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Your submission at Articles for creation: Confluence Sensemaking Framework (June 25)

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June 2015

You need to read WP:BRD together with WP:RS. If you want to connect a partial understanding of a single reference to a software product to draw a conclusion about the efficacy of a sense making framework then you need a source that makes that connection. WP:WEIGHT also applies as cheery picking one source when there are many others breaks policies, The self-evident fact that you are doing this for your own commercial purposes also breaks WP:COI.

Whatever your edit has been reverted so you now have to gain support of other editors to make that change, and in accordance with policy. If you revert without that its edit warring and can be subject to sanction. ----Snowded 19:33, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

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So you can read the policy. Suggest you reflect, otherwise I'm posting the issue to the relevant notice board for action ----Snowded 20:11, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Its really funny that you who claims to have invented Cynefin accuses me of a conflict of interest. It is you who as that conflict and should have never reverted my addition. --Hvgard (talk) 20:38, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Sigh, read the policy and safe us all a lot of time going through the process ----Snowded 20:43, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Who is this "all"? Thus far it seems it is just you. So if you would refrain from reverting edits that are not favourable to your commercial interest and leave it to the other to come to a balance view of the worth of Cynefin/Sensemaking it would all be so much more productive. So please restrain yourself a bit and let this clear up by itself. --Hvgard (talk) 05:21, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Only warning

As an established user, you should know that neither hoaxing nor original research is appropriate. When you made this edit, you were well aware that the statement "In 2014 doubts were raised regarding the solidity of the approach when the IRC" was not supported by http://www.irc.nl, and you were also well aware that nothing addressing the concept of "Cynefin" was said in the other source: either that, like the first citation, is a hoax, or it requires original research. Neither will be tolerated: I have protected the page to prevent such editing, and if you persist after protection expires, you will be blocked as a means of enforcing our policies. Nyttend (talk) 11:42, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

If you are serious about this I suggest to also prevent persons who have great commercial interest in protecting the contents of a page to be all over it in such a way that novel input gets no chance to be honed over time.Hvgard (talk) 12:22, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Conflict of interest in Misplaced Pages

Hi Harold - I work on conflict of interest issues here in Misplaced Pages. I just finished discussing COI issues with Snowded, who has agreed not to directly edit the Cynefin article going forward due to his COI. He has said that you might have some conflict of interest with regard to that concept. I noticed that you added content to your User page recently (dif. Not being an expert in your field, I cannot parse if any of that adds up to a COI for Cynefin or to an realworld (RW) dispute with David Snowden. Can you please let me know if you have any RW disputes, commitments, or relationships that read on your editing here? thanks Jytdog (talk) 23:27, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Hi Jytdog, THANKS for stepping in. I was hoping this would happen one day. Happy to learn that Snowded from now on won't edit the Cynefin page directly. This will greatly help to get a more balanced version of it over the next months.

On my COI. That is a good question. Like thousands on this globe I use the Cynefin model and my company uses it too. As you can see http://storyconnect.nl/models/?lang=en we use a selection of models. I think its natural that a diversity of practitioners write and improve pages like the Cynefin page so that a balanced view of its history, applicability-domain, related concepts, criticisms (or maybe just 'limits of usefulness'), etc. can emerge. It seems to me that Snowded has difficulty understanding that and seems to call any edit either vandalism or accuses someone of a COI.

On a RW dispute. If you would ask Snowded he will say I have. If you ask me, no I don't. Snowded has - as said above - the habit of assuming that when someone is not 100% on his side he/she is 100% against him. So I'm far from being the only one. Let me put it this way: if anyone who doesn't agree 100% with Snowded cannot edit the Cynefin page because of a RW conflict there might be too few people left to improve the page :-) On the other hand, I'm pretty sure there will be some 100% supporters that will step in now .......

So again, HAPPY to see this step and PLEASE watch me too :-) I'm not THAT experienced in this Misplaced Pages ecology, but when things get some time to mature, when others are allowed to build on each others work, nice things can happen.Hvgard (talk) 07:10, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. I just walked through your contributions and as far as I can see all of them are related to the work that Story Connect does. On your Userpage, you don't name Story Connect nor say what it does, nor clearly name the articles where you have a COI. Would you please add something like. "I am a founder and principal of Story Connect, a company that provides contract research and consulting services that help our customers better understand their organizations, markets, and customers. I have a conflict of interest with regard to the following Misplaced Pages articles, since these are concepts and tools that Story Connect uses in as it provides its services or are otherwise related to its business: A, B, C." and please list them out. Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 12:50, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Hi Jytdog, hope you like my additions to my user page and COI description.Hvgard (talk) 17:42, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks that is great. OK, now, hard part perhaps. Will you please agree to not directly edit the articles where you have a COI, but instead offer suggestions on the Talk page only? I note that you have been drafting articles about your work. Generally it is OK to do that (see this recent discussion) but a) please put them through the AfC process and do not directly create the article; and b) once it goes live, you need to stop directly editing the article. Are you OK with all that? Thx. Jytdog (talk) 20:36, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Please reply. Jytdog (talk) 07:29, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Ah, you mean the PNI and CSF drafts. Both are not my work. Like I created the Cynefin page in 2006 I'm now gradually creating these pages while references are appearing or in the making. Ofcourse, these will be published using the formal procedures.

Hvgard (talk) 19:48, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

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I am very unhappy with the stuff you wrote about tweeting on my Talk page. please read my response there and reply there. Jytdog (talk) 08:02, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Do NOT discuss other editors

Hello, I'm Jytdog. I noticed that you made a comment on the page Cynefin that didn't seem very civil, so it has been removed. Misplaced Pages needs people like you and me to collaborate, so it's one of our core principles to interact with one another in a polite and respectful manner. If you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you.

Misplaced Pages is not a place for you to carry out your dispute with Dave. Do not write things like "OK, so now its up to Snowded to prove he choose the name" as you did here. If you continue personalizing this I will seek to have you topic-banned. Concentrate on the mission of WP - to create a reliable, neutral source of information for the public, not on your financial or academic interests, not on your dispute with David.

You can restore your comment if you want, without the reference to Dave. Jytdog (talk) 07:28, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Userpage issue

This is about your Userpage: User:Hvgard. It is not OK how it stands. Please read WP:FAKEARTICLE. That is policy. Please read that whole policy. Please read the part WP:UPYES for what is OK to have on your userpage. All I was looking for was a brief disclosure of your COI - this part: User:Hvgard#Business. Please fix your userpage, or i will have to nominate it for deletion. Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 07:39, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Removed lots of article like stuff. Only minor personal, essential business and COI info now. OK this way? Hvgard (talk) 07:54, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Please do not refer to yourself in the third person on your own userpage. Jytdog (talk) 08:01, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, done. Still learning. OK now? Hvgard (talk) 08:11, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

fine thanks Jytdog (talk) 08:21, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Last warning

The next comment you make on the Talk page referring to Dave directly or indirectly, or his company, I will bring this matter to ANI and I am fairly confident that the result will be, that you will be topic banned. I have warned you several times. Your comments are directed time and again to protecting your interests and to pursuing your real world dispute with him. Both are an abuse of your editing privileges. This is the last warning. Jytdog (talk) 20:05, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Indenting

Howdy, I recommend that you read up on WP:INDENT, concerning your posts :) GoodDay (talk) 21:00, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Done :-)

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