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| :Bzuk, for all your aviation know-how, I seriously doubt that you've ever flown an Su-25 before. So how can you possibly be qualified to determine what the Su-25's maximum flight altitude is? Have you ever spoken to an Su-25 pilot? Ever flown with them? Why is it considered vandalism when clear cut evidence is given (namely, the numbers on the friggin altimeter in the plane's cockpit), but not when out-of-context figures are given in a highly misleading manner? Ah, but the Sukhoi Su-25 page watchdogs always know best, no matter what reality says. Because of ''certain'' people, Misplaced Pages is losing a lot of its credibility... ] (]) 16:50, 2 February 2015 (UTC) | :Bzuk, for all your aviation know-how, I seriously doubt that you've ever flown an Su-25 before. So how can you possibly be qualified to determine what the Su-25's maximum flight altitude is? Have you ever spoken to an Su-25 pilot? Ever flown with them? Why is it considered vandalism when clear cut evidence is given (namely, the numbers on the friggin altimeter in the plane's cockpit), but not when out-of-context figures are given in a highly misleading manner? Ah, but the Sukhoi Su-25 page watchdogs always know best, no matter what reality says. Because of ''certain'' people, Misplaced Pages is losing a lot of its credibility... ] (]) 16:50, 2 February 2015 (UTC) | ||
| ::Misplaced Pages's credibility has gone completely down the drain ever since this Ukraine thing started. A group of editors actually got caught (through leaked email correspondence) developing software to subvert wikipedia's community processes for American propaganda purposes, but the admins (one of them is an admin) refuse to act and as long as that doesn't change the effort is better spent telling people to stop using wikipedia as a source on this subject. Of course you are right about the Su-25's service ceiling. The article originally had the correct 10km service ceiling<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Sukhoi_Su-25&oldid=403682927#Specifications_.28Su-25TM.29</ref> but this was changed later to reflect the Su-25K's lowered service ceiling. The Su-25K is the export version which doesn't include pressurized life support, hence the lower service ceiling. There are even much older videos (from 2010) showing loaded Su-25's flying above 7km, in this case 8.7km<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GY_2NoHdNso&feature=youtu.be&t=5m33s</ref> |
::Misplaced Pages's credibility has gone completely down the drain ever since this Ukraine thing started. A group of editors actually got caught (through leaked email correspondence) developing software to subvert wikipedia's community processes for American propaganda purposes, but the admins (one of them is an admin) refuse to act and as long as that doesn't change the effort is better spent telling people to stop using wikipedia as a source on this subject. Of course you are right about the Su-25's service ceiling. The article originally had the correct 10km service ceiling<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Sukhoi_Su-25&oldid=403682927#Specifications_.28Su-25TM.29</ref> but this was changed later to reflect the Su-25K's lowered service ceiling. The Su-25K is the export version which doesn't include pressurized life support, hence the lower service ceiling. There are even much older videos (from 2010) showing loaded Su-25's flying above 7km, in this case 8.7km.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GY_2NoHdNso&feature=youtu.be&t=5m33s</ref> The 10km service ceiling is found all over the websites of sellers,<ref>http://etexport.net/en/catalog/aviation/aircraft/98-su-25.html</ref> even the Ukrainian ones.<ref>http://en.uos.ua/produktsiya/aviakosmicheskaya-tehnika/84-cy-25</ref> The article also makes the false claim that 5km is the service ceiling when it is loaded (of course this is unsourced), whereas it is the ''combat ceiling''. Meaning that 5km is the height at which the recoil from the cannons makes the plane stall against the engine thrust at that height. The 7km thing is total hogwash and based on nothing but the lack of pressurized life support in the specific export version. Of course you could also load up any decent military flight sim and try it out for yourself. But then again there's no point trying to get correct information in articles even tangentially related to the Ukrainian conflict, you'll just get badgered by the crowd committed to advancing their political propaganda tacitly supported by the admins. Better to just grab a box of popcorn and watch it go.] (]) 06:58, 29 March 2015 (UTC) | ||
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Please do not add or change content, as you did to Sukhoi Su-25 along with other articles, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Misplaced Pages:Citing sources before changing cited article text or adding specifics. Thank you. -Fnlayson (talk) 14:57, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to insert false or disputed material to advance an agenda into Misplaced Pages, as you did at Sukhoi Su-25, you may be blocked from editing. Acroterion (talk) 13:08, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
- Advance an agenda? The reference I cited was tangible evidence that everyone could see for themselves. The Su-25's altimeter in the video I cited clearly showed around 10,580m and climbing at the 16:04 mark, and yet, that is not considered an acceptable source? Why do people like you insist on figures and numbers that simply cannot be taken out of context? The Su-25's cabin is unpressurized, which means that the pilot must wear his oxygen mask at all times above 7,000m. That's it. There's nothing preventing the aircraft itself from flying up to 12,000m and above. If none of you know that fact, then none of you have the right to moderate that page. The way I see it, the Su-25 page watchdogs are advancing their agenda, which is obviously political in nature, and this blatantly clashes with the core concept of a "💕". I'd like you to seriously consider what "disruptive editing" means exactly... SomethingsNotRight (talk) 16:37, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you vandalize Misplaced Pages, as you did at Sukhoi Su-25. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 18:37, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
- Bzuk, for all your aviation know-how, I seriously doubt that you've ever flown an Su-25 before. So how can you possibly be qualified to determine what the Su-25's maximum flight altitude is? Have you ever spoken to an Su-25 pilot? Ever flown with them? Why is it considered vandalism when clear cut evidence is given (namely, the numbers on the friggin altimeter in the plane's cockpit), but not when out-of-context figures are given in a highly misleading manner? Ah, but the Sukhoi Su-25 page watchdogs always know best, no matter what reality says. Because of certain people, Misplaced Pages is losing a lot of its credibility... SomethingsNotRight (talk) 16:50, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
- Misplaced Pages's credibility has gone completely down the drain ever since this Ukraine thing started. A group of editors actually got caught (through leaked email correspondence) developing software to subvert wikipedia's community processes for American propaganda purposes, but the admins (one of them is an admin) refuse to act and as long as that doesn't change the effort is better spent telling people to stop using wikipedia as a source on this subject. Of course you are right about the Su-25's service ceiling. The article originally had the correct 10km service ceiling but this was changed later to reflect the Su-25K's lowered service ceiling. The Su-25K is the export version which doesn't include pressurized life support, hence the lower service ceiling. There are even much older videos (from 2010) showing loaded Su-25's flying above 7km, in this case 8.7km. The 10km service ceiling is found all over the websites of sellers, even the Ukrainian ones. The article also makes the false claim that 5km is the service ceiling when it is loaded (of course this is unsourced), whereas it is the combat ceiling. Meaning that 5km is the height at which the recoil from the cannons makes the plane stall against the engine thrust at that height. The 7km thing is total hogwash and based on nothing but the lack of pressurized life support in the specific export version. Of course you could also load up any decent military flight sim and try it out for yourself. But then again there's no point trying to get correct information in articles even tangentially related to the Ukrainian conflict, you'll just get badgered by the crowd committed to advancing their political propaganda tacitly supported by the admins. Better to just grab a box of popcorn and watch it go.B01010100 (talk) 06:58, 29 March 2015 (UTC)