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collateral damage

Hi Dieter

Thanks for your message.I shall try and retrive the IP number-it is not something I noticed.And I must say I am totally ignorant of the other query-the type used by the Institution.Coming to think of it,the block only mentioned the IP number if I remeber correctly.Thanks for clearing this up.You can understand as this happened twice,I was somewhat peeved.Sorry if I sounded terse.Regards(Vr 06:03, 6 July 2006 (UTC))

Neoplatonism

Hello, hey I can understand that my wording was not as concise as it should be but instead of editing out the new research by members of the international neoplatonic society could you help me word my contribution alittle better or maybe put it in a different part of the article rather then simple remove it all together. I understand that too much of anything can cause confusion. So could you help me with adding the new research to the article? Thank you for your time and I hope I did not come across as disrespectful. LoveMonkey 12:47, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Excellent points I feel the same and have been shy about adding to the article (you know the old "where to begin and all"). I agree and apologize for not posting clearly and thinking the contribution was deleted instead of moved. There is a contributor on wiki, Zeusnoos who has a PHD or two and is well connected to the neoplatonic society. I am irritating him about this. Thank you for responding and I appreciate your contributions to keeping the neoplatonic ideas as clear and understandable as possible. LoveMonkey 13:00, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Just saw my name in this message. In spite of LM's praise, I'm only a postgraduate 'junior' scholar with a few publications under my belt. Zeusnoos 23:20, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Sinhala

Hi Dieter!

User:Pjacobi recommended you to me. I am kindly asking you to watch this page because I made some major adjustments that may cause some upstir which I fear might come from less qualified people and might be politically/ethnically motivated. I'd be happy if you could look at the discussion to find out about the history of the article. Thanks a lot, Krankman 21:22, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Hermano

Hi, I couldn't see any reason to move Hermano to Hermano (band) and create a dictionary definition of a foreign word in its place. Those entering "Hermano" should be directed to a page about a notable entity called "Hermano" if one exists, hence navigation was being compromised, and dicdefs are not Misplaced Pages material. If you wish to add a wiktionary link to the Hermano article, go ahead and of course if you have evidence that my take on the situation now (and therefore as it existed before) is incorrect, please tell me. Thanks, Deizio talk 14:44, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

ß in german texts

http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Language#.C3.9F_in_german_texts

This one might interest you. The Swiss are under discussion again for that letter's usage :)

→ P.MacUidhir (t) (c) 16:41, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

question about your zodiac comments

"the 4th c. AD, the Hindus adopt the system, and tie it to the background stars (viz., that is not the original system, but a Hindu innovation)."

I have largely found the history you recounted correct, but what is the source for 4th century? I assumed this would have been 2nd (or even 1st) century with the Yavanajataka, which was a later version of an earlier poem. Thanks. Zeusnoos 23:17, 10 July 2006 (UTC) 19:50, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

sorry, I normally sign, not sure what happened. I suspect tracing the literary sources, where they exist, may be more critical in dating works of Greco-Indian astrology rather than calculating the precession difference - the slightest difference of calculation can throw it off quite a bit. Zeusnoos 23:17, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

4AV message. I'm Blocked till next June

As you know, I have been blocked by S. TS, apparently for being anti-Republican, for not being a toady, for not engaging in WP sycophancy, or actually, being rather European in attitude towards my feckless President. There really is a cabal.

So many things have happened since. Mere editors can no longer move articles. My de novo articles are being vandalized by Republicans, and if I complain, TS ups the block.

Misplaced Pages is going to crash and burn in the Florida courts. It might be copvio, more likely libel, but considering how cyberstalkers work, it most likely will be a wrongful death suit. Then, all the servers get seized, and all the admins get outed, and dragged into a Florida court. You, in Europe, are immune, but being sued in an American Court is heavy-duty mess. --Mark, 4Av.

Mark, you have admitted to misbehaviour on your part, too, in the past. You were banned by the arbcom for one year. If you sit out your ban, you will be able to come back as an editor in good standing. If you don't want to wait, you could set up a sock account, but you should use that only to edit articles unrelated to those about which you were in dispute. If you manage to edit peacefully, without taking up any old feuds, I doubt that anyone will block you, even if your identity is revealed. On the other hand, if you start complaining about cabals and Tony again, you will be blocked as a banned user immediately, and after five blocks, your ban counter will be reset. Those are the rules. I do hope you can forget about the Democratic-Republican dichotomy for a while and edit unrelated articles. I know the USA are in a very difficult phase, arguably losing their face and their former values. If I was USian, or in any way holding patriotic feelings towards the US, I would be feeling very bitter about this myself. The world is still larger than the USA, and you can easily edit articles about the Corded Ware culture without getting involved in US-political schemes. Regards, dab (ᛏ) 12:21, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Something new

Can you believe this? ImpuMozhi 12:51, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Rajputs: Resistance is futile

Dieter, could you check Rajput please? The mutants seem not only to have invented account-creating bots, but even started to assimilate our own! User:VoABot is malfunctioning and has been systematically reverting our friends ImpuMozhi's and Scabber's edits to that of the vandal. Can it be stopped, before they assimilate the rest of us too? Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:02, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, I was still hoping it was really just a programming error in that ("experimental") feature of VoiceofAll's bot... ;-) It's obviously set to protect the article but seems to have problems recognizing who's the vandal and who isn't. As VoA isn't attending right now, could you perhaps block the bot for a short while so that ImpuMozhi can get his edits through? Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:09, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

No need to block, I'm on it. Also note that if an admin edits the page, it will not revert it.Voice-of-All 21:22, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

E-mail?

What do you mean? I don't understand. --Tēlex 21:19, 11 July 2006 (UTC) (answer by e-mail if you want)

Hi

Please see Talk:Ancient Pakistan. What do you think about this article? deeptrivia (talk) 12:49, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Link spam

Thanks for the advice on Talk:Sanskrit. Someone else just informed me of this resource today and I apparently added my question to m:Talk:Spam blacklist at about the same time you posted your ipfox.com addition. Note that there are a handful of links on en:Misplaced Pages to legitimate ipfox com sites that lack the same ads. I'm assuming blacklisting ipfox.com will not result in the legitimate sites' removal but will stop anyone else adding any more ipfox.com links to Misplaced Pages (perhaps thereby indirectly pressuring this hosting service to "clean up their act"). Also, there are some other URLs involved besides ipfox.com. I'm new to all of this; how do you suggest I proceed from here? --A. B. 14:42, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

revert on Template:Fact

There is a long discussion going on on the talk page surrounding the wording of this template. Please join the discussion rather than making a change and walking away without giving others an avenue to respond other than just reverting what you did.--Crossmr 01:07, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

ANI report

Hi - I request you to please see this and take administrative action. This Fire Burns Always 06:07, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Help (Tamil)

Hey Dieter,

I'd like to ask you to take a look at something. I'm pretty desperate right now. I think it's not your subject, but if you look at the discussion here (it's mainly about the difference between "inherited" and "borrowed" lexicon, applicable to any language), you might be able to form an opinion.

If you know some other qualified wikipedians, I'd be glad if you could point this page out to them. Thanks, Krankman 14:29, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Historical Vedic Religion

216.254.121.169 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) has once again edited it. Inspite of putting in Buddhism stuff, he calls it unbalanced. Pretty vandalistic. --Babub 13:17, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

216.254.121.169 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) Strikes again. --→Talk 18:35, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Ok.--→Talk 18:55, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Rune Inscription indexes revisited

Hey dab, perhaps you remember our conversations from a while ago - in regards to concerns about copyvio, on lists generated from the Rundata project. In essence I dumped the data and made lists for each district, you had concerns about the copyvio issue and I deleted the entries. I have found some more time, and I wanted to run this by you real quick to see if you think this would work. I have attempted to contact the person in Sweden listed as the coordinator, but there is no response. It seems to me the project is dead or dorment, but the data is still valid of course! I am extracting the data from their files into a database. The information is TAKEN from them of course, but I am not using their "markups". The information taken from their database is:

Rundata ID, English translation, Native text, Location, GPS coordinates, Material or Object inscribed, Time period stone was made, Artist who made it, Link to Image.

I know that perhaps you are not a copyvio expert, but after following your edits for a while, I do trust your judgement. Since the information is not really proprietary (except for their code to determine the time period, which I will not include) I believe we should be okay this time. What do you think? The project page also states "Feel free to spread the database to friends and family that are intrested, the more who use it the better". I know that it does not mean anything officially, but it does seem they are "in the spirit".

I am also in correspondence with the Swedish National Heritage multimedia authority to see if they are willing to copyleft the runestone images, I have links to images at their website to about 650 stones (!). Mceder 14:14, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the response, I appreciate it and will boldly go forward. I took a look at the Ogham inscription list a few times, but I am still working on getting the Ogham font installed properly, but will continue to work on it. Mceder 13:43, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Darwin, Descent of Man

The edition of this book that I have was printed in 1871 in New York. It was the first american edition of this book. Thank you for your response.

A request

I would request you to please add value to the page Ancient India instead of making it a redirection to the other page. I would suggest you to please understand the issue in its entirety. A simple search in google gives so many results. All good books of history has a separate section for Ancient India. I am sure your knowledge about such matter are not confined to what you may have learnt from wikipedia. Regards. --Bhadani 15:50, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Please read and understand. --Bhadani 16:02, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Please also alow the process of wiki to grow the contents. --Bhadani 16:03, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Ancient India

your behaviour is becoming disruptive now; before you do more moves and copy-paste-moves, argue your position on talk and seek consensus. I see no reason to have an Ancient India article separate from Kingdoms of Ancient India, and I have explained my reasons in detail. If you are unhappy about this, present your arguments, or ask for peer review, but do not just move stuff around out of spite. dab (ᛏ) on 21 July 2006 (UTC)

My reply and request: I do believe that no amount of consensus can change a truth. I feel that you do not desire to have a separate page for Ancient India for extraneous reasons. I would, therefore, put up the page for deletion after restoring the contents removed by you. However, I shall support for Keep. In case, you find me disruptive, your behavior is equally disruptive and disturbing too. I request your cooperation to resolve the issue. --Bhadani 05:49, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

please help

i have edited a page on salman rushdie. but a user called trueblood is continuilly reverting my edits for no visible reasons. if someone is skeptical of the edits i can give the source too. i am not an ardent user and dont know how to deal with this kind of vandalism. please help

may be my language wasnt good but all i wanted to do was make a point. i wont put it myself on the salman's page but request you to put it there as properly as you can. i just want u to list there that under his death threats and advices by his muslim friends, he renounced his book and embraced islam. his exact statement can be found on my earlier edit. u can also request for the links to his those statements. he said those things on 24th december 1990 under fear of islamic threats.as given by me in the earlier edit

I am sorry but I am not paid to do your edits for you; you should seek consensus on talkpages, and ask for assistance there if you have language difficulties; ultimately, you are responsible for the quality of your own edits, and if English is not your first language, you might want to contribute to another language Misplaced Pages project. dab (ᛏ) 18:18, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Vedic religion and Nirvan--216.254.121.169 01:41, 23 July 2006 (UTC)--216.254.121.169 01:41, 23 July 2006 (UTC)a

As far as my Aggressive editing, I provide my sources for the most part.

I could not care less about Babub as he sees any change as vandalism. If you are a responsible admin, which you should try to be, you would note on the Vedic religion it states:

"This article discusses the historical religious practices in the Vedic time period;" Would you kindly answer why the "hinduism" template is on it? Either say this is a discussion on what Hindus think about the Vedic tradition. Why is the Buddhist aspect out?

As far as your understanding about Nirvana, you are wrong:

The word can have many interpretations, the following having been recorded in the great Sarvastivàdin commentary, Abhidharma-mahavibhàsa-sàstra:

• Vàna, implying the path of rebirth, + nir, meaning leaving off' or 'being away

from the path of rebirth.'

• Vàna, meaning 'stench', + nir, meaning 'freedom': 'freedom from the stench of distressing kamma.'

• Vàna, meaning 'dense forests', + nir, meaning 'to get rid of' = 'to be

permanently rid of the dense forest of the five aggregates (panca skandha), or the 'three roots of greed, hate and delusion (lobha, dosa, moha)' or 'three characteristics of existence (impermanence, anitya; unsatisfactoriness, dukkha, soullessness, anàtma).'

• Vàna, meaning 'weaving', + nir, meaning 'knot' = 'freedom from the knot of the

distressful thread of kamma.

Again, you are an admin, BE RESPONSIBLE and FAIR.--216.254.121.169 19:30, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

three pieces of advice: don't rant at me, work on your Sanskrit transliteration (and consult an etymological dictionary. "freedom from stench" *snort*), and try to address your grievances peacefully (as in compassionately if you get my meaning) dab (ᛏ) 19:59, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

You started the rant, very unadmin like. Again, I have provided a historical source of sanskrit roots from a KEY Buddhist source which is what is in discussion since we are discussing the BUDDHIST meaning of Nirvana, a modern etymological dictionary hardly has all linguistic roots and historical usages, but these ancient sources provide invaluable information.

Again, you have not told me what you are going to do with the Vedic religion page --

1) a decent edit with ALL the templates in, or the Hindu template out. It is only fair. 2) the constant references to Hinduism OUT in the context of Vedic teachings. As it is about VEDIC practices and NOT HINDU practices. 3) again, be fair and look at all sides and make sure all sides provide SOURCES. So far there are NO sources on this page.

Thank you for your assistance and cooperation.--216.254.121.169 21:24, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

hey, I am not Misplaced Pages. I didn't add the Hindu template (in fact I removed it for now, althogh I do not oppose it being there). Look at your talkpage: I am not the only one complaining about your edits, and my complaint is rather more moderate than others. You mentioned Abhidharma-mahavibhasa-sastra. No verse, no translator, nothing. Since I doubt the shastra was written in English, you'd need at least state which edition you are using. Once you do, we can easily say that your shastra has such-and-such an etymology for Nirvana, no problem, even if it is not the actual etymology. It is your job to provide your references. dab (ᛏ) 21:45, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Again thanks for your time. I am not opposed to the Hindu template, I am opposed to it the only template being there as it implies that Hindu tradition is the sole representation of Vedic tradition -- either we should have ALL the templates there (Buddhism, Hinduism, Jainism) or none.

as for the complaints, I could very much write up a few complaints on those two (Babub and the science guy), they literally refuse to budge and have clearly stated biased views -- you can check them out yourself and see if their writings are biased. Babub is in the business of name calling ("vandal") when anyone changes that section, science guy insists on putting "there is no influence on thinking of the scientists" no matter how many references I put on the study of Buddhism by many of the scientists.

Again I don't mind people editing my stuff, as long as it is done fairly, if someone points out I am biased I do my homework and will gladly try to provide sources, including the translation of the Abhidharma that you are asking for.

--216.254.121.169 01:41, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

alright, that sounds promising. I am certainly prepared to take your concerns seriously as long as you are prepared to 'do your homework' and present them in a collaborative tone. As for the Hinduism template, it's not such a big deal, I do not care either way (such templates are often more bother than they are worth). The point is that Buddhism originated as a reform movement, discarding Vedic traditions, while Vedanta might be seen as a reform movement that at least nominally retained the Vedas. Thus, the Vedas continue to be considered divine in Hinduism, while they have no such status in Buddhism. That's all interesting, but post-Vedic developments and thus beyond the article's focus. I would like to extend it with material about actual Vedic rituals, not about this or that offshoot. Might I ask you to get an account, so people can communicate with you on your own talkpage? dab (ᛏ) 11:02, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Mysticism image

Are you looking for a new image to replace the one removed from Mysticism? Did the Flammarion Woodcut really mock mysticism? Is that because it seemingly depicts a flat earth? Thanks! Dreadlocke 23:58, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Ethnic Germans

Howdy. You asked for a citation on Germans. Ethnic Germans, the article on wikipedia, talks about how most Austrians today wouldn't call themselves "German". Well, thats true, but I think its because people focus on the term as a nationality rather than an ethnicity. From the Germans article itself, we have/or had the quote "Before World War II, most Austrians considered themselves German and denied the existence of a distinct Austrian ethnic identity." There's some more information of the like here:

http://www.everyculture.com/A-Bo/Austria.html

So although today Austrians wouldn't call themselves "German," it's somewhat irrelevant. The French Swiss probably would say they're Swiss but only refer to the national allegiance. While historically and ethnically, they are still French. The big question here is, if we don't consider Austrians and Swiss Germans...German. Where do we place an infobox for them? Antidote 05:17, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Austrians are a nationality, not an ethnicity. No seperate language, culture... arguably "south German". The Austrians article deals with the associated nuances appropriately. Same goes for the Schweizerdeutsche- the nationality figures you provide contradict the ethnic viewpoint of the article. Cheers. Ulritz 16:41, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

I concur with User:Ulritz. I don't know what kind of "reference" you're looking for. How is a link not a reference? What is a reference in your opinion? And what will convince you? Antidote 17:56, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

FourthAve is banned until about June 1

Saw the history. You actually voted to ban me. You don't know how this depresses me, renders me unhappy, makes me wretched, and how, as an American your views have influenced me to support the big Florida lawsuit that renders Misplaced Pages a victim of the court, bankrupt, with all admins, bureaucats and stewards being made to show up in court with financial statements in hand, including Europeans like you (and if you don't ICE will arrest you at the border). It'll be copyvio, probably, but libel is possible. Most likely, it will be a wrongful death suit, where an editor gets killed because of his facts, with a POV admin behind him did something wrong.

FourthAve. Do email me.

I do not remember voting on banning you. In fact, since I am not an arbcom member, I couldn't have. You do not seem to make much sense right now, and if you are serious, I think you may suffer from depression and should maybe consider getting assistance. Although seeing all the rabid nationalists on Misplaced Pages, I do admit I have mused on the possibility of a "Misplaced Pages murder" in the past (hey, there were "gaming murders" already, after all :) dab (ᛏ) 09:30, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Greek letters

Hi Dbachman. Thank you for your contribution for the Greek transliterations on pages such as Kanishka. However, several of the letters you are using (ancient C, ancient "Sh" as in Shaonanoshao) do not show up with my browser. What kind of set-up would be necessary to view them properly? Thank you PHG 13:50, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Refdesk query

Somebody has asked a question here about the date of Bṛhadāraṇyaka upanishad. Can you please answer it. Tintin (talk) 06:11, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. Tintin (talk) 10:24, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Mohit for deletion

Hi, could you check this article out? I am 100% sure that it is a hoax. But those voting for it at the deletion page aren't sure. Could you give your opinion?--→Talk 03:17, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

FYI

Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates/Adi Shankara Tintin (talk) 14:49, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

What is offensive?

If calling a group of people fanatics who 'call other holes' and telling a neutral admin 'fuck you' is not offensive, then what would you find to be offensive? -- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  23:02, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

"offensive" is one thing; coming to AN/I playing the "ethnic slur" card is another. I do not want to be involved in this (because I don't have the time to wade through the history). Whether it is justified to call people fanatics will depend, I presume, on whether they are in fact fanatics. I have seen weird cases of obsession on Misplaced Pages, so that would not be unheard of. If you have no case except that some editor got annoyed at you and complained in strong terms that one group of editors teams up, ignoring due process, I think you shouldn't pipe up quite so much. But as I say, maybe you were unfairly pounced upon without giving the slightest cause; take it to the arbcom then. dab (ᛏ) 23:18, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Ghirlandajo

You might want to revise your position after accustoming yourself with the following practices of the editor in question (where were you when admins who stood up to him were being pounced on and demeaned?) while other users are regularly bullied, harassed, and called trolls, save a few "Ghirla fans" who believe contributions to Russian articles give him immunity? Note this is the tip of the iceberg. Though if youre afraid of being attacked as previous admins have, I would undestand your inaction and defence of Ghirla's practices, which are just as detrimental to the community as some of his contributions are beneficial, though not all. I also hope you wont brush off despite the modest "user name". 83.5.247.158 14:06, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I've been in conflict with Ghirla before, so I am hardly his "fan". Nevertheless he is a very valuable editor, and it would be stupid to turn him off with overly trigger-happy justice. That doesn't mean "immunity", but I will hardly pursue this discussion unless you log in and talk to me using your regular account. dab (ᛏ) 16:36, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm actually one of those Wikipedians who sticks to the "anyone can edit" concept, as I dont have any ambitions to collect a gallery of edits to massage my ego or become an admin, or even build authority and immunity in Ghirlandajo's view. Sorry to see youre prejudiced against "anons". Anyway, youre missing the point. The proverbial drop in the bucket of his abuse got him blocked. The line ends somewhere- as an unrelenting repeat offender, his antics went a bridge too far, even if his comment alone, as a new user's, might have led some to assume good faith. Regards. PS Dont feel obliged to continue pursuing the discussion with a lowly anonymous contributor, but do show minimal respect for the countless editors he has abused in his (full-time?) career here by not gratuitously questioning the block- it's in his own good. A truly valuable contributor would adjust his behaviour instead of throwing a hissy-fit and swearing off the whole community. 83.5.247.158 17:37, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

that's good for you (not needing to massage your ego). Anonymous edits are most welcome. There are many uncontroversial tasks to be done, and these can be done anonymously just as well as logged in. As soon as you are trying to have a debate with people, however, it is only courteous to pick a handle you can be addressed by. I don't mind your useful edits at all. But I will not enter a debate with an anonymous IP: in my view, the lack of courtesy is entirely on your side, lecturing me on my talk page without as much as an imaginary name I can refer to you by. You don't need to sign up if your ego doesn't push you to meddling with wikipolitics. Since you are meddling with wikipolitics, minimal courtesy would demand you sign up. Don't do it for me, though, since I am just as happy without this debate. The "drop in the bucket" thing is just, like, your opinion. The opinion of 83.5.247.158. You might weigh in with this opinion of yours in an arbcom case. Oh wait, you'd have to get an account for that. dab (ᛏ) 17:46, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

If you choose to ignore the subject and instead concentrate on the issue of my ip address, fine. I somehow managed to engage in discussion without refering to you by your username. If you feel my attempt at discussion of the block you vehemently oppose as lecturing, then I guess I've wasted my time, and now understand your defiant defence of Ghirlandajo's ways. Take care Dieter. -Veteran IP

Added fair use rationale

...for the images Image:Sankara-big.jpg and Image:Sankara.jpg. Is this ok?--→Talk 08:50, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I'll remove the other image. Will your caption take care of the copyright problems until we find another image?--→Talk 14:49, 28 July 2006 (UTC)