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La Salle University

Guys, chill...I'm working on them now...I agree with you 100% Lasallefan 20:29, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Addison3

No, you're right. I agree to deleting it. Guidelines were helpful. I had a different idea of what wikipedia was I suppose.

Addison2

I put up another one, but you can delete it if you like, I don't know how. I'm sure you trump me somehow is the wikiworld. There are a lot of dumb concepts and ideas that only exist in fairly isolated communities (like wiki people) that get a placeholder, but when something outside of that world wants one it's all hell. That erks me is all. And I think justifiably.

Addison

You deleted my Addison (band) article because you thought they were not 'notable', but I love the way you guys think any idea or phrase you conjure up in your little head and don't do any work for can be wikipedia article, take angry mastodon crap. Seriously. Addison is a gigging, recording, working band, and if they don't deserve a wiki placeholder then I should comb through half of your dumb ideas and rip them down too, dude.

I haven't looked

To be honest I haven't looked, you were the one that bought it up ;) And yes I was being facetious, which isn't very nice, but I'm kind of frustrated and I guess we all get that way sometimes. Also, I generally disprove of scare quotes. I'll strike that part out. - FrancisTyers 16:13, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Oh, don't worry. I'm not offended and I hoped/assumed it was rhetoric. Let it stand for all I care, I just wanted to make sure there wasn't a real issue there. I've been accused of it before, generally by trolls and problem editors, though. Which, sometimes, can just be an indication that you're doing the right thing. Friday (talk) 16:16, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

This was caught in the conflict: I just re-read and I see you said "editors" not "other editors", to get it straight I believe you have contributed to harassing DCV — although I think perhaps unintentionally and certainly not the worse offender. btw, I read User:Friday/XW, and I think you are completely right, although I see quite a chasm between what you write there and how you are acting currently. I suggest taking a closer look at all the actors in this little scenario. In response to your second post:

To be unpopular with both sides at the same time is probably the best pointer to the fact that one is performing one's duties correctly and with impartiality.

One of the quotes that makes me smile in situations like this :) - FrancisTyers 16:20, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks again for the feedback. I don't think expecting someone to abide by the community's expectations of behavior can ever be harassment, but hey, my own involvement here may be coloring my perceptions. Perhaps it's time for me to step away from this situation again- I've done it before. I thought I was treating her with kid gloves with the gentle suggestion of a WP:POINT violation instead of blocking for it, but maybe that was out of line. Friday (talk) 16:26, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Admin coaching

Friday, can you look at User:Fetofs/coaching and tell me what do you think? Fetofs 23:54, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I answered the question about policy. Fetofs 01:53, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

I answered the other one. Fetofs 15:53, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

I participate sometimes at WP:DRV, see for example WP:DRV#Dis-Connection. Thanks for the nice answers! Fetofs 17:20, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Terryeo blocked

Just wanted to say that in my view the block of Terryeo is absolutely appropriate. Thank you for stepping in so quickly. BTfromLA 02:22, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Yep, I removed several secondary sources within several articles which pointed to Xenu.net. Now the arbitration committee is ruling on the matter, particularly of Xenu.net being used as a secondary source. My reasoning has to do with personal websites, as you know. It has enormously agitated several Scientology editors, not least of which, BTfromLA. WP:RS had 27 edits in 48 hours from Fahrenheit451 over it (I did not edit that guideline), and several other editors have likewise gone to extremes in an attempt to produce that Xenu.net is a citeable secondary source and not a personal website. So, BTfromLA, and you, have some basis of arguement whether the arbitration committee finds for or against Xenu.net being a citeable, secondary source of information or whether they rule that Xenu.net is a personal website and as such, per WP:RS is not permissable as a secondary source of information. I appreciate that both of you become upset that the website might not be quite as find and shining a site as the editors whom, in good faith, and not advocating any point of view, use that website as a secondary source freely, often, throughly and base whole articles therupon. Terryeo 00:06, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

diff for "god's green"

Justforasecond 19:48, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Terryeo selectively editing posts

I've just discovered Terryeo selectively editing a post to him from on his user talk page. While my post to him was not, I admit, perfectly CIVIL (I have not yet found the secret to keeping perfectly calm while someone pretends I'm simple-minded and completely gullible) what he edited out was not merely my rhetorical excesses but my explanation to him of why he could not treat a source that was also available on a "personal website" as if that was the only place it was available. You might want to check and see if he has similarly edited any of your own posts to him. -- Antaeus Feldspar 20:55, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Old Skool Esperanzial note

Since this isn't the result of an AC meeting, I have decided to go Old Skool. This note is to remind you that the elections are taking place now and will end at 23:50 UTC on 2006-04-29. Please vote here. Thanks. --Celestianpower 20:42, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar Awarded, from the Barnstar Brigade

isn't it uncivil?

isn't opinions are like a**holes, everyone has one uncivil??

Justforasecond 19:19, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps very mildly so. Using a somewhat vulgar word isn't the same as calling someone a name. I really don't see that it's a cause for concern. Friday (talk) 19:26, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

threat to block me

See User talk:Zoe#Why?. User:Zoe| 23:35, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

hello friend

as much as i appreciate personal vendettas against my contributions, i would encourage you to think about some things: 1. redirecting Houston Hall to University of Pennsylvania. Houston Hall is a notbale building on Penn's campus, and is home to the oldest student union in America. There is a STRONG precendent to giving college campus buildings there own articles, if there is enough information about them- i would point you to Hetzel Union Building, Eustace-Cole Hall, Nassau Hall, Formal Hall, and multiple others. Seeing as how other users made edits to the Houston Hall page, perhaps instead of deleting their work, you should have added to it by doing some research. 2. the removal of Nuke and Pave. Did you even do a google search before putting this article up for deletion? Do one right now. This is a term frequently used in the computing industry, even if it is slang. It is irresponsible to delete articles simply because you're not familiar with the industry. If you'd like to contest the first individual to come up with the term, that's fine, do so on the Article page. 3. April 30th Day is a holiday that was created in Medford, and still enjoys celebration, especially by high school students at Lenape High School. I will get an article or two from a local paper there. However, if ever single article needs to have such strict documentation, you have a lot of deletion taggin to do.

I see google results for Nuke and Pave, yes. Info in Misplaced Pages gets mirrored quite easily. It's possible this is a legit term tho, but your own claim of having popularized the term made me suspicious. As for April 30th day, please see Misplaced Pages is not for things made up in school one day. I still think the notability and verifiability pages would be good reading for you. Not everyone believes in notability, but everyone is obliged to observe the verifiability policy- it's one of the key things that makes Misplaced Pages an encyclopedia instead of a group blog or graffiti wall. Friday (talk) 21:44, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Adminship

I ought, at the outset, to thank you very kindly for your having thought of me as a prospective admin; you're an admin after whom I expect I'd pattern myself were I an admin (especially in view of your user page note that admins are not a privileged class whose actions are beyond reproach or disagreement), so your comments were especially meaningful. I have considered adminship, inasmuch as there are certain areas in which I think I could, with the mop and bucket, aid the project. Right now, though, I doubt that an RfA for me would be succesful, largely in view of three factors: (1) my edit count is a bit low, around 3400 (with nearly 5% to my user page, mostly from when first I joined); (2) until recently, my user page was adorned with more than 200 userboxes (even as I've explained in detail my reasons for removing them and the evolution of my beliefs relative to userboxes, some would surely think that conversion to have been made too recently); (3) I am not particularly obsessed with becoming an admin and can't rightfully say that I'd spend time on admin chores on the average day (many believe that one who isn't likely to need admin tools for very much oughtn't to have them, if only because it's difficult to desysop ; I'm generally of the opposite persuasion: I'm a bit concerned about those overly eager to begin blocking users and exercising power, but I don't think my position commands much support). I could, I suppose, feign greater interest to address (3), but I'm disinclined to be deceitful, even when ostensibly for the ultimate good of the project, and, in any case, I've expressed my views with adminship in many places here. Perhaps in a month or two, when I've finished many of the substantial rewrites on which I'm now working, and when I'm likely to have more edits to my name, I might be a better candidate and might then consider an RfA, on which I'd love your support. In the meanwhile, I'll keep doing what I'm doing. Thanks once more for your kind words; apologies for the length of this message. Joe 05:24, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

No worries about length- I'm glad to see a thoughtful and thorough reply. And honestly, your reponse only reinforces my belief that the project would benefit from you having the admin tools. I'd be surprised if anyone thought 3000+ edits was low, but you never know. And, of course, you must use your own best judgment on if and when you wish to be nominated. I'll gladly support a nomination, or nominate you myself, at any time you want. Happy editing. Friday (talk) 16:16, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Esperanza Newsletter, Issue #3

Re: Unprotecting

We block people and protect pages to prevent damage. He can't do real damage to the project by editing his talk page, and that's why he's by default allowed to edit it. It shouldn't be protected unless there is an urgent reason and I don't see an urgent reason here.

Also, the people he's been in conflict with have handled it badly, by removing his comments from talk pages, rolling back his contributions which were not clear vandalism, communicating exclusively through pre-prepared messages, etc. Some more information on what's going on can be only useful. Zocky | picture popups 21:11, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

I thought the reason was obvious- he continued to remove warnings and call other editors names, on his talk page. But, I suspect it's all academic now- he's been indefinitely banned as a sock. But, FWIW, his behavior after the unprotection only reinforces by belief that protection was the right thing to do. Friday (talk) 21:14, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

a Chipmunk and a Lizard

Why delete this article? It may be a stub right now, but that doesn't mean it won't develope.

As I explained in the prod that you removed without comment, there are no sources for this article, and no indicaton of significance. If you're going to remove a prod, please, do something to address to reasons for it. You may also want to check out the WP:WEB guidelines for inclusion of websites. Friday (talk) 15:55, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Mccready

He has a long history of stalking this editor to various articles and making "innocuous" (and other) edits - see Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_comment/Mccready#Other_users_who_endorse_this_summary. He has been warned to stop doing this, but hasn't taken the warnings seriously. Jayjg 14:43, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

I've raised the issue at Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Blocked_User:Mccready_for_Wikistalking; please feel free to express your position on this there. Thanks. Jayjg 16:28, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

I saw, thanks. I can't even say he doesn't deserve a block, I just wish it were better justified. I hate to see people get the idea they'll be blocked just for annoying the wrong people. Friday (talk) 16:29, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

The issue here isn't the quality of the edit, or simply "annoying" people. If he had simply annoyed the hell out of her on articles in which they held a common interest, that would be one thing, but he persists in harassing her, and when she doesn't respond, following her around to other articles she is editing so she cannot fail to notice him. No Wikistalking is a policy for a reason. Jayjg 16:31, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Your view is that I'm being heavyhanded; just about every other admin who has commented publicly (and many others who have commented privately) feel that I've acted appropriately. Please do not threaten to undo my blocks; wheel-warring is looked on with extreme disfavor, and, in the past, has resulted in sanctions by the Arbtration Committee. Moreover, there are many other admins lined up behind me to re-block him should he unfortunately continue to wikistalk, and should you even more unfortunately decide to wheel-war over a block for doing so. Finally, I'm going to have to (again) insist that you refrain from dishonest arguments; no more going on about "good edits", since the issue is wikistalking, not edit quality. There are 1.1 million articles he can make "good edits" to; he can stick to those. Jayjg 17:17, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

There are 1,129,530 articles he can make "decent edits" to without any concerns about block. Failure to acknowledge that the issue isn't the quality of his edits, but the fact that he will not stop following SlimVirgin to the paltry few articles she has just edited, is simply dishonest. Similarly, any comment which in any way states or implies Mccready has in any way been banned, or which refers in any way to the quality of his edits, is ipso facto dishonest, since the former is factually false, and the latter is not, and has never been, the issue. Until you confine your arguments to the actual issue, rather than strawmen and red herrings, I'm afraid I'm going to have to label them for what they are. Jayjg 18:07, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Friday, you're allowing yourself to be manipulated. Please e-mail me if you have further concerns. This is starting to look inappropriate. SlimVirgin 18:46, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't think you're crazy, Friday. Jayjg 18:50, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Is it alright if I still think you are? ;-) Friday (talk) 19:06, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Reminder + Suggestion

Important: This talk page is becoming very long. Please consider archiving.

— Ian Manka Talk to me‼ 03:19, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Just a note

Hey Friday, I just wanted to leave you a quick note to say that I very much respect you even though we disagreed. And I respect your personal position vis a vis this wikistalking charge even though I have a different opinion; just wanted to make sure you didn't feel ganged up on. Happy Friday =) · Katefan0 /poll 14:46, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Nope, I don't, and thanks for the note. I figured I'd be in the minority on this one. There's absolutely no disagreement this editor has been a problem. I was against the latest block because it looked like that day he was behaving himself, and he'd already been blocked after much of his earlier bad behavior. It's possible there was never any hope for reformation, but I hate to see us using blocks for punishment instead of for damage control. Anyway, it seemed to me like people didn't object to the block, mainly due to past ill behavior on his part, and that's just fine. I just hope people don't honestly believe that the edit in question was anything remotely like wikistalking. Even when there are problem editors out there, we still do not have article ownership here. Anyway, it's possible I'm trying to give a troll the benefit of the doubt out of sheer foolishness. But, it's also possible this user actually wants to contribute usefully. If he demonstrates otherwise, it's time for a community ban IMO. If he doesn't demonstrate otherwise, I sure hope nobody blocks him again. Friday (talk) 14:57, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, I'm not here to debate this more with you; I've made my opinion amply clear. I just wanted to leave you a quick, friendly note. I'm sure we'll all be watching this user going forward. · Katefan0 /poll 15:17, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Reply from Gomi

Thank you. I am surprised and pleased at having recevied such prompt help. I just located that "helpme" template a few minutes ago! (I'll try not to overuse it). In any case, this experience has been very stressful, but I'm so happy to now find some nice people on Misplaced Pages. -- Gomi-no-sensei 20:18, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

heyy

Hey man I was just wondering how you find and delete pages so quickly. It seems like wikipedia has a billion people patrolling it 24/7. Anyways I'm sorry for demanding before... It's just that Coleman's an influencial man and all... Well one day he'll be up here I guess. --Matt1116 21:49, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks friday

Thanks for your comments on my page.

You seem very patient and even-handed.

Can I give you an analogy? You may think it has no place here, and you may not connect what I am trying to say, with my actions, but I hope you may. In my experience, I find that people are uncomfortable and resist a bigger picture.

Through out the history of America there has been a small minority (sometimes a powerless majority) of people who do not believe what the majority (or those in power) believe. These views have been persecuted mercilessly. In the early 19th century it was those who did not believe in the genocide of Native Americans or slavery. In the late 19th century it was those who did not believe in manifest destiny. In the late and 20th century it was Anti-imperialists. In the early to mid 20th century it was those who did not believe America should fight in WWI and WW2. Throughout America history it was labor organizers and communists.

Throughout history these groups have been persecuted mercilessly. They have been spied on, deported, sent to jail, and even killed for their beliefs. I am no revolutionary, but my views are usually always in the minority. When you are surrounded by a society who dispise your most cherished ideas, you begin to feel marginalized. This marginalization ironically makes you more marginalized because you become more radical. In the historical examples above, these people and organizations begin to become paranoid and more radical as the pressure to conform becomes more great. I have read a little sociology about this.

My views on America are dispised by the vast majority of Americans. (It is ironic that a country which prides itself in being so individualistic is in reality so conformist) I am continually marginalized. To avoid being margianalized in my real life, to losing a promotion, losing friends, not getting a job, I vent here, on wikipedia. It is harmless banter which has little or no repercutions in my real life. But even here on wikipedia my views are attacked ruthlessly. These attacks make me feel even more under seige, and even more margianized. As a result, I become even more radical, and even more margianalized. It is a vicious circle, repeated in every country and every society through out history.

How does this relate to my current attitude? My views on copyright are as dispised as my views on America. The vast majority of Americans have been taught that a 70 year plus copyright is a good thing, which protects consumers. I disagree strongly. But as much as I try to reason with the "Braying herd" (to use a quote coined by Walter Lippman in Public Opinion) there is truly no way to reason with such people, because underneath all of the rationalization is an ideology, once that ideology shows its ugly head, I know that I have lost all chances to use reason. As I told User_talk:Rjensen here , an on again off again ally:

This is really not about copyright, it is much more than that. The majority of people on Misplaced Pages will side with the arbitrators, whether or not it is legal or not. I have stated appelate court cases and they are ignored, repeatedly. I have argued every side of this issue, and I am ignored. You would think since I am a law student, non-law students would listen. I think if I became a intellectual property lawyer people would still not listen.

I destroyed the reverter's weak arguments, and revealed his imagined Misplaced Pages policy on Vandalism, one by one, and it made no difference. Ultimatly it came down to "I am arbitor so I said so" and "the decision has already been made."

I have found that the most zealous copyright police are usually conservatives who are law and order types who like the authority. The majority of wikipedians are Americans. America is a very conservative country, and people gravitate toward the law and order types. The majority of wikipedians will support the copyright police.

Anyway, Ed deleted the unencyclopia picture from my user page, citing copyright. I quickly found out that he was citing some of the pages that TSBY had a part in creating. I had been in a huge fight with TSBY about copyright. Come to find out TSBY completly abused his authority, which caused a minor furor on wikipedia. But despite the abuse of authority, the email from Time magazine, and his complete lack of copyright understanding, his changes stood. So when ed came to my wikipage, and deleted that image, I was pissed, but I reverted his intrusions, and hoped that this would be the end of it. As expected and dreaded, it was not. Ed continued to delete the image. Well, come to find out, but not surprising, Ed never asked the author permmission for us to use the image, he just began deleting thousands of images, just as TSBY had. He started the revert war. He deleted an image which the creator later gave everyone permission to use. The consequences of my reaction? I got booted.

Not two days earlier, an agressive admin began deleting my changes on NSA call database in the middle of editing. I had already fought on the talk page to keep my edits on the page. I fight to keep all of my exhastivly sourced edits on every talk page. I have been through several votes for deletion, too many revert wars to count, and been attacked millions of times by "patriotic" anons. Everyone of my contributions I have to fight for tooth and nail for, so I think you can understand why I have a siege mentality.

I am just glad that these are virtual attacks, and not real attacks which I would get if I voiced my views in real life.

I stopped the revert war, and reported this admin to 3RR, and he was dismissed by a fellow admin.

So I get booted and an admin gets off. Hypocricy? I wanted everyone to decide.

I know that my behavior here is often unproductive. I know that I am often self destructive, and I sabatoge my own best intrest. But better here on wikipedia, were the consequences are minimal, then in the real world, were the consequences are much more harsh and unforgiving.

Thanks for listening.

Signed:Travb 16:45, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

I happen to agree with a lot of what you're saying, but that doesn't matter. A forum is a good place to talk about your opinions, but this is an encyclopedia. Also- our treatment of copyright issues may well be very conservative, but I don't think that's going to change. The Wikimedia Foundation has lawyers that give advice on these issues to folks at the highest levels. This crackdown on fair use images is fairly recent, imposed from the top, in response to the belief that copyright infringements pose a serious threat to Misplaced Pages. Friday (talk) 17:03, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Friday. Have a great weekend.Travb 18:01, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Harmonious editing

I see that you've actually taken to removing my username from the Harmonious Editing Club, and have done so twice, on the second occasion going so far as to claim that I am "not a harmonious editor." This is an extraordinarily hostile way to act. Please stop. It is absolutely appalling to see some who himself professes to subscribe to the tenets blatantly breaking them in this way. --Tony Sidaway 19:06, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, I'm certainly not going to edit war over it, but I find it fairly astounding that you still consider yourself a harmonious editor. I'd rather see you change your behavior before listing your name there again, but I have no more ownership over the club than any other editor, so I suppose I can't do much about it. Friday (talk) 19:16, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm not perfect, but I subscribe strongly to the principles of harmonious editing. Nearly all of my (rather rare) reverts are accompanied by a full explanation, and have done more than my fair share to defuse conflict. You seem to have some strong personal opinions about me that extend to accusing me of habitually launching personal attacks. That's your entitlement, but your action here, conducted twice over a period of months, and (I now realise) deliberately, was needlessly provocative. I would like to see you reconsider whether your own behavior is at all compatible with the club. --Tony Sidaway 19:55, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

I will do that. FWIW, I don't think you habitually launch personal attacks, but I do think you're needlessly rude sometimes, and you respond poorly when this is pointed out to you. The rudeness, combined with a tendency toward wheel warring, is what lead me to the (apparently mistaken) belief that you were no longer interested in harmonious editing. Friday (talk) 20:08, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

RfA

My apologies once more for my failure to respond sooner; I surely didn't ignore your message but was occupied with several WP tasks and hadn't the time to reply. I certainly would like to have a chance at RfA; there are several admin tasks with which I think I could help and to the performance of which I am, IMHO, relatively well-suited. I am not confident that an RfA for me would be successful, in view of the potential objections I noted previously, but I am willing to try; after all, I meet my own admin standards (which are relatively low; where a user doesn't display a mercurial disposition and so isn't likely to abuse admin tools, I categorically support--the more properly, if rarely, used mops and buckets the better), and I think I'd be a good mop-and-bucketeer. I've several WP tasks pending, and I'd like to finish them before going to RfA, inasmuch as one often needs to answer questions with some celerity there. I'd be comfortable, then, with requesting adminship in about a week; you don't know me well, and so, even as I'd be honored to be nominated, I certainly don't expect you to nom, and I've no problem with a self-nom. I'll drop you a note at the end of next week, at which time I should be ready. In the meanwhile, continue the sensible, level-headed, and fair editing and admining... :) Joe 19:03, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

LCI IP

The IP address is 199.216.220.2 or go to Lethbridge Collegiate Institute IP THANKS ALOT Max.pwnage 20:18, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Policy patrol

I hereby do state and declare, by the official authority vested in me that you are fully approvovised, permittedized, certified, certifiable, and otherwise declariazable to be allowed to patrol policy pages (if you hadn't been doing so already :-) ) .

Kim Bruning 10:46, 23 May 2006 (UTC) (1) For the irony impaired: I have no actual official authority whatsoever. Duh ;-)

Doh! I knew there was something I was forgetting about! Do you get a funny hat to go with that authority? Friday (talk) 14:03, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

I wonder if User:JRM would issue us one? Kim Bruning 14:05, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Adam Carr

While I understand your frustration with Adam's editing habits at Cuban legislative election, 2003, (I hope) it would be helpful to avoid using the word 'troll' – even in the context of explicitly not calling him one – in describing his actions. We're trying to get him to discuss things, and anything that might make him feel personally attacked isn't going to help to achieve that.

I've warned him that further reverting of the table isn't a helpful or acceptable practice. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 15:13, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, maybe you're right. I thought that was the gentlest possible way to use that word, but maybe better yet still would be avoiding it altogether. I wonder if there's a useful way to fix my comments. Maybe I'll try to clarify. Friday (talk) 15:17, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I appreciate the effort. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 16:37, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Status update

My talk edits have raised to 40 (while I don't mean to offend Dakota, my opinion that adding "Stub added" to a talkpage is not really worth it hasn't changed since then) and my mediation case has been successfully solved. How do you think I stand now (The bigger concern, for me, are the (main) edits, do you agree)? Fetofs 01:56, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi Friday! In case you didn't notice, this link has turned blue! I'm not sue if you voting there is a good idea, but it could be useful to watch it. fetofs 18:16, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

The whole stupid signature debate

Thanks for saying some things that actually make sense and that point out a problem in the community at Misplaced Pages talk:Requests for comment/Tony Sidaway 3. I've often wondered if Tony Sidaway is trying to become the most feared admin/clerk/editor on Misplaced Pages through things like this. Even if he doesn't often block people for disruption, there's always that threat hanging over people's heads, and it seems like Tony is far more likely to carry it out than others. Sigh. --Elkman 16:23, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for thinking I made sense- sometimes I wonder myself. I honestly don't know what to think, but I'm forced to the conclusion that Tony is sometimes being intentionally disruptive. To what end, I cannot say. Sadly, there are those who think good intentions excuse any transgressions. I cannot agree with this- a bull in a china shop may well have good intentions, but this hardly matters. Friday (talk) 16:28, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Smile!

Goldom (t) (Review) has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Smile to others by adding {{subst:smile}}, {{subst:smile2}} or {{subst:smile3}} to their talk page with a friendly message. Happy editing!

Here is a smile for you! I hope you don't get too disillusioned and leave, your fairness is commendable. -Goldom (t) (Review) 15:35, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I appreciate that. I'm not leaving, just been less active lately. Friday (talk) 16:37, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

A short Esperanzial update

As you may have gathered, discussions have been raging for about a week on the Esperanza talk page as to the future direction of Esperanza. Some of these are still ongoing and warrant more input (such as the idea to scrap the members list altogether). However, some decisions have been made and the charter has hence been amended. See what happened. Basically, the whole leadership has had a reshuffle, so please review the new, improved charter.

As a result, we are electing 4 people this month. They will replace JoanneB and Pschemp and form a new tranche A, serving until December. Elections will begin on 2006-07-02 and last until 2006-07-09. If you wish to run for a Council position, add your name to the list before 2006-07-02. For more details, see Misplaced Pages:Esperanza/June 2006 elections.

Thanks and kind, Esperanzial regards, —Celestianpower 16:00, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Freeshell.se

I must be getting too kind in my old age, you deleted it while I was tagging it with {{Prod}} --GraemeL 16:28, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Whoops! If you'd rather prod, feel free to undelete it- or let me know and I'll undelete so it doesn't look like a "wheel war". Friday (talk) 16:35, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Nah, no problem. It wasn't notable and had no content. If he'd removed the prod I would have had to AfD it and it wouldn't stand a snowballs chance there. I was commenting on my being too lenient more than anything. --GraemeL 16:40, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Hey, been a while

We're currently having some trouble with a disruptive editor at Wales, regarding whether or not Wales is popularly known as a musical country. I see you're on Wikibreak ... if you have the time, could you look over the discussion and let me know what you think? I respect your judgement. Vashti 12:08, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

I weighed in on the talk page. I've been less active lately but still logging in sometimes. To me it sure looks painfully obvious that Wales is frequently called the "land of song". Friday (talk) 17:25, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

I cited the Encyclopaedia Britannica to that effect, but it wasn't good enough for the user in question. However, he's just been suspended for a month, and another editor has improved the sentence under dispute. It's almost like being back on Otherkin again. Thanks very much for commenting. :) Vashti 01:34, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome. Glad to see you're still editing. This one sure looked like an intentionally dense editor. I wasn't previously familiar with that term but the second I googled it, pages and pages of Wales-related stuff came back. Guess some people can't use a simple search engine.. :) Friday (talk) 15:09, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Please review an deletion made contrary to consensus

Please review the deletion of Names of European cities in different languages, and the related articles Names of Asian cities in different languages and Names of African cities in different languages. These were discussed at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Names of European cities in different languages, Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Names of Asian cities in different languages, and Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Names of African cities in different languages.

The vote was: Keep: Future Perfect at Sunrise Interlingua Trialsanderrors Atillios Carlossuarez46 (me) Kierant Adam78 Khoikhoi Goldom Pasquale Eivind F Øyangen Fastifex Aguerriero Slowmover Lambiam Irpen Olessi Travelbird Nightstallion Agathoclea Folks at 137 Lethe Qviri Riadlem Peteris Cedrins Reimelt Nick C

Delete: Motor Theoldanarchist Mangojuice Dawson Isotope23 WicketheWok Centrx Angus McLellan Masterhatch Tychocat

That is: 27-10 to keep. While I know that it’s not a strict vote-counting exercise, the usual rule of thumb is not to delete unless there is a strong consensus expressed to do so – i.e., give the benefit of the doubt toward keeping. Here, process was thwarted.

The administrator closing the AfD acted contrary to the consensus expressed at the AfD by making his/her own judgment that the content was not encyclopedic. The whole issue of alternate placenames is very much encyclopedic and has been the subject on ongoing debate among Wikipedians, for example at: Misplaced Pages talk:Naming conventions (geographic names) and the various disputes about whether to use “Danzig” or “Gdansk” for that city near the Baltic, etc.. Also, similar articles remain extant in several other Interwiki’s (since the article is deleted, the interwiki links are gone too, otherwise I could cite which), so they appear encyclopedic to people who speak other languages. Please restore the articles. Carlossuarez46 18:49, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Ultimatethombus

Can you get the redirect page Big T as well? Thanks. -- Coneslayer 21:47, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

No problem, thanks for noticing it! Friday (talk) 21:48, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

A new userbox you might like

Hi Friday,

I couldn't resist making the following userbox after reading the attached link. After being insulted on numerous occasions by trolls I decided to fight back the best way I know how -- with a witty userbox! Feel free to remove this from your talk page if you don't appreciate the humour. = )

Cheers,

 Netsnipe    05:58, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, it was deleted as being "inherently divisive". Looking at the content, I don't personally see that. I wish these crusaders against "unencyclopedic" content would focus on article space instead of playing silly games elsewhere. Oh well. Friday (talk) 15:06, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your supportive comments. I've filed for a deletion review using the arguments listed at User_talk:Netsnipe/User_Bureaucratic_Fuck. Cheers,  Netsnipe    16:59, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

User 68.231.54.18

You noted at User_talk:68.231.54.18 on June 2nd: "This is your last warning. If you in bad faith add a db tag to that article again, you will be blocked." You'll notice that he added db to the page, as well as to its talk page, again today. --Raga 09:54, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

It wasn't actually me that left that particular warning, but thanks. I left him another note with the usual "resistance is futile" kind of stuff. Friday (talk) 15:07, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Unique Hardware Article

How does it look now? http://en.wikipedia.org/User:Dalponis Dalponis 15:44, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

I have nominated List of shopping malls in North Carolina for deletion

It seems appropriate that I let you know about Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of shopping malls in North Carolina since you are a major contributor to that list. I saw some signs that there might have been a previous AfD but could not find it. If you know of it, please feel free to so comment and I'll revise my nomination to reflect that info. Thanks. ++Lar: t/c 15:41, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Reply from Hekano

Thanks for adding my stuff to my user page, I appreciate it!

--Redweltall 18:20, 17 July 2006 (UTC)==Name of user for warning==

Hi. You just speedied this article after I tagged it with db-attack. I always warn users for vandalism--especially for an attack. However, my circuit breaker just blew (A.C. on same outlet—it's over 100 degrees today in New York)) so I lost the user's name and ability to access because of the speedy. Can you retrieve his name for me? Thanks.--Fuhghettaboutit 16:45, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

It was Hgahga (talk • contribs • page moves • block user • block log). I left him a talk page warning. Friday (talk) 17:07, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Obviously I will not re-warn. Thanks. --Fuhghettaboutit 17:32, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Actually upon re-reading my entry (I just pasted their bio), I have to ask. PLEASE EDIT it its terrible. It does sound like an advertisement. I just wanted a regular article to exist. Unfortuanately my writing skills aren't up to the task, and I'm not exactly unbiased...

User:JJay

If what I said is unacceptable, and I don't really see that it is, but I'll take your word for it, how should I say what I need to say? I'd like to say that JJay needs to quit being uncivil immediately, or I will take action to encourage him to quit being uncivil. I'm not trying to be an asshole, I'm just trying to be effective. What do you think? Erik the Rude 19:18, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, from what I've seen, many editors have expressed the same concerns with that user. I remember having some disagreements there myself which were never resolved. However, no matter what the provocation, you're essentially threatening to harass him, and that's not on. I know, he throws around WP:STALK accusations quite casually, but the proper response is not to actually stalk him, or to threaten to do so. Try a user conduct RFC if you wish - I suspect there's probably broad consensus that his behavior is a problem. Friday (talk) 19:33, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Many thanks and many apologies, Mr. Friday. I'll take the high road and go for the RfC here when I get the chance. Erik the Rude 20:03, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Poll

Your vote/opinion on brewery notability is requested here: . And put your pants back on before voting. SilkTork 12:05, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Never! I mean, uhh, I'll have a look. Friday (talk) 17:56, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Locksley

I saw them live. see the talk page. i agree with you, but as i say it was a request, unless the request was for some other more famous band called locksley. Ensiform 18:26, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Visiting - thanks

Friday, Over 9 months ago, you were the first to welcome me to Misplaced Pages. On the same day, you left me a nice note concerning an article (Dan Rice) that I'd expanded and weighed in on for its AfD. These many months later, I am an active Misplaced Pages editor; and today, have been nominated for Adminship. Your welcome and encouragement are still remembered. Thanks. — ERcheck (talk) @ 20:41, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome! It's always good to see someone stick around and continue to contribute. A lot of old-timers seem to be against new folks getting the mop, but personally I think more admins are better. Of course, maybe I only think that because I'm still fairly green myself. Good luck on the RFA, altho it doesn't look like you'll need it. Friday (talk) 17:56, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

WP:RfA/Catamorphism

You voted 'support' earlier (Support #12) — your recent vote is a dupe. — Mike 14:51, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

But what kind of fool would vote twice?? Oh, me, right. Thanks, I'll fix it. *embarassed smile* Friday (talk) 14:52, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

No problem. Can't say I agree' with your vote, mind you, but I'm sure that's already obvious. :-) — Mike 15:02, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for closing

...the AfD for Edwin Thanhouser and setting the Redirect. This was my first nom to AfD; I'll do better next time :) --Doc Tropics 21:48, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

No worries, you certainly didn't hurt anything. Friday (talk) 21:49, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

No permanent damage anyway; I wasted some time with the AfD but the result was a net improvement. --Doc Tropics 22:06, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

thanks....but

a one month block is far beyond the scope of wiki blocking policy for claimed "disruption". we can't allow admins like this to continue to break policy, can we? frankly i'm surprised you don't agree this is a prima facie abuse of power.

was the block accomplishing anything? well, its gone and i dont see wikipedia grinding to a halt, so...probably not.

if you take a look at my editing history i think you'll see your perception that i'm not working on articles is incorrect.

Justforasecond 14:54, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't think you're not working on articles, sorry if I gave that impression. I just think right now, you're better off focusing on articles and less on other editors. I do take abuse of admin tools seriously- heck, I can think of a few admins who are so pointlessly disruptive that they shouldn't have the tools at all. Some of them are longtime contributors with a considerable fan club tho, and this makes getting them to change their behavior very difficult. What you're ignoring is the offer to reduce the block substantially given a show of good faith on your part. I'm not against arbitration or other forms of dispute resolution, but I wonder what you want to accomplish here. Anyone can make mistakes, and unless someone displays an ongoing pattern of disruptive behavior, trying to "do something" about it is probably a waste of time. Friday (talk) 15:05, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Hey Friday, I needed a complete unblock for non-wiki reasons. He did say that any admin could reduce it or unblock at will, which was a concession, but the month long block was far too long to begin with. I don't think there was justification for *any* block, but for the sake of argument I'll put that aside. If I'm blocked for a month and some well-meaning admin tries to reduce considerably, the well-meaning admin will likely reduce the block by 75% or so to a week ("considerably" doesn't usually mean 95%) . The initial blocker emerges with a veneer of fairness, but the result is still a long block. I guess if, in this case, I blocked for a day or two with the same "anyone can reduce this" caveat it would have been a lot less objectionable to me.

I don't know if I want to get into the arbcom thing. It takes a huge amount of work and builds up a network of adversarial relationships. But I do think it would be very beneficial to wiki if the boundaries of "disruption" were clarified and if this were written into the policy. Justforasecond 16:35, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Handling points of view in articles

Hi again, Friday. To continue our discussion (briefly), please take a look at this sentence I wrote, and which another contributor deleted. (diff)

I'm going to leave it as is. I think I wrote sloppily. I failed to distinguish between MY ideas (about US military ethics, etc.) and the source's ideas: (West Point author, Pentagon?) It's the same kind of sloppiness I recall exhibiting in wolf hunting.

I'm glad to accept corrections like this. It was not my intent to make Misplaced Pages endorse one side of the raging controversy over whether America (USA), its government or its military is exemplary, rotten to the core (or somewhere between). I just typed faster than I should have and missed my own attribution error.

Everyone knows it's easiest to overlook one's own errors. That's why I always ask others to test the software I write, and that's why I l-o-v-e volunteering at Misplaced Pages, where the whole English-speaking world can catch my little errors. --Uncle Ed 14:25, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi Ed. I'm still looking at and thinking about these issues- just got caught up in an unfortunately controversial situation that took up some time. Friday (talk) 03:16, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Good job

Thanks for the quick response. Your action looks correct and appropriate. --Elonka 17:42, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for taking a stance. Let's hope Ghirla will learn his lesson this time.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus  talk}  17:49, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Re; User:Headerfooter

I reduced it to 12 hours. --Pilotguy 22:32, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

noin-english on ghirla's page

These a collection of russian sayings and catchphrases, mostly humorous, difficult to translate and mainly unclear to non-russian speakers (and translated will have no fun, but I'll try, since you became curious. `'mikka (t) 23:51, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh, don't go out of your way on my account. I just want to make sure I understand everyone's take on this issue. Friday (talk) 23:55, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Requesting a review

Hi, I understand that the block you issued was made by a good-faith judgement. Also, as I stated earlier I am a thorough proponent of admins issuing judgement blocks relieving us all from having to spend time on writing ArbCom submissions instead of WP article. Still, I think the block in question was a mistake that will do more harm than good for the project. I am requesting that you study the matter and the context (there was no ethnic slur there at all, btw) and give the issue an extra thought. For details, please see my message at WP:ANI thread related to the issue. TIA, --Irpen 02:20, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I will repeat here that I support the block; of course as the target of the Ghirlandajo behaviour I am even more biased here then Irpen (his good-faithed collegue, not neutral here neither).-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  03:37, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Piotrus, I've been a target of both your friends Molobo and Halibutt countless times. Never did I try to get them blocked! I did not even report Halibutt's 3RRs because having him blocked was never my goal. --Irpen 03:46, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Guys, please. I have no interest in the broader dispute here. I blocked an editor for what I saw as poisonous remarks. Comments relating to that issue are welcome. Friday (talk) 03:48, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Please accustom yourselves with the following practices of the editor in question- other admins who have stood up to him were pounced on and demeaned, while innocent contributors are regularly bullied, harassed, and called trolls and socks , save a few "Ghirla fans" who believe contributions to Russian articles give him immunity. Note this is the tip of the iceberg. Though if you are afraid of being attacked as previous admins have, I would undestand your inaction/defence of Ghirla's practices, which however doesnt change the fact that they are detrimental to the community, just as some of his contributions are beneficial, though not all (another tip of the iceberg, innocent corrections of his blunders are reverted). Please take my points into consideration despite my modest user name. 83.5.247.158 14:06, 28 July 2006 (UTC)