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| ::::*] I can now accept the hook fact that Hinawi is a Christian as verified from the kindly added by Epeefleche. ] (]) 18:13, 30 June 2015 (UTC) | ::::*] I can now accept the hook fact that Hinawi is a Christian as verified from the kindly added by Epeefleche. ] (]) 18:13, 30 June 2015 (UTC) | ||
| :::::*] Hi, I came by looking for bios to promote. {{ping|Epeefleche}} is there some reason why you're not identifying him as a "Christian Arab"? I think that might get more hits. ] (]) 14:29, 10 July 2015 (UTC) | :::::*] Hi, I came by looking for bios to promote. {{ping|Epeefleche}} is there some reason why you're not identifying him as a "Christian Arab"? I think that might get more hits. ] (]) 14:29, 10 July 2015 (UTC) | ||
| ::::::*@Yoninah -- Sorry for the delay responding. Been away on vacation. I'm fine with either. I thought that the more surprising/hookier fact would be that he is Christian, than that he is Arab -- as there are far more Israeli Arab citizens (20.7 per cent of Israelis) than Christian citizens (2.1 per cent of Israelis) ... which is why I thought that that would attract more interest. And should be stressed in the hook. But either strike me as fine. ] (]) 00:17, 13 July 2015 (UTC) | |||
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Marc Hinawi
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- ... that swimmer Marc Hinawi (pictured), who won a bronze medal representing Israel at the 2015 European Games, is Christian?
- Reviewed: Mary Katherine Fechtel
Created by Epeefleche (talk). Self-nominated at 22:33, 26 June 2015 (UTC).
Date of creation OK; length of article OK; sufficiently referenced; no close paraphrasing noticed. Hook is good length; hook image is acceptably licensed; but hook fact that he is a Christian is only supported by a facebook page (referring to "Mark" Hinawi), which is not considered a reliable source. I tried and failed to find more reliable sources for his religion, so please either find a reliable source or suggest an alternative hook. BabelStone (talk) 12:55, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
- Epeefleche replied on my talk page with the observation that per WP:FACEBOOK an official facebook page may be used as an RS primary source if it has been authenticated, and that the page in question is authenticated by facebook as belonging to the Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs. However, WP:FACEBOOK actually states that "the official page of a subject may be used as a self-published, primary source, but only if it can be authenticated as belonging to the subject", and the subject in this case is Marc Hinawi, and obviously the facebook page of the Israel MFA does not belong to him, so I still think that the facebook page cannot be used to verify the hook assertion that Hinawi is a Christian. The other sources recently added to the article that state that Hinawi's father is a Christian are still not sufficient to prove for the purposes of DYK that Marc Hinawi is himself a Christian. I suggest proposing an alternative hook, but welcome second opinions from DYK regulars. BabelStone (talk) 19:13, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
- As I indicated to Babel on his talkpage, those were only my preliminary observations (I was still looking at the matter). First point - with the help of Yoninah, I've now added another ref - from an interview with the subject of the article - to support the statement. The statement also supported by the Israeli government ref that Babel questions, which is a "verified" page. Of the government -- the Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs. A page with the blue "verified" badge notation, verifying that it has been authenticated. And this fact is consistent of course with (even though not proved by) the fact, supported by other RS refs, that his father is Christian, and has indicated as much in his own interview.
- Second point - Babel's concern with the fact that the transliterated "Mark" was used instead of the transliterated "Marc" is, as I indicated tp Babel, misplaced. Obviously (I would have thought) the government was referring to the same person, as one can easily tell from context. Such as not only that he also is an Israeli national champion swimmer from Jaffa with the same surname as well, but that his photograph is clearly of the same person ... indeed, it is the one used in this article. Epeefleche (talk) 22:45, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
I can now accept the hook fact that Hinawi is a Christian as verified from the additional reference kindly added by Epeefleche. BabelStone (talk) 18:13, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
- Hi, I came by looking for bios to promote. @Epeefleche: is there some reason why you're not identifying him as a "Christian Arab"? I think that might get more hits. Yoninah (talk) 14:29, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
- @Yoninah -- Sorry for the delay responding. Been away on vacation. I'm fine with either. I thought that the more surprising/hookier fact would be that he is Christian, than that he is Arab -- as there are far more Israeli Arab citizens (20.7 per cent of Israelis) than Christian citizens (2.1 per cent of Israelis) ... which is why I thought that that would attract more interest. And should be stressed in the hook. But either strike me as fine. Epeefleche (talk) 00:17, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
