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Seen you have added this - when there are two already WP:NOVEL, WP:NOVELS what is the rationale for another. :: Kevinalewis : /_(Desk) 07:52, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Not categorized, so unknown to this writer at the time of creation. Complex, huh! I'm not good at quickly assimulating new terms... a short term memory thing common to ADHD. The ones I wrote are case reflective of their proper names... so easier (for me at least) to remember. Nothing more. In further defense, no one had used {{shortcut}} on any of the pages I tagged, so the visibility was poor, so to speak.

One thought I had logging in a while back was whether there was a book templates catalog page... Something along the lines of the usage I wrote in {{commonscat4}} where each template is displayed and discussed for ease of reference. Strikes me as a good idea. (I'm big on 'self-documentation' and ease of use things... we all have limited time volunteering our services, and anything which speeds assimulation or spreads know-how to newcomers is good and Right Things to do, IMHO.) From a project management perspective, such should attract more people to become regulars in the overall project as they'd quickly gain a comfort level with the sub-community and it's tools and practices.

I'd submit that either WPP:Novels/tags and/or WPP:Books/standards name-types be considered. The page itself would be the full expanded form, not these 'shortcut' formats. (On further mature reflection, reserving 'standards' sub-article page might be better employed for some sort of checklist guideline.) // FrankB 16:45, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi guys - I recently rooted through the templates category and assembled a bunch of useful templates in the Category:Book templates. If you think a sub-page for either the Novels or Books WikiProject would be useful, I'd be happy to create an annotated list. Cheers, ♥ Her Pegship♥ 18:48, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Kevin joins in

Just for the record the shortcuts were mentioned in the conventional fashion at the top of the main WikiProject Novels page in the little box (middle top). This is common on WikiProject pages. Next we can't mention everything everywhere making all things available wherever people navigate. We must divide up and place things in a subdivided or categorised fashion. Having said that I have no objectin ot the estblishment of a tag / template page to record and advertise the various options. Either your self of "Pegship" are free to set such a thing up. Name it either Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Novels/Tags or Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Novels/Templates and we can see about format / layout etc when we have a start. :: Kevinalewis : /_(Desk) 07:46, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Kevin

I think Pegships' gone on vacation. Where are you from. I'm still at it at 4:00 am coming up fast! Obviously, Peg and I have a 'history', and have been working together on and off closely on some matters for three months now. Frankly, I really don't want to be doing 'Fiction' things, but there's this nagging sense of responsibility that sort of sucks me into need-vaccuums that I find hard to ignore. Put the two together, and don't take this the wrong way. Conventional projects fashion is something of a null statement to me. Haven't been involved in ANY wikiProjects until two weeks back, and that was just a courtesy sign in for future need. I do a lot of fiddle-faddle edits on their pages, so I thought I should join (Military History). Ditto Books and Novels, since I've taken on the responsibility for the 1632 series... which has led to taking some responsibility for the Template:W2.

To add insult to injury, I've been deeply involved in the (so far Unofficial) InterwikiProject to equalize categories between Wikimedia Commons and here as well as occasionally dabble with matters at wikisource and meta. Add in trying to keep up with Tfd and Cfd plus article edits, and I'm a very busy guy here. And those 'commons' guys want me to take the lead at putting 'that' together as a official project. So forgive me if I'm a little dense at times. I see something that seems to need done, and I do it... like the shortcuts. Like half a dozen templates developed in the last week. Hell just take a look at the inter-Project connections I did up through 24 hrs ago. I dig in and accelerate until things work or look right... or at least good enough for now. e.g. Did you see the prototype Project tag I put on Peg's page? Reaction???

You might need to explain a little bit more - not sure I'm grasping the purpose. You want to Model a project tag on {{WikiProject Novels}} which I don't think exists, or {{NovelsWikiProject}} which does. The other aspect of this tends to suggest to me you want the Novels project tag to add all novels to the WikiProject Books. I can see that is logical, but workload wise surely Books project will have enough to handle with everything in literature "other" that Novels. I can see a specific value in the project for co-ordinating the work of all other Book related projects. Otherwise the tendency will be for Books to take over and the "monsterous" scope of such a project may sink it. May be it's me that is miss understanding so bear with me. :: Kevinalewis : /_(Desk) 09:02, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

What I'm proposing is a tag on the pertinent category pages with a four-fold purpose:

1. Advertise the Project(s) — keep putting the message out there that there is a project or three
2. Auto-tag the category to WikiProject Category, pipesorted however
3. Link back to both the Talk and Project Page... as in 'Duhhh, I have a question on catting such and such'... which should again serve to attract talent to the projects.
4. Lastly, having 'Spammed' the book universe of editors with our presence, it serves to remind them they may have some standards to at least look at and should probably consider.

• All of which I opine, should cut the work in the long run, and renew the talent pool with newer enthusiastic editors (at least for a while). Yeah, it's cynical, but it's also pragmatic and forward looking... my stock in trade!

See Category:Fantasy, Category:Honorverse, and Category:1632 series, all of which I made a foray into last morning. (Yee Gads! It's light out again!) There may have been a few others, but that's the best I can recollect now. <g> The redlink will expand to the three projects boxes as I described on Pegs talk 1-2-3 (I hope). The novels template (Not series related) will just have the two. The odd other book (I count anthologies more as novels, so sequential novels, cookbooks, how to, whatever isn't fiction, just get the one.) Clear now? // FrankB 09:49, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Least I leave room for confusion, there is and will only be one template placed per category page... the auto-categorization and display will be performed by the one template per page. Less work that way. I'm basically lazy! <g> // FrankB 09:52, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

If the Older ones (Shortcuts) were listed somewhere on the busy project page, well, I'm a great believer in redundancy being an engineer. The world would stop without it, and repetition is the root of all learning. Hence, an extra redirect or an use of {{shortcut}} to highlight the presence isn't going to hurt, and may help someone else see what you think was obvious, or perhaps you don't. Be assured of one thing... if I do something, it makes sense to me and I've got some kind of reason. All you got to do is cross check my contribs here and on the commons and you'll see I'm putting in 110%. But that doesn't make me eidetic, nor necessarily grasp something the first time, nor see something conventional to those used to that aspect of wikiculture. So do be patient. I'll spin up to speed on what you all have going soon—and I'll probably stubb my toes a few more times while cranking things out. So just nudge me in the right direction. I'm not going to make a stink. Gotta get back to some edits. This late night crap is murder at my age! Best regards. // FrankB 08:24, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

• Btw - what the hell is a desk??? And how do you use it? What for, etc. Cheers! // FrankB 08:24, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

It's is an idea I saw on a few other people pages - I think originally related to work on cleanup tagged articles. However I thought it a neat idea. Basic is the notion on an electronic desk on which you can place vertual "post its". I.e. mini projects for someone (or self) to remember to work on. :: Kevinalewis : /_(Desk) 08:33, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Hmmmm! Makes sense. I've been mostly working out a home office this last decade and I forgot about that aspect of the cubical culture in shared work places. Not a bad idea. Thanks. // FrankB 08:37, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I give up... with this history, how are you doing anything with it, on it, or whatever???

(cur) (last) 15:02, 4 April 2006 Kevinalewis (Talk | contribs) (add this page as the first Other) (cur) (last) 14:51, 4 April 2006 Kevinalewis (Talk | contribs) m (subst) (cur) (last) 12:42, 4 April 2006 Kevinalewis (Talk | contribs) (New Desk) What's the secret? // FrankB 08:42, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

WP:BOOKS box

About the box for WP:BOOKS...I don't think boxes are permitted anywhere except userspace, so I don't know if you could attach them to templates without a major policy change. (See WP:UBX.) My only other comment is that there's a typo ("its" not "it's" daughter projects) and there was a missing <noinclude> tag that made the NOTE: appear where it should not. See User:Pegship/My sandbox for a couple of color samples. Cheers, ♥ Her Pegship♥ 20:07, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Not a user box, but a Project box. I've seen them somewhere. I'm figuring mostly on Cat pages (which is where I've seen a few)... ties the projects categories together for the editors via the project category page.

Could you be thinking of the Portal logos?

Your box's look nice, but won't go across the page top 1-2-3 as I was shootng for. We're using templates in categories already as part of interwiki project links, etc. See Category:Middle Ages (All of these in fact), and interlinks between daughters are coming too, see Category: Maps_showing_11th-century_history; note the 'uplink', and 'sister-links' using {{succession}} (or {{succession box}}, IDRE which one.

Interwiki yes; but can you show me an example of use within a wiki? I just want to see the concept in action. Thanks for being patient with me; I am on the verge of (a) leaving on vacation and (b) a nervous breakdown...♥ Her Pegship♥ 21:14, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Also see Category:History of the United States (Play the cool Animated map sequence!) Most Navigation templates on the Wikimedia Commons are inter-category links like these. They're also interlinking images (click on one of the images in that last example. Back to the salt mine // FrankB 20:25, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

re: Interwiki yes; but can you show me an example of use within a wiki?

Category:History of the United States doesn't work for that? Or are you asking specifically about a project template? (I can't really check that right now, I'm browser full with debugging an if statement. And Yeah, I've seen the Portal (in Category:Speculative fiction, iirc))

OTOH, One bit of advice I was given by several admins when 'empty equivilent categories' were speedy deleted was to get a project up for same and tag so they wouldn't vanish... happened to four, I think. (Someone had added db-empty, despite the fact they were displaying commons pics here... showed zero pages on en.wikipedia, as does any cat that contains only cats, for example.) I've 'worked around THAT (so far, and keep fingers crossed!)' by posting a note on WP:AN and prodded the only other guy I know re-catting in both sister's to do a project here... he declined on not wanting the visibility. Shrug. (But one reason when you suggested revitalizing WP:WFs that I was interested. The only other project experience I've got is Military History, and I'd just joined that!) A lot of this is evolving. Go relax on vaction, nothing on wikipedia is worth worrying about... there are far too many fingers in the pie. How long will I be without you to lean on? If I find one other example later, I'll drop a note. OK? // FrankB 21:34, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

1632 and alt. history

Greetings! Sorry I couldn't respond immediately, I am currently busy helping polish the ISFDB before we re-enable submissions and I haven't had almost any time for WP since May :(

Good job on 1632, there is quite a bit of useful data in that article and it shows promise. If you want to stop by the ISFDB and take a look at Eric Flint's bibliography or the very incomplete Assiti Shards biblio and the even more incomplete Grantville Gazette biblio, you are more than welcome! We can always use another victim, er, I mean helpful editor :) Ahasuerus 15:23, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

See your one...

and raise you three!

1. I'll check out the ISFDB soon.
2. We're reactivating the Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Fictional series (aka shortcut: WPP:series)), which will impact you and yours, as it should, so be advised. Mostly I need a braintrust of others that have shared similar issues. The plethora of short fiction in 1632-verse is an awkward fact of life... Have to deal with it since it's canon.
3. I cheat with Eric... We email when I need a specific datum. I'm actually delinquent about a month putting up the completely updated bibliography he sent me on all books, though not the between covers writers in the GG's.
4. But then I took a small wikiBreak, and will be doing so again come month's end. In between there's RL to contend with.
5. I'd really appreciate you nagging all and sundry to sign up for the main three books wikiprojects. WPP:Books, WPP:Novels, and most importantly (LOL), WPP:series. I'll leave you to figure out whether you should sign on to a specific sub-project like Honorverse, 1632 series, or what-not.

Right now I need to finish some stuff over on the commons. See you in a far galaxy soon. // FrankB 18:28, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Category:Internal link templates

I eventually found the offending template, once I did that I added the missing nowiki tags, which seemed to clear out those afd pages. Petros471 20:27, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Good work! Sounds like a rough one. I figured it was something like that... but I have no idea what 'processing' you guys add to lock down and close Afd, Tfd, and Cfd matters.

I just lost about half-a-dozen (call it six hours work) interlinked and related edits, most nearly done. All because of a Thunderstorm causing a momentary power outage... I couldn't back down the chain of edits fast enough. So my day was worse. Nannny-nnannny-boo-hoo! <g> Cheers! Take 430 points for Griffindor or 215 Atta-Boyz as you prefer. I'm sure someone will appreciate it if it 'tis only I! I'd give you a Barnstar but I haven't seen that guideline anywhere as to how to do so! Best regards, // FrankB 21:09, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Nah, not too rough- took a bit of time, but quite fun doing a bit of detective work (I ended up taking one of the page, doing copy into a text editor, search for the cat (no link) then search for "{{" to find transclusions, and took it from there.) Sorry to hear you loosing work- never had storm problems, but my internet connection can get very dodgy at times! Oh and three awards in one evening might make me too big headed, but so you know for future reference see Misplaced Pages:Awards for an overview of the options (including barnstars). Petros471 22:03, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! I Needed that link. I really need to browse more! // FrankB 16:31, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

UT

Hey Frank. I made a small change to {{Ut}} for what I think you were trying to do. --CBD 22:24, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

as per email -- thanks. I figured it was something 'parsing rules oriented' like that. The devil is knowing when to use which technique! Thanks again. // FrankB 19:12, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

AMA Roll Call

There is currently an AMA Roll Call going on. Please visit the page and sign your name to indicate whether or not you're still active. :-) אמר Steve Caruso _(desk/poll) 18:04, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Murphy's law poster

Post on his talk: You added this: Image:Murphys_Law_Poster.jpg a few days back. My concern is that the graphics image is much too small and doesn't expand into readability. Are you taking steps to get a larger image? Also, you cite no source for the image, only that it's popular. I'm not sure that will stand up, though it has the virtue of being on point for the article. The question is whether it comes from a copyrighted source. If so, the link ought to be given at least crediting the originator. Best regards // FrankB 13:37, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

I forgot where it came from exactly (several sites have it) but I think http://artfiles.art.com/images/PRODUCTS/large/10001000/10001840.jpg is correct. As for readability, I was under the impression that it had to be a low-resolution version to be "fair use" poster on Misplaced Pages. Would I need to type out the text (I have the poster as well) to make everything kosher? Thanks. Rompe 00:55, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

The resolution Vs Copyright is 'above my pay grade' (expertise). I'll refer the query to three that may know. The attribution ought to be completed regardless. Just navigate to the image and edit to update that. Cheers to all! // FrankB 16:27, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Sorry about the delay, RL stuff happening all weekend... Anyway yeah fair use images should be low resolution, however they still need to be big enough for our use (otherwise why use it), if it is importnat to read the text it need to be big enough to see the text. However I doubht that image can be said to be fair use in this context at all. Most of the funny one liners have very little to do with Murphy's law, and there are plenty of exampels in the article already. It seems to be there purely for decoration, at least I have a hard time seeing how it meets the "critical commentary" criterea, it doesn't rely help anyone gain more insight into the topic. Beeing funny and vaguely related is not the best rationale for fair use IMHO. --Sherool (talk) 09:25, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

OK - Thanks. I suppose it fills up the article with a graphic as is, but if it's otherwise not fair use because of all the other maxims, it should be deleted or just left as is, I guess. Much appreciate it!

Btw--Do we have anything here that coresponds to a commons image gallery? I haven't seen many images here that are categorized at all as a rule. // FrankB 18:26, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Re Bummed Out!

Hi Frank,

I just lost about six hours of stacked edits in a momentary outage...

Had a diversion to see what Flammerade was up to (M.I.A. 30 daze)...

...Just thought I'd say hi.

Thanks for keeping in touch. Wish I could do more than just commiserate re your lost work... you probably know the "if you think you don't need to save yet, it's time to save" mantra better than I can recall, spilt milk and crying though it may still be. Maybe there's a program that detects if you're editing in an application without an autosave function and then autosaves for you.

I recently concluded an educational email correspondence with a member of staff from the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA) which, in short, has confirmed my suspicion that sorting out some kind of regular structure for subnational divisions across the world (from states through districts to communes, etc.) is... hard. All because I wanted to sort out how to structure the various categories of locator maps on the Commons. There's a guy here on Misplaced Pages, Tobias Conradi, who seems well-versed in it all, so I hope with his help a breakthrough might be made. Otherwise maybe it's best simply to group all "Category:Locator maps for Xs" – where X is any of who knows how many kinds of subnational division – in the one undivided "Category:Locator maps" on the Commons (in the Commons?).

So I've been away from the Commons for a while too, though am disappointed to hear that Flammerande seems to've gone. Perhaps he was able to combat the onset of wiki-addiction, or maybe he burned-out sorting through so many maps...

Suddenly feel thirsty. Best wishes for now, David Kernow 03:17, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: Edit on commons

Yeah, I probably shouldn't have tagged it as a minor edit, a tweak to a major template isn't minor, even if an alteration similar to that one on an article clearly would be. As for how I found the template and my rationale for that change, if you check out my Commons contributions, I'm in the process of updating a ton of tropical cyclone tracks (after WikiProject discusson on that issue). They use Template:W2c to fill out the image summaries, I also altered that template to make it more flexible. That template uses Template:W2c, which is how I found it.

As for why I altered it, I noticed in the summaries on the image pages that the links to Misplaced Pages had a space between the end of the sentence and the full stop. I removed that space from the template to make that formatting issue correct. I should have probably checked things out more carefully before making that change. I notice {{w2c}} has the same issue, look at the last sentence in the previous paragraph… The reason I only changed that one template was that was the only one whose existence I was aware of at that time. Hope that explains what I did.--Nilfanion (talk) 09:30, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

See post (talk) : You may be amused I had to make similar corrections ... ' // FrankB 20:05, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Glad that helped (a little). I suppose now you are going to have a thing against whitespace in templates. No problem!--Nilfanion (talk) 00:23, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Barnstars, categories - input needed

Since its at least partially connected to picture categories and commons, I though you may be interested in Misplaced Pages:Barnstar and award proposals/major overhaul.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 16:13, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I just asked someone yesterday how that worked. So now I get to look at even more gab, oh how truly good! But thanks none-the-less. // FrankB 05:38, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

1632 series

Hello, just to let you know I have deleted all prefaces and other copyrighted stuff you had posted in yellow boxes, and here are the reasons:

• They were copyrighted. Even if you got permission to post it on WP, it does not work. It needs to be licensed under GFDL or other "free" license. That means Flint and publisher should agree that every other person could use the material freely. Obviously it's not a case.
• They are not enecyclopedic. WP does not post directly quotes or excerpts of primary sources. Such things should go un WikiSource, but, again, they are copyrighted and do not belong there.

I hope you see my point, and great work overall! Renata 01:17, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

• Reply on talk:1632 series last night. // 19:14, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Cohesive Merge Talk gone awry

Hi! You seem to have applied the {{mergedisputed}} (Nom'd for Tfd currently, btw) tag on First Civil War and Wars of Religion, but each leads to a different talk.

1. It's not clear which was mergefrom and mergeto either. In any event, these things need to have some initializing prose explaining the purpose of the merge, or in this case the merge dispute, even if it's just administrative 'auto-categorization' on your part and not your pov/editorial judgement.
2. I usually just initialize a section '==Merge Proposal==' and recap what into which, so others have a clue months later. That because I spent the last half hour parsing the history file finding the original very old edit that added them in the first place. One was over 15 months old! Yikes and Grrrrrr!
3. Some of these things linger for well over a year, and we badly need a time limit put inside the templates. Since you're a CS type (I've been out of coding for a long while), CBDunkerson and I kicked that around about a month back, and he says it can be done with the math templates. Perhaps you could do all of us a favor and see if you can get something that works up and debugged.
4. If so, I'll support a change in policy that applies a 'sunset limit' on these ugly in-your-face things. 90 days should be more than enough time to talk about such.

What do you think? // FrankB 06:28, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

These were on the "oldest longest eldest merges" list which I did about 50 to 100. I remember this article, read the discussions. An indication of consensus was not shown in either direction, and the discussion clearly showed both recent continuing comments as well as no consensus:

• http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=French_Wars_of_Religion&oldid=56047557
• http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=First_Civil_War&oldid=42714902

I started at the top of the list (oldest merges) and just clicked my way along. Per that specific article, I haven't the knowledge to be anything but unbiased. :) (ignorance has its merits). For any of the merges that I performed, I looked at both discussions as one, and if any particular user was speaking in both then I considered that as one opinion in the collective conversation. I am pretty sure that leaving the various templates does attract the attention of various groups. Which groups those are, I haven't the foggiest, but I am sure that people that have been here a lot longer that pay attention to such things are tickled into response, perhaps even such as your own.

Per doing any template work, I haven't delved into that much, but it doesn't look to me like it's a very difficult "language" of any sort. I'd be glad to help but am sure there are plenty of people that are more expert on templates; i.e. it looks to me as a new comer to be a rather "neato kewl" thing that various folk consider an artform. :) I've even seen comments from one group of X template-people saying to Y template-people that a more elegant way to do something would be {{example}}.

Please don't misconstrue the above to mean I wouldn't be interested in templates. It's just that you are probably looking for someone with experience in that area. I'd be happy to gain the experience, but to be fair, you should have that info at your disposal for consideration. Thanks. I'll put this section on my watchlist for a reply. (I have picked up a case of stalktrolleritis) Ste4k 06:54, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, I consider it proper editorial descretion when checking those danged things to take them out when nothing has happened for months, so you might say I was working your list from the other direction--the causal stimuli. I do carefully annote each of the talks that such and such to so and so was deleted at this time due to apathy. As far as I know, none of the dozen or so I happened upon has been re-proposed. If so, the talks have a start. It is far more common to find NO ANNOTATION WHATEVER on the talks months after placement. That's part of what gripes me. At least the installing editor should initialize a talk section and annote his/her reasoning. Not common, but should be policy!

I've just gotten to first base myself on templates... so I was trying to pawn off my work on your obvious talent at coding (I'd seen your coded algorithmn on Pascal.Tesson and tried to find the archive where he might have replied to you about it.)

Have to say your unorthadox archiving was a pain to try to navigate... especially with the history record giving no info until very recently. Just a neutral observation. I even use succession boxes to connect mine so it's easy for folks to find a needed reference. These (talks) are after all 'corporate records'.

Thanks for the quick reply... I wouldn't have seen the article save I was trying to see how the template was used since it's on the chopping block on the Tfd (17ths list). Perhaps you need to chime in. You can follow my contribs link... I'm going to bed and it should be recent. Best regards // FrankB 07:13, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

OH THAT ONE! ROFL... I thought you meant this one! About the records, I plan to make them of easier avail after the current problems have been resolved. I really don't see anything forthcoming about that, however, at this time. Ste4k 08:38, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

By the way, before I chime in, and just confirming... does that template put the articles attached into a category that is seen on a regular maintenance basis? Ste4k 09:10, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

please see

please see: Talk:Sculpture_of_Ancient_Greece#Redirect_to_Greek_Statue. Thanks. Ste4k 12:30, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Late Me thimks

• Sorry your note to check 1 was at a 'WikiPlull'... RL still calls. Looks like you got the help you needed. Your note wasn't too specific, but the process seems to have worked.

• • If you are being stalked, then WP:AN/I would be a option. I'm going to be mostly missing the next week, but checking in now and again. Until mid-August really, as have vaction starting the 2nd just after. I'm not sure what if anything I'm actually going to move forward until I get back circa Aug 15th. If I put up proposals, I won't be here to discuss same. Shrug. Things are rarely 'urgent', unless someone is deleting something! ttfn, Keep up the good work! // FrankB 15:15, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Just surfacing

Yes, I'm on vacation, loving the company & hating the weather...and hopping online ever so briefly to check up on things. I'll be back home Friday for extended conversation. I shoulda known I couldn't sneak past you! Where did the cruise go? Chat w you soon...♥ Her Pegship♥ 00:29, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Peg, see above 2nd para! Enjoy hating the vacation weather -- try that unusual and rate activity for parents -- sex early and often! <g> ttfn /// FrankB 15:18, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

TMI, TMI! ♥ Her Pegship♥ 19:11, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Opinions and such

Hi there! My apologies - I have been away for a while, and I haven't had the time to respond to your questions. If there's anything I can help you with at the moment, feel free to come by! --HappyCamper 02:46, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

As you can see from the above, summer needs are demanding my time in real life now too! Thanks. I expect to 'move' on WikiProject only after vacation... anything else is unmanagable before then due to incompatibilities with RL.

{{1632-stub}} up for deletion

The 1632-stub category you created has come up on WP:SFD, and looks very likely to be deleted. The recommended size for splitting off a stub category is 60 articles, yours has only 5. And since the parent category only has 33 articles, your category seems unlikely to reach that number. I thought I'd give you a heads-up, in case you didn't see it on your watchlist. But if you're really taking a wikibreak, it'll probably be deleted before you have a chance to join the debate. --Groggy Dice 23:22, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Sailing Wiki

Hi Fabartus,

My name is johnsee and I'm trying to track down people keen on both sailing and wiki's to help with a new collborative sailing wiki. It's CC licensed, and a community project (mostly of sailing bloggers) and completely non profit. If I could interest you in helping out the wiki is here. If not, I apologise for stealing a few lines of room on your talk page :)

Answer on Johnsee // FrankB 14:45, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi

Hi Frank,
Just to wish you well in your (surely well-deserved and hopefully sanity-restoring) vacation and let you know that I may've now completed more than half of my research into country subdivisions. A few lists and tables have been and are being produced along the way. I think I can see a way of categorizing the Commons' locator maps and the like without having too few or too many categories and without trying some "original research". Now forget everything you've just read and enjoy. Best wishes, David Kernow 04:28, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Yah, ha! Me be running around trying to figure out what to do with a cult on the commons that seems to like reinventing the wheel... w/o bothering to tie into our categories with their templates, or even use whatever everyone else is doing ({{commonscat}})... see my contribs and places they added {{Sisterlinkswp}} (Which has got to be as bad as any 'WikiPxxx' name I came up with! In any event, Dusentrieb much too belatedly finally gave me a reference which led me there very indirectly. I ported all their silly segmented banner sister templates first (See CAT:CAT) first, to give it a fair test. Then realized that was a waste too. SO Don't know what to do. Just fix up the names and use on maps perhaps. At least mine gives some cats with administrative potential; not to mention cross links to main articles.

Problem I've got with their scheme is that the best database set of translation names are here on en.wp, not on the commons... which means if something is to be made to work to really link all the sister's semi-automatically, it'll have to use the db here! They're organizing it around the commons Template:W2c... and haven't bothered to make it a formal project at all, at all!

This one really sticks in my craw... I could have been doing tons of other things, and Brianna's been a real pain on a few category matters! See you around mid-month... I'm running out of days to finish my 'Honey-Do' lists before the trip. Anyway, g'night! // FrankB 07:16, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

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