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23 March 2015

– A checkuser has completed a check on relevant users in this case, and it is now awaiting administration and close.

Suspected sockpuppets

• TCKTKtool (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• 72.196.235.154 (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• Resaltador (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)

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I don't think that anyone else other than Zhanzhao on this article(Rape in India) could ignore the guidelines like WP:BLPCRIME, WP:NOTABILITY and continuously edit war over undiscussed edits. I am sure that the sole purpose of this account as well as the IP is just to restore the edits of Zhanzhao, and lend support to the arguments of Zhanzhao.

One of the main evidence is that Zhanzhao was recently told to stop violating the WP:ILLEGIT. It was 14 March, and right after a few hours, this IP edit warred on this article. Another evidence is that the IP and the account have used edit summaries for discussion and ignored the ATP.

72 says "This article is about Rape in India", TCKTKtool says "This article is about Rape in India". Zhanzhao says "it IS about rape in india".

Argument is not different, TCKTKtool says "major news", and Zhanzhao says "significant news coverage".

Considerably same edit warring over the ratio/percentage.

After two downed, Zhanzhao came and restored it. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 07:41, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

TCKTKtool says "major news around the world". Zhanzhao says "news agencies around the world". OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 08:35, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Added Resaltador, previously he was blocked for evading his block with 96.231.161.128, an IP that shows same geolocation as 72.196.235.154. Resaltador's edit summary also matches with TCKTKtool.

• Compare with
• Mentioning the username, and OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 16:53, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

@Vanjagenije: Resaltador's previous block evasion matches with this IP address. Resaltador's mentions only usernames in the edit summaries and mentions the section title in edit summaries, similar to the IP and TCKTKtool. Check again, they are not automatically filled. The automatically filled ones reads differently. See the difference:-

(→‎Unproven/non-notable allegations), by Padenton, it was automatically filled. Font was grey.

(Unproven/non-notable allegations), by TCKTKtool and Resaltador. Not automatically filled, and the font is black. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 03:35, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

• Thanks Dord. Considering the match of the IP's location with the IP with which Resaltador had evaded his block previously, exactly same use of rare edit summaries, I believe that we should consider analyzing their behavior. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 14:48, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
• I have checked elsewhere, Zhanzhao has claimed that he often use a "StrongVPN". It is highly useful for fooling any IP match. Also given the confidence of Resaltador and Zhanzhao that they haven't socked while carrying out the admin-shopping just to target me(see the titles of those talk sections), I cannot believe that 2 unrelated persons would act same.
• Also given Zhanzhao's previous history of abusing WP:ILLEGIT on this article, and clearly reverting to the version of the obvious sock, even using the similar words for his argument, I am certain that he has violated the above policy once again. Over the last 2 years, 132 edits of Resaltador are unrelated with this subject. Zhanzhao had recently added a header to Resaltador's comment, on here, even after knowing that additional headers are removed.

Who had even told Resaltador about this SPI? My contribution history is usually excessive, at least he wouldn't want to take stress of tracking my edits. I cannot find any notification on Resaltador's UTP, if he was notified about the SPI. Any 2 things are possible, #1. Resaltador checked every SPI. #2. He was notified off-wiki. #3. Zhanzhao just thought of extending the raid against this SPI.

^ Second and third point makes more sense.

Resaltador, TCKTKtool blanks their usertalk in same style.

It was only Zhanzhao who took this DRN seriously, obviously because he had started it himself but with TCKTKtool. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 15:39, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

• Interest in "Suicide of.." articles "court case", "outcome", "church"
• "forgot to sign"
• "NPOV issues"
• "to make it clear",
• "wrong section"
• Zhanzhao capitalises "talk", like Resaltador, and DanS76.
• Specific identification, "by IP".
• "formatting"
• Capital t of "talk"
• "headline"
• "to match".
• "childish"
• Edit summaries for discussion.
• Creation of 3 words userpage.
• Misuse of the word, "boomerang".
• "This is Misplaced Pages not.." OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 14:48, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
• Over-usage of slash(/)
• Considers others to have been "stalking" him.
• Starts messages with "Hi"
• Misrepresents blocked as banned.
• "whitewashing", doesn't even end here. Zhanzhao had considered the edits on this same section as "an attempt to whitewash" similar to the IP. Wonder if IP went to read a buried conversation just for picking up this word and regard same edits as "whitewashing" like Zhanzhao.

Resaltador has only 132 edits and Zhanzhao has only 3470. Sorry but how many more similarities you would like expect between these accounts? To continue, Zhanzhao made multiple edits on 28 May 2013, around 4:00, and he had no edits after that day until 30 May. From 19:00 28 May to whole 29 May, Resaltador made highest amount of edits, about 13. Also mind that Resaltador edited only in 19:00 in both of the days, Zhanzhao is usually active in this hour. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 22:28, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Zhanzhao you should not count automatic summary and despite your misrepresentation of number of a diffs, you are only talking about the existence of these specific terms. Our concern is that why only you and Resaltador share so many exceptional similarities? While you have to cherry pick hundreds of editors for finding a single similarity with yourself. Still no one tells the obvious that "This is Misplaced Pages not" or significantly types "talk" in upper-case. or creates 3 words userpage. You really believe that this sandbox has 3 words? It is above 150. Thanks. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 08:08, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Comments by other users

Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.

Statements by related parties

Padenton

I've been wondering if I should comment here or not, but this seems to be getting pretty heated and I think this might help. I don't know about Resaltador, but I don't think Zhanzhao is a sockpuppet(eer). To add a bit of background, this all began as an edit war over the notability of individual cases in Rape in India (the edit warring has already been handled here followed by a granted appeal here). TCKTKtool and 72.196.235.154 were repeatedly undoing me (TCKTKtool is the account 72.196.235.154 created after making 3 reverts), another 2 users, and OccultZone. Towards the end of this, OccultZone did the final change. Then Zhanzhao came in and undid it (this edit is already listed above) and at the same time, made this post on the talk page . To me, the talk comment suggests that Zhanzhao did not look closely at the previous edits that had been going on, particularly this part "yet you're even removing pre-existing content not written by me wholesale". And while TCKTKtool comes off as a hothead in all of their comments, Zhanzhao came off a lot more reasonable, and looking to discuss the changes. I think this is all just one big coincidence and it's spiraled into this big thing when it shouldn't have. Sorry to interject. ― Padenton |☎   18:41, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Defendant's word in

Zhanzhao

I don't know if there's any relationship between TCKTKtool and the IP, but do go ahead to run a Checkuser on me against them. But since this SPI has been raised against me by OccultZone, can I at least expect the gentlemanly response of an apology from OccultZone after its been decisively proven that I'm not either one of them? Cos its unfair that he keeps firing popshots at me which leaves a record while he gets to keep his own record clean. Zhanzhao (talk) 07:57, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Just to point out about how frivolous some of the accusations are:

72 says "This article is about Rape in India", TCKTKtool says "This article is about Rape in India". Zhanzhao says "it IS about rape in india". OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 07:41, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

May I draw the attention of whoever is overlooking this case to the following edit summary of another editor who also used the exact same words This article is about Rape in India. There aren't that many ways to express a generic statement like this is about XX article. But I guess this escaped the accuser's notice just because that editor didn't happen to get into his bad books. Zhanzhao (talk) 10:54, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Do not move, because this is a direct reply to yet another ridiculous and easily refuted accusation.If you check StrongVPN's service, you will notice that StrongVPN does not have routers points at those areas that the IPs are located. Have you not caught on that whatever evidence you are trying to pull against me, just makes you look sillier? Have it never occured to you that my confidence stems from the very simple fact that I am innocent? Or are you so desparate to believe I am guilty that you have lost that capacity of thought? Stop grasping at straws. Its becoming pathetic. Zhanzhao (talk) 15:38, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

So a visiting Admin's comments got removed just cos OccultZone didn't agree with it.

I was fine to leave this alone and entrust the admins to make a fair judgement on this, DoRB weighed in and collapsed the list while pointing out they were really weak and circumstantial, only for OccultZone to blatantly removed the admin's evaluation and collapse.

And so, since OccultZone has gone so low as to do that, I spent a lot of time going through his list of accusations. Unfortunately, I'm unable to keep up with his fanaticism as he keeps adding more, but this is more than enough to whet the appetite of the next admin/clerk who's taking a look. Provided it does not get removed like DoRB's comments. Note I suck at formatting, the best I can do is block it out with dashes. The italics are OccultZone's accusations. The staggered normal text is my reply. Tried to keep it humorous, cos it starts to get repetitive.

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*"forgot to sign".

Yes, the problem is not common to me. Please don't accuse him next. He was already unlucky enough to get caught on your last block wave.

*"NPOV issues"

Look who's using "NPOV issues" too....

*"to make it clear",

Is he a sock too?

*"wrong section"

I guess DoRD (You know, the admin who's opinion and collapse you removed on your own initiative) must be my sock too? According to your flawed logic

*Zhanzhao capitalises "talk", like Resaltador, and DanS76.

I've used TALK, Talk and talk, basically every possible itteration. So..... everyone who's even used that word is my sock?

*Specific identification, "by IP".

Oh dear. OccultZone's apparently my sock too, by his logic

*"formatting"

Again another similarity. OccultZone looks very suspicious now, no? According to his logic.

*Capital t of "talk"

Addressed earlier, I have used TALK, Talk and talk, basically every possible itteration. So..... everyone who's even used that word is my sock? And wait, Why is OccultZone capitalising his first "t" as well here?

*"headline"

Even more suspicious? Anyway the term "headline" was used with different meanings anyways, not that it matters of course.

*"to match".

Oh no, I'm a sock of Jimbo Wales... Or is it the other way? Either case, OccultZone is so screwed..... if his logic holds true.

*Edit summaries for discussion.

No.... I don't see it. Is this some Rorschach diagram thing? This is totally off the rails now.

*3 words userpage.

Milan Petrovic Quartet.... OccultZone had a 3 word userpage too! You're on a roll here, OccultZone.

*Misuse of the word, "boomerang".

Considering all the points I just raised, does Boomerang apply correctly now? As in you throw something, and it ends up hitting you instead?

*"This is Misplaced Pages not.." OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 14:48, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Oh Lookie, what a coincidence, I joined back in 2007 too. Actually December, so rounded up its almost 2008.

• Considers others to have been "stalking" him.

Guess who said the same thing too

*"whitewashing", doesn't even end here. Zhanzhao had considered the edits on this same section as "an attempt to whitewash" similar to the IP. Wonder if IP went to read a buried conversation just for picking up this word and regard same edits as "whitewashing" like Zhanzhao.

And here again

This is getting ridiculous. And seeing as OccultZone is even resorting to removing an Administrator's opinion on the matter, I somehow don't see an easy end to this. I had previously told OccultZone that I just wanted him to cool down, but at this rate, can someone tell him to stop with all these frivolous accusations? He's really scrapping the bottom of the barrel, if he hasn't already torn a whole through it. I do admire his "work-ethics". If he could lose his obsession with me, all this effort would have been better off channeled correctly into improving Misplaced Pages, which I shall now go back to. Zhanzhao (talk) 07:51, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

PS: To the new allegation that I had to cherrypick from "hundreds of editors" to point out the flaws in his arguement; with the one exception of the "Misplaced Pages is not" point, most of the similarities identified were committed by OccultZone himself if he bothered to check/count, the rest from people who are already part of this discussion, and of course, a few from Jimbo Wales himself (no stranger I hope) just to prove a point. And I have no idea what "misrepresentation of number of diffs" he's talking about (must be seeing things). And that is indeed a 3-word page, the rest of the words were formed from a template box. Zhanzhao (talk) 07:51, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

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Resaltador

I also have no relationship between TCKTKtool, 72.196.235.154, or Zhanzhao. I agree that OccultZone seems to attack anyone that disagrees with him. I try and stay neutral but he is going over board on this. I think a Admin should review his actions not only here but other edits and request as well. Resaltador (talk) 17:56, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

• CheckUser requested - Self-endorsed by clerk for checkuser attention To compare Zhanzhao with TCKTKtool. I'm not so sure about Resaltador. OccultZone, can you find some stronger evidence against Resaltador? Diffs 16-19, those edit summaries are just section titles, automatically filled. Vanjagenije (talk) 23:29, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
•  Clerk note: @OccultZone: You are right, Resaltador is also suspicious. He should also be checked. Vanjagenije (talk) 08:05, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
• These three accounts are  Unrelated.  No comment with respect to IP address(es). ​—DoRD (talk)​ 13:55, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
• @OccultZone: Zhanzhao has claimed that he often use a "StrongVPN" - I was fully aware of that, and it had no bearing on my results. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 15:57, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

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