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Hmm never seen this template before, but in my opinion its abusive and a personal attack and its should be discontinued.-- — Keithbob • Talk • 16:21, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
I thought it was funny, Keithbob, and placed it on my Talk Page myself. The "epiphets" are so ludicrous and silly, I can't believe anyone would take them personally. Liz17:11, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
sent you a couple of emails. (Love your warning when someone wants to open a new section here! i want to copy that!) Jytdog (talk) 13:46, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
I'm sorry, Jytdog, I haven't checked that email account for the past few days. I'll look into it later. I forgot who I borrowed the edit notice from (I'm not the original author) but you are free to use it, too! Liz15:00, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
I don't see how I am involved! I've tried to read through this dispute but I don't have a deep knowledge regarding this literature. Liz13:19, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
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Went through all the feedback we got for improving watchlist integration on Misplaced Pages and co and posted our assesment
Put the infrastructure for creating Turtle-Beta dumps in place. All new Wikidata dumps will be in https://dumps.wikimedia.org/wikidatawiki/entities/ from Monday on (the old * directory will be kept around and receive new json dumps for backwards compatibility).
Reduced size of entities pages by removing no longer needed data (to make the UI faster).
Fixed bug that sometimes caused dates and other types of values to be cut short when quickly saving. (phabricator:T92831)
Fixed issues with setting focus after clicking edit.
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Hi, BabbaQ, I don't know much about the show but I added some appropriate categories so the article would be seen with other seasons of the series. Hope that helped! Liz17:35, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
Wikidata weekly summary #153
Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
We are going to change the way value suggestions are ranked when entering a new statement. This will help with "male" and "female" not showing up among the top suggestions. Previously we ranked by number of sitelinks. We will change this to the maximum of sitelinks and labels. So if an item has labels in many languages but no sitelinks like "male" and "female" it will still show up high in the suggestions. (phabricator:T94404)
Discussed how to move forward with identifiers. Outcome: They should get their own datatype. (phabricator:T95287)
Implemented arbitrary access for the {{#property:…}} parser function. This can be invoked on the wikis that have arbitrary access enabled by using {{#property:P123|from=Q42}}. So far this is only Wikidata itself.
Did further performance work on the client (Misplaced Pages and co) in preparation for arbitrary access
Improved the performance of wbgetentities significantly when loading a large number of entities
I appreciate your tone and respect and will listen. I know I new but I seemed to have already gotten in trouble. I honestly am going to cool off for a while and try to listen more. But yes if there is a veteran who wants to adopt or be my pledge mom/dad whatever you guys call it, Im down. Cavalierman (talk) 16:37, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
I don't recall any conversation about mentoring but it wouldn't be a bad idea! I know there is this new Co-op program but I don't know much about it. If you go to the teahouse, I'm sure they can point you in the right direction, Cavalierman.
My general advice to new editors is to try improving articles that you care about and have an interest in but that you aren't passionate about. Having ones edits reverted is very common on Misplaced Pages...sometimes I go to the article discussion page to talk it out and sometimes, I just accept the reversion. It usually isn't personal. If a very active editor has the article on their Watchlist, they are going to look at every edit made and scrutinize it. Unless I think they are clearly in error, I will defer to their judgment. Assume good faith, and all.
I know that if I edit topics that I have very strong feelings about, my edits might be influenced by my bias and I might snap at editors who hold different points of view. I've seen otherwise brilliant editors go over-the-top on articles involving nationality, ethnicity, politics or gender because they saw their editing as a moral duty. Trying to "set the record straight" can cloud your judgment and cause you dismiss editors who view the situation differently and have valid concerns of their own.
I hope you come back from your cool down eager to contribute on less divisive articles. We always need more thoughtful editors to work on the 4M+ articles on the English Misplaced Pages. Liz17:02, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
Thanks Liz. I will talk to the mentor people (I saw your measage to them) and I was thinking I will maybe edit articles about lacrosse and mma stuff. Cavalierman (talk) 18:50, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
...on the new trainee position. I don't think we edit too often in the same areas, but I have always found your Talk page comments sensible. Happy editing! -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:43, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
Oh, thanks, Ssilvers. It's actually the kind of work I like to do. I've been told that I'm too understanding towards probable vandals but I like to give people the benefit of a doubt until I see evidence that someone is being intentionally disruptive. When I changed from a casual editor to a regular one two years, I went to the Teahouse several times, irate about some action I thought was unfair and they were incredibly patient and helpful.
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OccultZone, I believe that admins prefer editors simply close and hat conversations that are withdrawn rather than delete them from the page. That said, I'm not going to undo your removal. Thanks for letting me know. Liz16:27, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
There are many problems yet to be solved. Surely someone will have to take step and I encourage even if one is not allowed by some editors, though clearly allowed by the standards and norms. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 23:04, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
I don't quite understand your statement but I'll assume good faith and hope that you are bringing all of these editors to noticeboards because you think it will improve the encyclopedia and not for other reasons. Liz23:08, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
Gotcha. I'm not really sure that nonadmins should be editing pages regarding sanctions or other admin business, but that's my opinion, I don't know what Future Perfect at Sunrise thinks.
Thanks to you both for helping with the log, and sorry for not finding the time to respond earlier. I have to say I find that new log format the Arbs installed rather confusing; no idea why my entries got misplaced in this way. Fut.Perf.☼17:09, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
After a lengthy research and design process, we decided for WikiProject X to focus on two things:
A WikiProject workflow that focuses on action items: discussions you can participate in and tasks you can perform to improve the encyclopedia; and
An automatically updating WikiProject directory that gives you lists of users participating in the WikiProject and editing in that subject area.
We have a live demonstration of the new WikiProject workflow at WikiProject Women in Technology, a brand new WikiProject that was set up as an adjunct to a related edit-a-thon in Washington, DC. The goal is to surface action items for editors, and we intend on doing that through automatically updated working lists. We are looking into using SuggestBot to generate lists of outstanding tasks, and we are looking into additional options for automatic worklist generation. This takes the burden off of WikiProject editors to generate these worklists, though there is also a "requests" section for Wikipedians to make individual requests. (As of writing, these automated lists are not yet live, so you will see a blank space under "edit articles" on the demo WikiProject. Sorry about that!) I invite you to check out the WikiProject and leave feedback on WikiProject X's talk page.
Once the demo is sufficiently developed, we will be working on a limited deployment on our pilot WikiProjects. We have selected five for the first round of testing based on the highest potential for impact and will scale up from there.
While a re-designed WikiProject experience is much needed, that alone isn't enough. A WikiProject isn't any good if people have no way of discovering it. This is why we are also developing an automatically updated WikiProject directory. This directory will surface project-related metrics, including a count of active WikiProject participants and of active editors in that project's subject area. The purpose of these metrics is to highlight how active the WikiProject is at the given point of time, but also to highlight that project's potential for success. The directory is not yet live but there is a demonstration featuring a sampling of WikiProjects.
Each directory entry will link to a WikiProject description page which automatically list the active WikiProject participants and subject-area article editors. This allows Wikipedians to find each other based on the areas they are interested in, and this information can be used to revive a WikiProject, start a new one, or even for some other purpose. These description pages are not online yet, but they will use this template, if you want to get a feel of what they will look like.
We need volunteers!
WikiProject X is a huge undertaking, and we need volunteers to support our efforts, including testers and coders. Check out our volunteer portal and see what you can do to help us!
As an aside...
Wouldn't it be cool if lists of requested articles could not only be integrated directly with WikiProjects, but also shared between WikiProjects? Well, we got the crazy idea of having experimental software feature Flow deployed (on a totally experimental basis) on the new Article Request Workshop, which seeks to be a place where editors can "workshop" article ideas before they get created. It uses Flow because Flow allows, essentially, section-level categorization, and in the future will allow "sections" (known as "topics" within Flow) to be included across different pages. What this means is that you have a recommendation for a new article tagged by multiple WikiProjects, allowing for the recommendation to appear on lists for each WikiProject. This will facilitate inter-WikiProject collaboration and will help to reduce duplicated work. The Article Request Workshop is not entirely ready yet due to some bugs with Flow, but we hope to integrate it into our pilot WikiProjects at some point.
Wikimedia's monthly GLAM (Galleries, Libraries, Archives, Museums) newsletter now includes a Wikidata report. The draft for the first edition, covering April, may be edited and your contributions will be welcome.
Made label, description and aliases special pages easier to use
Bene* created a new Special:ListProperties special page to list properties by data type
Expanded our set of automated browser tests
Made language fallbacks work in more situations and more consistently. In particular, the entity selector now uses language fallback. This should benefit especially people who want to use Wikidata in a variant such as en-gb.
Continued work on the planned DataModel 3.0 release
Continued discussing and documenting future calendar model support
Continued work on our RDF generator
Continued work on usage tracking for labels on multilingual sites
Addshore worked on various issues regarding redirects
Addshore worked on a special page to turn an item into a redirect
Work on showing entity labels in edit summaries on history pages
Implemented change dispatching based on the new usage tracking mechanism
Fixed issue with page deletions on some Wikipedias not being reported to Wikidata
More work on straightening out date formatting and parsing
Fixed handling of scientific notation for quantity values
Term box: fixed bug causing stale info to be show, and another bug causing babel languages to be ignored sometimes.
Implemented access to other arbitrary items via the #property parser function
Bene* implemented check to make sure two properties can not have the same alias only differing in capitalization
Your ongoing efforts to improve the encyclopedia have not gone unnoticed: You have been selected as Editor of the Week for overlooked housekeeping. Thank you for the great contributions! (courtesy of the Misplaced Pages Editor Retention Project)
I nominate Liz to be Editor of the Week for her willingness to engage in some of the "housekeeping" chores around here and also being a very welcome expert in an area in which we have a lot of problems, social and religious issues. She has roughly 26,000 edits, with about 44% in article space and a lot of often easy to overlook "grunt" edits particularly regarding the categorization of WikiProjects, which is something that it seems many people who create the WikiProjects themselves seem to overlook doing or just don't think to do. She tries to bring the voice of reason to contentious discussions, and assists others in some matters of conduct and in finding some answers. Editors who work behind the scenes and attempt to reach solutions to difficult problems are among the most valuable we can have.
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Thanks again for your efforts! A half dozen additional editors seconded the nomination, including several who suggested Liz would be a strong adminship candidate. For what it's worth, the awarding clerk agrees ! GoPhightins!16:53, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
Wow, thank you John and Go Phightins!! To say I'm surprised is an understatement. Most of my edits, like to categories, are not very visible and go unnoticed. This is quite an honor considering the caliber of editors who have received this award in the past. Thanks again! Liz19:25, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
You more than earned this. Oh, and I think if you review the nomination page here you might see that, if you so choose, there are at least four people who have already indicated that they would at least support your adminship, and/or maybe nominate you, if you ever want to do that to yourself. ;) John Carter (talk) 19:39, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
That's very flattering but I'm more of an organizer and wikignome that an article creator. I've seen a few editors who were light on content creation succeed in an RfA but having a few GAs, FAs or DYKs is considered a minimum admin requirement for a lot of editors. But I appreciate the vote of confidence! Liz20:09, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
John and I do not agree on much these days...but we do agree you are of great benefit to Misplaced Pages. Cheers - Ret.Prof (talk) 22:01, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
Geez, it's about weed? Dollars to donuts I was smoking marijuana before any of you were born.... shit. BMK (talk) 11:48, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
(ec) BMK and Roxy the Viking dog™, it refers to 420 (cannabis culture)...April 20th is a big day on social media for pro-pot users, Happy 420 is already the second highest trending topic on Twitter, right after the Boston Marathon. This subject didn't come up with his edits but the editor uploaded File:Obama 4-20.png which gives it away. Liz11:54, 20 April 2015 (UTC)File:Obama 4-20.png
Could you unclose the thread please? There's still a topic ban discussion ongoing, to deal with what happens to the IP after the block runs out in 2 days time. Bosstopher (talk) 12:11, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
Okay, I'll reverse it, Bosstopher. But if you read the discussion above the topic ban proposal, it's clear that the IP editor is likely to receive an indefinite block for trolling. I don't think a topic ban will be respected since the only editing activity of this editor is trolling Islamic articles. Liz12:16, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
A good answer is one that fits in with the Teahouse expectations of proper conduct: polite, patient, simple, relies on explanations not links, and leaves a talkback notification.
Thanks for your answer. Your answer, combined with the other two answer from other editors, made me completely understand the watchlist. :)DangerousJXD (talk) 21:35, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
Where did he reverted them on their 'own' talk pages? What those cases of AN and AE has to do with this block? AE is not for reporting socks neither AN is, if he did it, then show the proof. Unless the conversation was redirected as such. What "harsh words" did he used? I hope you would rather retract your statements. And please don't talk without the diffs when you are making likely unfounded allegations. Delibzr (talk) 00:39, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
It's late here but I'll try to dig out the diffs tomorrow. The edits are spread out across a lot of talk pages and noticeboards. And one day after that, the block will be over. Liz01:06, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
I would withdraw any of my support if you can prove them, or else I would report to an admin if you didn't came up with the evidence for your claims such as "OZ reverted several admins' edits, sometimes on their own talk pages", "filing more cases at AN, AN/I and AE and seemed to seek out confrontation",(were they all related to SPI?) "he had harsh words for them". If you cannot prove them, then I hope that you would rather retract these statements, we are talking about a block review, not that we are trying to right a bad block by calling out dead issues that were also unblockable. Delibzr (talk) 01:09, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
I said I would locate the diffs tomorrow. I don't keep a sandbox and collect them "just in case". Delibzr, if you are really upset and that is not fast enough for you, go ahead and report me to an admin. Liz01:19, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
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Thank you, Cailil, I appreciate you letting me know what was going on. I wasn't aware that the I-Ban was logged to an ARBCOM case. I thought it was a discretionary sanction or a simple editing restriction so I wasn't sure why it wasn't logged in at WP:EDR.
My curiosity arose because of an instance this week where 4 years ago, an admin (now retired) gave an editing restriction to an editor on their talk page but it wasn't logged in at EDR. When I asked about it and another admin looked into it, it was judged to be an invalid topic ban or an expired ban (or both, it wasn't clear). But now I know to look and see if a block or ban is associated with an ARBCOM case and I really appreciate you bringing this to my attention! Liz14:30, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
Yeah generally if it's from an AE case or as a result of discretionary sanctions (because they are mandated by Arbcom rulings) they'll be on the RfAr page or at WP:DSLOG (most on the latter but not all)--Cailil15:53, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
Hi, Mellowed Fillmore, that's flattering to ask. I have thought about it but I don't currently have the content creation record to pass an RfA right now and I'd rather not go down in flames! I know of a couple of admins who worked in very specific, technical areas who passed with little content creation but it's very uncommon. If I see that expectations have changed in future RfAs or I manage to put together some decent articles from scratch, I might reconsider. Thanks for asking though! Liz16:12, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
For what little it might be worth, if you wanted to do that to yourself, the various redlinks one the pages at Category:WikiProject lists of encyclopedic articles show in at least a lot of cases topics which could have and presumably should have articles that don't exist here yet, and I tend to think that between the various reference books you have available to you by your profession it probably wouldn't be that hard to get at least a few of them up to DYK, GA, and/or FA. John Carter (talk) 16:38, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
You're right, John, it's probably wiser to try to improve articles that exist in a poor state than try to find significant subjects that have yet to be covered on Misplaced Pages. Liz16:40, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
Wow, W.carter, what a surprise! I vividly remember my first days editing Misplaced Pages and how confusing and frustrating it was. I think most errors we see are ones of ignorance and unfamiliarity, not malice or trolling. Thank you though and I hope you are having a great weekend! Liz22:49, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
Wikidata weekly summary #155
Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
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On Tuesday, we are deploying usage tracking (no arbitrary access yet) to Dutch Misplaced Pages and French Wikisource, and subscription tracking on Wikidata. There should be no noticeable changes for users. These are necessary steps towards enabling arbitrary access in clients.
Worked on making language fallback work in the suggester (when adding a new statement or searching for an item)
More work on RDF output and the query service
Added Special:RedirectEntity for redirecting items
Investigated and working to fix JS bug on items with “invalid” values (phabricator:92975)
Did work towards having entity ids in revision histories and in diffs linked with their label (like on watchlists or in the recentchanges)
Hey, thanks. I received the email about inactivity and realised that I had forgotten about WP. I'm currently reading the backlog of the signpost to try and catch up. Cheers, James08623:50, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
No problem, James086, I took a break from July-November 2014 as I kept getting drawn into squabbles and I got tired of the feuding. Now, a lot of those editors have either left or been blocked. Wikibreaks are healthy, I think, as I came back with renewed energy for the project. Liz00:02, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
Tappy fingers
Sorry about the accidental revert. I have a nervous habit of tapping my fingers on the touchpad and moving the mouse pointer around, and occasionally I hit something I shouldn't. In this case, rollback. ―Mandruss☎20:16, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
Hi Liz! I have been having some trouble lately on a page about a man named Kent Hovind. The article currently has an introdution paragraph that is lacking a cite to a claim it makes, and has some false statements. I constantly try to improve it but they keep on reverting my edit. (edit is below)
I do not see why the editors of this page keep on deleting this post. They have directed me to a Wiki rules page but I did not see what I had done wrong.
Also throughout the article they only criticize Kent Hovind and show criticism from Evolutionist and Creationists that Hovind has debated; these people are clearly going to be against Kent Hovind. THe page also has some rather unreliable cites that should be reviewed such as one coming from a man named Michael Shermer that only gives his opinion of Dr. Hovind.
Please review this article, almost everyone in the talk page is saying that this article needs to be either corrected or deleted to be corrected because it lacks neutrality and true information. Kent Hovind himself even said to do either correct it or take it down.
Liz The thing is, if they delete my edit, they are making their article worse because the original does not have a cite and does not show a neutral point of view. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jacob A. Henderson (talk • contribs)
Sigh. If you really want to get sucked into this Liz, check the article and my talk page. Jacob is pushing a fringe view. --NeilN00:51, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
I've had my share of running afoul of the pseudoscience skeptics back in 2013. They are an unmovable force. Liz00:54, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
Liz For some reason, NeilN keeps on removing my external links from the Kent Hovind page. I am literally just providing links to Kent Hovinds videos and debates and he is deleting my posts giving no explaination why. Please stop him from doing this, he is abusing his power over this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jacob A. Henderson (talk • contribs) 15:21, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
Jacob and Liz. I am also one of the people removing the links to the Kent Hovind page. Kent Hovind has never provided scientific evidence for his claims. The only evidence he has ever produced is biblical references and pseudoscience nonsense. Please consult WP:RS for what is and what is not a reliable source. PS: Youtube is not a reliable source. CanadianLinuxUser (talk) 15:30, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
As I (and others) said, Jacob, YouTube is not considered a reliable source. And it is not in my power to prevent anyone from doing anything on Misplaced Pages. If you can't resolve this dispute on the article talk page (which should always be your first option), the only recourse you have is to complain on a noticeboard but there is always the potential for that move to backfire as your own conduct will be scrutinized. As for me getting involved in this, I have really sought to keep out of the pseudoscience area as it only brought me grief. My support for embattled editors was viewed as supporting their point-of-view which was not true.
My advice to you is to listen to those who oppose you and work within the framework of Misplaced Pages rules regarding this subject area. If you go to battle over this matter, it will end badly for you and it will not help improve the articles you are concerned about. Once your POV is labeled fringe, you become a target and it's best to go work on some uncontroversial articles to show you're a dependable contributor. And if you are just completely exasperated and frustrated, come and vent at the Teahouse where at least you will find a sympathetic ear. It's better than lashing out and finding yourself indefinitely blocked. Liz16:01, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
BTW, I added a link to Hovind's YouTube channel which was not linked to by his official site. I hope this mollifies Jacob somewhat. --NeilN16:17, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for doing that NeilN but this still doesn't explain why you are deleting my introduction paragraph. I provide what he actually does, and he does not only provide scripture as you claim, but he provides evidence, quotes, science facts, and scripture in order to validate the bible. (Note: I am talking about all of his videos not just his first) Also at least I do not use a biased statement saying that his theories are not scientific and not even explain why. I provide what he actually does, a quote, and what people think of him like Michael Shermer. Please allow my paragraph to be posted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jacob A. Henderson (talk • contribs) 16:24, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
Sorry, I'm done talking about your paragraph with you. I and others have repeatedly explained why it's problematic. --NeilN16:47, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
Jacob, for the last time, we have explained this to you on the Kent Hovind talk page, on your page and here. The Hovind Theory is entirely rejected in the scientific community, and its plausibility has been criticized by other Young Earth creationists. Therefore, your edit is rejected. CanadianLinuxUser (talk) 16:50, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
Need Advice about a recent thread on ANI
Hi, first of all I don't know whether this is the proper place to discuss this, so please feel free to move this or tell me to move this to a more appropriate location. I feel confortable approaching you since I respect your judgement. There is a thread at ANI wp:ANI#User:Drjamesphillips which you closed recently. Since then, I have had some second thoughts about it.
It concluded by someone with checkuser stating that three accounts were socks and all three were blocked. This all looks good so far, but I am concerned because Leminspire states earlier in the thread that he works with Drjamesphillips. Now if they both edit from work, this would give them the same IP, making them look a lot like socks. Furthermore, if for instance, they have the same breaks, or took some Misplaced Pages time together, or Leminspire was teaching Drjamesphillips, well they might even have spookily similar editing times.
Furthermore, I have interracted briefly on-wiki with both of these accounts and they have very different manners. Leminspire is, well frankly, rude and tends to fly off the handle whereas Drjamesphillips seemed not to be that way. Anyway, I was a little worried by that point so I checked to see if there had been a more formal investigation at SPI. I could not find one. Perhaps it is there and I just can't find it. Maybe you can help me with that.
So basically, my concerns are two-fold. First of all there is the matter that I worry that this association between the three accounts may be a false positive. Secondly, I worry about what looks to me like an unsollicited use of CheckUser. I am very confused on these points and how to proceed and would greatly appreciate advice and guidance.
On another note, there is the comment by you that Drjamesphillips was not acting like a new editor. I have seen comments like this several times as I go around responding to help requests. I really am very confused about this. I seriously considered joining the new pages patrol very early on in my time on Misplaced Pages, so that never struck me as odd. I feel that there is some unwritten expectation of what a new account should do and I do not know what it is, or how people tell that someone is or is not acting like a new Wikipedian. I feel this situation may be further confused because, if a new Wikipedian begins editing in the physical presence of another Wikipedian who can help them, this may eliminate some of the learning curve.
Anyways, sorry for the long post. It is just that while I agree Misplaced Pages must be protected from malicious socks etc., I am having serious second thoughts about this particular issue, and the expectations regarding new user behaviour in general. Thank you for any advice or information. Happy Squirrel(Please let me know how to improve!) 02:03, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
I understand your concern. I've often gone to look for SPI reports regarding an account identified as a sock and not found any. It is my understanding that CUs run checks outside of official sockpuppet investigations if there are suspicions of socking. It troubles me that there is no paper trail or record of these checks but I've been told several times that I need to just trust and assume good faith on the part of checkusers. CUs are known for not disclosing much detail about their checks but I'll @Ponyo: to see if they want to add anything to this conversation. If they don't respond, you might go to their talk page and pose your questions there.
As far as new editor behavior, the account was only two days old when it was blocked. Most new editors start by editing articles either of subjects that interest them or they are just reading an article, see a typo and fix it. It typically takes a few weeks or months before they are even aware of areas like administrative noticeboards or processes like the new pages patrol. WP:NPP is especially sensitive because it involves tagging articles for deletion that are frequently articles by new editors and this requires knowledge of the appropriate criteria for speedy deletion and knowledge of expectations for the quality of articles suitable for Misplaced Pages. This familiarity can be gained in a few weeks but it's not a task for a one or two day old account and the fact they were able to even locate the new pages patrol page is suspicious. You have been here three months and while you don't have a great number of edits, your participation shows a familiarity with Misplaced Pages that a two day old account from a new editor wouldn't ordinarily have.
Thanks, that makes sense. I have read through a lot of the documentation at wp:NPP and found no mention that it is not for brand new users. Should there maybe be a mention on there? If so, how would I suggest one. I am also repeating the ping because yours was short an opening curly bracket. @Ponyo:. Happy Squirrel(Please let me know how to improve!) 12:57, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
Well, NeilN, I'm a fan of the show so I knew about the Caskett fans but I never saw anyone react so strongly to deny reality. I guess as long as both actors were single, they could imagine that the pair were an actual couple. Liz10:12, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
Headers
Since you are a clerk at don't you think that such headings should be neutral? "Response to accusations" and not "Response to egregious accusations", as long as he hasn't backed such claim even with 1 diff. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 08:58, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
Since I'm a trainee (I just started clerking a month ago), I'll ask about it on the clerks email list to see if altering the headers is something that clerks can or should do. Liz10:14, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
OccultZone, I received a mixed response from the arbitration clerks on the email list but all replies included informing the editors who commented about the heading changes which I have done. Liz14:25, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
Hey Liz. Just saying, I think that was a bad call. Calling accusations "egregious" seems like reasonable language, based on the accusations that OccultZone was making. If the heading was a personal attack, it'd be different, but there's nothing saying that the headings need to be neutral. Worm(talk) 14:46, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
If you are fiddling with headers though, do you want to up the level of User:Nick's additional statement, so it's a sub header? Unless he fancies doing it himself Worm(talk) 14:50, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
Worm That Turned, as I said, I received mixed responses on the correctness of removing this one word and I should have waited to hear from more clerks and arbitrators before acting. I see now that there was no urgency about the situation although the vote is pretty close.
I have been corrected and I have apologized to both Bgwhite and Swarm that I neglected to add that they should feel free to revert my deletion if they so choose. I don't have high hopes that it might sway Swarm's recent decision to withdraw from Misplaced Pages but it was my error and I do hope he returns. Liz18:08, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
Don't worry yourself too much, its all a learning curve. Swarm is annoyed with the rest of the case more than anything else I'm sure, I think this was just a straw that broke the camel's back. Worm(talk) 21:09, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
Well, even though I got the go ahead to delete that word, some folks were quite upset with me. Maybe this is something I need to get used to as a clerk...you can get in trouble for doing too much or for doing too little. Yes, the case request is lasting longer than I thought it would...probably nerves all around are a little frayed. Liz21:14, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
FYI, FWIW
As I am certain the following comment is almost certain to be deleted immediately from Rationalobserve's talk, I am recopying here:
I am absolutely certain that this comment will be deleted immediately from this talk page, but I must note, for the record, that RO did post at WT:IPNA where I am a member: here. Which is how I wound up at Irataba. Montanabw 00:52, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
I feel like you should run for being an admin if you aren't already, you do a good job here on wiki handling editors while keeping calm =) - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 22:22, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
That's very flattering to say, Knowledgekid87, I appreciate your kind words. However, most of my editing has been gnomish work or work in categories, not content creation. I'm more of an organizer. It's difficult if not impossible to pass an RfA without some substantial contribution to articles and I don't see that activity in the immediate future. It could happen though, you never know! Again, my thanks and have a good weekend. Liz22:27, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
No, I didn't. I've gone to several of their campuses for meetings/conferences but I was never a student there nor did I ever teach there. Are you from Rutgers? Liz06:55, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
But, Serendipodous, can you confirm that you didn't publish Traffic Reports regularly until June 2013? I'm just trying to make sure the Signpost archives are complete and I haven't missed any pages. Since very few of the Signpost articles were categorized (none except those featuring different WikiProjects), the only way to know that articles exist are the contents list of each issue or to search for an article by guessing its possible title. There is no judgment here, I just want to make sure I'm not missing any Traffic reports in the first half of 2013. Liz12:46, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
We rolled out usage tracking on the first two wikis (French Wikisource and Dutch Misplaced Pages). Users should not notice anything. More wikis will follow in the next weeks. This is the remaining step for enabling arbitrary access on wikis other than Commons.
The students team is working hard to get a first release of the improved constraint reports and checks against 3rd party databases out.
Ricordisamoa fixed the issue with long descriptions being cut off.
We fixed the focus flow in the property selector.
We improved the messages on Special:EntityData to make it more understandable.
The second round one has all wrapped up, and round three has now begun! Congratulations to the 34 contestants who have made it through, but well done and thank you to all contestants who took part in our second round. Leading the way overall was Cas Liber (submissions) in Group B with a total of 777 points for a variety of contributions including Good Articles on Corona Borealis and Microscopium - both of which received the maximum bonus.
Special credit must be given to a number of high importance articles improved during the second round.
Coemgenus (submissions) was one of several users who worked on improving Ulysses S. Grant. Remember, you do not need to work on an article on your own - as long as each person has completed significant work on the article during 2015, multiple competitors can claim the same article.
The points varied across groups, with the lowest score required to gain automatic qualification was 68 in Group A - meanwhile the second place score in Group H was 404, which would have been high enough to win all but one of the other Groups! As well as the top two of each group automatically going through to the third round, a minimum score of 55 was required for a wildcard competitor to go through. We had a three-way tie at 55 points and all three have qualified for the next round, in the spirit of fairness. The third round ends on June 28, with the top two in each group progressing automatically while the remaining 16 highest scorers across all four groups go through as wildcards. Good luck to all competitors for the third round! Figureskatingfan (talk·contribs·email), Miyagawa (talk·contribs·email) and Sturmvogel 66 (talk·contribs·email) 16:39, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for defending me on my ANI reporting of a particular individual. At least I'm not the only one who thought it was not acceptable. — Calvin99919:15, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
Well, User:Calvin999, the comments were incivil and rude but, unfortunately, brusque behavior is very common online although people are generally more polite on Misplaced Pages than they are in article comments sections or in the message board world. Part of the bruqueness comes from the fact that these interactions are not face-to-face and also it is due to differing levels of experience editing on the project. Editors who have been here 8 or 10 years have seen it all and are often quite direct and do not believe in pleasantries. If you are interested in more collaborative editing, I recommend finding a WikiProject on a subject that interests you. You are more likely to find like minded people if you have a common interest, there are hundreds of WikiProjects, and it can be very fulfilling to work together on bringing up the quality of an article about something you find interesting. You've been here a while so you might be familiar with them but I just thought I'd mention them because I know they've really helped people find their niche to work in on Misplaced Pages. Liz19:32, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. I have been on here myself for over 5 years and made a lot of contributions. I just thought the the way I was spoken to was out of order and not necessary at all. — Calvin99919:59, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the update, Pharos! I know it is a lot of work to put these events together but I enjoyed the 2014 event so much, I was hoping that it would be an annual event, or, at least, biannual. Thanks again! Liz16:45, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
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Continued working on RDF export
More work on making it possible to add a reference right away when adding a statement (and allowing the full statement incl references to be edited at the same time)
Did more work to make usage tracking possible on multilingual wikis (namely Commons)
You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our next evening "WikiWednesday" salon and knowledge-sharing workshop by 14th Street / Union Square in Manhattan.
This month will also feature on our agenda: recent and upcoming editathons, the organization's Annual Meeting, and Chapter board elections.
We also hope for the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects. We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming editathons, and other outreach activities.
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Word counts
Hi, Liz. Using that word-count tool you shared, I get that Karanacs' word count (not counting the statement that was copied over from the RFAR) is 999, and that my word count (not counting my RFAR statement) is 1948. Roger told me yesterday that I can have 2000 words.
Can we get straight on this? If we're counting the RFAR statements that were moved over, I think both Karanacs (720+999=1719) and I (698+1948=2596) are over our word-count limit. Otherwise, I think we're OK. Lightbreather (talk) 19:09, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
Hi, Lightbreather, I followed the clerks' procedures on evidence length that says to user a word counter and "simply copy and paste the entire statement, excluding the final signature, into the text box there." I checked with the arbitrators on the clerks-l list and they said this was correct.
Lightbreather, I had copied the text using the Edit feature and this gives a different word count from copying and pasting from the regular page. I've adjusted yours accordingly and I'll ask @L235: to double-check my totals. Sorry for the mix-up. Liz19:52, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
Everything currently checks out. You're both good to go :). By the way, Liz, in the future, when quoting the clerks' procedure or any other policy, or indeed any comment, I find it useful to use the {{tq}} template. It makes it clearly stand out as a quote but not intrusively, and it's always clear where the quote starts and ends. For example, {{tq|test}} yields test. Hope that helped. Thanks! --L235 (t / c / ping in reply) 21:57, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
Thank you, L235. I appreciate it. Still learning the ropes. I do usually use {{tq|test}} when I'm quoting a talk page comment but I haven't had to really quote policy pages often. I'll do that in the future. Thanks again! Liz22:05, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
Hi LIZ! Thank you for your comment on the AfD. I have a question. The mention of Andreas' comments about 9/11 are very fondly remembered by a very large smalltalk community. Would you vote to keep if that was left in or should that go too? I'm happy to remove the other eulegies. I was trying to show that Andreas was notable to very important people, as indeed he was. He was, for many years, in a group of 4 outstanding developers that did incredible work. Work that continues today and will, in my opinion, make major changes to how we program systems in the future. Thank you for taking the time to review the article. Itsmeront (talk) 00:46, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
Itsmeront, if you look at profiles of other academics or computer programmers, they don't have sentimental tributes included in them. I'm not saying Raab wasn't a wonderful person and an inspiring teacher, it's just that this content doesn't have a place in an encyclopedic entry. What I'm trying to say is that your chances of winning over a "Keep" decision is increased if you remove it. If you really find this difficult, you can try to include the text as a footnote or textual note but not in the main body of the article. Liz01:07, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
Hi Liz! If you have a chance could you review the article again? I have tried to add more reliable third-party sources. Thanks! Itsmeront (talk) 01:34, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
A question regarding some policies.
Ello Liz, been a while, sorry for barging in with a question but you are one of the one that I have good faith in with a question.
As I have been canvassing before as stated and the "forum" policy goes against the talk page where things can be brought up. As such I wonder if it's allowed to use forum lines/threads to bring up a perspective from tertiary sources which are not articles to inject some view that may help articles. and since I got canvas warning due to the action, what options do I have to bring up discussions from outside sources of people that do have an interest in article but are not enabled to write in the talk pages? Such as forums/Threads of where the article is being critized/opiniated?
Canvassing is frowned on, TheRealVordox, and I'm not sure what you mean by "forum lines". Are you talking about noticeboards or talk pages? Misplaced Pages doesn't have forums, like a message board has. Can you be specific about what you are trying to argue for/against and what sources you want to use to present your case? Liz14:51, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
Basically and bluntly, certain threads in any tertiary forums/blogposts/etc that speak about articles (Even if they have a bias in the thread or article but gives a perspective worth looking in) and these threads critize articles of interest. Is there an option of bringing these in just for simple discussion in talk pages without any hindrances? (Sadly, it's related to GamerGate article for the moment, such as William Usher's Blogs about WikiArticle or KiA or other forums/Blog Articles that seem to have some credentials.) I'm asking you about this since what I've seen have a better grasp of the rules about Wiki (Five Pillars especially) and experience to back it up, and I've yet not seen any way of inputting critique from external common people that speak outside of wiki. TheRealVordox (talk) 03:22, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
Hi
I am user User:AHLM13, who has been just blocked. I saw that you left a comment on my userpage. I wrote something on my talk page, and you can read. I did not attack Admin Anna Frodesiak, it is a sockpuppet of zordanlighter who pretend to be me. I asked to a checkuser if he can prove this. Thanks --Ahlm85 (talk) 14:23, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
That's not what the checkuser says, Ahlm85, so I don't believe you. But you don't have to convince me, you need to convince an administrator and creating more sock accounts to talk about your block doesn't help your case. Go through the proper channels to get unblocked. Liz14:48, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
to DIFF DIFF DIFF
affect my word count? Also, can I just put one signature at the bottom of my evidence to save on words? Faceless Enemy (talk) 01:37, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
Would you please re-count it when you have a chance? I think I'm basically done. I don't know what the markup language is, so I don't know if I'm just over or just under. Faceless Enemy (talk) 14:12, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
Of course. Markup language is just the wiki language (like user talk, <small>, Special:Contributions/Liz, etc.) that is part of the formatting or links but not part of the content. Liz14:43, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
Faceless Enemy, I have the word count at 439 but you were pretty close to 500 words any way. While it varies from case to case, the arbitrators were advising not to give any notices unless the word count approached 600 words or more. Liz14:48, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
Past: Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing) spoke about authority control in Wikidata (and sister projects) at the World Digital Library's Arab Peninsula Regional Group Symposium, organised in conjunction with the Qatar National Library, in Doha on 13 May. His slides, with an Arabic translation, will be online soon.
Past: Wikidata editing workshop at the Wikimedia Conference in Berlin
Past: Wikidata workshop for archivists of Catalan City of Justice
Upcoming: MediaWiki hackathon in Lyon
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Elections for the board of the Wikimedia Foundation are ongoing. Wikidata should be well represented among the voters. Go and vote!
Dutch Misplaced Pages and French Wikisource now have the arbitrary access feature. Persian Misplaced Pages, English Wikivoyage and Hebrew Misplaced Pages are following today. Italian Misplaced Pages and all remaining Wikisource projects are following on June 1st.
English Misplaced Pages is running a bot to add authority control templates to many articles that are filled completely from Wikidata. Italian Misplaced Pages is doing so as well.
Thanks for asking me for my opinion, WhatamIdoing. I offered my first impression but I think you really need to hear from other people, especially those who are relatively new to filing vandalism complaints, to find out what would have been useful to them. Liz20:20, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
I usually only close AN/I cases once an action has been taken by an admin, Stalwart111. But the discussion had deteriorated and the main parties seemed to have departed. But Liz13:32, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
A quick question
Hi Liz, Many thanks for your input at WP:AEhere. I had a quick question - by "RfC" did you mean "Request for Closure", as in my previous comment, or did you mean the more usual usage "Request for Comment"? Happy either way, just wanted to be sure. - Ryk7200:18, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
Co-author for Signpost Op-Ed?
On another note, in line with my post on Gamaliel's Talk page, would you be interested in co-authoring an Op-Ed for the Signpost? On WP:DUCK->WP:SOCK blocks; sort of a "pros & cons" of them (with reference to Editor Retention & Disruptive Editing?). I thought we might be able to provide well-reasoned contrasting opinions. Assuming that the editors think it's a worthwhile topic, of course. Please let me know if you'd be interested, and if you have any questions. Regards, - Ryk7200:25, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for asking, Ryk72, but I'm sure of what my position is or if it would be in opposition to yours. To be honest, I dislike the WP:DUCK rationale for blocking because it just relies on admins' instinct and judgement, not proof of any wrong-doing. And every DUCK block that I've ever seen is indefinite and I've seen them given out after less than a half dozen edits. Either admins have a more acute and finely attuned sense of recognizing sock accounts than I imagine or it is a harsh block that doesn't allow any challenges, most often because it is applied to new accounts and if they aren't socks, they sure haven't a clue on how they are to go about getting unblocked. So, I guess that is my position. It's a powerful tool and if misused, it can have really bad consequences. Liz00:43, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
Hi Liz, Many thanks for the quick response. Our thoughts very much align, and while it would be possible for one of us to "play the Devil's Advocate", on reflection, that might seem disingenuous. The "purpose" of the proposed Op-Ed is to have Admins, and the wider community, consider exactly the issues that you have mentioned. Having been "on the receiving end" of such a block, I can say it is very frustrating to not have a viable way out of the situation. If I put some high-level thoughts (a draft of sorts) together, I might ask if you could review & improve. No implication of a requirement, of course - Ryk7202:08, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
I've been editing here since 2007 and standards haven't changed too much, except for BLPs. Notability and minimum sourcing were always key concepts. In fact, I used to do NPP in past years and I think article creators have a somewhat easier time of it now, with exhortations to patrol from the back of the queue and trouts to editors who tag even remotely feasible articles too quickly. --NeilN19:07, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
NeilN, what I saw was a stalemate between three parties, going back and forth, each exclaiming that the other editor wasn't listening to them. I was trying to offer a third option that could accommodate both the productivity of the article creator as well as the critique that this particular article wasn't up to Misplaced Pages standards of quality. It looked like a battleground between two sides, one of whom was going to "win" while the other lost (and probably quit editing), and I was offering a way to, hopefully, improve the quality without the article creator feeling insulted, which he clearly feels.
And, personally, given some of the abysmal articles I've seen that were created around 2005-2008, standards have been raised substantially or perhaps it is the new pages patrol that has gotten especially vigilant in quickly deleting articles they see as substandard. I'm sure you have seen at the Teahouse that the most common complaint (by far) is from new editors who have created an article and find it deleted before they can turn it into a stronger article. A few of them stay and try to create a better version but I think most of them just leave and don't return to editing because they find it a waste of their time and a dispiriting experience to have their work summarily deleted. And, no, they know nothing about deletion review, they just know that their work is gone.
I reread your comment about NPP and find your perception that things are easier now to be very interesting and not what I would have expected. It's not the type of work I like to do so you probably have a better feel for it than I. I'm glad that those editors who tend to rank themselves by how many articles they can get deleted are getting some trouts these days. Liz19:25, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
Wikidata weekly summary #159
Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
Wikidata descriptions can be soon be edited in the Misplaced Pages iOS app.
A early preview of the official SPARQL endpoint for Wikidata has been created to query Wikidata. Remember that it is not stable and still beta. A short introduction to SPARQL can be found in Lucie's slides.
If you are not familiar with SPARQL yet, a tool has been created by Tpt and Bene* to generate SPARQL queries from natural language questions.
To do SPARQL queries from the command line, a command line tool was crafted by Marius.
The special page to query for badges is within reach.
A feedback session on the architecture of Wikibase was held.
We got a cool presentation by Maxime about inventaire.io.
We figured out the next steps to make Wikidata more mobile friendly.
Hi Liz, regarding this. I think that restriction is only for the GG article and it's talk page, not the whole topic area. — Strongjam (talk) 01:36, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
Okay, I'll check in with Zad and revert myself and issue an apology if I made a mistaken. Liz10:45, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
No one seems interested in responding, so if you know anyone who might be able to fix the problem, please let them know. Serendious21:16, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
I knew there had to be a reason. I wish I knew someone in WMF technical area to ask about it, Serendipodous, but I don't. I'll chime in on that thread to keep it active. Liz21:19, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
Cullen328, I just went ahead, made the question less specific, and asked it on the Teahouse talk page. I was trying to get your take on a situation but I think it's a question worth larger consideration. But damn that Misplaced Pages email system! ;-) Liz21:10, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
Different diff, definitely
I'm sure everyone knew what you meant anyway, but in your notifications about AC's decline of the A1candidate/CAM clarification request you seem to have cited the wrong diff -- something to do with the Rick Ross / Scientology request. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 02:07, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
Short Brigade Harvester Boris, I used the last diff before the CAM clarification was removed from the page, the last version of the page where the request was on the page. But I probably should have used the next diff where the section was deleted so I'll change that. Thanks for the notice. Liz09:21, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
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The Herald (submissions) during the second round.
Cas Liber (submissions) in Group B with a total of 777 points for a variety of contributions including Good Articles on Corona Borealis and Microscopium - both of which received the maximum bonus.
Coemgenus (submissions) was one of several users who worked on improving Ulysses S. Grant. Remember, you do not need to work on an article on your own - as long as each person has completed significant work on the article during 2015, multiple competitors can claim the same article.
Cwmhiraeth (submissions) took Dragonfly to Good Article for a 3x bonus - and if that wasn't enough, they also took Damselfly there as well for a 2x bonus.
LeftAire (submissions) worked up Alexander Hamilton to Good Article for the maximum bonus. Hamilton was one of the founding fathers of the United States and is a level 4 vital article.
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