles he knows something about, and let others of which he is ignorant alone. Anybody familiar with French far right leagues know that breaking this category up into "nationalist" leagues on one hand, "fascist leagues" on the other hand, would be very difficult, as it engages all of the debate on the existence on a "French Fascism" (while the term "far right leagues" doesn't imply if these leagues were fascist or not; that they were "nationalist" is an evidence, of which Intangible is of course aware). Thus Intangible is only asking this CfD to make us loose time on Misplaced Pages. Of course, Misplaced Pages will survive without us, and we could let Intangible at his little work. If he wisely uses his summmer, he could end up deleting tens of categories and the use of the term "right" and "far right" from hundreds of articles where the consensus between editors agreed on its use. The other solution, of course, is that Intangible is an idiot, whom interfers in articles he knows nothing about with only his ideological stance as navigational tool. This would explain why he doesn't find time to make more interesting edits (should I add: and combative? There are lots of smarter ways to support far right parties than by erasing the term "far right" from its pages, Intangible has got a defensive posture that puts him in an agressive, biting, position; if he had real, relevant info to defend his views, why doesn't he adds them instead of losing time in edit-warring over the silly inclusion or not of "far right" in the Front National page, although 99% of Frenchmen and all political polls class it as a far right party?) Let me tell you that I don't believe Intangible is an idiot, but he has dedicated himself to provoking others users in stupid, time-consuming, edit-warring, because Intangible seems to be part of this ultra-minority of people (a group which has nothing new, in the same way that Fukuyama's predictions on the end of history and the victory of the liberal democracies were about 50 years late on the same statements made (with a little bit more irony) by Kojève) that doesn't believe anymore in the distinction left-right inherited from the French Revolution. Should we recall that fascism was the first movement to declare itself above these political lines which divided the nation, instead of the nation gathering itself around its fuhrer and against all strangers, Jews, Black people (anti-Black racism in Nazi Germany is often overlooked), Gays, disabled people, communists and all other obviously "degenerated artists"? Someone who has nothing else on Misplaced Pages to do then enter conflicts with other users because he wants to remove all references to "left" and "right wing" obviously has nothing interesting to bring to us, but plenty of occasions to troll around. Here are a few more trollish edits by Intangible, deletion of "far right", July 20, Ibid, Nouvelle Droite, July 20, Same, one hour later - I let him here, will reverse just now, let's see in how much times he rv this - ) ] ), Ibid, Front National, July 20, after having just been reversed by User:Rama. Deletion of "far right" at GRECE: June 4, a few hours later, trying to keep "far right" out of the text, including it only in the last lines, deletion of critics, and on July 20, , , ... A non-exhaustive list may be found on Cberlet's workspace, here. Tazmaniacs 14:02, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

PS: Intangible's pretext that "left", "right" and "far right" are terms that should be censored on behalf of Misplaced Pages:Words to avoid#Words implying a value judgement is ridiculous. First of all, politics is about value judgments, so he can let aside his pure innocence and naivety. More importantly, The Front National article clearly provides its sources for its qualification as "far right" which is almost universally recognized. Politics is about taking sides, although it's also about lying about one's own position and the others' positions; this doesn't take out the reality of the "left-wing" criteria, and in any cases, if Intangible really has problems with this distinction, this debate should take place at Left-right politics and nowhere else. Furthermore, his comment about Cberlet's use of a Journal of Historical Review article in the Nouvelle Droite article is close to an ad hominen attack where he tries to reverse the charge and let Cberlet pass as a revisionist. This is quite indecent especially in the views that Cberlet's citation was there to source a quote from Alain de Benoist, that the article is about a far right movement not totally unrelated with the revisionist galaxy, and all the more if you see a bit the debate on the "Nouvelle droite" talk page: Intangible is trying since a month to transform the Nouvelle Droite in the New Right, forcing Cberlet to endlessly repeat the same evidences. If this isn't trolling, than what is? Tazmaniacs 14:20, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

• Intangible's July 22 edit at FN (removal of "far right" and other contents)
• July 22 edit at Le Pen (dl "far right")

Comment by other editor 2

Clerk notes

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Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter (1/0/0/0)

• Accept. Dmcdevit·t 16:33, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Warren Kinsella

Involved parties

Arthur Ellis

Pete Peters

CJCurrie

209.217.93.60

209.217.66.179

207.35.190.72

72.136.201.103

69.157.70.145

Ceraurus

et al

Users who have attempted to defuse the situation

RadioKirk

Crzrussian

Geedubber

Fuhghettaboutit

Yanksox

et al

Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request

Confirmation that other steps in dispute resolution have been tried

Several users, including at least two administrators, have attempted to mediate to no avail.

List of affected articles

• Mark Bourrie (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Warren Kinsella (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Pierre Bourque (journalist) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Rachel Marsden (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Elizabeth May (environmentalist) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

other editors feel free to add more, this is probably an incomplete list

Statement by RadioKirk (talk · contribs)

A long-running war has occurred over this page with one side (and his/her/their socks) attempting to paint this person in the best light possible and the other side (and his/her/their socks) attempting to paint him in the worst possible light. Attempts at mediation have been manifold and have met with only limited success. It is time for several accounts to be banned from this article and anything peripheral (including but not limited to Mark Bourrie, who may be editing this article under different names).

Statement by Thatcher131

My involvement I have not edited any of the articles in question. I became aware of the situation when a number of Canadian IP addresses vandalized Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/Ceraurus, adding slurs against Warren Kinsella.

The problem Warren Kinsella and Mark Bourrie are two Canadian bloggers/political figures who are in conflict in real life, including reciprocal threats of legal action. The dispute is spilling over into wikipedia, with tendentious editing, POV pushing and multiple 3RR violations on all sides. Unfortunately, most of the participants are anonymous IP addresses, so the only practical remedy (other than permanently semi-protecting the articles involved) may be to empower admins to block IP addresses that fit the pattern without having to warn 4 times and assume good faith.

• Mark Bourrie formerly edited as Mark Bourrie (talk · contribs), changed his name to Ceraurus (talk · contribs), who was then indef-blocked. A few days later, Arthur Ellis (talk · contribs) appeared, editing the same articles and pushing the same POV (pro-Bourrie and anti-Kinsella). The article Mark Bourrie has also been heavily edited by a number of IP addresses likely linked to Ellis. On July 5, Warren Kinsella posted links on his blog to Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/Ceraurus and User:70.51.52.253, which described allegations that Arthur Ellis, was really Mark Bourrie. Immediately, a series of Canadian IP addresses began blanking the pages and posting slurs against Kinsella, so that readers of Kinsella's blog would see the slurs and not the sockpuppet allegations. Pro-Bourrie and anti-Kinsella IPs and socks continue to appear. See Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/Arthur Ellis. Policy violations include WP:NPA, WP:OWN, WP:AUTO, WP:BLP, WP:NLT.

• Warren Kinsella The article Mark Bourrie has been edited from a highly negative POV by an IP user (different ISP than Arthur Ellis) who is probably Kinsella or a strong supporter.

• Pierre Bourque is a supporter of Kinsella and thus an opponent of Bourrie/Arthur Ellis. Ellis has alleged that Pete Peters (talk · contribs) (whose first edit was June 27) is really Bourque, but the checkuser request was declined. However, a different IP has made a number of hagiographic and personal edits to the article, suggesting that this IP may in fact be Bourque; this has led to more than one edit war between anonymous IPs representing the Bourrie side and the Bourque/Kinsella side.

Reply to Pete Peters I have not studied the situation any more thoroughly than the brief summary above and have no opinion on your identity or behavior, except that in general there has been a lot of edit warring on these articles from both sides. My comment on Mackensen's talk page was in reference to the anonymous IP addresses that began vandalizing Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/Ceraurus after Kinsella linked to it on his blog (said vandalism coming, of course, from the anti-Kinsella side of the conflict).

Reply to JGGardiner I saw the notice on ANI regarding Peters and I agree it looked like Peters was trying to branch out to other areas and was being hounded by the same range of IPs that often make pro-Bourrie/Ellis and anti-Kinsella edits.

Statement by Fuhghettaboutit (talk · contribs)

My role in this matter was quite limited. Having noted the contention displayed by numerous, warring contributors to the page, and that some of that contention was specific to whether certain sources and information provided by those sources was proper or not, I hoped that converting the sources, then all embedded hyperlinks, to more transparent inline citations would have some ameliorative effect. I did so (along with a few minor stylistic changes) first here and after the next reference addition failed to follow suit, again here.

I have not followed the dispute in great detail but a review of the talk page today, including the two archives (A1, A2), shows great effort and patience by a number of users and admins to defuse the situation over more than six months. Despite these efforts, and after over 500 talk page posts, the page is at square one. This early edit shows how charged the page is and is likely to remain.

I leave it for the those more familiar with the active players to explore exactly who should and who should not be blocked from editing this and related articles, but given the active recent warring, blocks appear warranted and necessary.--Fuhghettaboutit 00:22, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Statement by Crzrussian (talk · contribs)

I originally came to be involved in the edit war over Warren Kinsella after reviewing and denying this bad-faith AIAV report by User:Arthur Ellis against User:Pete Peters. Since then the edit war simmered on and off on the article talk page. The article was protected and unprotected a total of eight times. Arthur Ellis received two blocks from me, both for 24 hours, for 3RR violations. He's still serving the second block as I write these words. His sock, User:Marie Tessier was indefblocked by me earlier today after RFCU results came back positive. Pete is serving a one-week block imposed today for sustained edit warring, a bad-faith AfD nomination (Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Mark Bourrie) and repeated taunting of Arthur on the article talk page. Please note that I was only involved with these users insofar as Warren Kinsella, and did not participate in settling their other edit wars over different articles. Arthur also nominated for CSD and AfD in bad faith previously. (e.g. Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Hot Nasties etc.)

Both editors have a long history of personal attacks, many coming against myself recently. "Marie" also made unspecified legal-sounding threats against me, which are plainly scary.

I would like the ArbCom to ban these users and various Ottawa- and Toronto-based socks from editing any article relating to Kinsella/Bourrie/Bourque/Guite - I would be glad to help compile a list if this case is accepted.

I am sorry I did not bring this RfAr a lot earlier. It was a result of my unfamiliarity with and fear of this process, bourne out of my extreme aversion to wiki-politics. - CrazyRussian talk/email 02:59, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: the accusations of partiality towards Peters and against Ellis, yes, I did initially treat Ellis more strictly, because he was the one intent on actively slandering Kinsella and Peters looked like he was defending the integrity of the article (this may or may not have been the case, but this was my goodfaith impression. As to the disparity in block lengths, Ellis' 24hr block was handed out earlier, before the RFCU came back, and only on the basis of 3RR. An another situation, I would have certainly extended it after the RFCU, but now that the RfAr has begun, I see no point. As to Peters' block: I continue to stand by it; the length was preëmptively explained; and I vigorously deny making it longer than normal in order to shield myself from allegations of partiality. - CrazyRussian talk/email 16:44, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Reply to Arthur Ellis #2: No, I did not "admit bias". I was, at all points, not biased, and have no dog in this fight. Also, I did not "stuff" any talk page comments into archives - I merely archived the talk page, preserving all the comments. You have a penchant for negative presumptions. - CrazyRussian talk/email 19:53, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Statement by Geedubber (talk · contribs)

I first got involved with this when I noticed Pete Peters had accused Arthur Ellis of being Ceraurus/Mark Bourrie on the Mark Bourrie page. I told him that these were unacceptable edits and that RFCU was the correct place for those accusations. I myself had the same suspicions though, since Ellis' very first edit was to complain about the Ceraurus block. After two RFCU requests, the result came back inconclusive. Arthur Ellis then filed a revenge RFCU against Pete Peters(which was promptly denied). I noticed that Arthur Ellis had been block for 24hrs for edit-warring with Pete Peters on the Warren Kinsella page. The Kinsella page got protected so I went and found citations for everything so that nothing could be disputed and the page could be unprotected. The page got unprotected and was generally improved, but Arthur Ellis kept trying to add material with dubious sources, ie. kinsellasux.com (a website operated by Mark Bourrie). I would remove anything that wasn't sourced properly, and he almost got in an edit war with me. When I warned him that he was about to break 3RR again (and get blocked for a second time that week), he accused me of acting "dishonestly and maliciously". I reworked much of the Kinsella page trying to get a version that pleased both users. Arthur Ellis and Pete Peter got in an edit war again, the page got protected again, and I tried to work things out on the talk page. The page got unprotected and I made a version that they were both chill with.... and then the Ottawa IPs started attacking the page. It got protected again. Other pages that are involved in this whole thing are the Hot Nasties and The Invasion of the Tribbles (both Kinsella related topics). Ellis repeatedly tried to list them for CSD even though numerous admins told him that AFD was the proper venue. During the AFD for those two pages numerous Magma IPs voted to delete. Geedubber 05:10, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Response to Statement by Arthur Ellis: In Ellis's statment, he claims that he uses a Sympatico (Bell Canada) account to connect, but he even made that claim from a Magma IPGeedubber 19:25, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Statement by Yanksox (talk · contribs)

My limited experience in this dispute has only been really on the Kinsella talk page attempting to resolve this aggressive disagreement. I have seen the actions of specifically Ellis and Peters take their action on other pages and belligerently attack each other, the subjects of articles and other users. Their behavior is persistent and it appears that they are editing with an agenda, no approachable middle ground has made itself clearly visible and within reach. The situation has extended so far out with minor meticulous edits with different sources and alterations of POV. The current dispute is also extremely concerning due to the fact that users are stating that the main editors involved in the dispute are influenced by outside circumstances, causing a severe conflict of interest. This massive revert war has spread out too far and outside intervention is needed to put it to a halt. Yanksox 11:47, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Statement by Arthur Ellis (talk · contribs)

No effort was made at mediation or any other dispute resolution. Two admins, one of whom admits his bias against me (for "slandering" Kinsella with sourced material -- I challenge him to find anything I posted that was not sourced) and another who does not admit bias, but should, have been involved in this dispute. When consensus was achieved on the article -- July 1 and July 8 -- admin crazyrussian actually allowed Peters to dismantle the consensus version. This is very clear in the talk page and the edits for those dates. Crazyrussian very quickly stuffed them into archives, but they survive.

I edited on Misplaced Pages for about a month before I ever saw the Kinsella page. I added quite a bit of material to entries on history, transportation and geography without any edit warring or reversions.

I found myself drawn into the controversy after reading the Kinsella entry and seeing that it was, originally, a vanity project to promote Kinsella and in related pages, his band and his book, Party Favours. I, along with a couple of other posters, sourced and wrote a more accurate section on Kinsella's role in the lead-up to the Sponsorship Scandal. It was constantly reverted and rewritten, often by an IP that once actually said it was Kinsella (giving permission to use a photo) to downplay Kinsella's role in this, admittedly, complicated ad contract scheme. The "sponsorshgip scandal" cost Canadian taxpayers $100 million in graft and kickbacks, and resulted in the national Liberal Party being disgraced and defeated this year. After my first edits of the Kinsella piece Pete Peters registered (in late June) and immediately began trolling my edits, posting sock puppet tags on my talk page, and, everywhere he could, tried to discredit my edits by saying I was a sock puppet for a Misplaced Pages editor whose account is indefintely blockled because of a revert war with (ironically), Homeontherange. In fact, his first Misplaced Pages post was to accuse me of sock puppetry.

We got into edit warring on several pages, and my behaviour was quite reprehensible. I did work with a couple of people in Ottawa through IPs to try to keep the sourced and complete Kinsella entry. I did use some IPs as socks in this dispute, but I was not the only one. I wish I had not acted that way, but I believe it is important for Misplaced Pages to be factual. I also believe that Pete Peters both registered and acted in bad faith, goaded me, and got quite good at pushing my buttons. I believe he was also very good, at least for a while, at currying favor with Misplaced Pages admins, especially Crzrussian.

I believe I never initiated personal attacks. I did, however, respond aggressively to repeated (and repeated and repeated) provocations by Pete Peters and, to a lesser extent, JCCUrrie and Geedubber. In the discussion, which I hope you will read, I ask them time and again to deal with facts of the entry -- each of which was sourced -- and discuss the points they believe are wrong, but, from Peters, I got personal abuse. CrzRussian, believing, as he says, that I was "slandering" (in print it's called libel, but, hey, who's a lawyer around here?) Kinsella, simply ignored my arguments, reverted my changes, and help set me up for 3RR. As well, he, along with radioKirk, ignored all the complaints I made to them on their user pages about Peters and anonymous IPs trolling talk pages and edit summaries saying I was Mark Bourrie. Nothing was ever done to control this trolling/outing. As well, they refused to block Peters when I pointed out he had broken the 3RR.

Please look at the talk pages for these two admins to see how they dealt with Peters and me. In both cases, the admins and Peters worked very amiably indeed. Crzrussian touches on this very lightly, when, in fact, a review of the Warren Kinsella talk pages shows how blatant this was. Radiokirk actually coached Peters on ways to make Bourrie (believing it was me) look bad in the Kinsella article (see their talk page discussions of July 3) while at the same time refusing to stop Peters from, essentially, gutting the entry.

I want to stress that the Wiki article on Kinsella, as it stands now, is properly sourced and is accurate. Geedubber is disengeneous when he says some material came from "kinsellasux.blogspot.com". This material was, in fact, Lexis Nexis printouts of articles from major Canadian newspapers assembled as an archive by the poster. He knew very well that was the case, reverted a version of the entry that used one of these articles, then goaded me by saying my reverts were used up. I then called him dishonest, and I still do believe he was.

On July 1, and on July 8, various posters worked out compromises on the Kinsella page. It took about a day, with the help, mainly, of crzrussian. Both times, Peters flounced at the first sign of compromise, then came back and changed the compromise version of the article. What was more aggravating, though, was that crzrussian, who had obviously (until July 18) adopted Peters' cause, not only allowed this to happen but also ran interference for him.

As for the Bourrie AfD, not a single IP voted on it before crzrussian had the good sense to (finally) shut it down. One IP did post that Bourrie had some 86,000 Google hits, after Peters posted that Bourrie had no profile at all on Google.

As for "Marie Tessier", the checkuser came back "likely", not, as crzrussian says, positive. I don't know how they came to this decision. It is certainly not through IP checks. I take it she (it) and I edited several pages in common. I think everyone involved in the Kinsella fight did. Maybe she was an onlooker. I don't know. I have a Sympatico (Bell Canada) account. Bell and a Canadian cable company, Rogers, split the high-speed business in my city of 1 million people. They use extremely fluid IPs. Mine changes every hour or two. I don't believe there's any way, other than a bizarre coincidence, that Tessier and I have the same IP. We certainly did not have the same IP number at the same time. There may be "blocks" of Sympatico IPs in Ottawa. They would be very large blocks indeed, tens of thousands of IP numbers. Blocking all Ottawa Sympatico IPs, as has been suggested, would put half of Canada's capital off Misplaced Pages. Another person in this discussion suggested blocking the National Library/National Archives of Canada. I won't bother to address that brainwave.

I don't really care whether I'm on Misplaced Pages anymore. I must say it has been an unpleasant, unfulfilling experience. I volunteered my time, talent and expertise, and I took a lot of abuse. I also became angry enough to give abuse back, and the experience makes me ill. I do hope you will look at the various versions of the listing and look at the sourcing and decide for yourselves which one is best.

I did a WHO IS on the IP that has posted several threats on the Mark Bourrie entry, including one today (re: his membership in the Canadian press gallery; sending derogatory material to his thesis supervisors, etc):

IP Address  : 207.35.190.72

ISP  : Bell Canada

Organization : Pollara

Location  : CA, Canada

City  : Toronto, ON m5r1c1

CustName: Pollara

Address: 101 Yorkville, Suite 301

City: Toronto

StateProv: Ontario

PostalCode: M5R 1C1

Country: CA

This is the address of Warren Kinsella's office.

Also interesting that Crazyrussian would block Pete Peters partly for bad faith AfD of Mark Bourrie after Crazyrussian and Peters had this discussion on the Warren Kinsella discussion page:

Merge Debate I was wondering should we just Merge the Mark Bourrie entry as a paragraph in the WK entry? Pete Peters 01:46, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Put up the template and we'll see. Arthur Ellis 01:59, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

I am not too sure how to do it. But thank you Arthur for deleting my question on the Mark Bourrie discussion page. Pete Peters 02:03, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, if outing Misplaced Pages editors is your bag, perhaps you should tell us all about yourself. If you think people really want to see the Bourrie and Kinsella pages merged, go ask one of your admin pals to do it for you. Or quit making mischief.Arthur Ellis 02:04, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Huh? Pete Peters 02:06, 20 July 2006 (UTC) Perhaps I should re-phrase. Without Kinsella, Bourrie would have never gotten a wiki entry. My point is not to merge the two, but to make Bourrie a paragraph in the Kinsella entry. Pete Peters 02:10, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Put Bourrie up for deletion, then. Arthur Ellis 02:59, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Use

It has been suggested that this page be merged into Warren Kinsella. (Discuss)

- CrazyRussian talk/email 03:04, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Arthur Ellis 20:32, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Any suggestion that I knowingly "coached" anyone into anything other than mutual cooperation and NPOV is quickly demonstrated ridiculous. RadioKirk (u|t|c) 07:46, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Statement by Pete Peters

(Currently blocked, copied from User talk:Pete Peters by Thatcher131)

MY STATEMENT, it is long, but being a primary sunject in this dispute, I believe that it is just to be this long

Hello all Wikipedians!!! Who here would like to nominate me as an Administrator? Okalay Doke.

Let me start off by saying that as a new user, I wasn't too sure how the whole Wiki culture worked. When harsh words were used against me, I fought back with similar words. Which was wrong. Since I had never experienced an exchange between two users before, I thought this was the norm. As I got more involved with Misplaced Pages, I changed my tone to match the community spirit.

The issue I have is that one person and his anon IPs should not be allowed to dominate the Warren Kinsella or Pierre Bourque (journalist) with a clear POV, and IMO to simply settle a personal dispute. That is the issue, and I have long argued that I would become scarce if Arthur Ellis and his anon IPs would simply stop contributing to the page altogether.

IMO this article was coveted by one individual, who would bully people with opposing view by editors. . Further more, who I had thanked for saving my page from vandalism, became victim of similar attacks by an annon user from Ottawa, and if you read his talk page, you can see the result. (Please note that the comments made against him have been deleted from the record.)

As for accusing Arthur of being a sock of Cereaus, I later stopped that, as it became obvious that Misplaced Pages Admin would not sanction such behaviour. Thus I did improve my behaviour, and began to move onto other things. (But I now see that everyone else is saying that Arthur is a sock puppet, from a RFCU that had very little evidence.)

If one accuses me of Bad faith regarding the AFD of the Mark Bourrie entry, they may be right in that regards. I did this as a sting operation, my goal was to illustrate the Sock Puppet antics by Ottawa based IPs who would flood the page in an attempt to Keep it. It was gaining steam, until CrazyRussian closed the debate.

You will notice that when the Warren Kinsella or Pierre Bourque entries were not protected, I made little to no edits on those pages. I believed that if Anon IPs wanted modify the page, then let them do the work. But once the page was protected, I stepped in, I reverted the Gomery Inquiry to an anon IPs version, which I thought was better suited. Please read the Gomery Commission entry, which I never mentioned before, because of a suspicion that this page would be possessed by Arthur Ellis. Please read the entry, and note that Warren Kinsella is regarded as an outsider looking in. There is no justification to finger him, when he was never under investigation by the RCMP.

I have always said that I would leave this page altogether, if Arthur Ellis and anon Ottawa based IPs could do the same, to no avail. I was also the victim of attacks, on my user and talk page. This is a must read, . Okay this goes on, but please read this IPs history, the comments placed next to each edit were harsh to say the least. Most of this, I tried to take in stride, but making a comment about my father is something I take offence too. Especially when I am so proud of my father, who is working on a new mini-hubble liked telescope. Who has been invited by NASA to grade the performance of their new space telescopes. You should also note that after this user was blocked at 20:33, 12 July 2006 (UTC), Arthur Ellis made a Wikibreak statement soon after at 20:41, 12 July 2006, 9 minutes later. Then disappeared for 6 days, and only reemerged after disputed pages were semi-protected.

Now as for this statement made above by CrazyRussian, "Both editors have a long history of personal attacks, many coming against myself recently." For the record, I have never made a personal attack against CrazyRussian, and I he will confirm that.

And for this satement made by Thatcher131 . I would like a clarification, and his ensurance that he was not referring to me, Pete Peters as being Warren Kinsella himself. I would have no qualms to tesify on Warren Kinsella's behalf that he is not Pete Peters. The same goes for any statement regarding Pierre Bourque being Pete Peters.

And let me be perfectly clear, I have not used anon IPs as socks ever. About a half dozen times or so, I have forgotten to sign in. This by no means merits proof that I use sock puppets. I beg you to do a thorough checkuser investigation, which will ultimately exonerate me of any sock puppet actions. I can understand if there are any suspicions, because I reverted to some anon IP versions. It is just I believed those edits better suited the article.

In regards to CrazyRussian taking sides, I would not dispute this claim made by Arthur Ellis. I believe that I was given a week block by CrazyRussian to save his intregity, which I obliged and do not disagree with. His commendable career with Misplaced Pages should not be jeopardized over a simple tiff. So I would move him from the category Users who have attempted to defuse the situation to Involved Parties.

However, RadioKirk never took sides, and he should be exonerated from such accusations.

Please feel free to block me, and Arthur Ellis, along with a range block from Magna IP from Ottawa, along with IPs from the National Library of Canada like 142.78.64.223. And please note that I did not tag this page.

Statement by JGGardiner (talk · contribs)

I’d watchlisted the Kinsella article some time ago. In late June, I noticed an edit summary from Peters "PISS OFF MARK BOURIE". I had some familiarity with Kinsella so I thought that I could help calm things in the discussion. By the time I began on the talk page, Peters was quiet and it seemed like Ellis was simply being hard to rather than disruptive, disputing every insertion from the other editors. I ended up working more on the Bourrie article, where the same (Ellis-Peters) dispute had carried over. I’d note that while the Kinsella article is now protected and quiet, the same problem continues on the Bourrie article. This morning I removed anti-Bourrie vandalism and note that Magma IPs continue to change the lawsuit section and add vanity material.

While the article was protected, after July 3, I noticed that Peters moved on to other articles but was hounded by anonymous editors and had all of his edits reverted without explanation. I asked for help for Peters at ANI. Ellis appears to use the same Magma IP range, which is apparent from this post, where Ellis re-signs a post made by an IP the previous minute.At the same time, there were AfDs with other articles related to Kinsella begun by Ellis. It seemed like everything had been patched up at the Kinsella article when it was unprotected but the edit wars just continued and were accompanied by the outrageous talk comments. Crzrussian in particular took a lot of abuse. So did HistoryBA, a good editor who seems to have stopped editing for the moment because of this whole mess. The same range of IP’s also caused a lot of trouble at other articles, for example an edit war at Elizabeth May (re-inserting vandalism calling May fat), causing that article to be protected as well.

The responsible editors and admins at work here tried to focus on the content which was objected to. It seemed like things were smoothed over with each issue but I feel now that the objections were not about particular content per se (other than the lawsuit) but were rather about particular editors. My contributions with Kinsella were mostly to ask people to remain civil, articulate their concerns, and to resolve the disputes through discussion. Unfortunately they only wanted to discuss each other. --JGGardiner 19:07, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Statement of Bucketsofg (talk · contribs)

There have been four pages involved in these on-going and endemic revert and flame wars: Rachel Marsden (which I have been involved in), Warren Kinsella, Mark Bourrie, Pierre Bourque. The participants, it seems, are one or more of these people and their sock-puppets and/or meat-puppets. The strife, as far as I can see it, involves two sides, which is possibly only one individual each.

• Mark Bourrie, who has published under his own name Mark Bourrie (talk · contribs · block log), as Ceraurus (talk · contribs · block log), Isotelus (talk · contribs · block log), a host of Ottawa IPs that resolve to Magma Communications (64.26.128-191.xxx; 69.20.224-239.xxx; 206.191.0-63.xxx; 209.217.64-127.xxx), a small portion of which are listed above. (He threatens to use IPs for maximum disruption : "Fuck you. My IP changes every six hours. I'll be back. I will cause as much Misplaced Pages trouble as I can!") He also seems to have used Marie Tessier (talk · contribs · block log) as a sock (see ], implying that there are more socks to come).
  • A user-check (here) implies that Mark Bourrie (talk · contribs · block log) and Arthur Ellis (talk · contribs · block log) and Marie Tessier (talk · contribs · block log) are "likely" the same person. (In the absence of absolute proof, I'm inclined to assume that Arthur Ellis is someone close to Bourrie, but not Bourrie himself: their "styles" are different.)
• User:Pete Peters who seems to have been an account created mostly in order to provoke Bourrie. He may be one of the subjects in the articles under contention or associated with one of them.

Some solutions to be considered:

1. Mark Bourrie = Ceraurus = Isotelus = Marie Tessier is currently under an indefinite block; Arb Comm should perhaps set a defined period.
2. user Pete Peters and Arthur Ellis should be banned from the four pages under contention and warned not to engage one another
3. these four pages should be semi-protected since Bourrie, based in Ottawa, regularly forces an IP address reset from Magma Communications, his IP provider.
4. in order to prevent Bourrie and/or Pete Peters from creating new accounts to rejoin the fight after five days, the Arb Committee should probably pre-authorize user-checks on new, disruptive accounts that edit these four pages, with the understanding that any trollishness, vandalism, or disruption coming from the IP addresses identified above will be blocked as presumed sock-puppets
5. National Library IP (142.78.64.58 (talk · contribs · block log)) address should be indefinitely blocked (Bourrie admits to using it ], and looking at its contributions, no one uses it to edit wikipedia except him).

Response by Arthur Ellis

First, Bucketsofg has his own agenda on the Rachel Marsden page. Bucketsofg, as blogger "Buckets of Grewal", has been conducting his own off-Misplaced Pages campaign against former Canadian MP Germant Grewal, and has helped edit Marsden's page into an attack article, despite misgivings by Jimbo Wales put on the talk pages in 2005. Marsden was a former employee of Grewal's. Bucketsofg, Bearcat (who, on his talk page, says he is a member of the left-of-center NDP) and Homeontherange (see below) have worked very hard to keep the Marsden entry as negative as possible and have reverted and blocked any signs of change to this incredibly negative bio.

I wrote the present Marsden version, which is far lee nasty than all previous ones. To see it in its former glory, go back to a January version, where she's described as being fired from her job, and her father is mentioned as a child mollester. Those versions weren't reverted by Bucketsofg.

Something to remember: Bourrie (in his incarnations), a new member, always attempted to take attack-negative-cruel material off the Marsden page, not, like the three admins mentioned above, add it. He was accused and punished for vandalism and blanking for doing so by admins who ignored the Misplaced Pages policy regarding biographies of living people. He knew Marsden had moved to a new city and started a new job. The Marsden page is proof that sourced material, especially from newspapers, can be strung together to create an entry that is an embarrasment to Misplaced Pages.

Second, blocking me and Peters from the pages does nothing to prevent Warren Kinsella (through IPs) from continuiing to post on both the Mark Bourrie (as I showed above, he posts on that page from his office IP) and the Kinsella page.

Third, blocking the National Library of Canada would be rather radical. It has been used by other posters and it's, well, the National Library of Canada.Arthur Ellis 19:24, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Clerk notes

(This area is used for notes by non-recused clerks.)

Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter (1/0/0/0)

• Accept. Dmcdevit·t 16:29, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Homeontherange

Involved parties

PinchasC

Homeontherange

FeloniousMonk 17:29, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 19:43, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

IronDuke 00:03, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request

PinchasC initiating party

Homeontherange diff

FeloniousMonk added myself to this one.

Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 19:44, 20 July 2006 (UTC) added myself.

IronDuke adding self. 00:04, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Confirmation that other steps in dispute resolution have been tried

Not applicable. This is a request for review of admin status.

Statement by PinchasC

Homeontherange (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) (Homey) abuses his admin tools by blocking users with whom he is in a content dispute. He frequently violates 3RR, pretending not to know what the 3RR policy says, and has been blocked for 3RR violations five times, four of them in the last three months. He also evaded a block using a sockpuppet.

This is a request that his administrative status be reviewed. The policies he has violated are Misplaced Pages:Blocking policy, Misplaced Pages:Protection policy; Misplaced Pages:Sock puppetry, and Misplaced Pages:Three-revert rule.

• April 22, 2006. Protected a page while edit warring on it. Homey reverted Ericbwalton (talk · contribs) at Green Party of Canada three times 01:12, 03:02, 03:15, semi-protected the page at 03:15, then started editing it again at 04:03. When he was satisfied Ericbwalton had gone, he unprotected it at 04:29.

• April 26, 2006. Was blocked for 3RR. Was blocked for 3RR at New anti-Semitism by Katefan0.

• May 7, 2006. Another admin had to explain 3RR to him. Musical Linguist had to then explain 3RR policy to him because he appeared not to understand it.

• May 29, 2006. Violated 3RR. Violated 3RR but was warned by William M. Connolley instead of being blocked.

• May 29, 2006. Was blocked for 3RR. Was blocked for 3RR by PinchasC at Apartheid (disambiguation)

• May 29, 2006. Blocked a user he was in dispute with. Homey blocked User:Zeq for 24 hours for "vandalism" for edits to Israeli apartheid, even though he was in a content dispute with Zeq on that page. He thought better of it and unblocked him minutes later.

• May 30, 2006. Blocked a user he was in dispute with. Homey blocked User:Zeq again, this time indefinitely for "tendentious editing" at Israeli apartheid (phrase), even though he was in a content dispute with Zeq on that page. He unblocked him 10 minutes later, adding to the block summary "will reapply block tomorrow afternoon."

• May 31, 2006. Made admin moves while in a content dispute. Homey move-warred over the name of the Israeli apartheid article, using his admin powers to twice move it from Israeli apartheid (phrase) to Israeli apartheid.

• June 3, 2006. Blocked a user he was in dispute with. Homey blocked User:209.217.123.151 with whom he was in a content dispute at Talk:Rachel Marsden, then locked the page.

• June 4, 2006. Blocked a user he was in dispute with. Homey blocked User:Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg for "vandalising Talk:Jewish Defense League by removing another user's comments." The comments Moshe removed were his own, and Homeontherange was in a dispute with him on that page. The block was overturned by another admin.

• June 7, 2006. Blocked a user he was in dispute with. Homey blocked User: 82.3.163.184 for 48 hours for posts to Misplaced Pages:Articles_for_deletion/Michael_Keith_Smith even though Homeontherange was the nominator (this one was of the many articles about British Conversative figures that Homeontherange has tendentiously edited or tried to have deleted).

• June 9, 2006. Was blocked for 3RR. Was blocked for 3RR at Apartheid_outside_of_South Africa.

• June 9, 2006. Violated 3RR. He was reported for 3RR at History of South Africa in the apartheid era but was not blocked.

• June 20, 2006. Blocked a user he was in dispute with. Homey blocked User: 82.3.163.184 for one week for posts to Talk:Gregory Lauder-Frost even though he was involved in the content dispute at that article. (This is another article about British Conservative figures that Homeontherange has edited aggressively.)

• June 22, 2006. Was blocked for 3RR. Was blocked for 3RR at Boycott of Israel. The block is for 48 hours for "chronically trying to game the 3RR system and being a repeat 3RR offender."

• June 23, 2006. Evaded a block using a sockpuppet. Homey was blocked for 3RR at 23:09 on June 22. Two hours later, at 01:22 on June 23, a new account, Sonofzion (talk · contribs) made its first edit, and began to edit articles that Homey had recently edited. Its first edit was to Boycott of Israel, an article Homey had created six hours earlier. Sonofzion restored material to the intro that Homey had added but others had removed. The new account then edited Biltmore Conference and World Zionist Organization, little known articles that had been extensively edited by Homeontherange's previous userid. The new account went on to participate in an obscure CfD, then to comment on the page, one where Homey had been commenting extensively. Sonofzion then went on to edit Apartheid outside of South Africa, a page Homey had been edit warring on, and redirected the section on Israel to Israeli apartheid, something Homey had been pushing for. User:Jayjg did a CheckUser, and stated "the sockpuppetry and editing pattern was so obvious. Unsurprisingly, the CheckUser evidence was consistent and strongly suggestive (though not 100% conclusive) with them being sockpuppets of Homeontherange." Sonofzion also edited as 216.249.5.184 (talk · contribs), and though a "new editor", almost immediately went to the talk page where Jayjg made the statement and claimed that Jayjg had a "conflict of interest".

• June 26, 2006. Was blocked for disruption. Was blocked by Sceptre for chronic bickering with Zeq.

• July 5, 2006. Protected a page he was editing. At Eric Margolis, Homey reverted an edit by 207.245.7.58 (talk · contribs) (a legitimate edit, not vandalism), then protected the page. He unprotected it four hours later, saying he "didn't mean to protect," which was effective at stopping the anon from editing, while designed to look like an error.

• July 17, 2006. Unblocked his own sockpuppet. Homey undid another admin's block of User:Sonofzion, the sockpuppet account he used to evade a block, despite the clear conflict of interest.

--PinchasC | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 16:05, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Statement by Homeontherange (respondant)

Pinchas is putting this forward in the middle of another case regarding Israeli apartheid. His timing is, I suspect, designed to influence that case and perhaps distract me from it.

What this actually is is an extention of the Israeli apartheid dispute. Pinchas has often edited on the same side as several of the editors at that dispute(Jayjg, SlimVirgin, Humus sapiens etc) on various issues related to Israel so his timing and his selection of me as a target is not accidental. However, it is instructive that he is not examining the actions of his own allies, for instance an examination of User:SlimVirgin's protection log shows that there are numerous occasions in which she has protected "her" articles, ie articles which she edits regularly and has had content disputes over -see User:Homeontherange/notes1. An examination of Jayjg's freelancing of Checkuser, a function he continually runs for his political allies, would also be instructive. If we scrutinize my use of admin permissions we should also scrutinize a number of other people, including Pinchas allies. That he is singling me out and doing so at this time and in this way is little more than a tactical manouvre and an exercise in selectivity and, as we see by a cursory examination of several of his complaints, an exercise in misrepresentation.

Eric B Walton is a former Green Party of Canada candidate who was editing the article in a promotional manner. I don't remember, off the top of my head, the details regarding the other incidents Pinchas is conveniently cobbling together.

Zeq

Re: the blocks on Zeq, they were due to a misreading of Zeq's arbcom case which stated Zeq could be banned for good cause. He had edited tendentiously at Israeli apartheid and so I blocked him after consulting with User:Fred Bauder. However, there is a difference between banning and blocking and so I subsequently lifted the block (within a few minutes) and placed a complaint on Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Arbitration enforcement and as a result User:Tony Sidaway banned Zeq from several articles]. That he did this shows that my reasoning for disciplining him was valid even if I erred in not realising that a ban was different than a block, I had previously been unaware of page bans.

Sockpuppetry

The alleged sockpuppet was blocked by FeloniousMonk with a request that the sockpuppet prove he's not a sockpuppet. Had he, or Jayjg, or SlimVirgin, the other editors engaging that account at the time, had any actual evidence that the account was my sockpuppet the should have a) told me b) taken action against me at the time. They failed to do so. Not only that, I was not even informed of this allegation until several days time later by Zeq, not by Jayjg or Felonious. That Pinchas are now bringing this up is highly opportunistic. I deny the allegation of sockpuppetry but in any case creating a sockpuppet does not involve use of admin tools. As for unblocking the sockpuppet 1) this was done several weeks after the block (and well after the 3RR block againt me had expired) 2) it was done because the alleged sockpuppet was not a sockpuppet 3) I informed the blocking admin of my action, he reinstated the block and I did not remove the block a second time.

The alleged sock puppet edited last night. The IP address is not only not my IP trace but it is from another city entirely from the one I'm in. Not only that but I was editing myself at the same time so unless Pinchas is also alleging that I can fly (and do so faster than the speed of sound) it's clear the sockpuppet allegation is bogus. Homey 17:33, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Jayjg was in a content dispute with me at the time - that he ran a checkuser on me and then "analysed" it himself is suspect. According to the alleged sockpuppet we were, at the time, in the same city - Toronto - Canada's largest city with a large population as well of Arabs and Jews, possibly the largest outside of the Mideast and in a country, Canada, which has one of the highest proportion of net users in the world. This Sonofzion had also edited as an anon IP following his ban, an analysis of the IP address produces a ISP that I have never used and I am confident that checkuser, in fact, would show no system relation, only, perhaps, a geographic one which might mean something if I were in Billings, Montana but doesn't mean much in a city with a population of 4-5 million ie the Greater Toronto Area and one with both the largest Jewish and largest Arab (and largest Israeli, for that matter) population in Canada. Someone looking at the checkuser results who was not in a conflict of interest may have taken account of this. Given that Jayjg was "freelancing" with his checkuser ability, something he is wont to do, and given that he had done so in the past for Zeq who has accused me dozens of times of sockpuppetry without anything ever coming of it is telling. With Zeq stalking me for signs of sockpuppetry the last thing I would do is actually give him ammunition.

FeloniousMonk also lied to me recently about the alleged sockpuppet when I asked him about this, he claimed " I never discussed my blocking of the Sonofzion account with Jayjg;". The evidence you provided shows that, in fact, he did just that and FeloniousMonk did not implement his block until after Jayjg reported back to him. Homey 17:53, 20 July 2006 (UTC) Several of the items Pinchas mentions with are already being dealt with in the Israeli Apartheid RFD - to complain about them here risks double jeopardy. Homey 21:49, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Rachel Marsden related block

Pinchas writes: June 3, 2006. Blocked a user he was in dispute with. Homey blocked User:209.217.123.151 with whom he was in a content dispute at Talk:Rachel Marsden, then locked the page.

In fact, according to the page of the user I blocked "It is suspected that this user might be a sock puppet or impersonator of Ceraurus. Please refer to This user refers to himself as Ceraurus here for evidence". The page was being attacked by sockpuppets of User:Ceraurus, who is a blocked user according to his log. Ceraurus had vandalized Rachel Marsden several timed by blanking it and engaging in other disruptive behaviour. He was blocked indefinitely as a result (not by me). It is permissable to block the sockpuppets of indefinitely blocked vandals on sight.

82.3.163.184 and Mike Keith Smith's AFD

I did ban User:82.3.163.184 for 48 hours for her posts to the Michael Keith Smith AFD even though I was the mover of the AFD. What Pinchas fails to explain is how this was a conflict of interest given that she was a supporter of the AFD. The user had been sued by Michael Keith Smith and was rather bitter and, as a result, was attacking him online, including on wikipedia and including on the AFD page. She was blocked twice by me for her various personal attacks on Smith (who was also editing Misplaced Pages). The block was justified and I urge readers to look at User:82.3.163.184's edits. I was in no content dispute with her anywhere, however she was actively harassing User:Mike Keith Smith on wikipedia so I blocked her despite the fact that I myself was in a dispute with Smith over his autobiographical article. Homey 00:17, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Eric Margolis

In regards to Eric Margolis the protection was accidental and when someone (I believe it was SV) brought it to my attention I unprotected it. SV actually reverted the change I made a few minutes later and I left the article alone since I couldn't find the reference I had seen before on Margolis' parentage. Some time earlier an individual had been removing references to Margolis' mother and as I recall I initially thought that had happened in the instance you are referring to.

Block for disruption

Let's see what else, my block for "disruption" lasted all of 42 minutes and was actually aimed at Zeq who remained blocked for 24 hours. The Admin had blocked both of us but had been apologetic to me in doing so.

3RR

In regards to 3RR the interpretation of the rules had actually changed around April so that the definition of revert became broader than in the past ie unrelated reverts now counted towards 3RR. I was somewhat obtuse in understanding this change and felt the banning admins were simply misunderstanding the rules. I was blocked for those and have not violated 3RR for several weeks. Several of the blocks were contentious and challenged by other editors resulting in my being unblocked, reblocked etc. But again, some of the blocks were questionable and contested by others and I believe on one occasion I was unblocked and in the second where I was about to be unblocked I told the sympathetic admin not to bother, I'd just sit it out. In that case however, the 3RR complaint had actually initially been rejected and removed from the 3RR page, Zeq reinstated the exact same complaint, it was then removed again by User:NSLE and then reinstated again by by Zeq. Another admin added the follwing comment Admin note: The edits cited above do not appear to be the same, and therefore do not constitue a breach of WP:3RR. Kcordina 14:19, 9 June 2006 (UTC) . The same user subsequently added:

I am still of the opinion their behaviour does not deserve any action. To summarise the diffs you've cited:- Revert 1 - Deleted a lot of text, added a link Revert 2 - Ditto Revert 3 - Ditto (but no link inserted) Revert 4 - Add a tag Revert 5 - Add a fact tag Final diff cited - Add two tags.

So they've done 3 reversions of one type - deleting a section of text. 2 edits relating to one tag, and 2 edits relating to another tag. This has no relation to "in whole or in part" the two groups are totally unrelated - they've reverted 3 times and then stopped. If I'm reading it wrong please let me know Kcordina 14:38, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

also, later to Zeq: I can see where your coming from, but I, personally, interpret the rule differently. I see there as being a breach of the rule in all, or the same subsections, of an article are reverted more than three times - not simply more than three reverts on an article in total. So in this case, there have only been up to 3 reverts of one type, hence I have chosen not to block the user, and I still think that is correct. I have, however, made a note to the user concerned to this effect. Perhaps a different admin will have a different view. Kcordina 15:44, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Despite all this debate (which I was unaware of as no one told me I was being accused of 3RR) FeloniousMonk comes in and implements a block. Considering that it had been rejected Felonious should have engaged in some discussion about it. Also, as several admins thought there was no reason to block Pinchas is hardly being fair in his characterization of the incident.

In several cases the admins who blocked me were hardly uninvolved neutrals and seemed to be acting overly aggressively. See for example:

Just noticed this in the vandalism channel, I'm a bit unsure of the basis for your block, from the blocking policy "In all cases, blocks are preventative rather than punitive, and serve only to avoid damage to Misplaced Pages.", since that particular edit war seems to have been over more than 12 hours ago it appears that the block cannot be prevantative but punative. Maybe you know something I don't about that particular war, but I thought I'd flag it up to you. --pgk 21:38, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

and

I am not going to get drawn into a discussion of whether unrelated edits on the same page constitute a 3RR violation or not; that's never been my understanding of the way things work on Misplaced Pages. And neither am I going to get drawn into a discussion of whether I was right or wrong to unblock Homey; for one thing, he seems to still be blocked even though I've already unblocked him. I have taken other steps to attempt to resolve the matter through talk page discussion, and you can't even begin to imagine how little interest I have in getting drawn into a user dispute where both sides have equally legitimate claims that the other side has behaved inappropriately. Bearcat 23:54, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

In one of those cases the blocking admin was you Pinchas. You seem to have a dislike of me because of my attitude towards Israeli issues. It would have been more appopriate had you left the question of whether or not to ban me to a disinterested admin who did not have an agenda. In any case, I have studiously avoided getting in trouble for 3RR this month so I think I've learned my lesson in regards to this. To punish me again for 3RR violations would be double jeopardy.

The 3RRs were, as I said, contentious and I suspect would not have been applied against most people. One, for instance, was for a "fourth" revert in which I replaced an OR tag that had been removed (once). This was contested. Another 3RR violation was, in fact, my correcting Zeq's grammar - corrections he did not challenge only to turn around and file a 3RR complaint which Felonious, I believe, immediately implemented.

In any case a 3RR violation does not involve a violation of an admin permission.Homey 11:36, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Moshe's block

As for the block on Moshe, Pinchas misrepresents the situation by saying that Moshe reverted his "own words". What Moshe actually did was delete a quotation from my post on a talk page. That I was quoting a factually incorrect statement of his which he had removed from the talk page (while I was making my post) did not give him the right to alter my post to remove the quote. The block was lifted by Moshe's friend, Slim Virgin. In any case, I subsequently agreed that what I should have done is filed a complaint against Moshe at ANI rather than acted myself but this does not mitigate the fact that Moshe edited my comments on a talk page, contrary to policy.Homey 21:44, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Curiously, PinchasC's review of the block on Moshe doesn't actually include any diffs. Here is the diff] in Moshe's case. He removed the following text from a post I made on the the talk page:

Moshe, you have removed the following from your comment above:

"Anyways if you would had looked over the terrorist category you would have noticed that it specifically states it is for individals only."

I had made a post that replied to Moshe's statement. Moshe removed the part of his statement to which I was replying rendering my response nonsensical - I then added the quote in order to put my response in context. Moshe then altered my post in order to remove the quote.

This was discussed on here with the following commetns being made:

I think that's perfectly reasonable. Once you post on a talk page, people are going to want to respond. If you remove the comment, suddenly the discussion doesn't make any sense. Hence why it's not something that should be done. --InShaneee 18:03, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

As for "gaining advantange in a content dispute" this did not occur as I did not edit Jewish Defense League until Moshe's block was lifted ie I allowed Moshe's version to stand so, in fact, the advantage in the content dispute was his.

In discussions, User:Timothy Usher, while arguing that I should not have blocked Moshe myself, did concede that Moshe's edit violated policy:

:I've just posted on his talk page. He must agree to follow policy, and not alter other editor's comments on talk pages, or risk sanction, as he's been duly warned.Timothy Usher 19:34, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

• See for the full discussion on Timothy's page.

Timothy's post on Moshe's page was as follows:

Moshe should agree not to alter other editors' comments. It's unacceptable. The fact that Homey removes posts from his talk page is obnoxious, but is allowed by current understanding of policy, just as are Moshe's posts thereto. Altering other editors' comments on talk pages is not.

I'd like to hear from Moshe that he understands this, and will abide by it.Timothy Usher 19:24, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Moshe refused to accept this. Timothy then insisted:

You may think it aggravating for him to go through the history and repost something you'd withdrawn, but that's a completely legitimate use of talk space. Had he altered your posts, as you did his - your comment was at this point part of his post, not yours - it'd be a different story.

Altering other editors' posts is unacceptable. It's that simple. Don't do it.Timothy Usher 19:39, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Moshe's response:

I'm sorry but I cannot accept that.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 19:43, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Timothy:

Moshe, it's policy, and you must follow it. It doesn't matter if you accept it.

If you're faced with such a situation in the future, I recommend that you post your own comment to the effect that you'd retracted your statement, and that there is thus no point for other editors to drag it up. This accomplishes the same thing without altering other editors' posts, and without getting you blocked.Timothy Usher 19:57, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

At this point it would have been reasonable for an admin to reimpose the block on Moshe that had been lifted. This was not done despite Moshe's refusal to accept his error. Nor did I personally reimpose the block.

I agree that I should not instituted the block myself but I disagree with PinchasC's interpretation of events that suggests, wrongly, that Moshe did not break policy and commit a transgression that would normally result in a tempblock. Homey 12:10, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Comment by Tazmaniacs

I think the arbitrator should recuse this case.

Although I am not directly involved in this dispute,I've co-edited articles with most of the editors here. The case seems to me more about strong conflictual opinions rather than real disruptive behavior. Tazmaniacs 21:26, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps unsurprisingly, this user has colloborated with Homeonetherange on many articles, including some of the most contentious ones listed above. In every instance they backed one another up and generally shared the same pov.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 04:10, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Moshe's comment here exactly repeats what I've said, and prove it by its bitterness. I'd like Moshe to refrain from false statements such as "In every instance they backed one another up", since I hardly ever edited with Homeontherange, but quickly noticed his POV because he was opposed to all of these users, Moshe, Zek, JayZ and others, who all share respectable (I respect opposing POV, which doesn't seems to be Moshe's policy) and concording views on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict (to speak clearly). What I point out here is that it is very difficult in this case for an administrator to take a neutral decision, since Homeontherange is being atttacked mainly because of his positions on this conflict. Thus, if he lets him go, all these other users (Zek & co, Zek having been blocked for disruptive behavior) will find this totally partial, while blocking Homeontherange would automatically places the admin on the side of, I'm not saying the "Israelis", but Ariel Sharon's policy and its continuation (current bombings over Lebanon after having bombed the electric plant at Gaza). So, Moshe, you would be so nice to let me speak for myself: yes, I am opposed to bombing over the electric plant at Gaza, which provided 40% of the electricity of the Gaza strip, more than half of the cleaning water, and that now US tax-payers must pay it back (as it was payed for by international cooperation), which will cost 40 million $. Yes, I do think that doing this kind of bombing is targeting civilians and doesn't respects the rules of war. If you call being opposed to such a bombing "sharing the same POV" with Homeontherange (I'm sorry, I haven't had the opportunity to discuss his views on the matter), well, yes we do (but I don't think we share all the positions on the subject, unless he favors, at least a theory, a binational solution - but speaking politics, when you are speaking war to me, isn't really relevant, is it?). You are lying when you say I have "collaborated with Homerange on many articles", and the least you could do is back-up this lie with some diffs. But I thank you for your comment, because it clearly shows that Homerange is being attacked by all of you because you don't like his pro-Palestinian opinions. RFA should'nt be used for political conflicts, but to stop trolls. Has Homeontherange acted as a troll? No, I do not think so. Are you attacking him because of this alleged reason? It doesn't seems so, and your comment here shows what the real reasons is: you'd be very happy in excluding someone who doesn't shares the same POV than you do. The administrator who takes a decision on this should be aware that due to the specific nature of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and its echoes here on Misplaced Pages, either way he will be accused of being pro-Israeli or pro-Palestinian. I would advise to do what courts do in this kind of case: declare oneself incompetent to judge the submitted matter. Tazmaniacs 15:11, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I never used the word "colloboration", and I never gave any indication in my above statement that I disrespected your pov, so I'm really not sure where that came from. I only pointed out that your statement that you were not "not directly involved in this dispute" could be seen as misleading since you have been involved in the editing of many of the above articles, and in every instance you found yourself in opposition to the same editors, so I think it is rather odd that you would imply that you were on completely uninvolved party. As for me I have already indicated that I do in fact have an interest in seeing Homeontherange punished since I have at times been deeply involved in this dispute and always in opposition to homey.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 21:33, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Come on, chill, "I'm not directly involved in this dispute" just means what it means: I haven't filed anything, I don't know what you're all talking about, and I hardly ever encountered Homeontherange, I did encounter you & others however, and I saw no specific tolerance to other POVs, rather the contrary. Anyway, have fun ! Tazmaniacs 01:12, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Response to Homeontherange

I would hate to break it to you, but Timothy Usher is not an administrator, nor does he have particularly high standing among other editors so I'm really not sure why you would base your entire argument on his statements. Anyways he completly opposed your actions until you seemed to confuse him with a sysop, wanting to continue the charade, he decided that he should try to partially agree with you so that you would respect his opinions in the future, I notified him through E-mail that I didn't know why he was doing this, but he apparently saw some advantage in his actions. Besides timothy, almost every other editor and administrator agreed that not only was it completely inappropriate for you to block me, but it was also very uncivil for you to even post what I removed in the first place. I should point out this discussion- , where Homey basically spent the whole day trying to get me to agree that I did something wrong, despite other editors suggesting that he accept his mistake and move on. At times he came up with rather creative ways to in his mind "win" the argument, as can be seen with this post-

"Ok Moshe, I'll give you a way to get off the hook while saving face. I"ve noticed you've not reverted Talk:Jewish Defense League since having the tempban lifted and have not altered the comments on there. Are you going to leave it that way? If you really think you're right then you would have gone and reverted the talk page. As you haven't done that I think we can assume you know that you were wrong even if you're not mature enough to admit it. So are you going to leave Talk:Jewish Defense League alone or are you going to insist you're right and go and revert it?Homey 20:31, 4 June 2006 (UTC)"

The above illustrates just one instance where homey continued arguing long after it was necessary only to try to get his opponent to admit he was wrong, as would be expected, this attribute makes him a very difficult editor to get along with.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 01:26, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Statement by User:Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg

I'm not going to pretend that I am an uninvolved party. I have an obvious interest in trying to get Homeontherange sanctioned, as I have been party to countless conflicts with him over the past few months.

I first came into contact with Homey on the New Anti-semitism article, although I was only peripherally involved with the dispute I found his arguments poorly made and concentrated too much on the opposing editors instead of what they were saying, however I did not think too much of it since this is obviously a common occurence on our little encyclopedia. However our next encounter left much more of an impression. In this instance, a conflict over the existence of the Apartheid (Disambiguation) article quickly degenerated into accusations that I was somehow breaking the Misplaced Pages:What Misplaced Pages is not policy, after I brushed aside his statements he threatened to have me "banned for vandalism and/or brought before the Arbcomm.", . After I basically laughed this threat off as ridiculous, Homeontherange actually went ahead and wrote up a request for comment which included all sorts of grandiose accusations. Since it is necessary to have at least two users certify the RFC, he made overtures towards another editor involved in the dispute to try to ensure his support- , after User:Strothra failed to express any interest in getting involved, Homeontherange probably realized that there could be negative consequences for an administrator who engages in such inappropriate behavior and finally decided to delete the RFC. I am not sure how to show the contents of his original report, but the original link was- .

The reason I feel it is necessary to go into such detail with the above encounter is because I feel it represents the essence of my entire prolonged dispute with Homey.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 04:48, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Statement by Arthur Ellis

I followed the Marsden case closely and read all of the pages after I was accused of being Ceraurus' sock. Homeontherange goaded user Ceraurus into numerous 3RRs. Ceraurus was given an indefinite block when he pointed out Homeontherange had vandalized the protected version of Rachel Marsden May 2. Homeontherange, Bucketsofg and several other left-wing Canadians have sat on the Mardsen page, which was even criticised by Jimbo Wales in 2005 as an attack page, and have prevented any edits that don't make Marsden look like a psycho. When Ceraurus challenged Homeontherange, he was accused of sock puppetry and banned without a checkuser. His opponents on the Marsden page have made sure the "indefinite" ban was made permanent, even though Ceraurus (who had earlier changed from Mark Bourrie to Ceraurus in a futile attempt to protect his privacy) was very new to Misplaced Pages, is near-completion of a PhD in history, and is the author of eight books. Arthur Ellis 01:14, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Response to Arthur Ellis

I didn't block Ceraurus or ask anyone to do so. I believe he was in conflict with several other users during his 3RR problems so accusing me of "goading him" into 3RR violation is incorrect, particularly as I don't recall ever filing a 3RR report against Ceraurus or asking anyone else to or blocking him for 3RR. Ellis' comments have everything to do with the Warren Kinsella case above (in which I am not involved) and nothing to do with me. Homey 13:18, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Quick check shows that all of 5 of the last 350 edits to Rachel Marsden (ie since around March 4) are mine and three of those were in a span of 5 minutes. Cesaurus' block log shows that he was blocked on March 8th and again on April 12 - how I could have goaded Cesaurus into an edit war in this period is beyond me as I did not edit Rachel Marsden at all between March 10th and and Cesaurus' most recent block on April 12th. I edited three times in the week before Ceasaurus' first block. Homey 16:27, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Response by Arthur Ellis

Homey is being, at best, evasive, as he blocked Mark Bourrie , who, after being viciously hassled by Homeontherange, Bearcat, Geedubber and Bucketsofg, opted to change his name -- very openly -- to Ceraurus to prevent the abuse from being Google-able.

The Marsden discussion pages, by the way, make very interesting reading for anyone who thinks these admins are NPOV. Even now, POV and psycvho-sexual attacks on the page continue. I think it should be stressed that Bourrie-Ceraurus-Isotelus worked to take attack material off the Marsden page.Arthur Ellis 19:16, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Clerk notes

(This area is used for notes by non-recused clerks.)

Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter (1/0/0/0)

• Accept; the evidence here is worrying enough that I think we ought to hear a case. Dmcdevit·t 15:56, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Zer0faults

Involved parties

• Zer0faults (talk · contribs)
• Nescio (talk · contribs)

Not involved in the current situation but aware of it

• Rangeley (talk · contribs)
• TheronJ (talk · contribs)
• GTBacchus (talk · contribs)
• The prophet wizard of the crayon cake (talk · contribs)
• Circeus (talk · contribs)

Comfirmation parties are aware of request

• Zer0faults (talk · contribs)
• Rangeley (talk · contribs)
• TheronJ (talk · contribs)
• GTBacchus (talk · contribs)
• The prophet wizard of the crayon cake (talk · contribs)
• Circeus (talk · contribs)

Confirmation that other steps in dispute resolution have been tried

• RFC filed
• First attempt at mediation
• Second attempt at mediation

Statement by party 1

This user made a special request therefore I bring this case to ArbCom.

From opposing views to vendetta: Over the past months I have had numerous unpleasant encounters with this user after becoming aware of him was when he supported Merecat (talk · contribs) in his RFC (a banned user that coincidentally had similar editing and debating techniques). Evidently our perception of reality is different. That is allowed. However, in time, what was a difference of opinion has turned into a vendetta aimed at my person. Resulting in edit wars not over content but over simply reverting the other user, and another example of this.

Describing behaviour: This user has a very aggressive, hostile, uncooperative and in general a disruptive style of editing. He arrives at an article, starts deleting everything he sees as wrong, even sourced material. When asked to justify he responds with statements (i.e. violation of WP:POINT, WP:RS, WP:OR, et cetera) but never with a full explanation substantiating his claims. When his argument is said to be flawed he simply restates the same argument while reverting.(rv, will fix wapo link in next edit, again please provide the information requested on the talk page. Thank you oddly enough he reverts but has yet to make a serious comment on my arguments and here restating his assertions while not responding to my rebuttal). When asked to answer a direct question he reverts and simply restates his assertion. Finally, still not having answered any question, he says he will no longer discuss since the other party is being disruptive (or something to that extend). He demands evidence to restore what he redacts out, but then refuses to read the sources provided. To quote another editor:

And this is part of the problem Nescio is having with you, Zer0, you do not read cites that are provided for you..

This obstructive way of editing can only be interpreted as Zero having appointed himself as "the decider." He has ruled on the matter (see his mantra in the edit summaries) and as such nobody has the right to edit contrary to his ruling. Therefore his refusal to discuss, despite my repeated rebuttal of his verdict. Personally I thought no editor was more equal than another, apparently not. The fact this user aggressively claims sole authority on what does and does nort belong in Misplaced Pages suggest he has not understood WP:OWN and WP:POINT, although he refers to it often enough.

Suddenly our encounters became very inflamed as he and another user removed my coments from a page. Although I might have chosen a better place to comment, they aggressively denied me the right to reinstate those comments. Resulting in the first mediation case.

Examples of his behaviour and comments:

1. War on Terror stated that this was a campaign by the US, NATO and allies. I changed it into the US, supported by NATO and allies, since Zero had advocated it is a US campaign in which NATO provides assistance. He objected to this edit and reverted. Evidently he felt that it was a joined campaign so I removed the US from the sentence as stating US and NATO is a tautology. Again he objected and reverted. Evidently he did mean to say US supported by NATO. He refers to this as me contradicting myself, while in fact the change in stance was his. I pointed out he was making a grammatical error in his reasoning. Also he removes text he disagrees with, I restore it with tags, yet he deletes it again.
2. Template:War on Terrorism he keeps removing extraordinary rendition, unitary executive theory, and other terrorist attacks. He removes them because I fail to provide sources. In the case of UET I referred him to:

   • unitary executive theory (1 the position taken by adherents of the "unitary executive" theory, and advocated by John Yoo in particular, holds that a U.S. President in the exercise of his Constitutional war powers cannot be restrained by any law, national or international. 2 The NSA warrantless domestic surveillance program is another example of the Bush administration's application of its interpretation of executive power, ) Even though this theory is about inherent war powers, and the only war the US is fighting is WOT (unless we include the war on drugs, war on poverty, et cetera), I fail to understand how UET is not about WOT. In the words of Zero that violates WP:OR, meaning that when an article states 1 a dog has four legs, 2 animals with four legs are called quadrupeds, 3 dogs are animals, we are not allowed to conclude dogs are quadrupeds. Just like we are not allowed to take the ddefinition of a war of aggression (which is a war crime) as any war 1 not out of self-defense, 2 not authorised by the UN, and then see if the invasion of Iraq violates that definition. Of course, when there are multiple interpretations we call it OR to pick one of those. These examples do not have multiple interpretations. Contrary to popuylar believe any response that is not related to an acute and imminent threat simply is NOT self-defense.
   • signing statement (1 Some critics note that this statement specifically refers to a unitary executive theory, under which the Commander-in-Chief has broad authority to use his discretion in interpreting and applying the law. As a result, it is argued, the President has with the signing statement to the McCain Detainee Amendment reserved the right to waive the "torture ban", effectively re-writing the law passed by Congress)
   • NSA warrantless surveillance controversy (1 The Bush administration argues that the program is in fact legal on the grounds that FISA is an unconstitutional violation of the President's "inherent powers" and/or that FISA was implicitly overridden by other acts of Congress, 2 However, the authorization granted by President Bush to the NSA apparently uses neither FISC approval nor the one-year foreign surveillance authority granted by FISA. Instead, the administration argues that the power was granted by the Constitution and by a statutory exemption, as is advocated by the Unitary Executive theory using the interpretation of John Yoo et al.)
   • and the multitude of references, following claims of inherent war powers, in those articles to support including UET in the template, which Zero is unable to find.

   To illustrate the silly argument to refuse on account of OR, I inserted in this request what the articles said although Zero could not find it, which resulted in his reply that I must provide a source if I want to include it. In other words, he orders me to quote the relevant text from the articles, but is unwilling to read it himself. As to extraordinary rendition, since this is a new concept initiated as part of WOT to render suspected terrorist (or was it Enron, or Abramoff?), and clearly separate from rendition, his objection is rather odious and not substantiated with any argument other then "provide evidence," while failing to show evidence this form of rendition existed prior to 9-11.

3. Zarqawi PSYOP program I am trying to describe this program, but again this user follows me around and massively deletes part of the article.history Again I reinsert the relevant parts and ask him to explain. Nevertheless he prefers to edit war over my edits. He is so focussed on reverting me, he is even reverting my correction to the WaPo link. The article is about an alleged PSYOP program that, among other things, is aimed at the US public. I inserted some background information regarding PSYOP programs aimed at the US public (which this program apparently does) and the relevant legalities. Again, he advocates violation of OR and blindly deletes without addressing my arguments for inclusion. He has now started asserting the program is not aimed at the US public, although the article mentions it several times(?). A quick glance at the edit history shows that while I am trying to improve the article (i.e. incorporating the sources, rewording, making better summaries) the primary contributions by this user consist of reverting me.

These are some very good examples of how this editor 1 follows me around (dare I say it resembles stalking?) and blindly reverts my edits on sight, 2 removes all information he thinks is uncomfartable to the Bush administration and therefore POV. Fortunately, there are other editors who are capable of discussing and can refrain from aggressive editing.

Uncivil remarks While continuing his hostile behaviour he started making unusual comments on my person -although, unfortunatelly, following the months of him attacking me I also made some harsh remarks- and edit summaries that are uncivil and misrepresenting the edits.

• Turns out I was accused of being an editor that was previously banned name User:Merecat. I was accused by User talk:RyanFreisling and by User:Nescio and neither will return to apologize I am sure. Incorrect statement, nevertheless, still found on his page.
• removed pests comments. Yes you are now a pest for constantly posting on this page the results of a RFC that showed I was not a sockpuppet. Please stop posting here
• rm non contructive comments. Again do not post here while mediation is proceeding, your comments are agitating the situation
• rv. vandalism
• rm comments by AGF violator and NPA violator, cease posting here please, your comments are mean and unwarranted
• Following the numerous edit wars, in which he apparently is not to blame, he has chosen to file a RFC against me, asserting I, (that is, not he!?) am violating WP:POINT. In light of his own behaviour in the edit war he describes, it would be interesting to see how he would call his edits.

Conclusion There are more examples, but I think this will suffice to show that Zero has an obstructive way of contributing. Instead of AGF, and trying to find consensus through debate, he simply deletes/reverts all he disagrees with, especially my edits, aggtressively demanding others to disprove his point. This means he repeatedly refuses to read the evidence provided unless people quote the relevant text, apparently because he is prohibited from reading articles himself. What we have at the moment is the two of us edit warring while we should be discussing. I admit I can't resist reverting his edits when I find he has reverted mine. Since no debate is possible I do the easiest thing (stupid, I know) and continue the edit war. At this moment on every article I edit Zero steps in and deletes my contribution. While I acknowledge people have diffent views, his style of reverting my edits on sight is exceedingly annoying, violates WP:AGF, WP:CIVIL, WP:POINT, and certainly does not result in improving Misplaced Pages. In the hope somebody can end this silly game I reluctantly file this request.

My specific requests from ArbCom are:

1. To determine the nature of the conflict, and if it is agreed Zero has directed his efforts towards undoing mine, to offer a solution stopping the personal harrasment.
2. To determine whether this editor is reverting/rewriting/deleting my edits in an attempt to improve Misplaced Pages by fighting POV (apparently mine), or, whether his blind "corrections" of my edits (edit warring) are based upon 1 antagonising me and 2 removing views from Misplaced Pages he thinks should not be made public (i.e. censoring), 3 stalking-like behaviour.
3. To determine whether or not editors making massive changes to an article, and subsequently only contribute that article by reverting my efforts, should discuss prior to those edits or whether it is acceptable that those wishing to retain the original version are the sole party that should justify their edit.

   As minor and least important points

4. To determine whether this user is correct in objecting to biased sources, even though policy allows it. And whether sources need to be fact-checked, and if so to rule that every article not based in fact is deleted, with the result that i.e. religion related articles are removed as they inherently are not fact-checked as religion is about a believe in something in the absense of facts supporting that view. In other words, are biased and opiniated sources allowed if we identify them as such?
5. To state whether comparing a definition (i.e. war of aggression, war crime) with the known facts (was Iraq invaded out of self-defense? did the UN support the invasion?) and concluding the two are (not) compatible is a violation of WP:OR.

If needed I will provide more evidence/diffs of his behaviour, but there is so much (miles and miles and miles of articles, diffs and comments) it would hinder those trying to understand the conflict. Nomen Nescio 10:40, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Statement by User:Zer0faults

Mediation Attempts

User left out dispute resolution located at Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Nescio. They have protested their involvement here and presented no evidence to dispute any of the claims.

Misuse of RFAr postings?

I was under the impression that RFAr notifications were to get out to users involved, not every article the user mentions, furthermore if they are posted, they are to be done in a neutral manner. Nescio's posts on pages accuses me of harrassment and is clearly made to bias the reader, stating "Apparently mediation does not result in improvement of the harrasment I endure"

• Talk:Zarqawi PSYOP program -
• User talk:Morton devonshire -
• User talk:Gorgonzilla -
• User talk:Mr. Tibbs -
• User talk:Añoranza -
• User talk:Rangeley -
• User talk:Circeus -
• User talk:The prophet wizard of the crayon cake -
• User talk:GTBacchus -
• User talk:TheronJ -
• User talk:Zer0faults -

Furthermore 4 of those users are not listed above, 3 of them people who took part in the previous RfC on me but are unrelated to these incidents.

Requesting RFAr?

As for me requesting it, if you look at the dif they provide their threat is located right above it, attempting to use the RFAr threat to get me to stop editing the Zarqawi program.

Refusal to provide Sources

Unitary Executive Theory - I have asked this user to provide sources stating Unitary Executive Theory is part of the WOT directly: What they reply with is their reasoning, ie. original research

I tried to explain that Unitary Executive theory and Extraordinary Rendition have existed before the WOT, and to provide a link stating they are part of it: There reply is that "kidnapping is part of the WOT" but never give a source.

The article on Unitary Executive Theory relates itself to inherent war powers, Nescio then draws the line stating the only war the US is involved in is the War on Terrorism, so this must be in place, currently and related to the WOT. No source draws this line, if one does he could have simply supplied one. Oddly enough none of his sources that he did produce state the UET is related to the WOT. They link NSA surveillance program, but only 3 actually mention the WOT, and none in connection with UET.

Information Operations Roadmap - User states "reverts but has yet to make a serious comment on my arguments" and offers as proof. However none of this actually addresses the following posted: They still have yet to show a source stating there is a link between the Information Operations Roadmap and the Zarqawi PSYOPS program. There latest attempts to include the roadmap even state the program is not part of it: They are basically linknig a random document to the article they created to fatten its contents, a document they admit is not connected.

Smith-Mundt Act - This carried onto the Smith-Mundt Act, a law stating the US government cannot conduct psyops on its citizens. They are adding this mention, without a reason. By adding only one law they are creating a bias where it seems that is being violated. I back this up with the following:

• They remove a quote when they revert stating the "US Home Audience" is not actually meaning to target civilians.
• They add the Smith-Mundt Act to the see also section, though there is no evidence the program targets civilians.
• They add select quotes, leaving out "It is ingrained in U.S.: You don't psyop Americans. We just don't do it," a quote by the commander of the PSYOPS programs in Iraq
• They left out the explanation of it hitting the US "When we provided stuff, it was all in Arabic," and aimed at the Iraqi and Arab media"
• The article specifically states "does not specifically state that U.S. citizens were being targeted by the effort,"

Signing Statements - Again the users proof above does not link signing statements to the WOT, it links them to torture, which then may link to extraordinary rendition, however no court has found torture took place as a result of extraordinary rendition. Furthermore that would link signing statements to Extraordinary Rendition, not directly to the WOT. Unless this user is stating that torturing people is a main concept of the War on Terror.

NSA Surveillance Program - I stopped arguing over this long ago, its even in my proposed template overhaul of WOT template: User:Zer0faults/WOT_Template2

Lack of sources continued

When asked on the WOT template page to provide a source for linking unitary executive theory and Bybee memo to the template

• - "please provide ruling. Also remove Bybee again since you did not even attempt to give a reason for it.)"

They replied with:

• - "(Hamdan v Rumsfeld)"

I looked up the document to find out its 158 pages long. I asked them to provide a page number that is most relevant and was told I asked again for a page number since the link they posted had nothing to do with Hamdan vs. Rumsfeld I was told I was being uncivil I explained to them that 158 page document is not a source if you cannot even cite a page in it I told them I would leave it to the end of the day however for them to provide a source. He then told me I am violating WP:AGF and WP:OWN, yet still refusing to give a page number, now telling me to look in the newyorker, however that doesnt mention Hamdan is tied to UET. I explained this to them and gave a quote of what it does say. They then went on to state its about signing statements and inherent authority, so now at this stage Nescio is no longer claiming Hamdan vs Rumsfeld is linked. They went on to call the US justice system a Kangaroo court and at that point I stopped responding . He has still yet to provide a source that says UET is part of WOT, only his own conclusions which are a violation of WP:OR.

Misrepresentation of who is reverting

If you actually view the history of the Zarqawi program page you can see I have been editing behind Nescio and not reverting. However the first edit nescio makes is always a revert, then continues to make smaller edits to the article, with lacking summaries:

• Revert on July 17th - - "the massive removal of info and misrepresentation of the original articles is to difficult to undo so I rv"
• Revert on July 18th - - "rv revert that was done in several edits, please every thing you censor is relevant and sourced, you may have another POV, but Misplaced Pages is not about redacting out information that is uncomfortable"
• Revert on July 18th - - "v massive deletion, arguments are flawed so please address the rebuttal before reverting again, warring is silly when you can also try and justify your objections."
• Revert on July 19th - - "restored original version while awaiting debate, please Zero discussion is so much nicer than edit warring"
• Revert on July 19th - - "estored work in progress per talk, als rm POV tag, AFAIK there should no longer be a problem, Zero has promised to first start justifying his edit and to stop making statements"
• Revert on July 20th - - "do not blindly reevert, you have to explain massive edits, second you even reverted my correction of the WqaPo link, WP:AGF"
• Revert on July 20th - - "restored attempt at creating a serious page, Zero please first jusrify massively rewriting, as huge changes without first trying to discuss is highly "frowned upon""
• Revert on July 21st - - "restored work in progress, corrected Salon misrepresentation, removed biography"
• Revert on July 21st - - "restored non-POV version"
• Revert on July 21st - - "restored info deleted by "the decider" which he had not noticed was taken from Newsweek, and again restarting attempt to improve while Zero only contributes by reverting"

So as can be seen the reverting is not one sided. Furthermore this users edit summaries normally consist of one word when they are not reverting, such as "clarfiying" "expanded" "example" "tweak" etc. Not very informative to other editors, where all of my edits are fully summarized to explain what and why edits are happening. You can see them on the history page .

Failure to understand WP:RS

User keeps attempting to add quotes from a self published, non notable article from a non expert in the field of terrorism or even law enforcement. Nescio has been told that this source fails WP:RS by 3 different users and continues to insert quotes by that writer, stating bias sources are allowed ... failing to address the issue of it being self published, not peer reviewd, not from a journalist, not even from a expert in the field.

• TheronJ telling Nescio is fails WP:RS
• Morton Devonshire telling Nescio it fails WP:RS
• Myself telling Nescio it fails WP:RS

Nescio does not even attempt to address the arguement, instead he attempts to change the reason to bias or other reason: *Telling Morton bias sources are allowed -

• Telling Morton that the New York Times does not fact check, evidence is Judith Miller -
• Nescio again not addressing WP:RS, attempting to limit arguement to bias -

I revert without explanation

The claim that I revert "but never with a full explanation substantiating his claims", I show the following original edits, all fully summarized:

• removed information clearinghouse source. Bias source, as per VP:RS bias sources should not be used as sole sources for information
• Please do not remove factual information, your editorial is more suspect then the Washington Post
• readded quote that explains the "Home Audience" its directly in the source, please be careful of selective quoting

Note this edit is actually jsut adding a space, I noticed I forgot an edit summary on the prior edit, so I created a line break and added the summary for the last one.

• Program - removed portion already in header, its redundant

NoteIts stated almost word for word in the header.

• removed Agencee France quote as its about an unrelated program as well as Rumsfeld document, against I ask you to supply a source stating this PSYOP is part of that roadmap, thank you.'
• removed quote as its already mentioned in header in same detail, actually more clearer since it explains home audience, be careful of selective quoting

Note Contained a selective quote from Washington Post without the trailing information of specifying the program did not target civilians etc.

• removed program section, its covered in header. sources were not about this program and quote is covered in header
• Removed WOT as again its more directly linked to Iraq War, removed Smith Mundt Act, again please prove this program violates this act, no OR please
• rm Roadmap, please provide a source stating these two events are linked

As pointed out above this user still has not provided a source linking Operations Information Roadmap and Zarqawi PSYOP program, not an article that even mentions Smith-Mundt Act.

Nescio's violations of WP:POINT

Adds items to War on Terrorism template, stating Iraq War is part of War on Terrorism:

• Zarqawi PSYOP Program:
• Downing Street Memo:

User removes Iraq War from template: User removed "Part of War on Terrorism" from the Iraq War page: How can the Iraq War not be part of the War on Terrorism, but all its sub events be part of it? This user goes on to remove the War on Terrorism template from the NATO page: Then states NATO is the sole participant in the WOT: They claim this was a grammar issue, however it was pointed out numerous times on the War on Terrorism talk page to this user that some campaigns are US only, some are NATO without US, some are NATO with US and some dont involve NATO at all: This concludes with them stating they will edit other articles to reflect somethnig I did not state: in violation of WP:POINT, do not disrupt other articles to prove a point. After much of this happened the user felt it was necessary to flood the War on Terrorism template with numerous unrelated terrorist acts after I added the Chechen rebel leader, since someone added the Chechen War. The edit summaries are included to show the WP:POINT violation, instead of voicing concern no the talk page about hsi addition, he simply flooded the template being highly disruptive:

• - appartently everything should be listed
• - apparently all terrorism is included

Misplaced Pages:WOT WP:POINT Violations

The user appeared on the poll that was attempting to determine if users felt the Iraq War was part of the War on Terrorism. After arguing on the page for some time over the justification of the war being wrong, they were pointed to the header that explained the poll was not attempting to place blame or justify anything, simply state if the war was launched as part of the War on Terrorism. From there they proceeded with the following actions:

Adding and removing of information from the header, changing what the poll was addressing, 18+ ppl voted at this point.

Removal of their comments in protest even though people have replied to them. Makes the page unreadable, obvious disruption. 20+ comments being removed.

Constantly Changing Arguements

The following takes place during a Mediation Cabal. They stated their removal of the 2005 Bali bombing article from the War on Terrorism template was by accident however they stated no the template talk page that it was done on purpose. They have now resorted to stating they just felt it was a minor event and not a major one even though they deleted the item instead of moving it to "related events" section on the template, both times that they removed it. This switch in arguement is repeated on the talk page here, first stating it was an error then now stating it was because they felt it wasnt a main event.

AGF

This user states I violate WP:AGF, however they refuse to actually show an example. I will show some of the things they have said to me in volation of WP:AGF:

• - "The fact you are unable to resist pestering me yet again, proves you are not interested in any mediation. Stop harrassing me and await the procedure or admit you have something against me personally"
  • I keep trying to explain to this user I do not have a personal problem with them, I just want them to source their material and prove links exist, however whenever I ask for source I get told I am attacking and pestering them.
• - "Since you are reporting me, can you also report yourself as vandal for refusing to read the evidence I provide and then rv my edits on account of there being no evidence"
  • There was a 3RR report this comment is in response to. The outcome was a block.
• - "you are now trolling since the entire explanation can be found on the article about UET, signing statement, et cetera. The fact you fail to read them but still claim UET is not being used proves you are only being a dick"
  • This is in response to me asking them to provide sources. I would like to point out that "War on Terror" is not located in the article for unitary executive theory at all, except in the "see also" section.
• - "Then continues ignoring several clear questions showing he is wrong and appears to have developed an addiction to edit warring."
• - "but you might look into it more and discover there is a campaign against me by two editors and the 3RR report surely is part of that"
  • After being blocked for violating 3RR
• - "False, you removed my comment on the votestacking in that poll as a personal attack."
  • They advertised their RFC in a MFD vote, I removed it because it seemed like link spamming, it was added back with an explanation by a 3rd party and I left it.
• - "All in all his behaviour highly similar to that of a disruptive troll that is stalking me."
  • This is actually stated while asking a user to mediate the conflict ... what a way to start mediation.

Closing Statement

This user has a habit of stating I have a personal problem with them and I "stalk them", however these accusations appear when they are asked to provide sources, which they seem to not want to do. I have said before I think nescio is a good editor, however my opinion is starting to change. I have asked this user to cease inserting original research into articles and they have just continued to do so. I have removed alot from the Zarqawi PSYOP program page and I added some. The article in the condition Nescio wants to keep it is 50% quotes and introductions to quotes. Its also highly POV as it states quotes but not their follow up information, as highlighted above.

Furthermore I never said a bias article cannot be used, I said a bias article should not be the only source for information. Finally in relation to the Zarqawi program article I want to state that 25% of the quotes on the page in the version Nescio wants to keep come from a non expert who wrote an editorial for a site that cannot be confirmed to reliable or verifiable. The article in question is an editorial that is self published as Michel Chossudovsky, the person being quoted, runs the website. Its the responcibility of authors to verify their sources.

In closing from Nescio' statements above he fails to grasp the concept of OR. He wants to take a law, interpret it and make a statement of fact from it, without requiring a source that supports it. To state the invasion of Iraq is a war crime he draws the following links with original research (1) that his understanding of the law is correct (2) he is aware of all treaties, rulings, etc that would alter that law (3) that a case has been made to a court that its a war crime by an appropriate prosecutor (4) that its been ruled on by a competant court, or at least that the arguement has been heard by a court with appropriate jurisdiction. Its not for us wikipedians, especially those without degrees in international law, to look at a document as complex as the geneva convention and decide for a fact that a certain war is a war crime, especially when we may not even be aware of alternate rulings, laws, limitations etc. But that is Nescio's style, he uses logic statements to attempt to make information into facts, however that is in violation of the basic principle of WP:OR. To counter his arguement, to state the Iraq War was a "war of agression" is to say that the US did not attack Iraq out of self defense, which there is no 100% proof of, so it cannot be a fact, he keeps arguing the UN did not support it, however the UN does not have to support it if its a war of self defense. As you can see the situation is highly complex and I am not even a lawyer, neither is Nescio which goes to show why we should not be drawing our own conclusions. --zero faults 13:46, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Statement by Socafan

I find it disturbing that someone who made the first edit just two and a half months ago has already been blocked 4 times for revert wars and aggressive behaviour and invests such a tremendous amount of his editing on conflicts. Please help to find a way to make this a fruitful editor or to reduce the amount of time others need to deal with the conflicts. Socafan 22:43, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Statement by Circeus

My involvement is practically accidental, after I protected the Template:War on Terrorism page from an ogoing revert war. I have also suggested (although only to Zer0fault), that War on Terrorism be rewritten completely, due to the massive amount of {{fact}} tags. However no matter who might be right or wrong, this conflict does appear to be a sterile standoff between the two users and very little constructive editing (but a LOT of arguing) has come out of it. Circeus 02:38, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Clerk notes

(This area is used for notes by non-recused clerks.)

Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter (1/0/0/0)

• Accept, to look at both parties. Dmcdevit·t 15:57, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

user:Coolcaesar

Involved Parties

(some parties may not be contributing to Misplaced Pages at the present time, and many other users who are involved may not be listed) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.227.173.154 (talk • contribs)

user:Coolcaesar

user:Ericsaindon2

user:Mr.Executive

user:OC31113

user:Decimal10

user:Asbestos

user:off!

user:Siroxo

user:SleekWeasel

user:Invitatious

user:ThomasisScholar

user:24.64.223.203

user:Rewinn

user:Preslethe

user:Fahrenheit451

user:Gleng

Comfirm all parties are aware of request

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user:Mr.Executive-initiator

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user:Asbestos ]

user:Siroxo ]

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user:Invitatious ]

user:ThomasisScholar ]

user:24.64.223.203 ]

user:Rewinn ]

user:Preslethe ]

user:Fahrenheit451 ]

user:Gleng ]

Confirmation that other steps in dispute resolution have been tried

• User has been warned that further consequences will come if his personal attacks don’t cease on numerous occasions

• This user tends to use inappropriate language, and uses personal attacks for his own benefit in a situation. Despite the notices of his inappropriate actions (in list above) he continues to bring negative energy to the project, and tends to humiliate other users

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• This user also tends to leave inappropriate and degrading comments as his edit summary. Since he usually does not back his statements up on talk pages, most of this disruptive behavior is seen in the edit summary. He tends to disrespect the hard work of others in these summaries.

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• User misuses the term “vandalism" in its context on a continuous basis

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Checkuser request

Due to the allegations that user:Coolcaesar has used sock puppets, I request that the CheckUser tool be used to inspect the records in regard to user:Anaheimat.

Suspected puppets

• Anaheimat (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)

Statement by user:Mr.Executive

User:Coolcaesar has involved himself in many controversial pages in his career at Misplaced Pages. However, in most cases it is reasonable for two editors to disagree from time to time. This particular user tends to make derogatory comments, misuses the term of vandalism, and degrades the emotions of the people he disagrees with. Over the past two years, over 50 Wikipedians have fallen victim to his cruel comments and harsh reactions to disagreements on a page. He has been notified plenty of times for his egotistic attitude, and strong views, but continues to use his comments in a ruthless and inhumane way. This type of an extremely negative attitude disrupts the other editors who engage in normal conversations. These users do not deserve these comments they receive just for having a different viewpoint, yet find themselves humiliated with his comments in front of many other editors who read these personal attacks. As we all know, this type of editing and commenting does not provide any positive change to the Misplaced Pages community, and has gone on long enough. One major Misplaced Pages rule that is probably most shun upon is the devaluing and personal attacks toward new users who are learning their way around Misplaced Pages. Many users who edit a page for their first time do so incorrectly, but user:Coolcaesar tends to use personal attacks and their lack of knowledge against them. He is also suspected of having a sockpuppet, user:Anaheimat, which as an experienced Wikipedian, he knows that these are prohibited. Another tendency of this user is to revert edits continuously, as for he claims articles as “his own”, and leaves personal attacks on these edit summaries.

Note - I blocked User:Mr.Executive for being a sockpuppet of the currently blocked User:Ericsaindon2. See the discussion of this action. -SCEhardT 19:59, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Note- This users allegations are just speculation, and have no found proof or evidence. Please disregard these statements because they are based on no fact. --69.232.50.106 21:35, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Statement by User:Coolcaesar

This request for arbitration is clearly a retaliatory and harassing move on the part of Ericsaindon2 in response to my recent filing of a request for arbitration against him. Furthermore, to file it, he used a sockpuppet for the umpteenth time in violation of Misplaced Pages policy (as noted by SCEhardt). I have already noted Ericsaindon's attempt at retaliation on the Evidence page for Ericsaindon2's arbitration.

I will concede that on certain occasions I have forgotten about the civility policy (particularly when I was editing WP to cool off after a bad day and came across inept edits or clear vandalism). But I also wish to remind the Committee that unlike Ericsaindon2, the vast majority of my edits have greatly improved the encyclopedia. In particular, see my work on Lawyer, Roger J. Traynor, Rest area, Pruneyard Shopping Center, the State Bar of California, and the Supreme Court of California. Unlike me, very few editors go to the trouble of providing citations to reliable, verifiable hard copy sources for the assertions in their edits.

Also, because of my passion for Misplaced Pages, I have provided under the GFDL many high-quality photographs of important places and things; see Puerto Vallarta, Motel 6, University of California, Santa Barbara, FedEx, and World Wide Web.

I apologize for my tendency towards excessively harsh commentary. In the future, I will be more careful about complying with the civility policy. I ask all members of the Committee to vote to reject Ericsaindon2's frivolous request. --Coolcaesar 05:53, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

In response to Ericsaindon2's rather self-serving statement, I wish to point out that I have always acted in good faith. I have been careful to comply with core Misplaced Pages policies: Misplaced Pages:Verifiability, Misplaced Pages:Neutral point of view, Misplaced Pages:No original research, and Misplaced Pages:What Misplaced Pages is not while Ericsaindon2 has repeatedly inserted unverifiable, partisan original research as if Misplaced Pages were his personal soapbox — as I have pointed out on the Evidence page for his arbitration. Even though I do not always agree with the consensus of the community, I have conceded to it many times, and I have been careful to not violate the 3RR rule or to use sockpuppets. This is why I have never been blocked, while in contrast, Ericsaindon2 has been blocked seven times so far ], and his sockpuppets Mr.Executive and Mr.Executive2 have been blocked indefinitely. Having failed in his quest to distort the Anaheim Hills article (which was properly resisted by User:Mike Dillon and User:Will Beback), Ericsaindon2 is now lashing out in a vindictive bad faith action against me, just because I stepped in and did the legal research that conclusively repudiated his position (see the arguments and counterarguments at Talk:Anaheim Hills, Anaheim, California). I again urge the Committee to vote to reject this frivolous request. --Coolcaesar 16:35, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

User Coolcaesar, this issue is not involving Ericsaindon2, or Mr.Executive, but rather involving the negative attitude and personal attacks commited by you, and is meant to only be used to comment on your unacceptable actions, and not anyone elses doings but your own. Please keep comments about other users limited to the Arbitration Case that it belongs with. Your statement is more apppropriate for the Arbitration Case involving Ericsaindon2, but not this one. Thank You. --69.227.173.154 03:35, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Ericsaindon2, nobody is fooled by your self-serving statements and dilatory tactics. Your motive boils down to this: If I can't edit Misplaced Pages, then I'll make sure no one else can either! Instead of spending hours identifying every instance over a two year period where I was editing Misplaced Pages on a bad day, you could have restored your own credibility by taking a bus to downtown Anaheim and pulling public records that would support your position. I have built my reputation on Misplaced Pages through thousands of significant edits over two years, all of which have substantially improved large portions of the encyclopedia (though my edit summaries may have been overly emotional); you destroyed your reputation in less than three months. That is the core of this dispute, and the issue of your bad behavior is already before the Committee. --Coolcaesar 06:30, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

My motive is this...if someone does something wrong, and causes problems, they should serve punishment for it. I did not even file this ArbCom case, although I probably should have before your attitude got out of hand when I was editing with you. And to say this about your editing history, in a court of law, the judge does not care whether a gas station clerk or a CEO is involved in the same case, it is that the person did wrongdoings-and should serve the consequenses of those wrongdoings. So dont act like I am seeking revenge, because it is YOUR actions that landed you here, not my actions. Just take responsibility for your actions, pay the consequenses for your actions, and stop trying to start personally attacking other people when they are trying to control your behavior. --69.227.173.154 06:43, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Comment by User:JCO312

Although not involved in this dispute, I have been involved with several articles that User:Coolcaesar has also edited, most notably the article on Capital punishment. I have never seen any comments from him that rise to the level of "inhumane." It's true that he is assertive in his edits and comments; he has also always been correct in every edit I've ever seen. There are unquestionably users out here who abuse others, but I firmly believe that Coolcaesar is not one of them. JCO312 13:20, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Comment by President Lethe

I'm not involved in this dispute.

When I got notice of this matter, I wasn't sure what it was all about. I knew I had seen several edits by Coolcaesar at "United States" and Talk:United States, and I didn't have any specific recollection of hostility there.

Then I remembered that he'd been the one to write "DUDE! ARE YOU BLIND OR DYSLEXIC OR SOMETHING? Read the top of this page! There's a humongous link RIGHT THERE to Talk:United States/Frequently asked questions. That's the sixth or seventh time that question has been asked this year!" at Talk:United States—but, when I originally saw that edit, I took it as somewhat humorous, one-off flabbergastedness.

This morning, however, having looked at every one of the references of Coolcaesar's behavior linked above, I'm ... just very surprised and rather annoyed.

Now I also see that Coolcaesar is the person whose "idiot" and "dumb" edit summaries at "Raised pavement marker" led me to leave a brief comment at his/her Talk page once.

I don't know what to say. My recollection of most of what Coolcaesar has done at "United States" and its Talk for the last weeks is one of decent civility. Why Coolcaesar has such a different style elsewhere: it baffles me. I've seen Coolcaesar be decent and civil and even nice; so why all the hostility and meanness and personal attacks elsewhere? I'm sure other users exhibit the same contradictions; but it's just strange to see such detail of it in one specific user.

The main thing that gets me is the NUMBER of instances of incivility: so many times calling things a mess and calling users idiots and dumb and bozos and ... just on and on and on. Appalling.

I know Coolcaesar is capable of being a good contributor; it's happened plenty of times. But something must be done to effect the end of the poor behavior. Immediately. This behavior must not continue.

One last point. About Coolcaesar's describing non-vandalism as vandalism: at least one of the examples given above is inappropriate; Coolcaesar's edit here most definitely looks to me like reverting vandalism. In a few of the other examples, while I wouldn't necessarily reach a vandalism conclusion, I can see how someone else (e.g., Coolcaesar) might reasonably reach it.

President Lethe 15:17, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

I feel compelled to supplement my comments.

While Coolcaesar may not have gone against other Misplaced Pages rules and guidelines, I don't find that mitigating; also not mitigating in the matter of Coolcaesar's behavior is Ericsaindon2's behavior. When your neighbor sues you for crashing your car through her fence, it doesn't matter that you've always paid your rent and never beaten your kids, while your neighbor has been convicted of possessing pot and has disobeyed housing-association guidelines in building the swingset in her back yard; the point is that you crashed your neighbor's fence. (I'm not drawing any connections between these specific example behaviors and what Coolcaesar and Ericsaindon2 have done. I'm simply pointing out the dissociation.)

I'm baffled by the comments left by users who find themselves unable to believe the Coolcaesar has ever been unreasonably and oft repeatedly rude at Misplaced Pages. The evidence is linked just some paragraphs above their comments.

President Lethe 14:20, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Comment by BlankVerse

I'm not involved in this dispute.

There has been no RFC, nor an RFM. This RFaR should be summarily dismissed.

Furthermore, I think that a checkuser should be done comparing user:Mr.Executive with both user:Ericsaindon2 and user:OC31113.

A check user was filed with user:Morven by user:Mr.Executive earlier yesterday in an effort to remove any speculation that the two parties are afiliated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.227.173.154 (talk • contribs) (who, by their edit to the Ericsaidon2 RFA evidence page, implies that they are user:Ericsaindon2.

Even if a checkuser comes up negative or inconclusive, the editing style and wording, plus the style and wording of the spamming of article pages against Coolceasar says that Mr. Executive is Ericsaidon2. 17:54, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh, yeah right, if it comes up false (which it will) you cannot treat this user like you have treated me. There is no way any of that stuff you have done to him is going to last... --69.227.173.154 00:25, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Because of the way that my ISP handles it's POPs, I could easily look like three different users that would come up completely negative on a checkuser check. If I wanted to risk inconclusive checkuser results, I could also look like users in two different counties, in four different area codes, up to 30 miles apart. If I started borrowing or paying for internet access from friends, neighbors, work, the local libraries, Kinko's, etc., I could have a dozen or more sockpuppets that would get completely negative results from a checkuser check. That's one reason that doing a check is as much art as science and access to the tool is limited to those who can interpret the results. 09:59, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, Coolceasar occasionally gets grumpy in his edit summaries, and I have even scolded him once for losing his cool, but if I did as much vandal fighting as he does I'd probably get just as grumpy and start leaving snarky edit summaries as well. On the other hand, we share an interest in Southern California topics, so I've seen him do plenty of good article edits, and leave lots of comments on article talk pages. I've never seen any of grumpy comments on article talk pages, where sometimes he has also had very good reasons to be exasperated as well. 17:02, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Note:It is kind of sad that you know Coolcaesar is wrong in this case and needs to be punished, but your only defense is trying to put down the person who filed the complaint, and their specific wrongdoings. It is very sad. --69.227.173.154 00:29, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

I do think that Coolceasar's 'uncool' remarks in his edit summaries are an area where he should show more restraint, but at this time an RFC for that behavior is what is warranted. This RFaR is premature and should be dismissed. 09:59, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Comment by SteveBaker

I am not involved in this dispute.

user:Coolcaesar has left numerous comments on Computer and everything I see there seems very level-headed and reasonable. I have not always agreed with him - but the conversation has always remained civil and polite. SteveBaker 22:28, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Comment by Fahrenheit451

user:Coolcaesar did commit a personal attack and was uncivil in this discussion: Wikipedia_talk:Reliable_sources/archive3#My_view_of_this_debate I had no other incidents with him before or after the cited incident.--Fahrenheit451 00:58, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Comment by Rewinn

user:Coolcaesar's edit summary is disparaging to an editor, and his comment at is both snotty and wrongheaded. For my part, I laughed it off and gave him the snub direct and was satisfied, but since we are here, let me make an additional comment.

I hope it is not inappropriate to note that the intersection of his and my interests is our profession: user:Coolcaesar describes himself as a young lawyer, and I am a not-so-young lawyer, with extensive experience in bar associations. Misplaced Pages's dispute resolution procedure is a remarkable development the legal profession should study for applications elsewhere. Tools for dispute-resolution can always improve! In this case, I think we can agree on a few basic rules, in particular:

1. Edit summaries must never disparage another editor
2. Edit summaries should rarely if ever name an editor or contain a naughty word
3. An apology goes a long way.

I am willing to live by the above code and to apologize when someone tells me I've slipped. Is this an appropriate request to make of user:Coolcaesar? It would be a shame to lose a prolific editor on a question of manners, if that's what this is. rewinn 05:08, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I see Coolcaesar apologized very nicely at 05:53, 21 July 2006 (UTC). Thank you. I suggest we drop it and move on. rewinn 21:07, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Comment by Will Beback

I made a previous comment , but it was moved out of this case by the nominator. Instead of fighting over that, I'll write fresh material.

Since this request has been filed by EricSaindon2's puppet and since Coolcaesar filed a request about ES, it would be typical to merge this case with ES's case. However this RfAr does not fit that mold because this request does not merit arbitration. While CC has used frank language at times, there have never been serious formal complaints - no mediation, no RfC, no AN/I threads. This request has obviously been brought simply as revenge against CC for his RfAr on ES.

CC is a valued, longterm contributor to this project who has my full support. -Will Beback 09:10, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Mediation was offered to settle a dispute between several editors, and rejected by user:Coolcaesar which was offered by user:PS2pcGAMER on the Talk:Anaheim Hills, Anaheim, California page for he thought another user should just "give in" to what he requests out of the page, and instead of taking this more peaceful approach, he decided to file an Arbitration Case. I dont think it would be any use just one week later to try and introduce mediation again. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.227.172.90 (talk • contribs) .

Comment by Ericsaindon2

I know I am on block but I am highly involved in this user’s personal attitude, and attacks. I will return to my block once I make this statement, because I feel, since this is the user that blocked me, I need to make a statement when he faces a similar situation. I have, over the past month been harassed by this user. I was involved in a content dispute with him, and he continued to use the slander, and inappropriate language, as exemplified above (but for some reason not all of it is shown above). He degraded me and treated me inhumanely throughout the entire month for just a content dispute. I made no personal attacks against him, but he came at me all the time for reverting uncalled for edits he had made, and treating all my work as vandalism, even though it was not. He seems to, by the statements and proof above, feel that if it doesn’t go his way, he can trash talk the users, and therefore creating disputes which are counter productive. His personal attacks need to stop now, for they are uncalled for, and unmanageable. I feel that mediation would never work because this user has been warned in excess of a dozen times by high Misplaced Pages figures and admins that his behavior is unacceptable, but continues his trend. He needs a break from Misplaced Pages to think about what he is doing, and how he can change it to become productive, and stop being the instigator and attacker that he has become on this website. The debate in which I received my Arbitration case for were far less significant and destructive as his have become. My comments were not ruthless, and all my disputes were limited to the one page, whereas this particular user has created chaos and devalued Misplaced Pages with counter-productivity on over 50 pages, and has involved and attacked 30+ users. I don’t care who was right in the situation over the content dispute, his behavior was downright uncalled for, and needs to be terminated, and treated as such. People are not rag dolls like he has tended to treat them without punishment. Using the profanity used by this user is the worst offense committed on Misplaced Pages, and people have rights to be treated like people, which is far worse than the easily fixable edits I made with good intentions that got me blocked. Plus, in cases like this, where it was me, sorry is just too late, and there is a point when the word sorry has been abused so many times that it carries no meaning for certain people, like in this case. I urge you to take this case, because the attitude of this user is reckless, and uncalled for, and despite any apologies, it has all been heard before by this user, and still no change. This user can use all the excuses to why he committed these malicious attacks, but in the end, like in my case, it doesn’t matter, it is the harm you created and the people you offended that matters. I don’t think that he should be completely abolished from Misplaced Pages, for he does make the occasional good edit as stated by users above, but a temporary block would help this user, and give him time to thoroughly understand Misplaced Pages and its rules and how to treat people. -- Ericsaindon2 09:58, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Clerk notes

(This area is used for notes by non-recused clerks.)

Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter (0/1/0/0)

• This requst is confusing: evidence of misconduct is not the same thing as prior dispute resolution. It appears there has been none, other than some warnings about rudeness, and this probably does not rise to the level of arbitration yet. In any case, the Ericsaindon2 case is closely related, and any evidence offered there will be considered, so reject. Dmcdevit·t 16:15, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Humus sapiens abuse of Administrative Power

Involved parties

http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Humus_sapiens

http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Israel

http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Adam777

http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Smitty_Mcgee

http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Itsmejudith

http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Kusnetsov

http://en.wikipedia.org/User:Bhouston

http://en.wikipedia.org/User:MSTCrow

Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request

http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Humus_sapiens

http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Israel

http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Adam777

http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Smitty_Mcgee

http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Itsmejudith

http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Kusnetsov

http://en.wikipedia.org/User:Bhouston

http://en.wikipedia.org/User:MSTCrow

Confirmation that other steps in dispute resolution have been tried

(Admin has taken ownership of article and is impacted my any edits to thus article personally. Attempts at solving the issues were made on numerous occassions on talk:Isreal to no avail. The user keeps deleting posts that he deems innapropraite or anti-Zionist, peoples edits have been deleted and users banned under the guise of vandalism)

Since the complaint focuses solely on abuse of administrative powers, mediation and the other dispute resolution steps do not offer appropriate oversight/solution for this particular set of allegations. This approach appears standard in these instances. Please see Homeontheorange above et al. 68.6.254.16 15:11, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Statement by party 1

is abusing his administrative rights. He has repeatedly reverted legitimate edits citing vandalism as the reason. His personal POV should not set presidence on page edits on Misplaced Pages. I wish to have his adminship revoked as he has shown a lack of neutrality and impartiality when it comes to edits on Zionist related pages. He is not the protecter of Zionism on wikipedia and is a administrator. He has flagrantly banned members or requested other admins who patrol the same articles to keep a POV base running to ban people who edit them. As a new wikipedia user, I find a neutral perspective lacking from many articles he has dictated. I added POV tags to an article only to have them removed and them banned. Attempts at mediation and consensus have been attempted on the talk:Israel page for a few weeks with no fruition. It ends up with the admin and his "friends" being uncivil and calling everyone who doesn't edit the article to their liking anti-jewish or anti-semetic. If you are an administraor you shall not take sided on issues and look at them impartially. If you look at the edit history and look a little deeper you will see that has not been followed.

--Oiboy77 09:38, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Humus Sapiens is attempting to portray Israel in a sympathetic, rather than objective, light. However, a recent development on the Talk:Israel page leads me to believe that a section on Israeli human rights abuses may soon be added to the article. If Humus does not attempt to block this procedure, then I believe that removal of his administrative privelages would be unnecessary. I understand that he does not want the article to lean in the opposite direction, and I think that this new section could be accepted by all parties.

--Smitty Mcgee 15:59, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

I have observed the same problems. He has used the same tactics on the Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad article as well. There appears to be a small cabal of user accounts that work on these related articles that he coordinates with to ban/revert statements and sources that contradict his apparent point of view. The guise is usually calling it vandalism. If you read his discussion page, it is a novel of response from people for whom he has left nasty comments/threats on their userpages. Should this behavior really be reinforced with Administrator privileges? I don't think so.

Since this claim revolves around actual allegations of abuse of Administrative powers, "mediation" and other steps are obviously not an appropriate or viable solution. As I suggested, simply looking at Humus Sapiens' "user contributions" shows a disproprortionate and shocking number of reversions. This is the evidence to which we refer. Mostly he makes seemingly reasonable but completely false edit notes such as "vandalism" to justify. As we all know the "3" in 3RR is only a guideline. Just because he is careful to avoid technical violation through this account, engaging in this behavior in a disruptive way is grounds for disciplinary action (esp. when facilitated with admin tools). I would also warn about his red herring pattern of quoting myriad policy pages unrelated to the allegations against him. This gives the false appearance that his accusers are discredited because he somehow has a greater knowledge of 'the rules' by virtue of the fact he can link to 20 policy pages. This is meaningless in this context and unrelated to his own revert behavior and userpage namecalling/taunting.

Finally, I would also say OiBoy is representative of only a miniscule fraction of HS' impact. I only coincendentally found this arbitration hearing, and am giving feedback because I share the complaint in an entirely different article from the one in which OiBoy and others here are involved. I suspect that if expanded notification was given there would be a vastly enlarged section of people advocating these observations and their hamrful/disruptive nature. Otherwise you see Humus Sapiens' "friends" listing how he is a great person (opinion), or criticizing OiBoy (red herring). We need a factual examination of the behavior of Humus Sapien, not the accuser.

--Sarastro777 22:11, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Since apparently it is our burden to cull the evidence, here is a snapshot from his brief involvement with the Ahmadenijad article and a snapshot examination of his last 50 history from User Contributions.

(cur) (last) 11:03, 13 June 2006 Humus sapiens (Talk | contribs) (RV whitewash. See talk) http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad&oldid=58371811

-He deleted material that was written objectively and sourced from Reuters

(cur) (last) 04:22, 13 June 2006 Humus sapiens (Talk | contribs) (RV Sarastro777: see WP:RS and don't scour the net for old/unreputable opinions to confirm your POV) http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad&oldid=58334203

-Deleted the same material sourced from Reuters as "unreputable"

(cur) (last) 22:14, 13 June 2006 Humus sapiens (Talk | contribs) (RV Sarastro777: stop childish behavior and namecalling. See talk)

(cur) (last) 22:09, 13 June 2006 Sarastro777 (Talk | contribs) (Discussion does not validate censorship. Please stop deleting to your POV)

- Namecalling in edit notes, continues outright deleting contributions of other editors.

(cur) (last) 04:33, 28 June 2006 Humus sapiens (Talk | contribs) (RV 68.6.254.16: read on, you are close) http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad&oldid=60964265

- Removed a citation needed tag with a specious apparent reference to ONE source.. which did not qualify usage of word "widely"

Oh his last 50 edits... 11 have the outright edit note of Revert or RV, and many others are the same thing without the proper notation. Here is a brief excerpt of only the last 50 off his history page.

Quoting from..Misplaced Pages:Three-revert_rule

"Persistent reversion remains strongly discouraged and is unlikely to constitute working properly with others."

In light of the above, does this small snapshot of revert behavior constitute "working properly with others"?

Quoting from .. Misplaced Pages:revert

"Reverting should be used primarily for fighting vandalism. ...

Reverting a good-faith edit may send the message that "I think your edit was no better than vandalism and doesn't deserve even the courtesy of an explanatory edit summary." It is a slap in the face to a good-faith editor."

Please consider the above when reading what follows....

11:00, 19 July 2006 (hist) (diff) m Karameh (Reverted edits by 196.205.130.214 (talk) to last version by 208.131.189.171) (top)

- This one replaced "Palestinian" with "Terrorist" - is that a NPOV word?

04:43, 20 July 2006 (hist) (diff) Roman salute (RV Joturner. A clear example of the subject. What makes it irrelevant?) (top)

- Used revert to keep picture of Hezbollah recruits in a seemingly unrelated article about an Ancient Roman practice.

04:35, 20 July 2006 (hist) (diff) Anti-Semitism (RV Yousaf465: this is well documented) (top)

- "well documented" but he reverted and still did not provide a source

10:43, 21 July 2006 (hist) (diff) User talk:66.181.1.98 (top) Your comment is against our policies. Next time you will be blocked without further warning. ?Humus sapiens ??? 10:43, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

- How about explaining rules to new users rather than threatening/intimidating them away from Misplaced Pages??

11:28, 21 July 2006 (hist) (diff) Talk:Israel ({Off topic warning})

- Tagged another user for questioning objectivity of the word "Homicide Bomber"

21:52, 20 July 2006 (hist) (diff) User talk:80.43.11.159 (Blatant vandalism) (top) Welcome to Misplaced Pages. We invite everyone to contribute constructively to our encyclopedia. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing. However, unconstructive edits, such as those you made to Zionism, are considered vandalism. If you continue in this manner you may be blocked from editing without further warning. Please stop, and consider improving rather than damaging the hard work of others. Thanks. ?Humus sapiens ??? 21:52, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

- called edits he disagreed with "blatant vandalism" (see parenthetical) and rather than educating unregistered (apparently) new user, threatened to ban him/her. I think he does not understand what at best may be POV statements as opposed to true vandalism.

Using his powers to ban as an Administrator as a threat tool to corral edits to his POV is obviously unacceptable. ALL the more egregious when this perceived 'admin' power is used to scare away new users. Being a member of an unofficial and unrecognized "vandalism unit" with the stated purpose of developing anti-vandalism software, certainly does not in any way excuse this behavior. I am seeing a deep seated pattern that is disruptive to the functionality of this website, and a hinderance to its fundamental basis which is the open and free exchange of information. Misplaced Pages needs all people with an interest to add ideas with good intention.

Sarastro777 19:38, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Statement by Humus sapiens

Since 1) none of my admin action is challenged here, 2) there was no attempt of dispute resolution that I know of and 3) I am "meeting" many users listed against me for the first time here, it is not clear to me where did I commit my "abuse of Administrative Power". A short background:

Oiboy77 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log): persistent violations of WP policies (in particular WP:CIV, WP:NOR, WP:NPOV, WP:AGF, WP:SOAPBOX, WP:VANDAL, etc.) were reverted and criticized by a number of editors and he was blocked by a number of admins (myself included). His requests to unblock were reviewed and rejected.

Oiboy77's first contribution was to change "State of Israel" into "State of Palestine", a "rogue state". Since then, there was no improvement in either quality or radicalism: in his today's post to Vjam he mentions "the Utopian state of Isreal" . The following are a few out of many attempts to explain WP:RULES/warn/reason with him on his own talk page:

• 00:29, 29 June 2006 Tasc,
• 00:49, 29 June 2006 Humus sapiens,
• 11:39, 29 June 2006 Schrodingers Mongoose,
• 00:16, 1 July 2006 Pgk,
• 12:29, 1 July 2006 Lar,
• 15:06, 3 July 2006 Pilotguy,
• 14:27, 7 July 2006 Avraham,
• 02:59, 8 July 2006 Andypandy.UK,
• 10:21, 16 July 2006 Zsinj,
• 23:34, 18 July 2006 Blnguyen,
• 00:02, 19 July 2006 Karimarie, etc.

Instead of civilly discussing content issues, Oiboy77 opted for "inappropriate canvassing for harassment", as Jpgordon qualified it.

I noticed that Oiboy77 has updated his statement but still failed to substantiate his charges against me. It seems that Oiboy77 misunderstands the basics of WP policies and processes, in particular dispute resolution and mediation. I see this "case" as an attempt to intimidate me. Such efforts against those who disagree with his extemist POV seem to be his principal activity at WP: Moshe_Constantine_Hassan_Al-Silverburg, Schrodingers_Mongoose, Drini, Karimarie, Guy_Montag, Humus_sapiens, his other principal activity being radical soapboxing.

Smitty Mcgee (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) almost solely focuses on Talk:Israel where he engages in soapboxing, attempting to turn that article into a clone of another article, Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Sarastro777 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) concentrates on Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, where he had content disputes with several editors, including myself. None of my edits he listed as evidence involved admin powers. Instead, Sarastro777 chose to defend POV vandal, plainly antisemitic comment, whitewash attempt and condemn my citing WP policies & guidelines: WP:TALK, WP:CIV, etc. He did indeed "cull the evidence" adding misleading comments and omitting my attempt to compromise, another one or removal of anti-Arab allegations (explained when challenged).

I am a proud member of Misplaced Pages:Counter-Vandalism Unit and my watchlist includes thousands of pages. I prefer honest and detailed edit summaries; if asked, I can explain every edit I made. I take full responsibility for my actions and reject conspiracy allegations as childish and bad faith. ←Humus sapiens 23:01, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Statement by FrancisTyers ·

I'm going to make this very brief. I don't have any personal involvement in this, but received a message from User:Oiboy77 inviting me to comment. I recently posted some on the Deir Yassin massacre article. I note that he has also notified other people who expressed reservations about the content of the article, six at the last count. If this is normal procedure for RfAr, disregard this post, but it came across to me to be odd, RfAr is for when dispute resolution has failed, not for starting a pile on. - FrancisTyers · 17:08, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Statement by SlimVirgin

Oiboy77 has made all of 37 edits to articles, the rest to talk pages, since his first edit on June 29. Today, he posted to 16 user talk pages saying the user's "presence is requested at the Arbitration Re: Removal of humus sapiens admin privilages due to administrative abuse." SlimVirgin 01:38, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Statement by Karimarie

Being involved in the events leading up to this RFAR, I feel the need to comment. Humus sapiens has, from my perspective, not "abused" his position as an administrator in any fashion. This RFAR, as near as I can tell, does not assume good faith as it assumes Humus sapiens is deliberately working against the aims of the Misplaced Pages. Indeed, per Sarastro777 above, it assumes that there is a cabal of users who are actively working to disrupt the Misplaced Pages. In my eyes, this RFAR is in violation of WP:POINT and is thus a needless exercise. Kari Hazzard (T | C) 03:05, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Please see User_talk:Karimarie She has added blatant vandalism tags to my talk page because of a content dispute. She was told by an admin not to use the tags on my page. I removed them only to be banned by User:Avraham then having salacious remarks added to my talk page by User_talk:Humus sapiens Can you see a pattern here?--Oiboy77 20:23, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

The rationale for the placing a {{Template:blatantvandal}} tag on User:Oiboy77's talk page is described to the admin in question, User:Bishonen on his talk page. The vandalism for which he was warned can be viewed here and he conceded here that the edit in question was indeed vandalism. Kari Hazzard (T | C) 20:32, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

User:Karimarie there is a difference between vandalism and NPOV. I conceded that the comment I reverted to might not maintain a neutral POV. It is not appropiate to use {{Template:blatantvandal}} tags to my revert as its on basis with POV, NOT valdalism. I didn't remove or obscure an article, I simple reverted it to a previous edit. Then you asked your admin friend User_talk:Blnguyen for help and vandalized my talk page with a warning/threat ; which was even disputed by another admin. Then you User_talk:Humus sapiens and User_talk:Avraham continued to spam my user page with warning and threats and eventually a ban for archiving a post. See User_talk:Oiboy77 and User_talk:Oiboy77/Archive_1

--Oiboy77 22:12, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Statement by MSTCrow

In my opinion, this is a transparent attempt by users who have violated WP policy to remove a useful administrator for doing his job. Users are not given a carte blanch privilege to continuously abuse the article. I'd like to mention the originator of the RFAR, Oiboy77, has gone wild with personal attacks on my talk page, and has now begun to use sexually suggestive language. - MSTCrow 06:45, 20 July 2006 (UTC), edited MSTCrow 00:53, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Statement by adam777

I have made no edits on the Israel article though I personally find it POV but not as baddly as some other articles on Misplaced Pages which is why I added my vote that the article was biased (which is why I assume my presence was requested here). I have had no interaction with the admin in question so I cant offer any objective opinion on his actions. However I will say that the article is not NPOV and definately needs the inclusion of information on administrative detentions and Israeli human rights abuses as it does gloss over such actions. Both sides on Misplaced Pages are being highly partisan about this and frankly its quite stupid. Adam777 11:41, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Statement by Blnguyen

Originally I didn't think that I needed to comment, as I was mainly a passerby, but seeing Oiboy has made a comment above, I felt that I had to respond. KariMarie's only request to me was to block either a sock or an impersonator of a previously blocked User:CS Diplomat () and that I believe was a fair move and my only contact with Karimarie, contrary to Oiboy's claims of "friend", which may be insinuating impropriety on my part. A scroll through my edits to Israel will show that I am not an active editor, but only remove naked opinions from the page when they pop up, such as ( anti-Arab, and bogus "...part of Palestine"), and also I was accused by the opposite POV group of being an "Arab, or in the employ of Arabs". (). As far as I can see, Humus has not abused his powers by using it in a conflict of interest, but rather it seems as though Oiboy seeks to remove administrators whom he feels do not conform with his POV and pseudo-soapboxing edits to Israel. I cannot see any evidence of wrongdoing or an attempt to resolve disputes at all, so I am asking the Arbitration Committee to decline this request, which I feel is inappropriate. Thankyou, Blnguyen | rant-line 02:36, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Did you not remove the warnings from User:Karimarie's page that I posted. It seemed they were removed almost instantly.--Oiboy77 05:32, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

The WP:CVU has a policy of watching changes made to articles to resolve vandalism as it happens. We receive reports of suspicious-looking edits in our IRC channel through a bot operated by User:pgk. We do also police ourselves and monitor the edits made by our own members to ensure that CVU members are not themselves commiting vandalism. Your edit appeared in our channel as I recall, and I would presume Blnguyen observed this and after evaluating the situation chose to revert it. I had no communication with Blnguyen prior to the issue regarding the CS Diplomat sock and that was the only communication I had with him (her?) prior to your claim that we are "friends". I don't even know who he/she is, I know little or nothing about him/her personally. Please remember WP:TINC and that we're not all out to get you. There is no Zionist cabal as you claim, only different editors with their own varying individual biases, myself and yourself included. Kari Hazzard (T | C) 18:45, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Statement by Briangotts

In the absence of any attempt at dispute resolution I find this request for removal of admin privileges highly distasteful. It is a violation of any number of Misplaced Pages policies, not the least of which is WP:POINT. A cabal of dedicated POV warriors, having been thwarted in their attempts to turn an article into a soapbox, now seek to punish a dedicated and highly productive admin with this pile-on. This request should be denied at the earliest possible opportunity. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 12:53, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

• What he said. --jpgordon 05:13, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

• Take a look at User:Briangotts user page. See the list of "Favorite Users" Need I say more?--Oiboy77 00:04, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
  • No, actually, much less would have been preferable. --jpgordon 06:54, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Statement by User:Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg

This just seems like "getting back" behavior from three users that have only been trouble.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 21:36, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

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Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter (0/2/0/0)

• Reject, per SlimVirgin and BrianGotts: this is premature and with no evidence provided it might as well be frivolous. Dmcdevit·t 05:38, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
• "Frivolous" is perhaps an overly-strong term, but yes, reject. James F. (talk) 10:42, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

A Y Arktos v. 203.54.*.*

Involved parties

AYArktos (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)

Anon user editing from the following IPs (and more): 203.54.186.223 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.9.43 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.186.141 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.186.168 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.9.169 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.174.100/ (talk · contribs) / 203.54.9.206 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.174.12 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.186.127 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.186.125 (talk · contribs) /203.54.186.96 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.186.128 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.9.202 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.9.26 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.9.33 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.9.57 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.186.75 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.9.78 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.9.106 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.9.250 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.9.19 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.9.197 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.186.152 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.9.141 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.9.98 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.9.9 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.9.214 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.9.225 (talk · contribs) / 203.54.186.125 (talk · contribs) 203.54.9.33 (talk · contribs)

Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request

I have notified at Talk:Gundagai, New South Wales and Talk:Murrumbidgee River. These talk pages are the most often frequented and are at the core of the request for arbitration.--A Y Arktos\ 08:34, 17 July 2006 (UTC) Editor notified on talk page 203.54.9.43 (talk · contribs) --A Y Arktos\ 09:16, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Confirmation that other steps in dispute resolution have been tried

(If not, then explain why that would be fruitless)

In addition to article talk page discussions responding to and addressing issues raised by user and by user's behaviour:

• Misplaced Pages:Australian Wikipedians' notice board/Archive 21#Gundagai
• User talk:Longhair
  • User talk:Longhair/Archive9#Another view needed
  • User talk:Longhair#Editing issues.
  • User talk:Longhair#AYs anon 13 July comments by Petaholmes

• User talk:Petaholmes
  • User talk:Petaholmes#Request for help / review 13 July

• User talk:AYArktos (now archived)
  • User talk:AYArktos/Archive05#anons contribution to Gundagai article - comments by User:Roisterer
  • User talk:AYArktos/Archive05#anons contribution to Gundagai article - comments by Longhair 9 July and Robertmyers 12 July
  • User talk:AYArktos/Archive05#Anon - response by Petaholes and Longhair 13 July

• WP:AN/I
  • Initial Posting from Robertmyers 13 July Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive120#203.54.186.125
  • My request Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive120#Misplaced Pages:Village pump (miscellaneous)#Admin Stalking 13 July

I feel mediation or other resolution mechanisms will not be appropriate for this dispute as this user ignored requests in the past when asked to modify behaviour.

Statement by A Y Arktos

An editor using a range of Telstra Internet Addresses has been editing for over a month on articles related to Gundagai, New South Wales (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). In June, this editor included into the Gundagai article, some information about the Dog on the Tuckerbox (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) to the effect that the statue of a dog commemorated a massacre. After attempting to seek clarification and requesting citations, the material was moved to the talk page pending supply of citations from reliable sources.

The editor had also introduced the same material into the article about the Hume Highway (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) in May. The issue was raised at the Australian Wikipedians' Noticeboard, where it was agreed that standing on cite sources was reasonable, and other editors could also not find anything to support the assertions.

The editor has made a number of assertions, mainly on the talk page of Gundagai, including attacking a number of editors for holding views that differ to his own. These include attacks on Grahamec (talk · contribs), Robertmyers (talk · contribs) and on myself , including accusations of stalking.

The editor has been extremely argumentative when requested to cite sources and in accepting that textual analysis to reference a massacre (with no reliable sources supporting this analysis or the massacre) is unacceptable.

While some contributions may be useful, others are plain nonsense and also inappropriate 1st person comments, well after the editor has been asked not to include 1st person comments in articles.

The editor steadfastly refuses to follow any talk page etiquette: will not sign or format entries and makes confusing insertions into the midst of comments by others. It is very hard to follow. I have given up reformatting and adding unsigned tags. However, an example of what can happen is the addition of a comment by (with signature of) User:Adam Carr which was inserted into a talk page discussion on a page to which Adam Carr had never contributed - but it was not at all clear from the formatting. (I have no reason to believe the editor is Adam Carr editing without being signed in!) The contribution of that particular edit to the discussion about the article was also not clear.

I would like the Arbcom to consider whether semi-protection from time to time is an option for pages, such as Gundagai, Murrumbidgee River, and Hume Highway (including their talk pages), to prevent personal attacks and inappropriate edits? Similarly, as the editor evades blocks by relogging in, are range blocks appropriate? For examples of avoiding blocks see:

1. 203.54.186.125 (talk · contribs · block log) resumed activity within 40 minutes as 203.54.186.127 (talk · contribs)
2. 203.54.186.127 (talk · contribs · block log) resumed activity in less than 1 hour as 203.54.174.12 (talk · contribs)
3. 203.54.174.12 (talk · contribs · block log) resumed activity as 203.54.9.206 (talk · contribs) within 2 1/2 hours despite 48 hour block
4. 203.54.9.169 (talk · contribs · block log) (resumed after block expired)

I am also seeking a ruling that disruptive edits and edits adding information unsupported by reliable sources from the IP ranges can be reverted without further discussion. Relevant IP ranges are:

1. 203.54.9.0/24 - 256 addresses ranging from 203.54.9.0 thru 203.54.9.255
2. 203.54.186.0/24 - 256 addresses ranging from 203.54.186.0 thru 203.54.186.255
3. 203.54.174.0/24 - 256 addresses ranging from 203.54.174.0 thru 203.54.174.255

The ruling would preferably make provision for any other IPs made from apparently the same editor, for example if he changes Internet Service Providers (ISPs).

Thank you for your consideration --A Y Arktos\ 23:18, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

(PS for ease in use of pronouns, I am female.)

Statement by party 2

(Please limit your statement to 500 words. Overlong statements may be removed without warning by clerks or arbitrators and replaced by much shorter summaries. Remember to sign and date your statement.)

Not sure if these edits count as a response. The editor does not sign and may not chose to post here but has referenced this request. --A Y Arktos\ 02:04, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Comment regarding IP range

According to Whois, the entire 203.54.0.0/16 is operated by the same ISP - Telstra Internet of Southeastern Australia. As a result, it is entirely possible for the anon to edit under an IP with the third number being something other than 9, 174, or 186. 04:49, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Clerk notes

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Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter (0/2/0/0)

• Reject, this looks like it is more suitable for mediation at this point. Dmcdevit·t 01:06, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
• Reject in favour of mediation. James F. (talk) 10:41, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Bob Jones University

Involved parties

• nobojo (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) (filer)
• John Foxe (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)

An edit war was settled by adopting neutral, balanced language for the 'Bibb Graves' entry on the 'Bob Jones University' page. John Foxe began a new edit war by overwriting the compromise language and refusing to negotiate a neutral, balanced settlement in good faith. (He will argue, but he will not negotiate. For this reason, I believe mediation will be a waste of everyone's time.)

Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request

http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Bob_Jones_University#Arbitration_Requested

Confirmation that other steps in dispute resolution have been tried

• John Foxe and I have hashed this out at nauseating length on the Bob Jones Univeristy 'talk' page. (Please see.) The upshot is that John Foxe will argue, but he will not negotiate. He insists upon controlling the content, wording, and format of the 'Bibb Graves' entry. When one party is intractable, mediation is a waste of time. I believe arbitration is the only solution.

Statement by nobojo (talk · contribs)

As the result of a previous edit war, the 'Bibb Graves' entry on the 'Bob Jones University' page was rewritten in compromise language that achieved neutrality and balance. For awhile it kept the peace.

Recently John Foxe broke the peace by overwriting the previously agreed upon compromise entry for 'Bibb Graves'.

John Foxe and I attempted at length to self-mediate on the 'talk' page. Or I did. He would not agree to a settlement on any terms except his total control of the content, format, and wording of the Bibb Graves entry. In short, he wants to rewrite the entry to his satisfaction and everyone else had better get on board.

I agreed to accept John Foxe's research to the effect that Graves was an 'Exalted Cyclops' (local leader) in the KKK and not the 'Grand Dragon' (statewide leader). He has reference books pegging Graves as 'Exalted Cyclops.' I have websites pegging him as 'Grand Dragon.' It seemed reasonable -- though certainly not conclusive -- for me to defer to his sources. It was my understanding that this was the only issue in dispute and with this out of the way, we could have peace. Wrong!

I told him that I would defer to his research, as he demanded, provided that he must allow the remainder of that entry -- i.e., the part NOT in dispute -- to revert back to the neutral compromise language. (Note: He has a habit of calling it "MY" language -- it's not mine...it's the neutral compromise language that kept the peace prior to his edit war.)

He refuses any settlement that does not give him total control of the content, format, and wording of the 'Bibb Graves' entry.

Purely as a means of pre-emptive self-defense, I must point out that he has been known to misrepresent my position. Such as when he refers to the compromise language that kept the peace as "MY" language, which he says I'm selfishly trying to impose on everyone else. There's only one of us demanding to control content, format, and wording to the exclusion of anyone else's input. Three guesses which one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nobojo (talk • contribs) 00:23, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

ADDENDUM

Here is the compromise language that John Foxe overwrote. I have no problem in changing Grand Dragon to Exalted Cyclops based on his research:

• Bibb Graves, Grand Dragon of the Alabama Ku Klux Klan and two-term governor of Alabama (1927-31, 1935-39). Graves was a graduate of the University of Alabama and Yale Law School. He earned a reputation as a reformer who improved public education in Alabama. Graves served as a member of the board of trustees of Bob Jones College, and a dormitory is named in his honor.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Nobojo (talk • contribs) 00:29, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Statement by John Foxe (talk · contribs)

Every scholarly book and article about the Ku Klux Klan in Alabama identifies Bibb Graves as Exalted Cyclops (chapter president) of the Montgomery chapter. They also identify one James Esdale as Grand Dragon of Alabama (that is, the director of the state organization). So does the website of the Alabama Department of History and Archives.

My only objective in this controversy is to have the Bibb Graves entry on the BJU page begin with the phrase "two-term governor of Alabama (1927-31, 1935-39)." Any encyclopedia entry on Graves should start there, just as any entry for "Richard Nixon" should begin with "thirty-seventh president of the United States"—not with “organizer of the Watergate break-in.”

Here's the Bibb Graves entry on the BJU page as it stands now: "Bibb Graves, two-term governor of Alabama (1927-31, 1935-39) and Exalted Cyclops (chapter president) of the Montgomery branch of the Ku Klux Klan. A progressive who sought to improve public education in Alabama, Graves served as a member of the board of trustees of Bob Jones College and a BJU dormitory is named in his honor."

But I don't think there's anything sacred about that wording, except that if Graves' membership in the Klan is mentioned, so should his New Deal liberalism. (Graves and his friend Hugo Black had a lot in common.)

--John Foxe 19:24, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Comment by Will Beback

I believe this is a content dispute that could be handled best through mediation and other dispute resolution procedures. -Will Beback 18:39, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Comment by Jossi

There is no record of previous steps for dispute resolution. Editors should exhaust these first. ≈ jossi ≈ t • @ 19:09, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Comment by user:nobojo

Any call for mediation must presuppose that both parties are willing to negotiate. When one party will argue but won't negotiate on any terms other than total capitulation of the other party, then there is nothing to mediate. Mediation will merely result in this dispute remaining mired in argument - which I believe is exactly the objective of certain persons.

BUT I WILL CALL THE BLUFF:

John Foxe, if you are the reasonable sort of person who would be open to a negotiated settlement via mediation, then let's be reasonable right here. We can dispense with both arbitration and mediation. Being reasonable, I'm sure you realize that you've overwritten neutral compromise language. You might prefer your version, just as I preferred my original version. But you wouldn't want to cut those of us out of the loop who worked out that compromise language. That would be unreasonable. Which you're not.

So restore the neutral compromise language that you overwrote. Replace the Grand Dragon reference with the Exalted Cyclops language based on your research. And voila! We have a fair and equitable settlement that respects all concerned. (As opposed to one person demanding to control all aspects of the entry -- content, format, and wording).

Just post your acceptance below, and we will have a settlement and peace.

Comment by Rillian

This is a simple content dispute regarding NPOV presentation of Bibb Graves on BJU notable benefactors list. Discuss on Talk page and gain consensus should be approach, not arbitration at this point. Rillian 20:11, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Comment by user:nobojo

It is not a simple content dispute. It is an edit war. That's why the page is currently protected.

Your suggestion to "discuss on talk page" is much too late. We have been there and done that to the point that most issues have been hashed and rehashed multiple times.

We cannot "gain consensus," because one of the parties will not negotiate in good faith.

I know you'll find this hard to believe, but I think some of his cronies may be coming here with the intention of derailing the arbitration.

Clerk notes

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Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter (0/3/0/0)

• Reject. Mostly a content dispute, though the edit warring needs to stop. Try mediation. - SimonP 17:08, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
• Reject. There is indeed a lot of edit warring, but, as per Jossi and Will Beback, there ought to be prior attempts at dispute resolution first. Dmcdevit·t 23:58, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
• Reject in favour of mediation. James F. (talk) 10:43, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

CoolKatt number 99999 (talk · contribs)

Involved parties

• Rollosmokes (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
• CFIF (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
• Crossmr (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
• Lambertman (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
• Kramden4700 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)

Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request

• Rollosmokes is the initiating party
• CFIF:
• Crossmr:
• Lambertman:
• Kramden4700:

Confirmation that other steps in dispute resolution have been tried

• Request for Comment was opened on May 15, and has not yet been closed or ruled upon.
• CoolKatt recieved a 24-hour block (July 11-12) for violating the Three-Revert Rule with WWOR-TV. He then attempted to circumvent his block but was stopped by an administrator. Upon returning from his block, he has resumed reverting WWOR-TV and has engaged in arrogant incivility.
• CoolKatt has engaged in various instances of incivility, as well as unfounded claims of other violations, towards other users who challenge his point-of-view or makes changes made to articles he has edited. (eg. , , , , )
• Mediation will be fruitless because, no matter what he says (eg. , , ) he has engaged in the same distruptive behavior over and over again. His attempt to ignore the block (eg. ) proves that he doesn't care about anyone else but himself. He must be reprimanded more severely.

Statement by Rollosmokes (talk · contribs)

I have been engaged in a dispute against CoolKatt for about two months. Those I listed as additional parties in this request, and a few others, are quite aware of what has transpired since then. He has engaged with myself in edit wars on WWOR-TV, WTNH, WCTX, WTXX, WVIT, WPHL-TV, KYW-TV, WCAU, WPSG, WLFL-TV, WTXF-TV, Westinghouse Broadcasting, and TVX Broadcast Group (among others), as he added irrelevant information or made unnecessary changes to these articles which, I though, constitued as being unencyclopedic, or simply of poor quality. I reverted his changes and, in most cases, explained why through either talk pages or the edit summary. But CoolKatt immediately reverted back to his versions and immediately accused me of committing vandalism and of claiming ownership of these articles. CoolKatt has also ignored requests from the Wikiproject Television Stations group to join a consensus on the inclusion of several out-of-market (foreign) television stations on templates {{Springfield MA TV}} and {{Susquehanna Valley TV}}, which he has repeatedly to his liking. I personally reverted both templates back several times, and he reverted each time, accusing me of WP:OWN and trying to make a point. He himself violates WP:OWN and WP:POINT when he adds tags such as "!-- Please do NOT remove the Hartford stations" in the Springfield template, or "!-- Do not remove the merge tag. Doing so is considered vandalism!", as he did during his effort to re-merge WGTW-TV and WKBS-TV (Philadelphia) after another user split the articles. CoolKatt has also accused myself and others of Wikistalking for constantly going over his work. But his beef with me has become more personal: he filed a RfC against me, which was deleted within 48 hours, and on July 1 he filed a Request for Investigation against me without my knowledge. Ironically, his most recent behavior has resulted in him being under investigaton for adding unsubstantiated information to television station articles. CoolKatt is arrogant, pompous, and believes that he is the end-all, be-all when it comes to opinions on articles he contributes to. He must be put in his place. Rollosmokes 18:31, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Statement by Kramden4700

I had the misfortune of opposing his needless propsed merger of WPVI-TV and after a bit of investigation noticed he had plans for splitting KYW-TV as well, something which also was not needed. I also opposed his proposed re-merger of WKBS-TV (Philadelphia) amd WGTW-TV. Apparently bringing this to the light day and opposing him had put me on his bad side. I tried to be civil, but he seemed to act as if he was not the problem, but those who oppose him were and that WP:OWN did not apply to him. He needs at minimum a time out or possibly some other further sanction if this is a continuing pattern of behaviour. Kramden4700 20:02, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

• I forgot to mention that he threatened me here User talk:Kramden4700#Channel 48 Kramden4700 01:59, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

• He has now accused me and two others of stalking him. See: User talk:Kramden4700#Request for Arbitration/CoolKatt. I simply disagree with him and then the threats start. I do not see how not agreeing with him or pointing out his speculations are in violation of WP:STALK. Something is very wrong here if bringing to light a disruptive vandal's future plans is wrong then I think I may consider leaving as people like this spoil the whole experience. Kramden4700 04:09, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Statement by Crossmr (talk · contribs)

Most of what I'll say here is a rehash of what I said on the RfC. I first encountered Coolkatt on an AfD. I wasn't even aware I had until after the AfD closed. I left an opinion but it wasn't on my watch list. Sometime after the closure of this AfD, I logged in to find a spurious accusation on my userpage that I was a sockpuppet of someone whom I didn't even know. This dif shows the sock puppet tag. The proper process wasn't followed and it was simply retaliation for "agreeing with nom" in the AfD, who interestingly wasn't even apostrophe. Going back to look at the AfD as I barely even remembered it, I found that Coolkatt had gone and accused everyone who called for delete a sockpuppet. He'd also left the same spurious sock puppet accusation on Opabinia's user page here . Both her and I spoke out about it on the administrators noticeboard, but no administrator bothered to get involved. Seen here in my archives he first claims that making numerous personal attacks on users is "the right thing to do" and then claims Apostrophe (whom I did not know) forced myself and others to recommend delete. He continues to say one thing and do another, claiming he'll behave then doing things like putting AfD tags on his RfC. Here he blame's his behaviour on everyone else and refuses to take responsibility for it. here I tried to reach out to him to give him some guidance but his immature behaviour continues unabated. --Crossmr 20:13, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Addendum

Here is again making unfounded accusations of sockpuppetry and he refers to him as such in this edit summary .--Crossmr 15:58, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Statement by CFIF (talk · contribs)

CoolKatt, has at times, bordered on being paranoid and physcotic (seen here talking about himself in the third person), making false accusations and legal threats against members, along with making false claims and odd statements. He has a whole slew of subpages filled with unfactual and fantastic which do no good for the encyclopedia. He has also made demands and acting like he is in charge (which is sooo far from the truth) and assumes everyone "knows his contributions are useful". Everything else has been pretty much covered by Rollo and Crossmr. --CFIF (talk to me) 21:14, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Statement by CFIF part 2

He's now started a frivolous RfC against Amnewsboy, and warned Rollosmokes and I not to edit. He's getting crazy folks. --CFIF (talk to me) 02:49, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

YOU are getting crazy with all this WikiStalking. Stop it now. CoolKatt number 99999 02:51, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm not WikiStalking. You are just completely paranoid, it seems. --CFIF (talk to me) 02:54, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

He's now accusing Rekarb Bob of being a sockpuppet of Buckner 1986 with no solid evidence. This guy is crazy.

Well, both accounts reverted my clean-up of WWCP-TV as vandalism. It only makes sense. CoolKatt number 99999 02:59, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I'd like to know why Buckner reverted CoolKatt in the first place. Was it because of CoolKatt's reputation? I've said this before regarding BenH: revert based on the edit, not the editor! Morgan Wick 17:58, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Statement by CFIF part 3

He's now calling non-vandalism edits vandalism, , and treating Rollosmokes like a vandal. , giving him two warnings. This has to stop, I think we should skip the whole Arbitration process and go directly towards a permablock. --CFIF (talk to me) 15:54, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Also, Pathoschild (talk · contribs) was nice enough to make a log of all three, and maybe eventually all four, of his frivolous RfC history. User:Pathoschild/Sandbox). --CFIF (talk to me) 16:00, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Statement by CoolKatt number 99999 (talk · contribs)

Pure, Wiki-stalking. I demand the slander against me stop. I am making many useful contributions, and this is the thanks I get? I demand this dispute end now. CoolKatt number 99999 22:45, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Statement by Lambertman (talk · contribs)

Most everything I've witnessed has already been discussed. I can only add this statement from Katt in which he says his speculation (as to the meaning of callsigns) should be taken as fact because it makes sense to him. Lambertman 23:06, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Comment by Amnewsboy (talk · contribs)

While not directly involved in this particular dispute, I'd like to add that CoolKatt number 99999 has, on at least one occasion, been cited for adding unverified information to Misplaced Pages. A separate Request for Investigation was filed in regards to his additions to the page for the Arkansas Educational Television Network, and he was subsqeuently warned. In addition to the comment Lambertman pointed out, CoolKatt number 99999 also tried to justify that his call letter meanings were correct because "Maybe because those files were destroyed?", even though there are no sources to support that. I also question the validity of the user's sub-pages with "Alternate" histories for television stations (WDAF-TV , for example) - although said articles are clearly marked as fictional, they also show up in Google searches for the subjects. I have had only minimal personal contact with the user, but I will say that I find his editing methods questionable at best. Amnewsboy 22:33, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

As a follow-up, CoolKatt number 99999 was blocked for 24 hours on July 19 for further violations of WP:V, then for a further 48 hours for violating it again . Amnewsboy 06:37, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

A further follow-up: CoolKatt number 99999 filed what I believe is a frivilous RfC in regards to this matter. I would reiterate that his own actions prompted his subsequent blocking and that I think he really needs to learn more about WP:V and other related policies before being allowed to edit again. Amnewsboy 03:39, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Comment by Morgan Wick (talk · contribs)

When I first encountered CoolKatt, I was a bit surprised at the level to which he was opposed, and I thought the RfC against him had spurious grounds. I even attempted to defuse the level of vitriol against him by pointing out that he has made constructive edits. But recently, he seems to have gone off the deep end. He has forgotten how to be civil, and has repeatedly claimed his contributions are "useful" without explaining how in the face of people trying to tell him they violate numerous Misplaced Pages policies. He has taken to violating WP:OWN in relentlessly trying to defend his versions of articles, getting involved in numerous edit wars. He has filed RfC's left and right, including one against A Man In Black (talk · contribs) for daring to oppose him on an AfD, and seems to be using RfC as a way to intimidate or get back at people who disagree with him , which is an abuse of RfC, and which isn't working, since not one of his RfC's has been certified. As noted earlier, he has accused people of sockpuppetry for disagreeing with him as well. He seems to have some paranoid tendencies, and his dealings with the Misplaced Pages community is starting to test even my patience. Morgan Wick 05:32, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Clerk notes

(This area is used for notes by non-recused clerks.)

Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter (2/0/0/0)

• Accept. Dmcdevit·t 21:44, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
• Accept. But if he really is that bad... will no sysop rid us of this user? James F. (talk) 10:40, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Requests for clarification

Requests for clarification from the Committee on matters related to the Arbitration process.

Everyking

Pursuant to discussion on the arbitration committee mailing list, Everyking has recently been causing more problems. Following our previous decision, he has instead begun harassing administrators on their talk pages. He has resumed editing Ashlee Simpson articles in the same fashion we previously sanctioned. Extraordinary Machine lodged a complaint on the ANI, and I recieved one in private from someone else (that person has refused to lodge one formally because he/she is fed up with EK from previous run-ins).

Per previous discussion, I'd like to propose the following remedies:

1. Everyking is banned for two weeks for recent offenses
2. Everyking's current prohibitions (his ban from editing the ANI, and from commenting on other admin's actions except for their talk pages, RFC, and RFA) - set to expire in November - are extended indefinitely for one year, until November 2007.
3. Everyking is placed on standard probation for all pop music articles - any admin may ban him from any/all of them for any misbehavior on his part
4. Should EK harass other admins over their non-editorial actions, any admin may block him for up to two weeks per incident, escalating to one year per incident after the fifth one. Raul654 22:38, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Discussion

• Although I would prefer a much simpler remedy, I can support these sanctions ➥the Epopt 23:35, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
  • The other, simpler one that I thought of would be to ban him from everything except the main namespace (articles, but not talk pages) and his own use and talk pages. Raul654 23:39, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
    • I would go even simpler than that ➥the Epopt 05:00, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
• I would prefer an extension of only one year. Fred Bauder 00:19, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
  • I can live with that (duly adjusted). Raul654 16:29, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
  • I can live with this as well, although given Everyking's inability to learn to behave better, I'm minded towards a complete ban from Misplaced Pages for a time. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 21:39, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

• Do I get an opportunity to argue in my defense? Let's consider a few things:
  1. Ashlee articles—exactly what am I doing there that the ArbCom considers so terrible? I mean, actually look at the articles and their histories and tell me. There's a couple of reverts, but I wasn't the only one reverting, and the situation seems to have settled down now into a compromise, at least a de facto one. Also, there was far more discussion going on than there was reverting—in fact, if you just look at the histories, you'll see there was hardly any reverting at all. There was no "revert war" in any meaningful sense—the only thing close to one happened on an article about a Jessica Simpson song, but again in that case, too, the situation seems to have settled down into a de facto compromise. To sanction someone for this is utterly, entirely absurd. Not only was the whole situation a pretty minor one (not even close to the explosion of conflict the articles saw 18 months ago), it seems to have settled down anyway, and I wasn't even the one with the aggressive stance—I was taking the defensive stance.
  2. Talk pages—the ArbCom ruling specifically granted me the right to discuss admin actions on the relevant admin talk pages. Am I now going to be punished for exercising that right? People would block me before and tell me to take it to the admin's talk page. So I do that, and this is what I get? Why was that exemption created to begin with, if I was just going to get attacked for making use of it? Not to mention there isn't much of this going on anyway. The last case was regarding EM threatening a user who was obviously acting in good faith, but was younger than most of us and was a little confused about how to do some technical things.
  3. No credit—where is the credit for actually following the ruling as it was spelled out for me? I have always strictly observed the AN/I prohibition. I haven't been blocked by anyone for any reason in several months. To hear Raul tell it, I've been constantly violating the ruling, which is the exact opposite of what I've actually been doing.
  4. Ruling consistency—Ashlee articles pertained to EK1; this is EK3. How can you fit anything pertaining to EK1 under a revision of EK3?
  5. The opposing party—Who is the opposing party here, anyway? It appears to be none other than the ArbCom itself—in that case, how can I possibly get a fair hearing from them? Or is it whoever sent that private complaint? Did that person actually want this taken to arbitration? Isn't it important, for reasons of transparent process, to have an accuser in public—not secretly in e-mail? Is there any precedent for that at all?
  6. Involved party?—hey, did anyone think to consult EM about this stuff that is apparently being done on his behalf? What does he think? Does he actually want me taken to arbitration? Previously he expressed a lot of reluctance to even take me to RfC, and that was at the peak of the conflict, some time ago.

• I personally feel the above points are pretty important. Everyking 04:12, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

I think it is fair to say you have exhausted the committee's patience. I'm going to respond, very briefly, to some of the points you raise. Point 1 - Despite your attempt to spin it otherwise, you are doing the exact same thing that led to the first two Everyking arbitration cases, and as I just said, our patience with you has run out. Point 2 - As I said to you on my talk page just a few days ago, that exception was *not* created to allow you to move your harassment from the ANI to individual users' talk pages. Point 3 - I drive to work every day and avoid the temptation to run over those skateboarders who are always on Delaware Avenue. If tomorrow I were to run them over, am I to tell the judge to consider all the times I went to work and didn't run the over? Ha, no. Point 4 - Wikilawyering; our clarification applies to the series of cases, not any one in particular. Point 5 - No opposing party is necessary. Point 6 - yes. Raul654 16:29, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Maybe I've exhausted your patience; you've exhausted mine, too, but what am I gonna do about it?

1. I will post thorough evidence about this if the ArbCom will agree to read and consider it honestly.
2. It's not harassment, it's criticism of admin actions—the exact thing the exemption was created to allow me to continue doing in a restricted space. Moreover, I have actually done little of this—once every few weeks, maybe? I'll go through and post all the examples I can find, again if the ArbCom will agree to read and consider it honestly.
3. I haven't run anybody over, to go with your analogy; you haven't pointed to anything I've done that violated the ruling. You've accused me of misbehaving on Ashlee articles, which if true isn't covered by the ruling (and wouldn't even be covered by the old ruling, because even if you guys hadn't freed me from it after two months, it would still have expired long ago) and complaining on admin talk pages, which is protected by the ruling.
4. Does "wikilawyering" mean "a point of procedure that would benefit the accused and therefore will be disregarded in this case"?
5. I asked you to provide a precedent for this, and also to explain the inherent unfairness of having the same people as both accuser, prosecutor and judge.
6. Notably you didn't ask his opinion before starting this thing. In any case, let's now wait and see if he has something to add about this. Everyking 17:17, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm not at all familiar with this stage of dispute resolution; that said, I think this discussion is appropriate.

Everyking, you reverted me three times at Ashlee Simpson (including an edit that had absolutely nothing to do with removing content) and once at Pieces of Me . The main reasons I chose not to keep restoring my edits was because a) it's better to discuss a dispute rather than repeatedly revert the other party, b) I knew the history of these articles and wanted to make sure the situation wouldn't escalate like it did before, and c) because of the reverts I just listed, and the dispute 18 months ago, I had a feeling you'd keep reverting me. That's one of the reasons why I didn't file an RFC on your behaviour, the others being that I wanted to keep the discussions focussed on the articles and that there wasn't a second party around who was involved enough to be able to certify an RFC. I didn't once consider the possibility that you would follow me across other pages and revert me wholesale (These Boots Are Made for Walkin' (Jessica Simpson song)), which is simply unacceptable, in my opinion. It also indicates your statement about "taking the defensive stance", if true originally, no longer holds much water. Not that I don't care about your "defensive" behaviour either: telling me "it will be restored, naturally" (Talk:Ashlee Simpson) and comparing me to a film villain (Talk:Pieces of Me) is not appreciated.

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Everyking 3 states "Everyking is required to familiarize himself with the particulars of a situation before commenting on it"; with regard to Tcatron565 (talk · contribs), I don't believe that you did so. Tcatron registered here almost a year ago; as can be seen at user talk:Tcatron565, he's made many edits that violate the guidelines and policies, and has a history of incivility. I'll leave the nitty gritty out for brevity's sake, but I should note that I wasn't even the first user to introduce the possibility of a block to him. I admit I've considered just giving up explaining the policies and guidelines to him, but that's only because comments like "it seems like everytime I make a wrong move, you're all up in my face! ... when I do something wrong, wait for 4 days, then tell me" , along with his tendency to continue editing as he was, indicate that such efforts would be pointless. If you're still wondering why I told him he may be blocked, I should refer you to the case of the IP editor 200.138.194.254 (talk · contribs), a seemingly good faith user who nevertheless edited in violation of the policies in guidelines without discussion and was consequently blocked for a week not too long ago. I'm certain that I would have told Tcatron the same thing if I wasn't an admin, so the comment about me "throwing my weight around" as an admin is hardly accurate. Lastly, I am well aware that admins involved in disputes with other users (such as the one I had with Tcatron) aren't supposed to block any of the other parties, and if I thought a block was absolutely necessary in this case I would have started a discussion at WP:ANI. I feel that your comments regarding this were written with the main intention of antagonising me rather than anything to do with Tcatron. Extraordinary Machine 20:59, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

You know, I don't have access to the arbitrators' mailing list, so I don't really know exactly what they are thinking. For all I know what they are saying in private and in public are completely different. But all I can do is focus on what gets written on this page. So let me directly discuss each of the things Raul calls remedies:

1. This proposes banning me for two weeks for alleged "recent offenses". What recent offenses? Raul has so far only pointed to one somewhat uncivil comment I made about an admin warning I thought was too harsh. Yeah, I shouldn't have used the tone I did, but it was in the midst of a more general conflict that had led to a deepening of animosity on both sides; it didn't come out of the blue. To ban someone for even a single day for a marginally uncivil comment that they've since apologized for seems highly draconian—to ban for two weeks is so far overboard it almost seems insane. Aren't blocks supposed to be staggered somehow, anyway? You don't generally just jump right into such severe blocks for minor offenses. I've never even been blocked for a single 24 hour period in two and a half years on Misplaced Pages—every one of my blocks has been reconsidered or undone for some reason. Furthermore, as I've said before, I haven't been blocked at all in the last few months. So even if you think I'm in the wrong, does it make sense to jump from blocks lasting a few hours in the relatively distant past to two weeks now?
2. Rather than try to overreach in arguing this one, considering the depth of the ArbCom's hostile feeling toward me right now, I propose that the ArbCom change this so as to give me an automatic appeal in November of this year (something I have long pleaded for), but a formal duration until November 2007 in case of failure.
3. Again—for what? What did I do wrong here? I participated in some minor reverting and bickering that has since settled down, and I made several concessions and compromises (and expressed far more willingness to compromise throughout than my opponent did—in fact I think all the compromises were made on my initiative).
4. I don't have much of an argument for this one; the ArbCom and I simply don't agree about what constitutes harassment and what constitutes reasonable criticism. I will just hope that this penalty is never abusively applied. Everyking 05:02, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

General responses, since this section is a bit too muddled for an indented reply to make sense any more: Everyking, I think your question above as to the definition of "wikilawyering" above (snide musings aside) is answered by your point directly above it, "you haven't pointed to anything I've done that violated the ruling". Also, "the ArbCom ruling specifically granted me the right to discuss admin actions on the relevant admin talk pages. Am I now going to be punished for exercising that right?" and "where is the credit for actually following the ruling as it was spelled out for me?" and "Who is the opposing party here, anyway?" and "I asked you to provide a precedent for this, and also to explain the inherent unfairness of having the same people as both accuser, prosecutor and judge." are all good examples of wikilawyering. Why were you given any of these restrictions in the first place, Everyking? If you can't answer that then I'll support every measure proposed. It was to stop your harassment. When I am faced with the fact that you've used administrators' talk pages for harassment, despite our obvious desire that you cease harassment, I am forced to conclude that you are violating the ruling. I'm weary of it: bans from AN/ANI and from criticism other than on admins' talk pages were meant to get it through to you to stop harassment. If your response is to continue to do so through the only avenue still open after the last case, then the general ban for a short time period is looking reasonable. Was really what you consider reasonable criticism where I see harassment? Note: if the answer is really "no, and I've apologized" don't tell me you haven't violated our decision again. That you have never violated even the letter of the ruling is patently false anyway, as we found out months ago, , , , and also on the occasion where I specifically pointed out to you your violation of the ruling (I am sure you recall, or maybe you decided to make a bold statement like that with no factual backing or double checking?). Despite your efforts to the contrary, you don't have the option to say: "I forgot. I'm sorry." and go on you merry way, only to "forget" again. If I can have no confidence that you cannot stop in the future, I can't object to the three proposals related to it. As for the pop culture remedy, I don't find that issue particularly pressing or interesting right now. Dmcdevit·t 06:25, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Although maybe out of place, "pop music" articles should be better defined. A lot of people see pop music as different things, and it's a little ambiguous. Esteffect 21:37, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

We generally expect people to use their common sense. Are you suggesting we credit our users with too much?

FWIW, I'm happy with the proposals that we've worked out.

James F. (talk) 10:39, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Internal spamming/campaigning

There's an ongoing discussion at WP:SPAM about what constitutes acceptable talk page contact between users regarding discussions, votes, polls, etc. Prior rulings that have been pointed to are this prior ruling and this one. Could you offer any more specific information about what is and is not allowed/discouraged, for example: is it the use of mass userbox messaging that is disallowed (if it is), or is internal spamming/campaigning disallowed only if disruptive? Thanks. IronDuke 17:48, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Motions in prior cases

(Only Arbitrators may make such motions)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Zeq

Motion to ban Zeq for a week for creating an attack article regarding User:Homeontherange (article has been deleted) diff will be available to Arbitration Committee members. Fred Bauder 21:57, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

• Support Fred Bauder 21:57, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
• Support ➥the Epopt 23:06, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Archives

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