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I am telling the admins about this problem. --67.80.218.118 (talk) 20:56, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Admins don't decide content but knock yourself out. Beware the WP:BOOMERANG for your WP:3RR violation. --NeilN 21:00, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

WE DONT ACCEPT THREATS!!!!! --67.80.218.118 (talk) 21:49, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Who's "we"? --NeilN 21:51, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedians, to be exact. Don't force an edit war, NeilN. --67.80.218.118 (talk) 21:57, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedians don't push their personal beliefs in fringe medical practices into articles and ignore sourcing. --NeilN 22:12, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Naturopathy is not a fringe medical practice. I will source the edits and all of that stuff.--67.80.218.118 (talk) 22:18, 5 March 2015 (UTC) Naturopathy cured hundreds of humans before, why isn't it considered a valid medical technique by you? --67.80.218.118 (talk) 22:24, 5 March 2015 (UTC) Seriously? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.80.218.118 (talk) 22:36, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

My opinion on naturopathy counts for squat. If you can find literature reviews or systematic reviews published in peer reviewed medical journals saying naturopathic practices are scientifically valid then I would totally support putting those in. --NeilN 22:56, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

You are ignoring my question. Please visit www.naturopathic.org for your reference, and check the WHOLE site. --Young Naturopath 01 (talk) 00:37, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Because your question is irrelevant. My opinion on naturopathy doesn't matter. Your opinion on naturopathy doesn't matter. Only what we can find in WP:MEDRS matters. And that website is not a WP:MEDRS. --NeilN 02:42, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

IP, NeilN is correct. Just follow the WP:MEDRS guideline and you will be fine on this matter at Misplaced Pages. Well, unless you cannot accept the WP:MEDRS guideline. Flyer22 (talk) 03:12, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

(Redacted) I am REALLY SMART. --Young Naturopath 01 (talk) 13:10, 6 March 2015 (UTC) Also, there are several sources in that website that are considered WP:MEDRS. --Young Naturopath 01 (talk) 13:26, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

@Young Naturopath 01: It's not a great idea to reveal your age here - see Misplaced Pages:Guidance for younger editors. Please provide the exact links to the pages you consider WP:MEDRS. --NeilN 13:31, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Consider reading Dr. Mercola's articles.--Young Naturopath 01 (talk) 15:18, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Neil can do whatever he wants, but I suspect he knows that Mercola's POV on just about anything is very misleading. You would be wise to avoid his articles. At Misplaced Pages, his opinions are only allowable as documentation for his own opinions, but never as documentation of truth. He's a horrible source of information. -- BullRangifer (talk) 04:43, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

BullRangifer, I suspect you and NeilN are BOTH MDs in disguise. --Young Naturopath 01 (talk) 21:40, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

And such speculation is forbidden here. It's considered a personal attack. Otherwise, thanks for the compliment, but, although I'm a health care professional, I'm not an MD. -- BullRangifer (talk) 01:05, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

BullRangifer, you consider the "MDs in disguise" comment both a personal attack and a compliment? I'd just consider it a compliment and shrug. Flyer22 (talk) 01:21, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Is there a smiley for "irony" and "sarcasm"? The NPA policy considers it a personal attack, and that was obviously the intention, and I was jokingly noting the irony that being considered an MD was an unintended compliment. -- BullRangifer (talk) 05:22, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Young Naturopath 01, if you're REALLY SMART then I'm not sure why you can't tell there's a gigantic gap between literature reviews or systematic reviews published in peer reviewed medical journals and a person whose views and practices have been characterized as "relying on slick promotion, clever use of information, and scare tactics" and "unsubstantiated claims clash with those of leading medical and public health organizations and many unsubstantiated recommendations for dietary supplements." --NeilN 16:55, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

NeilN, I suspected that because of your behavior, and also, I now found out that Kww is the ringleader of this "anti-nature" campaign that is wrecking the POV of pages related to natural healing. --Young Naturopath 01 (talk) 17:32, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Dun Dun Duuun!! - NQ (talk) 17:40, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Something you might find interesting

Fossil pushes back human origins 400,000 years If you are interested in the papers mentioned and do not have access to Science I have them. Jbh (talk) 13:09, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

@Jbhunley: I saw anonymous edits to some Misplaced Pages articles yesterday that referenced this finding - cool to see IP's helping with that. I'm no means an expert in this area so the Science summary is good for me, but thanks. --NeilN 13:37, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Very good to see people coming in to edit like that. Cheers. Jbh (talk) 15:09, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

God

Zxuiji (talk) 23:06, 6 March 2015 (UTC)zxuiji 22:55 6 March 2015 (UTC) In regards to you're 'answer' for my edit request , I hardly got halfway through the first paragraph before I realised you were out-right denying rock solid logic and instead choosing to believe that logically proving God's existence is misplaced belief and is not worth giving every reader a chance to save their soul from eternal damnation when God decides their time has come. I pity you and all the people that will not be saved because you refused to add a small snippet to the existence section of God's wiki page.

@Zxuiji: Please read WP:NOTSOAPBOX. --NeilN 23:11, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Urgent Deletion of Article on False Claims

Please it's urgent review the talk page of this article that has been created by you.

Please it's urgent review the talk page of this article that has been created by you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sanjoy64 (talk • contribs) 17:59, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Editor indeffed. --NeilN 17:01, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Jr. NTR

Hi, Neil. Can you upload an image of Jr. NTR. That old one was identified by a bot without copyright. I am just a beginner, so I don't know how to upload.

Thank you, Maheshreddy2 (talk — Preceding undated comment added 14:48, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

@Maheshreddy2: If you can first find a photo with a free-use license then I will help you upload it. --NeilN 17:07, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Am I dim or what?

Please explain how you consider that I have "violated the three revert rule". 87.81.147.76 (talk) 16:48, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

The text is a warning against edit warring. It does not explicitly state you have violated the three revert rule (note the "if"). --NeilN 16:51, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

So your edit summary "Warning: Violating the three - revert rule on Islamic calendar" was just intimidation? 87.81.147.76 (talk) 16:58, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

No, you need to be warned before being reported. If you revert again, then you can't say you were unaware of WP:3RR if you are reported. --NeilN 17:01, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

So now you're saying that one more revert will be a breach of "the three - revert rule". How do you work that? If you can't answer it's pure intimidation. Note that all your edits are a breach of WP:NPOV. 87.81.147.76 (talk) 17:10, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Currently you have four pointy edits to the caption in less than three days. That is edit warring. Per the warning, "Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly." --NeilN 17:15, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

A warning that you are about to breach 3RR isn't intimidation, it's intentionally worded strongly to avoid having to block people who need the notice. Please remember that edit summaries are not a substitute for discussion and consensus-finding on the relevant talkpage. Until a consensus emerges on the talkpage in favor of your proposed edits, you should confine your edits on that subject to uncontroversial matters. Not getting your way on the talkpage doesn't entitle you to breach 3RR. Acroterion (talk) 17:18, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict)It is intimidation. Four allegedly "pointy" edits in less than three days is not "about to breach 3RR". NeilN needs to explain himself because intimidation is blockable. Note that only NeilN claims the edits are "pointy". Other editors would say that removing sourced content breaches WP:NPOV and other editors have every right to reverse that. 87.81.147.76 (talk) 17:34, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

I have explained the warning appropriately as has Acroterion. You'll get no more from me on that matter. Your current edits are a continuation of what you tried to pull here and discussed here. --NeilN 17:46, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Just to clarify, there has been an open thread on the talk page about this for weeks. NPOV is one of the five pillars. That is non - negotiable. If NeilN wants to argue that his version is kosher, fine, but I can assure you that other editors will interpret silence from him as an indication that he doesn't have an argument. 87.81.147.76 (talk) 17:59, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Sigh. --NeilN 18:46, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Naveen Jain

Welcome back. Thanks for reviewing and responding to the situation there. --Ronz (talk) 20:25, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

@Ronz: You're welcome. Given his stance against COI editing, I found Jimbo's comments and unfounded accusations puzzling to say the least. I am glad that previously uninvolved editors like CorporateM did their own research and identified no major issues with the article. --NeilN 03:14, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

I find Jimbo's comments shocking. I can understand his getting worked up once when called upon by personal acquaintances to intervene, and so taking their side without a proper review of the situation. However, this second time he seems to be taking the side of a coi-editor with an axe to grind. I guess this gives some insight into why Misplaced Pages has been so slow to address conflicts of interest properly. --Ronz (talk) 20:18, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

@Ronz: WTF. That's all I can say. --NeilN 21:35, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

User:Jimbo Wales

It was a reference joke; not the right place for it. I apologize. --Arise again, Arisedrew! (talk) 21:09, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

I got ya back my brotha --Arise again, Arisedrew! (talk) 06:25, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

@Arise again, Arisedrew!: Thanks but a simple question should clear this up. --NeilN 06:27, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

Thanks Yash!. Appreciate that. --NeilN 16:26, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Edit removed?

Hi, NeilN. Why did you remove the information I provided about Zoe Saldana? Thank you, -Brent — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brentcox (talk • contribs) 21:23, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi Brentcox. Articles are encyclopedic in nature and not the place to add the "trivia of the day". Do you think anyone will care about Saldana's comments in a couple weeks or will they have any notable impact on her life? --NeilN 21:33, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

I do understand that concern, so help me understand the right way to frame the information, please. Or are you saying there is no right way to frame this so that it's relevant? On other Misplaced Pages pages we find references to anti-semitic comments made by other actors, for example, or anti-gay comments by other actors, but we don't dismiss these as mere trivia. They're important statements that give insight about how the actor views others and certain issues.

How can I include Saldana's comment that boycotting D&G over their anti-gay comments would be 'stupid' because it would compromise her wardrobe? If she had made such a comment about calls to boycott an openly racist diner, would that be relevant enough to add to her Misplaced Pages page? -Thank you, Brent — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brentcox (talk • contribs) 22:18, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

@Brentcox: Take a look at Mel_Gibson#Alcohol_abuse_and_legal_issues. His anti-semitic remarks were widely publicized and had an impact on his life and career. You need to find sources that say how this is going to affect her life or career. Again, actors are quoted every time they open their mouths. Very little of what they say is important enough to include in a biography. --NeilN 22:31, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

NeilN, thank you. That does clarify. I'll hold off and wait to see if this evolves. -Brent — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brentcox (talk • contribs) 22:35, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

NBA All-Star Game

how is it not a reliable source — Preceding unsigned comment added by KidClutch26 (talk • contribs)

Hi KidClutch26. The website's disclaimer has "This website is not affiliated with the National Basketball Association or any other organization." and there's no indication who runs it. Have you read Misplaced Pages:Identifying reliable sources? --NeilN 21:37, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

actually if you scroll all the way to the bottom of the page it says source National Basketball Association (NBA) — Preceding unsigned comment added by KidClutch26 (talk • contribs) 21:41, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

@KidClutch26: That's where it claims to get the info from which doesn't make it a reliable source. It also has links to a couple of webpages that Misplaced Pages has blacklisted. --NeilN 21:46, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

i'm a rookie at this so that's why i'm being a little stubborn in my changes. if that's what you believe is right so be it and will look into, but i wouldn't mind for an admin to look at this if i need to find new sources that will be fine too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KidClutch26 (talk • contribs) 21:59, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

@KidClutch26: The reason why I would get an admin involved is because, aside from the reliability issue, it links to some pretty dodgy sites. Have a look at Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive873#NBA_All-Star_Weekend. --NeilN 22:09, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

so what exactly is the url they are talking about — Preceding unsigned comment added by KidClutch26 (talk • contribs) 22:16, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

@KidClutch26: It's on this page. I can't add it here because it's blocked. As an aside, please don't create new sections every time you post. Edit the existing section for a topic. --NeilN 22:23, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

so sorry i keep on annoying you, but really see nothing wrong with it. it takes me to the right events the only issue i had it would open a spam window or it might just be my computer. i more of a visual person so if you can show or give me a walk through of what your trying to get at that would greatly appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KidClutch26 (talk • contribs) 22:33, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

@KidClutch26: The people who run the site that starts with "allstarweekend" falsely claimed they were the NBA's official site and threatened to sue Misplaced Pages if we didn't let them add their link to articles. But again, the site you're using is not a reliable source, irrespective of what links it hosts. And again, can you please stop adding new sections and instead click the "edit" link. --NeilN 23:03, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

what you said now makes sense, but now can i see it in the fine print. also i really had no clue on hitting the an edit link as i said i'm a rookie at this you can at least cut me some slack on that i will keep that in my for future edits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KidClutch26 (talk • contribs) 23:10, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

@KidClutch26: I've moved your post again. When you read this page do you see beside the NBA All-Star Game header? Click that. --NeilN 23:15, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

oh i see so sorry about that told you i'm a rookie, but anyway sorry for giving you such a hard time i looked into it and you were right thank you for the help and sorry i was so stubborn. you don't need to get an admin i'll use a more credible source like NBA.com, but if i have any further questions is cool if i comment here — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.205.189.56 (talk) 00:00, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

@KidClutch26: Hey good, you've posted in the right section! Misplaced Pages has a fair amount of policies and guidelines to help ensure articles are of good quality so if you have a question, just ask here or at the Teahouse. The next thing you can try doing is signing your posts by adding ~~~~ at the end of them. --NeilN 00:07, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Zeus is the God of incest.

Zeus was married to his sister, which is incest considering he had 70 children in his lifetime. So why not make Zeus the god of Incest, its not like he would be stealing anyone else's divine incest powers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cameron9028 (talk • contribs) 21:51, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

@Cameron9028: Because we don't make stuff up here. You'll need to find reliable sources that discuss Zeus as the god of incest. --NeilN 21:58, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

User:AbuseResearcher

Regarding this, what I stated about the other accounts, I suspect that User:AbuseResearcher is User:Nathan Larson/User:Tisane/User:Leucosticte (etc.). I recently commented on that editor at the Child pornography talk page. I am discussing him via email with a former Misplaced Pages editor who easily recognizes him, and that editor pointed out this edit by User:AbuseResearcher; I'd overlooked focusing on that edit. But looking at it combined with the other edits that User:AbuseResearcher has made, I am more convinced that he is User:Nathan Larson/User:Tisane/User:Leucosticte (etc.). So if I seem tense around this editor, that is why. I'm not sure if I can get a WP:CheckUser to look into this matter this early into the stage, unless it is Alison, but I do know that, if this is that WP:Sockpuppet master, this editor keeps trying my intelligence as far as recognizing him goes. One would think he would have learned by now not to create fully-referenced, WP:MOS-compliant Misplaced Pages articles right out of the gate, or almost right out of the gate, since that indicates his editing experience, and, in that regard, especially not articles that concern sexual aspects. Flyer22 (talk) 10:01, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

• Good grief - here comes a sock army. And yes,  Confirmed. Hold on ... details coming - Alison 19:09, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

•  Confirmed socks:

• AbuseResearcher (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• SecurityAnalyst720 (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• Restofyourlife (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• Wiki142699 (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• Avastsava (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• PeachBush (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• Kod Peas (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• Mammoth Kod (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• K LeFet (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• Orkney Springs (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• Victoria Crescent (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)

I've also gone ahead and contacted ArbCom to let them know, as he's banned, and deleted most of his cruddier articles. You might want to pick through his edits for pro-pedo POV-pushing - Alison 19:41, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Holy Batman! Flyer22, you bring me such lovely articles to add to my watchlist :-j --NeilN 20:07, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the check, Alison, for deleting most of his articles again, and for contacting WP:ArbCom about this. I'd hoped that since his User:Ferberson account, and previous accounts were globally banned by WP:WMF, this meant I'd have to worry about him less; I was under the impression that his IP ranges are blocked long-term. They likely are. But, of course, he can get assigned new IP ranges if he has a dynamic IP or moves to a different city or country, and he still has the option of using WP:Proxies. Because he keeps showing up under a different user account to create a Misplaced Pages article (and, obviously, to make other edits), I think it's an excellent approach to revert his edits and delete his articles...no matter if the edit is valid (unless it's vandalism or correcting a blatant error) and no matter if the article is decent. Otherwise, he still gets to contribute to Misplaced Pages each and every time. So per that, and per what I've stated at WP:Med about his Vaginal laxity article, I also think that the Vaginal laxity article should be deleted. Perhaps you or Euryalus will delete it? If you two would rather not, no worries; I don't mind seeking the deletion elsewhere. I also considered that Banglange (talk · contribs) might be User:Nathan Larson/User:Tisane/User:Leucosticte (etc.), as seen from this "future reference" diff-link (though the inclusion of transgender aspects in his editing would be a change from his typical editing style), and I questioned that editor's newness, but your check above indicates otherwise as far as the editor being User:Nathan Larson/User:Tisane/User:Leucosticte (etc.) goes.

NeilN, LOL. Thanks. Flyer22 (talk) 21:10, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Article deleted per WP:G5. It might benefit from being replaced by a redirect, but will leave that up to others to work out the best target page (or if that's worth doing at all). -- Euryalus (talk) 21:40, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. Flyer22 (talk) 22:03, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Improvement intended on the page on Criticism of Jehovah's Witnesses

Hi Neil, I received this message from you:

"Hello, I'm NeilN. I noticed that you recently removed some content from Criticism of Jehovah's Witnesses without explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Misplaced Pages with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; I restored the removed content. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks! NeilN talk to me 23:39, 14 November 2014 (UTC)"

The piece I removed was the following: "BeDuhn also stated that whilst there are "a handful of examples of bias in the ", that "most of the differences are due to the greater accuracy of the NW as a literal, conservative translation of the original expressions of the New Testament writers." He concluded that "the NW and are not bias free, and they are not perfect translations. But they are remarkably good translations ... often better than .""

This is evidently a piece of propaganda formed by the ingenous citing practices that Jehovah's Witnesses use to manipulate points in favor of their standpoints. Since the page is called "Criticism of Jehovah's Witnesses", I judged that the sentence in question is not relevant to the page. JW have enough space to defend their views on the main Misplaced Pages page: "Jehovah's Witnesses".

Therefore I would like to ask you kindly to restore my edit.

Greetings, Casper — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.240.189.67 (talk)

Judging from your words, it seems a pointer to WP:NPOV is in order. "Criticism of " articles aren't one-sided hit pieces on the subject. To present a neutral point of view, rebuttals are also presented. --NeilN 14:17, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Fair enough. But what if the rebuttal is based on faulty citing of another author's work (DeBuhn)? Just look at the content of the citation. It is basically a creation of cut-and-paste remarks glued together and ripped out of context. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.240.189.67 (talk) 12:43, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Or do you want me to go as far as to look up the specific page in the book to proof that the actual sentence and context are saying something different? --195.240.189.67 (talk) 12:56, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Yes, you need to use the article's talk page to explain why the article text is a misrepresentation of the source. --NeilN 14:46, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

the username confusion and pages

ok noted. sorry. the instructions are really confusing tq — Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.92.146.62 (talk) 15:23, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Political Bias in Wiki amung you and other senior editors

Hello I am wondering why you and the other admins/major editors on Misplaced Pages have a blatent biased political stance. I see this all the time in relation to articles on countries that are not alligned to Israel/USA/NATO.

For example I see you and other editors change articles on Wiki to have a pro Ukrianian stance in the articla of the 2014 Odessa Massacre. I looked at the history and there is a clear poltiically motivated aggressive movement of various editors to change the massacre to cut out any information showing that the massacre is a massacre (editors claim it was an accident even when there is proof presented it was deliberate), as well as editors trying to downplay the fact that Ukrianians chased the victims into a building, lit it on fire, and shot anyoen escaping. All issues that have been shown in media, including through undisputable video evidence. There is a very clear political bias here.

This bais is shown all over Misplaced Pages. I see this in many articles and I have seen many discussion boards all over the internet discussing the blatent polticial bias in wikipedia. I am wondering why you people destroy wikipedia and do you get paid for it or is it a very deep rooted poltical bias against, in the previous exampe at least Russia?

Why is the overall political bias in Misplaced Pages not addressed? Are the oldest admins politically linked? — Preceding unsigned comment added by McCouchsky (talk • contribs) 00:28, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

McCouchsky, let me adapt my answer from here. People like yourself who advocate for a particular political stance or wish to use Misplaced Pages as a soapbox are generally going to be unhappy with articles that don't reflect that stance or when their "my side is good! the other side is evil!" edits are reverted. --NeilN 00:40, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

YOU are the one that is making wikipedia politically biased. Not me. I don't even edit it. I'm here to point out that YOU are the one who has made Misplaced Pages regarded as a joke. Ask nearly anyone anywhere outside of the little box here that you live your life in and there is now a concensus: Due to its nature the political biases of the senior editors reflects most articles, espcially ones that are political in nature. Now you are mad and you claim I am using it as a soapbox...for one thing YOU are the one making the edits, I'm here to point out you (senior admins) have destoryed and made a joke if Misplaced Pages from which it will never recover. This was initially a place to learn and is now a punchline. Secondly when I try to bring the attention to the fact it is SENIOR EDITORS that make the politicaly motivated changes you get angry/scrared of the issue being brought up and you try to use the age old tactic of projecting your biases onto me..a person that doesn't edit wiki just sees that it has a huge corruption issue...ugh..I wonder if you people feel good knowing you can spread your own prejudices and political biases onto the less informed and children...at the expense of making Wiki a farce to anyone even half educated or serious. — Preceding unsigned comment added by McCouchsky (talk • contribs) 00:47, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

McCouchsky you don't edit Misplaced Pages? , And this destroyed and joke of a site is the sixth most visited website in the world, partially because we try to keep religious/ethnic/political/pseudoscientific biased nonsense out of articles. --NeilN 00:54, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Ok I made my account 1 hour ago and made an edit to correct political biases shown by an editor..I then proceeded to see in the history that on many of the articles, including the one I edited, there are very serious very aggressive actions by senior editors to guide articles into a very biased stance, for example one that is pro american/nato/ukraine in question. I'm not even russian..i'm a polish canadian and i dislkie russians yet i'll call a spade a spade at least when it come to massacres..I have some respect for the truth unlike you, clearly.

DO THIS AND COME BACK: Look at the title of the article an consider a hundred people got herded into a building and then it was lit on fire, and anyone escaping got shot. THIS IS ALL ON VIDEO all over the internet...the deaths...the fires...the murder...100% on video. Go watch the videos begnnign to end if you ahve the stomach, then re-read the article in question, then come back here and tell me again there is no biased stance in your edits and in Wikipropagandia.

The fact that the site gets hits doesn't mean anythign about its reputation. Do you honestly think people do not know that its inherent structure makes the articles biased towards the views of the most senior editors ? Seriously? I didn't think it was possible not to know that. There are topics here that may not be biased due to their nature, but when it comes to anythign political the articles are edited in such a biased and ridiculous fashion they make CNN, RT, and Alex Jones blush. — Preceding unsigned comment added by McCouchsky (talk • contribs) 01:08, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

@McCouchsky: Sorry, when you compare this site unfavorably to Alex Jones, you lose all credibility with me. 2_May_2014_Odessa_clashes#Trade_Unions_House_fire looks to be properly sourced and balanced and written in a non-sensationalistic manner (unlike what you have above). If you wish to present other reliable sources (not random Youtube videos) then use the article's talk page. --NeilN 01:17, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Well, I guess you won't go see the videos and then compare to the bias in the article. You wouldn't want to see that you've wasted ten years editing just another propaganda site..fear and ego are big drivers so I can understand you not wanting to put yourself through seeing videos that crush the world you built up around you

Anway if you think Wikipropagandia has more credibility than Alex Jones (who makes arguments based on selective evidence as well) then I feel sorry for you. I hope you enjoy knowing you spent 10 years on a site that has such blatent biases and propganda that it has become a punchline. Heck, even mainstream media has numerous articles claiming you, THE SENIOR EDITORS, have turned it into a sensationalist politically motivated rag. Enjoy the next ten years well wasted! — Preceding unsigned comment added by McCouchsky (talk • contribs) 01:25, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

I find it hilarious in a very sad and pathetic sort of way that, whenever some Young Turk whines vociferously about "Misplaced Pages having an intolerable bias," it is because Misplaced Pages is not biased towards aforementioned whiny Young Turk's personal agenda.--Mr Fink (talk) 02:20, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

What personal agenda? That I want aricles to be neutral and not biased? Why is it that every article here on Ukraine is blatently pro natio biased? I'm not talking about having it pro russian I'm talking about it not even being neutral. It's ridiculous! The sources cited that are anti-russian are fringe blogs and guys with cameras filming themselves. Whenever someone with a half decent source posts something contrary to the official State Department narrative it is deleted, or worded to sound illegitimate. You know exactly what I'm talking about. It's not just the Ukrainian crises either, seems to be many articles everywhere are very left leaning instead of neutral.

Whatever. No point in arguing with some wikipedia senior editor, your life is only existant on an online pseudo-encyclopedia so I have a hard time thinking any of you will ever take contructive criticism without your fragile egos exploding. The fact this is your hobby/life just goes to show how out of touch with reality most senior editors on wikipropagandia are.. You are clearly some (Personal attack removed) keyboard warrior that will defend his biases and not address issues that do not fit your own personal agendas. You and I, and everyone else, knows this. Who else would live your life of making a biased pseudo-encylopedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by McCouchsky (talk • contribs) 13:45, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

@McCouchsky: In all your rants, you have not presented one single link to a specific source you'd like to use ("look up videos" is not a source) or a link to a source you find dubious. --NeilN 14:50, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

There is obviously some confusion here as to what constitutes a senior editor. What editing Dan are you NeilN? -Roxy the dog™ (resonate) 15:37, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Roxy the dog™, there's also the misapprehension that "senior editors" can agree on anything. Even the color of the sky would be up for debate ("it's blue!" "not to birds, you homo sapienist!" "that'd be placing undue weight on birds, insects outnumber birds" "that's just silly" "you all are a bunch of idiots. the obvious solution is to create a sourced list article that lists all animals and how they perceive the sky and link to that") --NeilN 15:57, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Followed by the obligatory RFC, ANI posts, and request for an Arbcom case, of course. --NeilN 16:02, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

I am wondering why you people destroy wikipedia and do you get paid for it...I can see that Misplaced Pages is about two years behind on sending me my checks. I'm losing interest on that money, Misplaced Pages. Liz 16:15, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Nazi party

Hi there, could you possibly respond to Talk:Nazi_Party#Pseudo-scientific regarding your recent revert to the article.

Thank you.--Hashi0707 (talk) 01:19, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Done --NeilN 01:24, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

thanks for talking

nice to meet you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rohinisinghaliya (talk • contribs) 16:21, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Elizabeth Taylor

See here. Sorry, I don't know how to ping people. Yours, Quis separabit? 20:26, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Jill Kelley

the edits by nicvampure are vandalizing and unnecessary Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kennsington (talk • contribs) 23:07, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

@Kennsington: Their edits were in no way vandalism. Your reversions however, falsely labeling them vandalism, are disruptive. Please stop and use the talk page. --NeilN 23:14, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

I should also add you called my edit vandalism. --NeilN 23:16, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Deletion review for Daniel DC Caldwell, I

I read your disruptive editing warning and think this is what the guidelines tell me to do.

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Daniel DC Caldwell, I. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. DCdanielcaldwell (talk) 06:54, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

DCdanielcaldwell, the best thing you can do is stop attempting to use Misplaced Pages for your election campaign. --NeilN 07:01, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Would you support letting it be and call it fair if I start a comparable subpage stub for each of the other candidates, too?DCdanielcaldwell (talk) 07:15, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

@Alwaysremember: No. You don't seem to understand. Misplaced Pages is not an election hustings. --NeilN 07:17, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

@NeilN:, I hear your accusation of WP:COI. I was hoping that the goal "to produce a neutral, reliably sourced encyclopedia" and WP:NPOV would be served by balancing the Incumbent advantage in at least this one forum. So much for Fairness and proportionality *sigh*.DCdanielcaldwell (talk) 07:55, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

The changing landscape of Private Equity

We are very busy trying to define things but by the time we have defined them they have changed, that's why i love Wiki and indeed your note saying you have removed my link on Private Equity, i am sure its an auto remove and so saying it was inappropriate was down to the fact that i added a link. Sorry, i just want to get my message out there the best way possible, yes its commercial but its also needed. Private Equity has changed, Crowd Funding is going to change everything beyond what we think the market is now and i am doing something that sits between those worlds with Quoted Private Equity and the European Stock Exchange.

Edward Fitzpatrick European Stock Exchange

Please read the conflict of interest note I left on your talk page. Misplaced Pages is not here for you to get your message out there. --NeilN 13:34, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Revert

Hi Neil, According to Twinkle that shouldn't of happened - It was something to do with the protection which was why it apparently couldn't be nominated.... so not really sure how or why it then done it ?,
Anyway thought I'd say thanks for quickly reverting :) –Davey2010 04:10, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

@Davey2010: You've also nominated Human and Frozen. What the heck? Keep pranks away from content. --NeilN 04:13, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

They're allowed providing the AFD tag isn't on the article...... –Davey2010 04:13, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

@Davey2010: You're putting them on the article. Adding them and then deleting them is not the way to go. --NeilN 04:17, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Exactly I'm deleting them .... Not leaving them on there .... therefore it's fine..... –Davey2010 04:18, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

@Davey2010: All right, let me be clear. Do it again and I'll take you to WP:ANI. Create the AFDs by hand and don't tag the article at all. --NeilN 04:22, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Take me to ANI I really could'nt give a flying toss - I've apologized for the above but what I'm doing is acceptable here and I'll carry on regardless. –Davey2010 04:30, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

@Davey2010: It's not acceptable to be messing about in mainspace. You can do what you want without using Twinkle. --NeilN 04:33, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Neil It's perfectly fine to use Twinkle - Providing you immediately remove the tag from the article there is no problem at all, If you really wanna take me to ANI for essentially having a sense of humour then please be my guest (I appreciate some people hate this sort of thing but others like myself see it as a bit of fun and proving you follow the rules and don't be a complete idiot (like some at the AFD log!) then there's not really a problem), Anyway Happy Editing. –Davey2010 04:40, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

--NeilN 05:06, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello sir i am Jasmeen Kaur .I am a girl and lives in India. i want a help from you .Someone is editing inappropriate content without any references on article Siege of Sirhind please visit its talk page. Jasmeen-229 (talk) 08:43, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Celebrate

FYI

Hello N. Just wanted to let you know that I reported Pinkelvi at UAA just before your AIV report. It will be interesting to see which one is acted on first. Speaking of "first" enjoy the rest of your April one. MarnetteD|Talk 15:44, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

@MarnetteD: I'm guessing it was a ping. --NeilN 16:10, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Copyright on Kent Hovind's Picture

I don't see how I am violating copyright when the copyright for that photo of Dr. Kent Hovind is under the CSE 2011 Free Distribution Copyright. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jalvarez4Jesus (talk • contribs) 00:45, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

@Jalvarez4Jesus: What's a "free distribution copyright"? Do the terms allow modification and resale for commercial purposes? And the other picture you uploaded - where did you get that Hovind "allows anyone to use it for any purpose, provided that the copyright holder is properly attributed. Redistribution, derivative work, commercial use, and all other use is permitted."? --NeilN 00:52, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Atif Aslam‎

Here is the published source: http://www.socialbakers.com/statistics/facebook/pages/total/pakistan/

Look yourself, even if facebook is highly volatile, this information will not be changed any sooner. Because you change my information in couple of minute, I assure you that this would last longer than that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maulakhan (talk • contribs) 04:01, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

That's pretty synthy. You really should have a newspaper or magazine stating that. --NeilN 04:09, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Ok! got it! thanks.Maulakhan (talk) 04:13, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Ghostwriting Page - re Remuneration and Credit

I re-inserted text several times last night and today about Manhattan Literary (ML), a ghostwriting firm, under the Remuneration and Credit section of the Ghostwriter page. KWW keeps undoing my edit, and NeilN intervened in what is called "an editing war." I was not aware of the rule but will respect the 24 hour rule from now on.

Similar information re ML's pricing for books was on the page for a long time, but it got removed. I feel it is useful and specific enough to warrant inclusion -- especially since many of the entries here are so generic ("Co. X charges within this range..." -- without any clue as to why the price would vary.)

KWW keeps removing the text, repeatedly, stating:

"Kww (talk | contribs)‎ . . (36,455 bytes) (-965)‎ . . (Undid revision 654652775 by Mariwiki77 ('talk)not directly supported by source) (undo | thank)'"

This is factually false. It is supported. (Why is KWW so tenacious here in repeatedly undoing my edit, and so vague?)

A reference and a citation are given for my editorial additions here: a) the ML website itself, that cites projects they have done with notable clients; and b) The Washington Post interviewed ML in June 2014 and asked about the PRICES it charges.This is specifically relevant to the section. I explained this in the edit summary -- and added that the editorial additions I inserted are new, specific, and reported by an expert in the field. No why does KWW get off merely writing "no directly supported by source."

I am a professional in this field.

Further, this ML related information on the prices of ghostwriters was formerly in this section and had been deleted by someone -- I could not find the deletion in the history -- I would appreciate knowing who did it and why -- since what was added after is merely generic info about other firms prices.

The new content here explains WHY the cost can vary. This is both interesting and probably necessary information for the potential client researching the topic.

Again, these additions about pricing policy at Manhattan Lit are substantiated by references to the ML website -- which shows a long track record in the field with some notable clients; and The Washington Post recognizing the firm as expert in a June 2014 article.

- Mariwiki77 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mariwiki77 (talk • contribs) 17:54, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi Mariwiki77. This sounds a bit too much like advertising for ML to me. The best place to discussed proposed wording is on Talk:Ghostwriter. --NeilN 18:52, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Mariwiki77 Responding here just to keep it in one place. I "get off merely writing 'not directly supported by source'" because everything thing you say must be directly substantiated in the citation you provide. You only provided a link to http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/who-wrote-that-political-memoir-no-who-actually-wrote-it/2014/06/09/8e89ccae-f00a-11e3-9ebc-2ee6f81ed217_story.html , which doesn't contain material which directly supports statements like "Statistically, only about half of all clients come to ghostwriters with a draft" or "the firm stresses that any effort by the client that saves the writer time and work, or gives the project a push forward, should save that client money". The promotional tone in your edits is pretty strong as well.—Kww(talk) 21:02, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Kip McKean

Hi Neil, I have good reason to believe that the IP editor who keeps adding stuff like this, this and this is user Qewr4231. I have an open case at Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Qewr4231 about him and he probably thinks that if he logs off he'll escape scrutiny. He's been on a 4+ year mission to throw shade on Kip McKean and McKean's churches. Thanks for your quick reverts. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:17, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb: Thanks for the heads up. I've also collapsed some problematic material on the talk page. --NeilN 20:01, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

No probls. Thanks for your assists. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:06, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Recent revert to a user page

Hi. Can you please explain this edit to me? I really don't understand your revert here. --MZMcBride (talk) 19:33, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

@MZMcBride: Sure. The user was blocked and was complaining on his talk page that others were editing his user page and harassing him. I reverted these edits as they came in and suggested the editor ask for semi protection which was eventually done. --NeilN 19:38, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Ah, okay, thank you for the quick clarification! I hadn't realized he had been blocked. I re-tried making the edit here. (This comic aside, I'm pretty sure he wants "affects" there.) --MZMcBride (talk) 19:46, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

@MZMcBride: I agree with you but the editor was upset enough as it was without discussing proper spelling. BTW, as for the semi, it's not uncommon - an admin semi'd my user page years ago and there was minimal disruption. It actually helps a bit as newbies have to post to the right page and don't risk having their posts overlooked. --NeilN 19:51, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Rajneesh NPOV and Primary Sources

Hi Neil,

The good faith edits including primary sources are allowed by wikipedia, where the statement is direct and verifiable and obvious, especially in the biography of persons, with the published content used to describe details of what they spoke about. The policy is here WP:PRIMARY. There are no interpretations in the article, based on primary sources.

I believe this leads a balanced NPOV, since critics are usually secondary sources allowing for interpretation, but any factual errors used in interpretation can be corrected using primary resources, which is the case here. The result is a balanced critique, as critiques are woven in with correct facts.

Regards Julianraymondk (talk) 16:59, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

@Julianraymondk: This is just from the lead:

• "Born in a village in India, to a free rebellious childhood, and undergoing transformative experiences with death and meditation, he reported spiritual enlightenment at 21 years of age. An autodidact, and exceptional debater..."
• "On 24 Sep 1985 he made a press announcement that the investigating team instead of tracking the absconded criminals, were bribing people with immunity in exchange for statements to indict and remove as many key organizational people as possible through false charges in an attempt to cripple or destroy the commune. By Nov 1985, he was accused of immigration violations of which he accepted two minor violations upon his attorneys advice and entered an Alford plea asserting innocence but conceding the jurys ability to convict him legally."
• "Osho's return to Pune marked a resurgence in new techniques of meditative therapies and discourses focussed on Zen, and the ashram expanded. His health declined, and he left his body on 19 Jan 1990 and is said to have left his body in a very aware state after giving away his personal items."

You need to look at WP:NPOV and WP:GEVAL. Your proposed changes clearly put the Rajneesh-approved version of events front and center. --NeilN 17:03, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

The first point is necessary for coherency to show significant spiritual events or happenings, in the life of a spiritual leader. Just like we would show childhood prodigious nature of a artist/savant. The second point describes internal events that was especially relevant to the charging of immigration violation, a huge event, leading to the collapse of commune which is the primary subject of that paragraph. For a neutral pov, both versions need to be present especially when you are negating the views of the person who this article is about. Silencing the Rajneesh-view on every issue itself is a POV. Especially when accusations and counter accusations flow, a neutral space is where no ones voice is silenced. So you may not like the Rajneesh voice, but it should not be silenced for a balanced pov. What is your problem with the third. new therapies, zen discourses etc are well known.

I disagree that this is a Rajneesh-approved pov, since Rajneesh wouldnt advertise his arrest, commune collapse, highlighting of just the controversies about his teachings in the lead, and yet I have left them all in the lead, to reflect the opposite pov. Neither viewpoints should be silenced. WP:GEVAL does not apply to this article, since it is not a minority opinion or extraordinary claim of article, and since both views are significant to understanding the subject at hand.

This is the primary effort of NPOV... Misplaced Pages aims to describe disputes, but not engage in them. Editors, while naturally having their own points of view, should strive in good faith to provide complete information, and not to promote one particular point of view over another. As such, the neutral point of view does not mean exclusion of certain points of view, but including all verifiable points of view which have sufficient due weight. WP:GEVAL being invalid for this article, should not be used discourage NPOV.

Regards Julianraymondk (talk) 17:51, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

@Julianraymondk: WP:GEVAL certainly applies for this bit of puffery: "to a free rebellious childhood, and undergoing transformative experiences with death and meditation, he reported spiritual enlightenment at 21 years of age. An autodidact, and exceptional debater." WP:EUPHEMISM applies to the third point - he died, nothing else. And the second point is basically inserting a press release for the subject into the lead. --NeilN 18:01, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

And now you are edit warring to keep this puffery in the article. Wonderful. --NeilN 18:04, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

John Tormondsen

Sorry about the edit conflict; I had no intention of deleting your deletion proposal. Cheers, 2602:302:D88:CFA9:BC9E:B1CF:D269:DFFB (talk) 21:07, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

No problem, I restored your addition. --NeilN 21:08, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for correcting my edit on the death panel article.

I meant to only look at it, but I guess I hit the wrong button and changed it. I appreciate that you brought it back to where it should be.

Fishycow (talk) 02:32, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi Fishycow. Thanks for the clarification. --NeilN 02:33, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

How Buddhism in Nepal since Buddha was born in Nepal.

Hi NeilN, Can you please write about how is Buddhism in Nepal since Buddha was born in Nepal. I can see mostly focus in other part, I supposed Nepal also have to be done about something am I right??. I want to see whole world know the truth. tks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.164.59.241 (talk) 13:09, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Replied here. --NeilN 15:09, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Buddhism

Did you really intend to revert this with your last edit? JimRenge (talk) 15:57, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

@JimRenge: Are you talking about this? Yes, but I can see a case for its inclusion so if it's reinserted I wouldn't protest. --NeilN 16:02, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

I see what you mean. No, I reverted too far. Fixed. --NeilN 16:04, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

I is ready fo mah edumacation

How does one confuse Manet with Monet and Monet with Manet? Should we add a distinguish tag to Chocalate for people looking for Chocolat? I admit I do not understand this. Viriditas (talk) 01:17, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

@Viriditas: It's pretty easy in verbal conversation when you mishear or the speaker has sloppy pronunciation. --NeilN 02:38, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Double Negatives

I received a message from you stating that I ought to cite use of double negatives; however I disagree since language shouldn't be cited because it's existential all around us. Infact, I was removing the hostility towards double negatives which had enough bias by creating a balanced argument. Indeed it's not cited, but neither are many other aspects within the article and of language in general. Remember, language does not belong to the few, but to everyone. How it changes ought to be accepted regardless; there's no such thing as 'X is not allowed in Y language'. Removing my contributions will only expose your own bias. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vormeph (talk • contribs) 01:19, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

@Vormeph: The assertions and opinions you are adding need to come from reliable sources. Just because other unsourced content exists does not mean that editors get to add yet more unsourced content and personal opinions. --NeilN 02:42, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

@NeilN: There are countless articles on Misplaced Pages whereof not even half within are sourced. Why is that out of those articles you pick the 'Double Negatives' article? You clearly have some form of hostility towards double negatives in general, otherwise you might as well wipe out many articles on Misplaced Pages for being unsourced. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vormeph (talk • contribs)

@Vormeph: I have some form of hostility to editors adding their own opinions to articles. As I alluded to before, fix the unsourced stuff, don't add more to it. --NeilN 14:14, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Kakatiya dynasty

I've long known that Kakatiya dynasty was a poor article. I've been delving into it since The Blade of the Northern Lights semi-protected the thing and I'm amazed that, yet again, we have an India-related article where there was so much edit warring about pov stuff and so little attempt to introduce the mass of other material that is actually out there. It takes me back to Nair, which was the first Indian article I dealt with and which had similar issues. That one should go to WP:GAN some time, and I rather suspect that the Kakatiya one would in due course easily make the grade also.

Seeing all these opportunities for even basic improvement lost in vanity battles is quite disheartening sometimes. - Sitush (talk) 13:31, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

@Sitush: Wow, what a cleanup! I don't know if the issue can ever be curtailed or solved. Even if WMF campaigns to attract editors pound the need for sourcing into their heads, there's enough poor sources out there that support whatever cruft they want to add. The problem is compounded by the fact that most editors on the English-language Misplaced Pages cannot tell the sources are poor. --NeilN 13:43, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Yes, RS and NPOV are the problems even if V is resolved. - Sitush (talk) 18:54, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Since my name was mentioned here, I'd just like to say that I'm available to use my admin tools wherever necessary. Don't ever hesitate to ping me, someone needs to handle this area and it might as well be me. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 19:38, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

:)

Fuck you. Eat shit and die.