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User rights

Bbb23, one more thing. I am also disappointed by the unilateral removal of my autopatrolled rights by an admin without any discussion or explanation, but only with prejudice that I am a spammer with the certain user rights. I have earned that status with my new pages patrolling, which was recognized by the community. --BiH (talk) 06:16, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Question about IP block exemption

Hi. Where can I submit a request for IP block exemption right? I want to edit through proxy/vpn. Due to my internet service problems, I really need this future/user right. I'll discuss the details in my request. Regards. --Zyma (talk) 14:56, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Zyma: Read WP:EXEMPT. Your request appears to be part of condition 2, and I would read that too. EoRdE6 03:10, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

I read it, but I don't know what to do. Send an email to all responsible/checkuser admins? --Zyma (talk) 14:06, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

No, that wouldn't be fun for the recipients. The policy says to use WP:UTRS. Sometimes you can shorten the process by asking an administrator or checkuser who knows you well.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:34, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Okay, but I want Used for anonymous proxy editing feature/user right. It says "Email the functionaries team or contact a CheckUser directly, explaining why you need to edit via anonymous proxies." So just write my rationale for granting and contact a checkuser via his/her talk page? --Zyma (talk) 12:41, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, you're right, I was reading the wrong section. You can either contact the Functionaries team or contact a checkuser directly. I'd take care of it for you if I felt more comfortable doing so, but I simply don't feel I understand how I'm supposed to evaluate these requests. Do you know a checkuser? If not, do you want to contact the Functionaries team, or do you want me to recommend a checkuser to go to? I think it might be better if you contact a checkuser to do so by e-mail rather than through their Talk page.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:18, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Per Used for anonymous proxy editing, a checkuser admin (like you) decides about my request and approves/disapproves it, if the request is approved, then checkuser grants the user right to requester. If consultation is necessary, you can send a copy of my request to other related functionaries (admins who decide about this user right). I think admin Dougweller can help too. I will send my request (fully detailed and rationales) by email. Would you please review it? --Zyma (talk) 04:38, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Just e-mail Doug. I don't need to review it. If Doug needs anything from me, he knows where to find me. As an arbitrator, he is automatically a checkuser, although I don't think he uses the tool.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:46, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks. Regards. --Zyma (talk) 16:02, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Welcome back... here's a little mess that could use mopping up

Can you please comment on CuteOrangeKittyCat's edits? , , , . Discussion here. --NeilN 00:18, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

@NeilN: Sorry it took so long. I had to confirm something first before taking action.--Bbb23 (talk) 04:28, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Remembering an ARE report

I was thinking of this ARE report some days ago, although you were on a break, you still remember that one? Have a good one. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 18:01, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Block evasion

Hello Bbb23, Shay2570 (talk · contribs) is being used to evade your block on Itaykaufman12 (talk · contribs)... JMHamo (talk) 19:39, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

@JMHamo: Thanks for the heads up. I have a feeling we're not done.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:48, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi Bbb23. Regarding your question at WP:AN, I blocked Morlvi471 as a sock of the repeatedly blocked IP editor who usually edits from the 80.246.133.* and 80.246.130.* ranges. Here are three random IPs from my PC's cache: (1) 80.246.133.234, (2) 80.246.130.247, (3) 80.246.130.39. The first two IPs are currently blocked, so registering and editing under a new username is block evasion. — Malik Shabazz /_Stalk 21:04, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Malik, I just wanted to make sure there wasn't another named account that you thought was involved before I tag the accounts I blocked.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:11, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Neologismist01/Neologismist (UTRS appeal #13680)

Hi! These two accounts were CU confirmed to each other but not to anyone else I can see. The user filed an UTRS appeal. I looked over contributions from either account and I don't see anything particularly bad (let alone blockable) and the accounts don't appear to have been used for malicious purposes. Can you enlighten me as to any other reasons for the blocks, and/or do you have any objections to seeing one of the accounts unblocked (Neologismist seems to be the one the user dsires to continue using)? Thanks in advance. If you want to engage with the user directly in the UTRS ticket beforehand let me know and I'll release it for you. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 19:59, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

• Neologismist appears to have been blocked as per WP:DUCK after a previous SPI, so the Neologismist01 account constituted block evasion. User:OhNoitsJamie should understand the situation a bit more, since they dealt with it at that time. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 20:09, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

• But Neo01 only edited once, well before Neo was blocked (???). ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 20:29, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

• Neologismist is the master having been created and edited back in 2011. Neologismist01 was created and made one edit on March 6, 2015. Neologismist was blocked by OhNoitsJamie on April 23, 2015. Obviously, Neologismist01's block could not be block evasion. It's simple sock puppetry. However, @Salvidrim!, if you believe the edits by both accounts were not disruptive, I see no reason why not to unblock Neologismist. I'd, of course, leave the puppet account blocked.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:10, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

• That seems reasonable to me also. I'll take some more time to review the edits in-depth and compare them to the Sju Hav socks just to make sure and proceed tomorrow probably. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 21:56, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Questions regarding the closure of the recent Tirgil34 SPI and notes on Bamsi2929 case

Hi Bbb23, welcome back from vacation and congratulations on becoming a CheckUser. I've noticed that you archived the recent Tirgil34 SPI after it was closed by Berean Hunter as a WP:TLDR. Though the investigation certainly became too large, i still think some of the users listed should be checked. Would filing a new shorter investigation with more concicely presented evidence be problematic? I also added some comments to the Bamsi2929 SPI which could be helpful. Krakkos (talk) 12:51, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

@Krakkos: In response to your question about the Tirgil34 SPI, I think you should ask Berean Hunter if you haven't done so already. As for the other SPI, thanks for your comments. Could you please go back and sign them? --Bbb23 (talk) 21:23, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

I did initially ask Berean Hunter, and he has now stated that he has no objections to a refile. I have now performed that refile. If it is still WP:TLDR, please tell me. If the investigation is deeemed valid, i encourage you to perform the check, as you have previous experience dealing with Tirgil34 SPI's. On a sidenote, why was there no sanctions against Uniquark9 following the previous investigation against him? While you were on vacation i took the liberty of changing the tag on his sock BillKillB. Krakkos (talk) 23:02, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

I don't know your plans

I was about to block User:Samidotkhan until I saw you delete their article. I'll hold off if you have a different plan. Tiderolls 00:59, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

@Tide rolls: Heh, right after I deleted the article, I indeffed him as VOA.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:01, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

I saw. I should've blocked them yesterday but they had just been blocked for 24 hrs and I thought, 'maybe you're wrong about them, Tide.' I wasn't. Tiderolls 01:04, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

UTRS Account Request

I confirm that I have requested an account on the UTRS tool. Bbb23 (talk)

I'll be happy to approve it, but I'm not sure your username can be "UTRS23"... your UTRS account name is what is used when signing replies and "UTRS23" kinda makes it seem like we're not humans, just numbered responders, y'know? Lemme know what I can rename you to, either Bbb23 or something similar -- most UTRS volunteers have UTRS account names close to their on-wiki name for the skae of simplicity and transparency (although not always exactly the same). ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 16:29, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

I would have chosen my Misplaced Pages username, but I wasn't sure if I could/should. That would be fine with me. Would the password I chose be the same if you rename it?--Bbb23 (talk) 16:32, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Done and done -- it shouldn't have changed the password, lemme know if you have trouble logging in! I will ask DQ to flag you as CU (I'm tooladmin but only tooldevs can flag CUs). Welcome aboard! :) ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 16:37, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. Log in works fine.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:54, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Sockpuppet investigation

You previously closed out this investigation on GingerBreadHarlot. At the time you indicated, correctly IMO, that the case hadn't been made. With recent edits, however, at Leo Frank it appears that the case can now be made. Another user opened this . I'm not sure how much the original statement adds, but in the other comments section I have added details that the originator probably was not aware of. In any event, any action you feel appropriate to take would be appreciated. Tom (North Shoreman) (talk) 12:23, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

@North Shoreman: Since I became a checkuser, I act only occasionally as a clerk at SPI. Based on the current report, a CU would not be warranted because everything is stale and we don't publicly disclose connections between IPs and registered users. That said, my superficial take is the filer is going to have some trouble because of the age of the IPs' edits, and you're going to have some trouble because of the complexity of your behavioral analysis.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:33, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

Ani

] not cause you did anything wrong. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 01:40, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

I Just Wanna... (Elijah Blake song)

Hi. The title says "I Just Wanna... (Elijah Blake song)", while the lead sections says "..is a song by American recording artist Nicki Minaj". That is why I tagged it as a hoax. --BiH (talk) 14:54, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Aaah, wouldn't it have been better to fix it (I just did)?--Bbb23 (talk) 15:31, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Just made an additional fix. I wanted to check with you as I presumed you did not notice the issue --BiH (talk) 15:56, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

You're correct; I didn't.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:57, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

User:Zurich00swiss and their socks

As you today closed the latest SPI for Zurich00swiss and previously confirmed that User:Newdestination was a sock, would you take a look at the defence of Newdestination just placed on my talk page here by User:Wjkxy? Is it worth further examination? Many thanks! RichardOSmith (talk) 21:30, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

@RichardOSmith: The accounts are not related. My guess is the two users shared a common article interest and a common language. Take a look at Wjkxy's Talk page.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:09, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Ah yes - it looks like Wjkxy is mistaken but not otherwise related. Many thanks for checking, and putting my mind at ease! RichardOSmith (talk) 22:36, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

A question

I'm interested in becoming an SPI clerk trainee. That said, I wouldn't want to put my name on the consideration list if it meant I'd be skewered by admins and/or other editors at the request page. You've been harsh with me (in what I feel are fair and unfair ways) in the past regarding certain things, including SPI reports I've filed. Because of that, I'm asking for your opinion on whether or not it would be wise for me to put my name on the request trainee status list or foolhardy on my part - I believe you would give an honest opinion. Thanks,-- WV ● ✉ ✓ 22:44, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

@Winkelvi: Sorry, but I don't think you have the right temperament or judgment to be an SPI clerk.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:34, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

So, in other words, one must already have all the qualifications to be a clerk in order to be a clerk trainee? I thought the idea of one being a trainee is that they are molded into the position they would take, with the training period designed to get them there. And, if after the training is completed they still don't have what it takes, they aren't promoted to the position. What's the point of training if one already has the qualifications? -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 23:41, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

I don't expect trainees to be fully qualified. Some experience with SPIs helps, but you actually have that, which is a positive. My comment refers to temperament and judgment. I expect a trainee to have that from the get-go as it's not generally something that can be easily "trained".--Bbb23 (talk) 23:52, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

"Temperament" is something that is best observed and assessed in person. That's not something we can do in Misplaced Pages via text on a computer screen. Not always portraying my actual temperament (which is typically quite calm and flat, to be honest) precisely through what I write is something I have been working on steadily since I started editing Misplaced Pages and commenting on talk pages and in edit summaries. My personal assessment is that I have improved in that area and will continue to work on doing so -- that's part of growing as an editor and a human being. That's something that can and will change for me with time -- my "evolution" so to speak. Judgement: same. We all have a learning curve. We all have the ability to make progress in various areas -- editing, communicating, understanding of policies, etc. No one comes here perfect, and I don't believe trainees should come perfect, either. I'm trainable and moldable and when given a challenge to succeed, typically do so in a big way. Ah, well. Thanks for your time,-- WV ● ✉ ✓ 00:18, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Daft SPI

I seem to have obliterated part of a previous entry. Not intentional. I was adding some pertinent points and must have misplaced the cursor. Easily done. I didn't realise the case had already received attention as I went straight to the SPI after seeing one of the edits in my watchlist. So, apologies for the error but it must be obvious to you that it was an error. Okay? Anyway, thanks for attending to the case so quickly: it usually takes a few days. Jack | 04:33, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Based on your history, I assumed it was an error, but I still felt the need to be a bit sharp in my edit summary. Thanks for the explanation.--Bbb23 (talk) 04:35, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

That's all right. Thanks again. Jack | 04:44, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Account deletion

I don't really know how you did it but you managed to delete Misplaced Pages account of my business partner John I. whom we share office together. How can he claim his account back? I feel really bad that because of vendetta of some admins against me John lost his account... Wiki-shield (talk) 11:53, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Which account are you talking about (the username)?--Bbb23 (talk) 14:04, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

I just spoke to him and it looks like his account (Mishash) is not deleted, he still can access it. I just got confused by "user doesn't exist" message when I clicked on account link, apparently John never bothered to create his user page in WP. My apology for false acquisition and I will remove my offensive message from Sockpuppet_investigations page, sorry I just got really pissed off that John got affected by my issues with WP. Wiki-shield (talk) 14:38, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

A few things you should know. First, technically accounts are never really deleted at Misplaced Pages; they are blocked if Wikiipedia wants to prevent a person from editing. Second, just because Mishash is currently unblocked doesn't mean the account will remain unblocked. That determination hasn't yet been made. Finally, if Mishash is blocked, the block can be appealed. You have to understand that many people say that a second account belongs to someone in their household or, in this case, their office, but it's often simply not true. I'm not expressing an opinion at this point in time whether what you say is or is not true, just trying to make you understand how things work.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:48, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. In my case I don't really care if my account is blocked or deleted as after dealing with editor wars, personal bashing, and other WP dirty realities, I'm certainly done with WP editing. To be honest, I don't think John cares about his WP account either, he is just another naive person (like I was 3 months ago) who thinks highly of WP but it's only a matter of time until he stumbles upon some seasoned WP editor with hidden agenda and gets involved in editor wars trying to prevent manipulation and misrepresentation of facts... I think we better focus on our patients :) Wiki-shield (talk) 16:10, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Understood. Your patients are more important than Misplaced Pages anyway. Good luck to you.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:13, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi Bbb23 I need your help and some advice about possible sockpuppetry

Hi Bbb23,

I need your help and some advice about possible sockpuppetry. I am also going to ping User:PBS @PBS so that he may have advice as well, or if you are really busy just now.

There has been ongoing disputes, edit warring, blatant blp issues, NPA's up to like 3 now from one certain editor.in and around the article for a pianist here at en wikipedia, as well as the blp board, edit warring boards (reports by two different editors about the same James Rhodes (pianist) article, page protection board, where @CambridgeBayWeather saw all the blp issuesthat were going on at the time she judged the need for protection there at the pianist article. User:CambridgeBayWeather in her admin role semi-protected the article for one week, then there were three WP:NPA violations against him, which I warned the editor on his talk page on two occasions.

Since then the editor has struck up a whole band of possible sock monkeys to help defend him, and also some of the ones have made personal attacks againt me as well in the ani the editor filed.  I have been trying to state what has actually happened over this while, but there is so much disruption, attacking, and lacking good faith by him and some others there.

I just got to thinking this is so weird. All the possible soccy editors seemed to be acting in concert in how the flow of things went there so far. I just kept my thoughts about all this to myself until now, but it occurred to me to check the block log of this editor to see if he had ever had any trouble with issues that he may have been blocked for. I asked him about the two blocks listed in the report. One block was for 72 hours and the next block was an INdeffinent. block. I noticed the offenses listed was sock puppeting and abusing multiple accounts.

When I asked him about the sockpuppetry charge in the ani, he said something to the effect that "he was testing wikipedias security" by "setting up some vandalism only accounts" to test security. You could read his exact storyline that he posted on there. Are editors allowed to "test security" by making up sockpuppets to vandalize editors, articles and such? Is he really working for you as a clerk or something?

To paraphrase, he said at ani it was just a couple of accounts, maybe 2 just to test with. I took his word on that for awhile, but then I took a break from making new articles, to just try typing his editor name and sockpuppet in wp search. This is what I found, it had your name on it so I thought you would be the perfect person to explain to me how this works exactly.

Maybe I am not reading the pages and archives correctly since I do not follow the spi reports very often. I see people speak of a duck rule, and or diffs of evidence is needed to request an investigation. I do not know myself is all this meets the duck rule or if there is any real evidence that this user may be continuing to abuse multi accounts or not, But I was stunned to se reports on his archive go back to januaey and the latest one was around may 18. Could you read this over if you have time to see if it warrants asking for all this to be checked on. I do not know how to do a spi report. I am not sure if it can be added on to the ongoing list that goes back several months? Please look it over and let me know something. I am going to work offline on my new article sets tonight, and upload them tomorrow or the next day. I have been doing a series of articles about different writers around the world, and then I make a few stubs from red links in the one about the writer.

This is all very discouraging. Thank you.

Cheers! WordSeventeen (talk) 00:11, 28 May 2015 (UTC)