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Enterprise cleanup

Hi there. I haven' heard anything on my talk page about my proposed Enterprise continuity cleanup and your opinion? thanks. Magic Pickle 15:52, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

I was waiting for your comments! The version I have presented to you is the cleaned up version. Do you want to start the ball rolling with any comments? Thanks. Magic Pickle 11:35, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism

Deleting cited material without discussion is vandalism. One does not have to discuss and reach a consensus before making an addition to an article, particularly when it's well sourced. - 81.178.86.15 04:40, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I was aware of the fact that that article has a history of editors deleting content that they dislike regardless of whether or not it belongs there, yes. - 81.178.86.15 04:53, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

My "running to request help" was due to your vandalism and your behavior in general since you took an interest in this article. Not because of some petty ulterior motive. It would seem from your disputes on various other articles that you have a history of attempting to . If you could try to be more civil during discussion and not dictate to others, perhaps this wouldn't be necessary. - 81.178.86.15 05:02, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Werner Herzog

I had added that ubermensch to the detail describing Herzog. You had deemed it unhelpful. Those familiar with Herzog's work recognize that through his media image, he fulfills Nietzsche's criteria for the ubermensch. He follows his dreams, no matter what, and he has no fear. As to whether or not this is helpful, I feel that it is inspirational, and if that's not helpful, I don't know what is. User:SatanicYakuza 12:34PM PST, 23 July 2006

WP:Point

What are you talking about? Look at the citations, they make absolutely no mention of any connection with furry fandom. - 81.178.86.15 06:06, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Which you only began addressing after your citations were called into question.--Crossmr 06:06, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

3RR?

We're actually equal as far as number of reverts is concerned. - 81.178.86.15 06:12, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Word choices

I would say it's a common mistake here to overuse the word vandalism. The word is used here as a weapon far too often, and using it that way is counterproductive. I think the idea I'm talking about is presented pretty clearly at Misplaced Pages:On assuming good faith. You're right that people throw it around, but that doesn't make it right or helpful. I find that the very first step in dispute resolution is often to get everyone to put down the "v-word", because it makes productive discussion quite impossible. -GTBacchus 06:59, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Regarding Consensus

"But Misplaced Pages's consensus practice does not justify stubborn insistence on an eccentric position combined with refusal to consider other viewpoints in good faith. With respect to good faith, no amount of emphasized assertions that one is editing according to Misplaced Pages:Neutral point of view while engaging in biased editing will serve to paper over the nature of one's activities."

"At times, a group of editors may be able to, through persistence, numbers, and organization, overwhelm well-meaning editors and generate widespread support among the editors of a given article for a version of the article that is inaccurate, libelous, or not neutral, e.g. giving undue weight to a specific point of view. This is not a consensus."

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I found these passages particularly relevant. You seem to consider everyone with a different viewpoint as a troll, and you continually revert edits in a way that makes sure the article is biased in favor of furries. 68.69.194.125 21:56, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Uncivil?

It was quite civil. He's bringing some other flamewar from another VfD into this discussion, and it was clear-cut destructive vandalism. If he has a vote, he should make it. Maybe argue some threads. But 3rd person marking each Delete view as somehow invalid kind of subverts the voting process, doesn't it?--SayWhatYouMeanAndMeanWhatYouSay 23:20, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

In response to: That's no reason to respond with uncivil behaviour. He doesn't control your actions.--Crossmr 23:23, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Are you aware that you are defending a sockpuppet that was created less than an hour ago? --SayWhatYouMeanAndMeanWhatYouSay 23:26, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Sockpuppet or not, which I don't see any sockpuppet tags on, its still not an excuse for uncivil behaviour. There is no excuse for uncivil behaviour.--Crossmr 23:28, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Of course it doesn't have sockpuppet tags on. It's brand new, created for the sole purpose of vandalization. It's somebody breaking the rules. And BTW, I was not being uncivil. It wasn't a threat, it was a very specific promise of how I would follow up with his continued disruption, and I will. You are being uncivil by continuing to harrass me, and also unreasonable in thinking somehow a sockpuppet created for the sole intention of vandalization actually can have its feelings hurt. This is what I would at this point consider the end of the discussion. Anything else would be a sign of uncivility. --SayWhatYouMeanAndMeanWhatYouSay 23:38, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

You are attacking me with warnings and attempting to set me up for behaving in an uncivil manner so you can complain about me, probably to subvert the vote for deletion against the Michael Everson article. You responded to my warning the vandal about his vandalism so quickly, it raises my suspicion that it may be in retaliation for my very quick reversion of the vandalism that occured at the AfD. You are behaving in such a manner that seems to be attempting to troll me by continued action after being warned to leave me alone. I disagree with you plainly that I behaved uncivily. It is not required of me to agree with you. I also consider your warning of me behaving uncivily a personal attack and am removing it.

If you want to find an arbitrator for arguing over nothing, that is directly your next step as per the arbitration guidelines. --SayWhatYouMeanAndMeanWhatYouSay 00:07, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Once again, leave me alone. You are bothering me for the sake of bothering me. You don't even need to reply. Just stop typing and pressing Save on my User:Talk, please. Thank you. --SayWhatYouMeanAndMeanWhatYouSay 00:21, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Rekarb Bob

Believe it or not, he/she is a sockpuppet of Buckner 1986. They have similar editing patterns, and even use similar edit summaries. They also edit articles related to The Price is Right. So, the edit you reverted was not vandalism. CoolKatt number 99999 20:37, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

I am trying to learn, but you and various other users will not let me. CoolKatt number 99999 21:34, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Let's end this

Let's just end this now. I don't want anything to do with you anymore. CoolKatt number 99999 21:52, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah

I've actually got a script. Nite, Alphachimp 07:13, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

reply

you make me laugh...the user in question was actually there when I "vandalized" his page. --Osbus 14:54, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Revert vandalism

I've just seen that you have reverted vandalism on my user page! Thanks a lot :-) Sucrine 15:49, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

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Hello,

An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/CoolKatt_number_99999. Please add evidence to the evidence sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/CoolKatt_number_99999/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/CoolKatt_number_99999/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, --Tony Sidaway 00:50, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Civility, not me, but him and how about you

I saw ur message on my user talk page.

I hope you posted the same message to the other guy too. If you didnt, you are quite wrong and not impartial. Did you even read his message to me on my user page to which I replied on his user page (the reply on my own user talk page is a little different), and for which u messaged me? Please do that and you will learn, I replied to him, point by point, using his very words! How can that be uncivil then???

Keeping with your message, I only replied to him point by point, in his own medicine, nor did I make any personal attacks in the message i left on his user page nor did i make any disruptions on any wiki articles. Thats just wrong on ur part.

Further his comments werent against me, they were against good sense! His attempted criticism was totally wrong and unjustified. He just wanted to have his vain last word in. When his "superior" final views failed, I guess he must have complained to you. Further, I think that guy is obsessed in seeing his name on the top of the history page of the article in question. Seriously, does he think people care? What a pathetic loser! lol.

If you read my user page, you will notice an admin(i guess) Sue-Anne really appreciated my same, if i say so myself, pretty good edits to which this vain Vesther guy had obvious problems with "without any basis", obviously because someone other than him had made them. Even after my final crisp edits to the article, after which I never even read it, this guy kept trying hard to somehow "condense" it even more as he kept informing me in his messages! I guess more than 1 letter is too big for him!! And somehow funnily this guy keeps repeating about the leadership issue as the the reason for the firing, when I myself had mentioned it earlier as the primary reason for firing. So whats he saying and to whom? Is this guy dense or what? Thats just too stupid & funny. His density, lol, is most amazing!!! If that guy cant stand people editing articles in a good manner (in a manner for which people actually complimented me), what is this guy doing on wiki? Does he own the articles? lol. Assuming good intention is one thing but how can one not respond to the stupid things he keeps posting on my user page???!!! And when his stupid attempted criticisms are given back to him in his own medicine, he suddenly starts crying?? I pity the poor guy.

Further I see he wrote on the message board that he appreciates my inputs in certain areas of the WEBSITE. Now, the small section of the article in question, which I had contributed to, itself is only a few lines. He has to decide whether he is appreciative of my lines in that section or not, he never let me know his appreciation! lol. And he further keeps trying to condense those few lines. Just Look how many times he is trying to obsessively change those "very few lines" and the very small section now. And all these months he was sleeping before I contributed my inputs into that section? Amazing!! That guys got serious issues. MAN. LOL.

I know, you may find this a little strong right now, but really you too would have been exasperated by this guys "denseness" by now. LOL. This guy just wouldnt listen to good sense. Theres no point in arguing with such a fool.

Anyway, I expect you to post the Civility message you posted on my page, on his page, unless you are unfair.

I am tempted to write a message to him saying "Hey, stupid, how can people accept your stupid dumb utterly wrong criticisms and how can people not respond to ur dumb comments when u leave them on other's user pages!"

But, now, THAT would be uncivil, so I wont!!!

Anyway, this is all quite silly and irrelevant and a waste of time (this message itself is too lengthy!!). I expect NOT to hear from u about this further on my user page though I will check if u posted a message to him, to confirm your impartiality either which way.

Also, I hope you remove your civility message from my user page, because i dont think its correct or impartial.

Also because I use my account now instead of the IP.

Bye bye.

Anyway this is all quite extraneous and silly. Lets get on with the real purpose of bettering wiki articles and of course being civil on the way!!

lol.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.91.203.71 (talk • contribs) 01:07, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Whats going on? RE:blocking of user:219.91.203.71

Hello crossmr, I was talking to you about ur civility message, u even replied to me nicely without any problems. Where did this guy Royboycrashfan suddenly come from? And why did he block me suddenly in the midst of our conversation? Whats going on?

Please unblock me immediately, that is user:219.91.203.71.

This is really an abuse of power by Royboycrashfan.

And you should talk to him about his mistake of blocking me.

We were talking , how could this guy come in??

And you never even warned me about being blocked, we were just talking!!!!!!!

As for those Tralala words, if you read up, ]] is ACTUALLY the one WHO USED THEM!!!! I was merely replying using HIS VERY SAME WORDS!!! So, isnt he the one who was being uncivil and I was merely REPLYING. And instead of warning him, u warned me and Roy AA blocked me?

I think admins like Royboycrashfan should be banned immediately for abusing their powers!!!

Really, if admins like Royboycrashfan continue their spree, wiki will indeed do down the drain.

Unblock me immediately!!!

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.220.153.143 (talk • contribs) 02:59, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Block of 219.91.203.71

Especially for a newbie, I do think that the block came way too quick -- especially from someone who wasn't involved in the discussion. If you read the message that I just left on 219.91.203.71's user talk page, I told him that I felt the message he left on your user page crossed the line.

That said, I do feel that you calling him uncivil while seemingly not understanding the long-standing issues with Vesther on the Apprentice pages and that Vesther was clearly the more uncivil person. Most people, including me, have given up editing pages because I don't feel like getting in a contact battle with Vesther over every edit. Sue Anne 03:22, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: Civility

Generally, I'm more of a diplomat and/or a politician than anything else, I tried to criticise using the least possible cliches I can, I try not to offend anyone, and I attempt to talk more with a professional tone, whilst trying to defend my reputation. I don't like to instigate flames, edit wars (one time I've got into an edit war with Madchester), and sometimes there are people that people don't like, so I have to keep my eye on it. Now sometimes I could lose my mind and type down a couple of cliches like "tralala", but I always try to criticize people in a civil and professional manner, though like I said, I might lose my mind at times that I tend to use colloquial and/or cliche words. I usually try not to start a discussion and I always try to keep a low profile, but there are some people who are going to go way over the line and I try to resolve things through a professional manner. Now I could chit-chat and debate, over and over again until someone gets my point (like the message that you've instigated on my talk box), but it's kind of useless to me in your case. — Vesther (U * T/R * CTD) 03:53, 26 July 2006 (UTC)