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Alicia Nash

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Article subject fails WP:GNG. Any notability she had only comes in connection with her husband - and notability is WP:NOTINHERITED. Only sources found that talk about her independent of her husband are unreliable - some admitted "celebrity" gossip sites. Even the PBS reference is from an article about her husband. No notability on her own and pretty much known for 1E: marrying, divorcing, and re-marrying Nobel Laureate and mathematician John Nash - in other words, her marital relationship with him. Both Nash and his wife (the article subject) were killed a few days ago in a motor vehicle accident, so it follows that folks are interested in them. Even so, her marriage and death do not merit her an article on her own. She simply doesn't meet Misplaced Pages's notability guidelines. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 03:15, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

• Keep - for obvious reasons. All you have to do is Google "Alicia Nash" Her life story is famous worldwide. A film was made about her life that won the Academy Award for Best Picture. Without her John Nash would not be notable, so do not attempt to prove your "Not Inherited" theory. HesioneHushabye (talk)

The film was about Nash's life, not his wife's. If her life story truly were "famous worldwide", there would be reliable sources aplenty documenting her life independent of her marriage to John Nash. The opposite is the case. As far as Nash's notability, he attained his genius and achieved his mathematical and economic knowledge all on his own. Sure, as his wife, she was a support. But that doesn't make for content that meets Misplaced Pages's general notability guidelines. Further, "not inherited" is not a theory but a Misplaced Pages guideline and policy. I know you created the article and are invested in it, however, article subjects must meet notability guidelines and this one simply does not. That's the plain and simple truth. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 03:26, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

• Comment - Actually the film is about their life together, the actress that played Alicia Nash won the Academy Award for Best Supporting Actress, the actor that played John did not. You are false, as her life story is well documented in all books about John's life, that are linked on the article, including information about her prominent family and her own life before John. She had her own accomplishments. Feel free to read her obituary if you want to learn about her life. (link) .HesioneHushabye (talk)

The link you provided is to an obituary. If we did articles on everyone who had a lengthy obituary, we'd be here for years going through the list of articles for deletion. An obituary in the NYT (or anywhere) does not establish notability per Misplaced Pages guidelines. And the film was about Nash, an actress portrayed his wife because she was a part of his life - not because she was notable on her own. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 03:51, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Your comebacks aren't proving anything besides the fact that you aren't familiar with the subject and refuse to do a Google search or read anything. I posted her obituary from the Washington Times above that lists her accomplishments. She doesn't need defending. HesioneHushabye (talk)

My responses are just that, not "comebacks". Being familiar with the subject is neither here nor there. All one need do is a simple Google search (which I did along with a Yahoo search) and fiund exactly what I stated in my original post here: nothing reliably sourced, nothing notable independent of her husband, nothing that allows for the article subject meeting the general notability guidelines. I wouldn't have nominated the article for deletion if there were the things needed to establish notability. An obituary can note accomplishments all day long - if there is nothing from a reliable, unbiased source (obituaries are not unbiased/reliable sources except for things like birth dates/birth places/family relations) that supports and verifies those accomplishments, then we have nothing verifiable. The threshold for inclusion of content in Misplaced Pages is verifiability. The threshold for the inclusion of articles in Misplaced Pages is notability. No matter how you slice it, Alicia Nash does not meet those guidelines. Sorry. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 04:04, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

That's nice. When someone writes a movie about you or plays you in a movie or when you die your death is as widely mourned and reported as Alicia, let me know. HesioneHushabye (talk)

Me letting you know someone has written a screenplay about my life after I'm dead would be a pretty neat trick, wouldn't it? And just like Alicia Nash, I would fail notability guidelines even if my spouse was the famous one. :-) -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 16:10, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

• Keep Alicia Nash has attracted public attention and comment. She clearly passes the GNG for the level of coverage provided by her in various published sources.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:40, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Where? What links? What reliable sources? What coverage independent of her husband? -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 03:48, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

• keep, meets WP:GNG, she's also a respected and accomplished academic even in her husbands shadow. On a side note: User:Winklevi, stop harassing people just because they vote and disagree with you. Seriously, you're acting like a bete noire with your relentless need to battle people just for expressing their opinion. That's not good form, and as this isnt a debate, ergo, neither is it constructive. JackTheVicar (talk) 17:14, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

• Redirect to John Forbes Nash, Jr. as notability is not inherited, though she is a plausible search term. WP:BIOFAMILY states "Being related to a notable person in itself confers no degree of notability upon that person". WP:NOTNEWS might also apply here. Snuggums (talk / edits) 17:20, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

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