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::Really? I would say that a former Speaker of the US House of Representatives meets RD standards and would support posting such a nomination. -] (]) 16:57, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
::Really? I would say that a former Speaker of the US House of Representatives meets RD standards and would support posting such a nomination. -] (]) 16:57, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
:::Would you also support posting the other 50 countries that have a Speaker of the House? How about 50 countries' Vice Presidents, since they head up the Senate in the American congressional model? That would be a bit much. A role like head of a legislature is not enough justification for RD, alone. Additionally, all politicians advocate for their opinions, so that phrase from the nomination is also not particularly notable. ] (]) 17:33, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
:::Would you also support posting the other 50 countries that have a Speaker of the House? How about 50 countries' Vice Presidents, since they head up the Senate in the American congressional model? That would be a bit much. A role like head of a legislature is not enough justification for RD, alone. Additionally, all politicians advocate for their opinions, so that phrase from the nomination is also not particularly notable. ] (]) 17:33, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
:::It would depend on the power of the individual. The US Vice-President has virtually none. The Speaker of the House is extremely powerful, arguably 2nd only to the POTUS. ITND criteria #2 says "The deceased was widely regarded as a very important figure in his or her field." So yeah I do think the Speaker of the House meets that. -] (]) 17:43, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
::::It would depend on the power of the individual. The US Vice-President has virtually none. The Speaker of the House is extremely powerful, arguably 2nd only to the POTUS. ITND criteria #2 says "The deceased was widely regarded as a very important figure in his or her field." So yeah I do think the Speaker of the House meets that. -] (]) 17:43, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Article quality is very good and seems to be referenced well. ''']'''<sup>]]</sup> 15:31, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Article quality is very good and seems to be referenced well. ''']'''<sup>]]</sup> 15:31, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
*'''Where is his name''' in the "Eight Immortals" article? ←] <sup>'']''</sup> ]→ 15:37, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
*'''Where is his name''' in the "Eight Immortals" article? ←] <sup>'']''</sup> ]→ 15:37, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
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The Nexen pipeline at the Long Lake facility near Fort McMurray, Alberta, spills 5,000,000 litres (1,100,000 imp gal; 1,300,000 US gal) of oil emulsion. (CBC)
Japan's lower house of parliament passes a pair of bills changing the country's security laws, allowing Japanese soldiers to fight overseas for the first time since the end of World War II under certain conditions, over strong protests from opposition lawmakers, who walked out of the vote.(BBC)(NHK)
A preliminary report from the Dutch Safety Board of the investigation of the Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 (MH17) disaster points to pro-Russian rebels as being responsible for the shooting down of the passenger flight on 17 July 2014. (CNN)
The circumnavigation attempt of Earth by the solar-powered Solar Impulse plane, currently in Hawaii, has been suspended for the rest of 2015 in order to perform necessary repairs. (BBC)
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: Wan Li, the last of the Eight Immortals (now all mortals...) was the head of China's national legislature between 1988 and 1993; an RD we posted several weeks ago, Qiao Shi, held the same office between 1993 and 1998 (it is the third, or sometimes second highest office of the land, next to the Communist Party's general secretary and the Premier). Was known for his advocacy of constitutional reform, rule of law, and liberal stance during the Tiananmen Square protests of 1989. Colipon+(Talk) 13:21, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
Oppose Comment We don't usually post heads of legislative branches in RD, such as a former Speaker of the House. What makes this individually particularly more notable? Does the Chinese Congress have any political power in the country, or is it like Russia where they are puppets to the oligarchy? Mamyles (talk) 15:08, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
Really? I would say that a former Speaker of the US House of Representatives meets RD standards and would support posting such a nomination. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:57, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
Would you also support posting the other 50 countries that have a Speaker of the House? How about 50 countries' Vice Presidents, since they head up the Senate in the American congressional model? That would be a bit much. A role like head of a legislature is not enough justification for RD, alone. Additionally, all politicians advocate for their opinions, so that phrase from the nomination is also not particularly notable. Mamyles (talk) 17:33, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
It would depend on the power of the individual. The US Vice-President has virtually none. The Speaker of the House is extremely powerful, arguably 2nd only to the POTUS. ITND criteria #2 says "The deceased was widely regarded as a very important figure in his or her field." So yeah I do think the Speaker of the House meets that. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:43, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
Weak Support I am not altogether sure how much juice the position has in China, i.e. is it mostly ceremonial? That said the corresponding article indicates it is the # 2 position in the political hierarchy of the PRC. That's good enough for me. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:57, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
Oppose This looks more like a kangaroo court. According to article, Gröning was responsible merely for counting and sorting the money taken from prisoners, not directly for their executions (and he later expressed some dissent to his Auschwitz boss). Brandmeister12:27, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
Per WP:NOTNEWS some editorial judgement is often useful. This time book-keeper, next time they may find and sentence Auschwitz toilet cleaner as well. Brandmeister13:51, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
Do you have reliable sources which state that the trial was not legitimate(a "kangaroo court")? It isn't for us to act as a second judge or jury and render our own opinions about the outcome. 331dot (talk) 14:04, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
Would the murder of 300,000 Hungarian Jews have stopped or been disrupted if Auschwitz lacked that money-collecting book-keeper? No. In the grand scheme of things this four-year sentence for a 94-year man is almost nothing. Brandmeister15:17, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
Whether he could have stopped the whole thing or not is not relevant; that's an argument for his trial, not here. This is in the news and involves major war crimes. I would again ask if any reliable sources have said this trial is not legitimate. 331dot (talk) 16:31, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
Comment – This particular trial – not of course the Holocaust itself – is a footnote in history. Sca (talk) 14:10, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
Weak support it certainly is more than a footnote in terms of "in the news". Of course, if we had crystal balls, we could all determine which news stories will become inconsequential in fifty years time. I'm seeing it widely reported, and while the sentence is remarkably short considering the crime, it's still newsworthy. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:14, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
Oppose this topic tends to be overrepresented in any form of media. A comparable number of Armenians died a few decades earlier yet that one barely reached the news outlets at the centennial commemoration. Nergaal (talk) 15:32, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
Support This is likely to be one of the last, perhaps the last, major trial for Holocaust related crimes. Also Gröning is a well known figure for speaking out over the years about what happened and refuting Holocaust deniers with his "I was there" interviews. In response to charges that this was a kangaroo court I would have to strongly disagree. It is a well established principle in law that those who provide material assistance in the commission of serious crimes can be held liable as accessories. Germany's refusal for many decades to apply this principal to the SS guards at the death camps, and only prosecute those who could be proven to have actually killed someone was extremely controversial. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:39, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
Question – Did Demjanjuk's conviction on May 12, 2011, make ITN? (From cursory skimming of his article, he seems to have been more directly involved in genocide than Gröning.) I don't find Demjanjuk in the ITN archive for May 2011. Sca (talk) 22:27, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
Question is this going to get appealed? If yes, what are the realistic chances that he will actually serve jail time before he dies? Nergaal (talk) 23:44, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
Weak support – I've been dithering. Finally decided that Gröning's ostensible bystander status as 'the bookkeeper' – and his conviction nevertheless – makes this notable. And it's certainly 'in' the news, today anyway. (Regarding the sentence, presumably his age was a factor, I suppose.) Sca (talk) 00:00, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
Oppose this was on the US nightly news as a feel-good story, with camp survivors forgiving him. It's tabloid level, and certainly in no way of enough historical importance to merit posting. μηδείς (talk) 00:08, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
Weak support - Forgiven or not, historical or not, this is a notable story. I prefer altblurb, and I marked it as ready to go. As for "tabloid", I hate to admit that the news tend to overemphasize connections between accomplices and horrific events. But let's use Sydney hostage crisis as a precedent to tabloid journalism already invading ITN, so let's do the same here. George Ho (talk) 03:09, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
Weak support - I have no love towards giving any attention towards this three-ring circus of a trial, but sham or not, it's undoubtedly historical. It's also possibly among the last few news events that will surface on ITN that has origins from World War II.--WaltCip (talk) 11:03, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
A helicopter belonging to the National Iranian Oil Company (NIOC) with four people on board (two crew members, a patient, and a person accompanying the patient) crashes in the Persian Gulf. (Tasnim)
The Catholic Church in Taherpur, India is vandalized, and the caretaker is arrested. The church was desecrated on the night of July 9, according to Indian media reports. (India Express)
Scientists at Northumbria University in northeast England develop a computerized statistical model of the Sun's solar cycle (a measurement of the number of sunspots and solar flares, in this case between 1976 and 2008, and their intensity and activity). While preliminary, and not yet peer-reviewed, the data predicts irregularities in the cycle: the Northern Hemisphere could experience a slight lowering in temperatures in the 2030s. (CNN)(Washington Post)
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RDs get 1 week and this guy has gotten 2 weeks of full blurb, most of which had his face as the ITN pic. Considering that its posting wasn't even close to unanimous, could we take his entry down (next)? There is absolutely no source still mentioning his death. Nergaal (talk) 13:41, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Why is there a more and more clear POV pushing mentality at Misplaced Pages. If we do not get what we want, we nitpick at the subject... Tiring to say the least.--BabbaQ (talk) 14:03, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
I suppose I don't understand what the rush is. Does having this humanitarian who saved hundreds of children's lives and was given top honors by two countries on the front page for a couple of slow news weeks after his death really hurt and offend you so much? Move on. -Kudzu1 (talk) 16:05, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Oppose as unnecessary. It's highly likely this is going to get knocked off ITN within the next 24 hrs by new blurbs now under discussion. We had a slow news cycle. It happens sometimes. But thing seem to be picking up again. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:14, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
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Oppose While he looks to have had a successful career, it doesn't look like he has many/any national-level awards that put him above average enough for RD. The best he received was a regional lifetime achievement award, long after his career's prime, which I don't think qualifies for RD. Every section needs more citations, so perhaps some more awards will be found while searching. Mamyles (talk) 14:44, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
'Weak Support' Conceding Mamyles's point about a lack of really big awards, I do think there is enough to demonstrate this was a very important person in his field. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:08, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Support conditional upon article improvements. More citations are needed. I do think the honors he has received and his extensive body of work qualify him as notable enough for RD. -Kudzu1 (talk) 16:18, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Strong Oppose - The composer is not well known in India (atleast outside Karnataka and Tamil Nadu. I doubt many people know about him there as well!). The RD is not covered notably, by major publications in other parts of India, as well. The awards bestowed upon him do not make him noteworthy to be posted for RD as well! Besides this, the article needs many improvements, as pointed out previously. Regards, theTigerKing03:43, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
Article updatedNominator's comments: The notability of this discovery should be undisputable, if accepted as true. Thue (talk) 09:25, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Support, I guess - This sort of thing is just a bit over my head, but science news is always a good thing to feature, unless there is some sort of major hole in this story. --Bongwarrior (talk) 09:58, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Support 9 sigma of statistical significance is much better than any pentaquark discovery claim before, and the first to cross the 5 sigma limit. Not peer-reviewed, but very unlikely to be overturned at 9 sigma (the equipment and analysis will of course be world class, and the odds of it being a fluke measurement are 1 in 1,000,000,000,000,000,000). Technically, pentaquark isn't a particle but a type of particle. CERN discovered two pentaquark states (one with more energy than the other - this comes from the fact that the two particles have the same quarks but with their spin arranged in different ways), so it's two for the price of one. I've added a more accurate altblurb. Smurrayinchester13:05, 14 July 2015 (UTC)}
Hold - Where is this in the news and why is it significant? I am not convinced this rises to the level of ITN. Jehochman13:20, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Added some more popular news sources. Many sites have only broken it in the last hour. Even the Guardian, which has a correspondent based at CERN, only published the story at lunchtime GMT today. Smurrayinchester13:23, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
(As for significance, it's probably not unlike the Higgs boson - pentaquarks have been predicted for years, but difficult to create. Creating one more-or-less as predicted suggests our theories are correct and gives us a way to investigate previously untestable theories about (in this case) the strong force that binds quarks together.) Smurrayinchester13:25, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Good point. I've expanded, and tried to make (a bit) clearer to the layperson what it means. Probably not yet lay-user-friendly though... Smurrayinchester14:58, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Cautious Support When it comes to this stuff, I'm definitely swimming in the deep end of the pool without a life jacket. But it sounds important. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:03, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Followup comment After taking a closer look at the article I am concerned that as written, it is likely beyond the grasp of anyone without a PHD in physics. I understand that some articles will by necessity contain a lot of technical terms and jargon, but could we not put something in there that would be comprehensible to the science layman? -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:24, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Suggestion: Maybe the blurb should try to briefly explain what a pentaquark is and why it's significant. -Kudzu1 (talk) 16:06, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Maybe the article should do that too. To the ordinary reader this is inscrutable. We can't post it in the current condition. Jehochman17:45, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
For what is always going to be a very technical article, I actually think it's pretty good. I'm no physicist, but I understood most of it, and what I didn't I got through the wikilinks. Support. Black Kite (talk)21:23, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Support I have only a layperson's understanding of physics, but the article largely made sense to me and wikilinks elaborate well on whatever you need - which, depending on background, may be quite a long wikiwalk, but we shouldn't shy from something because the subject is difficult. It is probably true that the vast majority of wikipedians, myself included, will not truly grasp the significance of this, but the same could be said of all variety of business and political stories that go up. It is still worth knowing that great and momentous things took place - and who knows, that extralong wikiwalk may prove fruitful to more people than we guess. - OldManNeptune⚓22:44, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Ready I have removed the maintenance tag I put up earlier. While still, and unavoidably, technical; the article is hugely improved in its readability. I think its good to go. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:59, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
I've updated, since support seems unanimous now (although as a full declaration of interest, I've been quite heavily involved in cleaning up this article). If I've been remiss, please revert. Smurrayinchester07:50, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
Support is not unanimous. This item should be pulled until the following major problem is addressed: "This article may be too technical for most readers to understand. " You can't put an article on the home page while there's this sort of maintenance tag at the top of it. Please address the issue and remove the tag, or else pull the article until it's ready. Jehochman12:13, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
(ec)Me. I'm a total physics dummy and I was pleasantly surprised that I understood most of the explanation (whether it is accurate is another question, but I shall parrot it to anybody that asks). The only drawback for me was the discovery of the Belle experiment. Help! I don't want to be a guinea pig. Belle (talk) 12:54, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
Endorse posting Support doesn't have to be unanimous. There's consensus that the discovery of a new kind of particle is worthy of ITN, and the article has been updated. The re-addition of the maintenance tag was not properly justified; science articles are inherently technical. Cenarium (talk) 18:07, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
Consistency please We didn't post Greece, which was an agreement in a neverending story. This is also an agreement in another neverending story. Please be consistent. I would have said post both... So I guess I still *Support this, but please, start being more consistent here. Zwerg Nase (talk) 09:29, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Support – After a a decade of knotty negotiations, this is a milestone – even with congressional ratification pending. Arguably significant to a greater number than yesterday's 'agreekment.' Sca (talk) 13:20, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
I believe Congress can pass a disapproval resolution but Obama could veto it; it doesn't need to be approved by them- though as 47 GOP Senators pointed out it can be changed in the future. 331dot (talk) 20:37, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Support This has been building up for awhile, and finally seems to be coming to fruition. Important story. Mamyles (talk) 14:19, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Comment - The article looks a little too long. The "14 July 2015" section looks a lot to be desired. The page needs improvements now, like restructuring and condensation. George Ho (talk) 14:25, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
I agree that it could use some work, but C on the quality scale is sufficient for posting to ITN. Most articles we post here are not GA-level, and need a significant amount of work. Mamyles (talk) 14:51, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Support Obviously a major development in foreign affairs. I would also like to give a tip of the hat to 331dot for the neutral tone in the blurb. The agreement is obviously going to be controversial. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:58, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Support: A huge development in the field of international relations, with political and economic impacts that are expected to be far-reaching. -Kudzu1 (talk) 16:07, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
I'd like to see the article renamed or merged, or at least a decision not to do so, before posting this. Jehochman17:49, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Nobody seems to be looking at the fact that this goes to Congress, who can turn it down based on the "deal" arranged beforehand, and can probably still be taken to the Supreme Court and nullified unless it gets 67 votes. This should be a big wait. μηδείς (talk) 01:51, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
And/or that Iran's own parliament might squash the deal. Either way, we'd be back where we were, giving the Republican hawks some campaign material. ←Baseball Bugscarrots→ 11:41, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
Strong Support The deal, may change the geopolitical equations in the region, moves the country out of many imposed sanctions (considering the fact that the size of the economy had plummeted by more than 20%) and change the political situation in Iraq, Yemen and Syria in the future. But would request to have a relook at the blurb once. Maybe some outline of the deal signed/agreed could be described in there.Regards, theTigerKing03:41, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
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Article updatedNominator's comments: Renowned book goes on sale today: most pre-ordered on Amazon since Harry Potter series final book, all-night store openings, sequel to pulitzer winner To Kill a Mockingbird, unexpected discovery and unexpected nature of plot has added to public interest/controversy. FT207:30, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Support. I believe it is of interest to our readers that a Nobel Prize-winning author who has said she would never release a book again, has released a book again. Thank you, --ceradon (talk • contribs) 07:48, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Oppose I don't think we need to advertise this on Harper Lee's behalf. The factoids in the nomination would suit a fine DYK however. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:49, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Comment. I think this should have been posted at the announcement; doing so now just seems like advertising, as others indicate.(The same argument was made previously, but I think it was less the case then than now.) If there was something else to hang our hat on in this case(some sort of sales record, maybe) it might be worth posting now, but I think we missed the boat. I don't oppose posting it per se if that is desired, though. 331dot (talk) 09:35, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
I agree with this. I still support it now, but I think it was a bigger story then. Some wanted to wait until it was published, though, so we'll see. --Bongwarrior (talk) 09:51, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
At the time of the announcement, it was rejected because it was just a press release. Now that it's for real, it's being reject because it should have been covered when it was announced. Like a Marx Brothers cabinet meeting. ←Baseball Bugscarrots→ 13:10, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
@Baseball Bugs: Actually, all the Opposes say that it is not notable enough or that we should not advertise. The only one who mentioned "we should have posted" earlier was not an Oppose, but a comment. Zwerg Nase (talk) 13:13, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
The earlier opposes were mostly of the "wait" variety. Now that it's here, they had to come up with other excuses. Maybe more newsworthy than the book itself is some controversy around it. ←Baseball Bugscarrots→ 14:34, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Oppose – Exhaustively hyped early effort from a writer who IMO should have been content with the iconic fame of Mockingbird. From initial reviews, this prequel / sequel is not its equal. Sca (talk) 13:38, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Oppose We do not do advertising here. When this book wins a major award, it will likely be postable. In the meantime, it's just one of millions of books released each year. Mamyles (talk) 14:21, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Oppose per most of the above comments. Books, including notable ones, are released all the time. We don't post them on ITN. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:52, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Oppose ITN is not your local Amazon/bookstore front. No prejudice against renom if it goes on to win a major literary award, but "book released by notable writer" is not something I would consider significant enough for ITN. Fuebaey (talk) 18:29, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Oppose this can always be posted if the book wins an award, but we don't post any new book by an author who's previously penned a masterpiece. μηδείς (talk) 19:32, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Oppose This is the literary equivalent of a 60s band releasing an album of their unreleased demos. If it becomes the fastest selling book of all time or something, that would be news, but if "something goes on sale, gets press coverage and sells a lot to fans" is the bar for inclusion we may as well reserve a space now for iPhone 6S. – iridescent20:40, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
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Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: Mexican singer-songwriter who composed songs for himself and other artists that have been well-received throughout the Hispanophone communities in Latin America and the United States. Received a lifetime achievement award on 2001 Lo Nuestro Awards and was inducted into the Billboard Latin Music Hall of Fame in 2006 for his "prolific songwriting and musical arrangements". Received two Latin Grammy awards for Best Regional Song, worked with Vicente Fernandez (a recognized ranchera singer in Mexico) on the album Para Siempre which also won a Latin Grammy Award for Best Ranchero Album, collaborated with will.i.am on the song "Hey You" (source), "Secreto de Amor" was one of the best performing Latin songs of 2000, and has had several of his songs covered by multiple Latin artists such as "Lobo Domesticado" by Tommy Olivencia which ranked on the Latin charts in the US. Erick (talk) 02:49, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Support RD as soon as the article is properly updated and otherwise made ready. Subject clearly meets RD guidelines. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:55, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Fundude99 is handling the updates and expanded on the Illness and Death section. If there's anything else that needs to be done, let us know. 03:58, 14 July 2015 (UTC) EDIT: I will continue to work more with Fundude later it is late where I live after I add some awards and do more clean up. Erick (talk) 05:02, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Support pending improvements I fully support RD tag because the subkect is notable, but the article needs sources. There's huge sections in the lead, Early life, career and awards that need sources. Add more sources and it's a go! --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 04:15, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Support - Marvelous job. Shall we have four names in RD ticker? I think we should retain the dead Saudi prince for a while until either stale or a new death. --George Ho (talk) 07:12, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Oppose until the article is copyedited, phrases like "Before he had a big successful music career", "he soon realized that music was his true calling", "he remains one of the most famous singers and songwriters Mexico has" etc etc don't belong here. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:17, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Those were just a handful of examples, the rest of the article isn't much better, e.g. "His versatility has helped him remain in the popular taste of the public.", "and the positive results came fast when in Ciudad Obregon, Sonora.", "The year 1977 was a transitionary year for Sebastian it was the moment when he stopped using his legal name Jose Manuel Figueroa and picked up his artistic name Joan Sebastian (Joan is how the name John is said in the Catalan language of eastern Spain) and Sebastian from San Sebastian." .... the whole article needs to be copyedited for tone and grammar. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:47, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
First article updated, second needs updating One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.Nominator's comments: Prior nomination consensus was to wait until this week. It's hard to place an exact start and end to the flyby, but at the time of this nomination the closest approach is 12 hours away (note: it takes 4.5 hours for signal to travel from New Horizons to Earth). The image is an artist's depiction, so I don't know if "(pictured)" is the best way to refer to the image. 208.54.85.185 (talk) 23:45, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
Note from nom about above comments: I actually just realized that the communications antenna will be pointed away from Earth during the closest point of the flyby, so data won't be received from the probe until about 1:00 UTC, 15 July (about 13 hours after the closest point of the flyby). But of course, the actual feat will have been accomplished before then and will be widely reported in the news. I think the artist impression is ok for now. It could be changed after data is received from the flyby. Currently-available images of the planet aren't very high resolution or particularly impressive. 208.54.85.185 (talk) 00:06, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
I'd argue that what we have already from a few days ago (eg as from ) is a great image, it's the first time we've seen significant surface detail of the planet. --MASEM (t) 03:00, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Support I'd support when we have news reports that say it happens, but I'd also be okay with when we get the best images per .185 above. --MASEM (t) 03:00, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Support I would use the alternative blurb, but I suggest you start it off with "NASA's New Horizons space probe" instead of the just "The New Horizons space probe". Also, for the picture, you should use the most recent capture of Pluto (for example, this). Aria1561 (talk) 04:30, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Support posting this shortly before the flyby, possibly right after the TFA is bumped out. Either of these actual images are far more interesting than an "artist" drawing. Nergaal (talk) 05:03, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Support - Google posted their little fly-by cartoon on Monday, well before the point in time where New Horizons is at its own "peripluton" or whatever it would be called. ←Baseball Bugscarrots→ 06:02, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Regardless of celestial body, periapsis would be an accurate term - if it were orbiting. I actually don't know what the "correct" term for exact point of closest non-orbital approach is. Maybe still periapsis if it's influenced by that body's gravity? - OldManNeptune⚓06:44, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Support once updated with article freely available images of the flyby, which could come hours after the event. -- Callinus (talk) 06:21, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Support posting near as reasonably possible to the "actual" time of closest approach using most recent available images, to be updated with free NASA images as they become available. This is a goldmine of extremely valuable free images, we might as well enjoy it. - OldManNeptune⚓06:40, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Wait until the radio blackout ends and initial contact is made following the flyby. Until then it is slightly speculative - there is always the chance of hitting something in a fairly crowded and poorly mapped system. 3142 (talk) 12:05, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Support. The flyby has already been historic enough. If there was something wrong (very small chance since it crossed Charon's orbit pretty close to its L3 point), the blurb may well be updated. Cato censor (talk) 12:14, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Done - If a low probability collision occurs, we would update the blurb. "New Horizons is destroyed while performing a flyby of Pluto" or whatever. Jehochman12:41, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Will do. I'm not updating the image yet because we've got Pluto as the Featured Article, and here we've got a picture of the space ship. Once Pluto is no longer the FA the image could be updated. Would be silly to have two pictures of Pluto on the home page at the same time. Jehochman17:51, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Absolutely Dumbfounded Why have we posted an image of the camera that photographed Pluto, rather than Pluto? Any picture of Pluto would be better, and we have lots of them, all free. I posted this crie du coeur at Errors. Please rectify this ASAP. μηδείς (talk) 03:25, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
An airstrike by the Saudi-led coalition kills 25 civilians and wounds 50 in Sanaa, the capital of Yemen. Last week a ceasefire agreement was reached. (STL Today)(CTV News via AP)
All the missing 42 people have been found following the collapse of a Russian Army barracks in the Omsk Oblast of southwestern Siberia with 23 deaths. (TASS)
International relations
Georgia accuses Russia of violating its sovereignty by placing border markers on the edge of the South Ossetia region, leaving part of an international oil pipeline in territory under Russian control. The area was the site of the Russo-Georgian war in 2008. (Reuters)
PresidentBarack Obama commutes the sentences of 46 American prison inmates serving long sentences for drug related offences. (CNN)
Son of Boston police captain is charged with a foiled plot to bomb a university, inspired by Boston Marathon bombing, on alleged behalf of ISIS. He is scheduled Tuesday for a bail hearing at a federal court in Springfield. (AP)
The male defendant is found not guilty of death threats on US Majority Speaker of the House, John Boehner, by reason of insanity. He is still in jail and due for another trial on August 21 to determine his ability to adjust to society. (USA Today)
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Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: Chairman of the biggest German political youth organisation for 12 years, foreign policy speaker of biggest German political party; please focus comments on notability, I will update the article more later today Zwerg Nase (talk) 10:35, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
Oppose. I'm not seeing how any of the RD criteria are met in this case; the equivalent to me would be a US Congressman who also headed a youth group, who would not be posted as it isn't "very important" to their field. "Foreign policy speaker" doesn't seem significant to me as he was not a Foreign Minister or other official. News coverage seems limited. His unexpected death would warrant a blurb more than RD. 331dot (talk) 10:48, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
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Comment - Must we wait for EU's approval on this bailout plan? If we post this now, this would show impatience. George Ho (talk) 08:42, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
The Greek parliament has to agree a) the package and b) the reforms, and other Eurozone parliaments have to agree the package. That said, most news analysis is saying that the chances of anyone saying no (or nein, or οχι, or perhaps most threateningly of all, ei) is small at this point. No-one wants to go through even more of this. Smurrayinchester09:18, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
Comment – Since the Greek Parliament has three days to endorse key provisions, this epic is still "ongoing." But if Parliament accepts them, that would be an ITN-worthy deal-clincher, and it wouldn't be necessary to wait for other European parliaments to act. Sca (talk) 12:41, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
Oppose It looks they are going to get another bailout and stay in the Euro. If it had gone the other way I would have supported, but this looks like more of the same. I think it is adequately covered in ongoing. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:02, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
Oppose no concrete agreement has been reached. We already have ongoing. Nominating this every few days is counterproductive, we have a sticky, and an actual settlement or Grexit can always be proposed should it happen. μηδείς (talk) 17:41, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
Oppose, at least until Greek government votes. Even with their pound of flesh it seems the European Ministers have decided the Greek economy is worth saving, even if that involves years of minute control and humiliation. As Ad Orientem suggests, largely covered by the ongoing. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:05, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
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Saudi-led coalition forces bomb Houthi targets in several provinces of Yemen, killing at least 15 people, despite a UN-brokered truce. (Business Standard)
A European Union leaders' summit to discuss the Greek debt crisis is cancelled due to failure of finance ministers to agree on Greek proposals. However, Eurozone leaders do meet, with discussions continuing into the night. (BBC), (Sky News)(The Guardian)
One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.Nominator's comments: ... I don't know why, but ITN needs something fresher. Now Singles Finals should be featured on Main Page. We need fresher story George Ho (talk) 06:27, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
This being one of most prestigious tennis tournaments, I would think we would post all the winners at once - although Serena's dominance is certainly exceptional. ←Baseball Bugscarrots→ 06:57, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
Comment as far as I know, we usually post both men's and women's singles winner in a combined blurb (they are, after all, ITNR) but there'd be no reason not to post the women's result sooner if the article was up to scratch. Men's final will conclude within the next eight or so hours. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:08, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
We can update the blurb or merge two blurbs as we did two separate football tournaments. Why else should we not post it soon? George Ho (talk) 09:35, 12 July 2015 (UTC) (I misread; I concur with you. George Ho (talk) 09:40, 12 July 2015 (UTC))
If it were a single stand-alone blurb, we can post nationalities as it's usually done, especially to sports teams. Omitting or posting nationalities in a combined blurb is up to administrators. --George Ho (talk) 18:59, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
Comment the main article has a decent summary of the women's final; the men's section could do with the same. I'd avoid bolding/highlighting the single draws, because there's barely any prose there, and omit the nationalities/opposition if we're short on blurb length.
One question though: is it possible to have two images or someone combining (side-by-side) an image of the two winners? I say this as the last sporting blurb involved both genders but was not changed, with a comment deeming it too US-centric - which ironically could well apply here. Fuebaey (talk) 20:21, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
I now recovered and de-struck Williams-only blurbs due to quality concerns. We can post when the Men's Singles portions improve, right? --George Ho (talk) 20:30, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
Support - Probably the most prominent Tennis competition in the world. I don't know what planet Aaaaaabbbbb111 where this can be considered 'non notable'. 22:09, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
I agree both are ready to post and I support a combined blurb. There may be more expansion that can be done, but there's nothing obvious to hold up posting now. -Kudzu1 (talk) 03:52, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
The Hellenic Parliament passes a package of economic reforms to end the current stage of the debt crisis. (BBC)
Steve Huffman is re-appointed as the CEO of Reddit as Ellen Pao steps down over a dispute with the website's users over the firing of a popular employee. (Irish Times)
Satoru Iwata, the CEO and President of Nintendo, dies due to a bile duct growth.
Hundred of villagers are evacuated from near the Colima volcano following recent eruptions. Authorities fear that it could be on the same scale as a 1913 eruption. (BBC)
The First Test of the 2015 Ashes Series between England and Australia ends with a 169-run victory for England after four days at the Swalec Stadium in Cardiff. (BBC)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: President of Nintendo since 2002, credited with helping led the company to be major competitor in the video game industry. RD only even with the death being a sudden loss (due to complications with a bile duct) MASEM (t) 00:22, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
Support – Video game community is in complete shock from his passing. Loved by many for making Nintendo the company it is today and will be dearly missed. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 00:39, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
Strong Support for RD Extremely notable person in a huge industry (and still a leader in that industry until he died) whose death, while not a *complete* shock, was still unexpected. I might lean toward a full blurb if the article is improved. -- Mike(Kicking222)00:42, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
Support RD is a no brainer, blurb is completely reasonable to me given he was relatively young and still very much active in daily business, and in fact the face of the company in some regards. - OldManNeptune⚓01:17, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
Support RD or blurb. Clearly merits posting in some form; I would lean towards a blurb given the unexpected nature of his death and the fact he remained notable in his field and continued to work until recently. 331dot (talk) 01:39, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
Seeing that he was the CEO of a major company at the time of his death, I would support giving him a full blurb. CalidumT|C05:06, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
Support RD / Strongly Oppose blurb No question the subject meets the criteria for RD. But blurbs for deceased persons are extremely rare with the standards being much higher. The subject does not warrant that level of attention. -Ad Orientem (talk) 06:11, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
Oppose blurb meets the RD criteria but blurbs aren't for people who are notable in their field, the face of their company, or similar phrasing (essentially per Ad Orientem). Bencherlite13:51, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
Support blurb just look at #4 and you will realize that this person has had a higher impact on the world, therefore deserves a full blurb if #4 has had one for weeks now. Nergaal (talk) 14:23, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
Saving thousands of lifes vs. taking up thousands of hours of thousands of people's lives with computer games? Hmm.... Zwerg Nase (talk) 14:27, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
Each person and/or blurb posted is weighed on its own merits; every field is different and gets attention and merit in its own way. 331dot (talk) 14:31, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
Support Iwata was an important figure of an important company who made an impact on the gaming industry. His death should be in the news section. Aria1561 (talk) 04:32, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Nominator's comments: The escape of someone described as "one of the world's most notorious crime figures"(NBC) and "the world's most wanted drug trafficker"(BBC) seems to be a big story. We posted his capture last year. 331dot (talk) 09:32, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
Weak oppose blurb - We can't rush the story as is. Prison escapes... When was the last time these stories were posted? The escape from the Clinton Correctional Facility wasn't posted as a blurb, so why would this one? If you insist, support ongoing until the person is either dead or captured alive. (Must rescind; see further down) George Ho (talk) 09:54, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
The Clinton escapees did not quite have the stature of this man, and their crimes were not international in scope(I think) as this man was wanted in both Mexico and the US. I don't "insist" on anything; this will either be posted in some form, or not. 331dot (talk) 10:00, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
Support: Arguably the most-wanted man in the post-Bin Laden world escapes from prison a SECOND time. Prior to his arrest, he headed the Sinaloa Cartel, the largest drug trafficking group in the world. This is huge news in Mexico. This story is headlining a bunch of international media outlets as well. ComputerJA (☎ • ✎) 14:37, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
We can't post this just because it's "huge" in Mexico and elsewhere or he's the second most-wanted man. Not all most-wanted people are featured on front page. Terrorists like bin Laden may have been media's attractions, but I haven't seen yet one prison escapee posted ITN (unless I'm proven wrong). --George Ho (talk) 18:31, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
I didn't stay that this should be posted because this is huge news in Mexico. If you read the rest of my comment, you will know that the notability of this man is what makes this worth for the main page. The fact that there hasn't been any prison breaks before isn't a good reason to not post this. He is the first man to escape from that prison, the top one in all of Mexico (he escaped in 2001 from another). He heads the world's largest drug trafficking group. That is pretty notable to me. ComputerJA (☎ • ✎) 19:20, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
The man's notability would not affect how Misplaced Pages's ITN works. Of course, I did vote for "ongoing", but now I must rescind. If it's posted, we might mislead readers into believing he's unstoppable or frighten readers into fearing for their lives. We did post his arrest, but we had no idea of whether he would escape again. Id est it shouldn't have been posted in the first place, but majority supported it. Probably the best thing to re-feature the BLP is either his capture or death. --George Ho (talk) 19:48, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
The WEAKEST of possible supports and with the stipulation that this should not be seen as a precedent. Normally prison breaks, even those by notorious gangsters, would get a quick oppose from me as tabloid news. However I note that we are in an exceptionally slow news cycle and some of the posted blurbs have grown decidedly stale. To that end I think we might give this story a pass. If you like, we could file it under IAR for convenience purposes since I really don't think it meets ITN guidelines. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:46, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
I understand what you are saying but this isn't a garden variety gangster; he seems to be regarded as #1 in the criminal world. Escaping from prison twice is also somewhat unusual. 331dot (talk) 15:48, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
You should read this article to understand the significance of his escape a bit more. To add on what 331dot said, he also escaped from Mexico's top maximum-security prison. This is likely going to have big impacts in U.S.-Mexico relations, considering that several U.S. federal courts had requested his extradition. ComputerJA (☎ • ✎) 15:51, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
Why would relations between two sovereign states be impacted by one vicious drug lord? He is dangerous, but there are other more hugely dangerous escapees crossing the border. --George Ho (talk) 20:09, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
I am not an expert in U.S.-Mexico relations, but I'll try to provide my understanding of things. At least in the U.S.'s eyes, it shows that they cannot fully trust Mexican officials and that their anti-drug efforts (which are bilateral, by the way) are often pointless if things like this happen. I think it affects U.S.-Mexico relations in the sensitive areas of bilateral law enforcement cooperation and intelligence sharing. In addition, it is frustrating for the U.S. to pour billions of dollars and have Guzmán walk away just like that. They played a pivotal role in Guzmán's decade manhunt, and apparently in his arrest as well. Considering that corrupt officials already let Rafael Caro Quintero go, Guzmán's escape is pretty bad. ComputerJA (☎ • ✎) 20:33, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
I do not understand your question completely. But it's difficult for me to assess how things will play out at home. The administration's best trophy in the drug war is now gone. The President said an escape would be "unforgivable" in an interview last year, so we'll see. ComputerJA (☎ • ✎) 22:42, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
Oppose the item is interesting in the tabloid sense, but unless he leads an armed resurrection or another cation which would merit posting on its own terms the mere fact of his escape is rather minor. μηδείς (talk) 17:05, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
Well, he'll just go back and head the world's largest drug trafficking organization. The fact that we can't predict exactly what will happen after his escape shouldn't be a good reason not to post this. His escape is very notable given the incident and the person involved. ComputerJA (☎ • ✎) 19:22, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
Support: We don't normally post prison breaks, but this is an independently notable figure, an infamous Mexican crime boss considered one of the world's most wanted criminals, escaping from prison for the second time. This is a big-deal story and the update to Loera's page is certainly sufficient to post. -Kudzu1 (talk) 17:17, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
Conceding this would get some attention in any event, I think one of the reasons this story is getting so much coverage, is again, the incredibly slow news cycle. My God, I think even the sharks have stopped biting! -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:58, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
Support - this guy is more important than the leaders of many countries. I mean, the Mexican cartels are no ordinary gangs - they hold more sway in northern Mexico than the Mexican government. Wnt (talk) 19:40, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
Posted a bit more quickly and with a slightly weaker consensus than I'd usually prefer, but it does have consensus, the update is there, and we've got to post something. --Bongwarrior (talk) 22:41, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
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Shall we inspire prison escapes to be posted in the future? Perhaps I'll nominate terrorists escaping prisons then or prison escapes during prison riots. George Ho (talk) 22:58, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
Isnt that a matter of case to case basis. Per WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. One case is not similar to the next.--BabbaQ (talk) 23:26, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
Indeed; each case is considered on its own merits. It would depend on the terrorist that escaped, or the extent of the prison riot. Each case is different. 331dot (talk) 01:34, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
You were the one making the point George. Perhaps it's lost in translation but your post " Shall we inspire prison escapes to be posted in the future?" seemed to suggest that you thought posting this story would encourage other events of a similar nature to occur. My point was that if you were suggesting that, other posts would inspire other such stories to be repeated. Do you understand? The Rambling Man (talk) 20:38, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
I did ask whether this would be a predecessor to many other escapee stories. It would inspire more escapee stories to be nominated, but chances of posting a prison escape is... slim. In this case, since we did post his arrest, we posted his escape just for the heads up. I was thinking: if we hadn't posted his arrest, we wouldn't have posted his escape unless consensus agreed with the escape, not the arrest. George Ho (talk) 21:00, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
A bailout plan is submitted two hours before the midnight deadline. The plan would raise a retirement age to 67 and cut pensions by 15% for those retiring at 62. (LA Times)(Money Control)
Ellen Pao resigns as the interim CEO of Internet site Reddit following a user backlash over the deletion of some subreddits for harassment and sacking of a popular admin. Site co-founder Steve Huffman will take her place. (WSJ)
Arts and culture
Egyptian actor Omar Sharif dies at the age of 83 after suffering a heart attack. BBC
Disasters and accidents
At least 23 people have been killed and 50 injured following a stampede at a free clothing drive in the northern Bangladeshi city of Mymensingh. (BBC)
US President Barack Obama signs an executive order picking Berryessa Snow Mountain (California), Waco Mammoth Site (Texas), and Basin and Range (Nevada) as three national monuments. (USA Today)
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: He was a Companion of the Order of Canada. The WP page List of Companions of the Order of Canada informs us that this is "the highest level of the Order of Canada." He also "received the Governor General's Performing Arts Award for Lifetime Artistic Achievement, Canada's highest honour in the performing arts, in 1998." This seems to indicate he was important in the field of opera singing. Everymorningtalk15:26, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
Support pending article updates - Importance seems there but the article is virtually unsourced. --MASEM (t) 15:42, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
Major Improvement Needed the article has an entirety of seven citations, two of which are about his death and three of which support only two claims in the entire multi-paragraph acreer section. Each stage appearance will need a reference, since a blue link to the Opera will not link us to a primary source in such instances. Even then, that he got a high civilian award from his homeland doesn't strongly establish RD-level notability. μηδείς (talk) 22:30, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
Very weak oppose largely due to the state of the article currently; but I'm also not convinced that the one award is sufficient. Usually when people get those sorts of awards they already have a lot of other awards. In this case it just seems to be recognizing his long career. If it was clearer how this person is "very important" to their field, I would support. 331dot (talk) 22:34, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
Support While I agree that the awards would not by themselves establish that Vickers meets the criteria, he easily meets the criterion of having been "widely regarded very important figure" in his field. The Guardian obituary calls him "one of the outstanding operatic tenors of his generation", the BBC says he was "considered by many to be one of the greatest opera singers of the 20th century" and the Washington Post states that his voice "was regarded as one of the finest sounds to fill an opera house in the past half-century".Neljack (talk) 02:03, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Weak support with improvements. Honestly, I don't see a tremendous case for notability, but the Order of Canada honor maybe just nudges him across the line. However, the article needs some work to track down additional citations, and there may be some BLP issues. -Kudzu1 (talk) 16:31, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Article has been improved and should meet acceptable standards for posting. Marking ready as consensus appears to exist; feel free to unmark if there are still problems. -Kudzu1 (talk) 17:18, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Support now that the article has been improved. As for notability, if you read the many obits, Vickers was an opera legend and widely considered the greatest Wagnerian tenor of the 20th century. Among opera lovers he is ranked up there among Callas, Domingo, Pavarotti, Sutherland, Sills, etc. as one of the great voices of the 20th century. Notability is not an issue. Best.4meter4 (talk) 17:47, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: Tony Award-winning actor also recognizable from roles on television shows like Cheers and The West Wing. Kudzu1 (talk) 05:11, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
Oppose - Even with the Tony Award, he doesn't really strike me as someone "widely regarded as a very important figure" in acting. Good career, yes. But not quite notable enough, in my opinion. --Bongwarrior (talk) 06:08, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
Oppose. I loved him in Warehouse 13 and enjoyed many of his other roles, but he was a minor character actor and unfortunately doesn't rise to the level of ITN. Rhodesisland (talk) 06:26, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
Support pending article improvement. Meets the RD bar as a stage actor with a Tony, Olivier and Obie award. Paragraphs need inline references and the death cite could do with being replaced by something other than Twitter. Fuebaey (talk) 07:23, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
Oppose. A thinly-sourced and very bare-bones article for a well-remembered actor that sadly falls far short of the RD criteria for notability and influence. Challenger l (talk) 09:15, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
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Closing without prejudice to renomination. No !votes have been cast and as noted by Spencer no real explanation of significance has been offered. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:53, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
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Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: Multiple Golden Globe winner, Egyptian-American actor famous for roles in Lawrence of Arabia and Dr. Zhivago. RD only, not blurb MASEM (t) 14:00, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
Conditional Support Some refs need date tags. Other than that, I support this. Academy Award nominee is certainly top of his field, article seems well referenced. Zwerg Nase (talk) 14:34, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
Sources I have removed the section tag and a few unsupportable claims from the acting career section. No reference is needed for any role in which the film itself, a WP:PRIMARY SOURCE credits him. Some of the early life and bridge playing claims need citing, but I would be just as happy to see them hidden so we can post this asap, the claims are not essential and the nomination should go up asap. μηδείς (talk) 16:34, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
I concur. Articles do not need to be perfect to be linked on ITN. They do need to be reasonably well sourced and free of any other serious problems. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:39, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
Then feel free to instigate a discussion to remove "Articles that are subject to serious issues, as indicated by 'orange'- or 'red'-level tags at either the article level or within any section, may not be accepted for an emboldened link." from the instructions. Yes, it says "may not be accepted" because it used to say "will not be accepted" and several admins over-ruled that. If you wish to allow items with orange or red tags and multiple {{citation needed}} tags then I think it's worthwhile capturing that in the instructions so we don't go round this discussion again and again. Please make a proposal. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:45, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
I am working on resolving the tags or hiding the problematic material, the section tags are based on this and will come down once I can address the specific issues. μηδείς (talk) 16:49, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
I have hidden or cited all material with tags and removed the page tag. The only section that may need addressing is the filmography; normally we require refs for films that are redlinked. They can be deleted, and the section changed to selected filmography, which is what I will do if no one else takes action over the next 30-60 minutes. μηδείς (talk) 17:04, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
Strong Support - Oscar nominated, Golden Globe winner, appeared on classics, death is reported around the globe, and had a very high impact on the Egyptian movie industry. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 17:07, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
And that has no relevance whatsoever to this discussion, your position has been made clear on your user page. Either way, the point remains that your post, while interesting, has no relevance here. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:42, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
Ready the article is actually ready now, as of these edits removing the last of the unsourced items - the redlinks can be restored if they get citations or become blue links, see that article talk. μηδείς (talk) 18:01, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
Comment - Compared to what I had seen at the time of the nomination, the article is tons better shape and ready to go. Kudos to Medeis for the improvements to that. --MASEM (t) 19:24, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
The bar was lowered for such RD nominations so that a five-sentence three-source update is no longer considered necessary. Our hostile anonymous IP is welcome to add to the update. μηδείς (talk) 19:56, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
(To add, specifically only for RDs - as the update for most is one or two sentences that explain the circumstances of their death. For all other topics we do still expect five-sentence, three-source update, hence why ITNR sporting event results we push to have a describe of the winning event). --MASEM (t) 22:46, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
I'm guessing, but I don't think Brad is blind. He may be, in which case he does a decent job of not making it obvious. For your information IP120, the criteria for RD include the following: "In addition, the article must have been satisfactorily updated and have no major omissions of the person's life and effect. " So, a satisfactory update might be thousands of characters about a tragic passing, or a series of testimonies from prominent B-class figures, or it might just be a sentence to say, sorry guys, he's died, and that's all we have right now. If you'd like to "update" the "update" criteria, feel free to start a discussion mandating an objective and testable update criterion. In the meantime, please stop being so offensive (or puerile), and try to actually do something to improve Misplaced Pages (rather than expecting everyone else to do it on your behalf). You could even log in to one of your accounts and do something positive! WaltCip makes an excellent point, by the way.... The Rambling Man (talk) 19:56, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
BRICS
UNANIMOUSLY OPPOSED:
Re-nominate (or re-open) when article is expanded and event starts. (non-admin closure) --George Ho (talk) 00:05, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
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Nominated by ] (] · _BRICS">13:01, 10 July 2015 (UTC)|action=edit&preload=Template:ITN_candidate/preload_credit&preloadtitle=ITN+recognition+for+%5B%5B7th+BRICS+summit%5D%5D§ion=new&preloadparams%5b%5d=7th+BRICS+summit&preloadparams%5b%5d=nominated}} give credit])
Article needs updating The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.Nominator's comments: Concluded a day ago. 120.62.30.168 (talk) 13:01, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
Oppose Article requires massive expansion from its current state. Currently it's simply name of event, people who went. Cowlibob (talk) 13:20, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
Oppose Summits are typically meet and greet photo-ops these days. If something really important comes from it we can revisit the subject. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:55, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
Oppose this should not even be on ITNR since the phenomenon is essentially accidental; for a while those nations, which had been underdeveloped in comparison to the G7 economies, were growing at a faster rate. As of now China, Russia and Brazil have major economic issues. Posting a stub on this would be like free advertising for a selection of junk bonds. μηδείς (talk) 17:08, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
Comment objections to BRICS summits being on ITNR should be addressed via proposal for removal at WT:ITNR. I think we're all agreed that we won't be posting a stub, in any case. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:43, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
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The China Securities Regulatory Commission (CSRC) imposes a six-month ban on stockholders owning more than 5 percent of a company's stock from selling those stocks, resulting in a 6 percent rise in stock markets. (Reuters)
Article updatedNominator's comments: Better late than never. Should not be considered stale; in fact, it has been days after two association football matches but before a prison escape. George Ho (talk) 05:32, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Support: Glad to see an article now, since there wasn't one last I looked. Amazing how this story has flown under the radar, what with the tumult in Greece, the Iran nuclear talks, the Pluto flyby, and a rash of recent deaths. -Kudzu1 (talk) 16:33, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Support. Has been in the news, notable Chinese economic development. I feel like the "Causes" section meets the bare minimum but I'm not sure what else could be added since it does feel on the short side. Spencer16:39, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
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Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: One of fashion designers selling or working with many brands. If some Mormon pastor gets mentioned, why not this person? George Ho (talk) 08:43, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
Oppose Yes, we should obviously take into account the balancing effect that his not being a Mormon has, but the article is far too small, with no awards or proof of standing in the fashion community that would accomplish the desired revisionism. μηδείς (talk) 16:57, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
Weak oppose on notability, and article quality is obviously not quite up to snuff. Fairly well known in the fashion world, it sounds like, but I'm not seeing a ton of awards or evidence of outsize celebrity. -Kudzu1 (talk) 17:00, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
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Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: Article is in good shape, and the person is a prominent politician in Saudi Arabia. George Ho (talk) 23:28, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
Support posting as Saud Al Faisal. Article has been improved and is suitable for posting. Longest-serving foreign minister for any country, ever -- definite notability on that front. -Kudzu1 (talk) 23:35, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
Support RD, strong oppose blurb - DC is met, but I'm not seeing so much importance to require a blurb at all. --MASEM (t) 15:15, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
Support list, oppose blurb as he was apparently not seen as a pivotal figure in the region by overseas sources. Guy (Help!) 15:34, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
Support RD tag but oppose blurb, he was an essential and highly ranked Saudi politician, but not notable enough for a RD tag since he wasn't an internationally-renowned political figure. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 17:10, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
Oppose no real accomplishments listed nor participation in historical events implied, not a head of state, simply one of a large nepotistic (which I mean only objectively) monarchy. μηδείς (talk) 17:40, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
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Weak Oppose This looks like business as usual at the UN and I have serious doubts it rises to the level that we usually look for in terms of coverage and significance. That said, we are in a pretty slow news cycle so maybe we could give it a pass. In a busier news cycle I would oppose this more strongly. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:22, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
Support as significant in the burgeoning historical treatment of one of the most horrific acts in Europe since the 1940s and 1950s. Interestingly, the scuttlebutt from Belgrade is that Serbia agreed to abandon its application for NATO membership in order to obtain Russia's veto here. -Kudzu1 (talk) 16:38, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
Oppose - As said, it's "business as usual". Russia vetoes any UN resolution that is deemed a threat to international security, including sanctions over the Ukrainian crisis. Look at vetoes by the US regarding Israeli–Palestinian conflicts. George Ho (talk) 19:48, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
Weak oppose per above. The massacre is already considered a genocide by the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia and the International Court of Justice. So UN's decision to adopt a resolution on the 20th anniversary of the massacre and not much earlier looks like a publicity stunt, considering for example four toothless resolutions on Nagorno-Karabakh. The famed UN blue helmets of the 90s are unfortunately gone almost everywhere, in time of dire need... Brandmeister21:10, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
Oppose When is the last UN veto we posted? Just because it's obviously craven patronage doesn't make a policy decision into an historical event. μηδείς (talk) 00:38, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
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I've see 3 different articles on BBC about New Horizons in the last week, and since the actual flyby is less than a week away I think this would be a fine chance to give some spotlight to what some still want to think this is the 9th planet. Nergaal (talk) 15:11, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
Oppose ongoing, support blurb when it happens - It's going to be interesting when the first photos come back to us for analysis and wonderment, but I can't see the leadup to this being a ongoing element, as it only seems to be "it's getting closer -- it's getting closer..." type news until the closest passing actually happens, in contrast with daily violence in conflicts or near-daily match updates for sporting events. --MASEM (t) 15:16, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
Comment - One suggestion would be to post it when consensus has been established as it is already all over the news and in fact ongoing until 14 July atleast.--BabbaQ (talk) 15:18, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
The article now has some detailed pictures of Pluto in it! Which I think rather counts for something. Wnt (talk) 21:26, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
Support a Pluto blurb to run on July 15. See - there is a plan to cover image returns live on television starting 3 p.m. EDT that day. The probe will actually be OUT of contact on much of the 14th, so there won't be anything for us but the not-news that it MIGHT be recording things, AFAIK. We should be ready to move on the story to feature it the instant the images start coming out... or alternatively, to cover the tragic story of the probe that went into safe mode on flyby day (let's hope not, NASA says it has failsafes...) The first of these blurbs thus should be that New Horizons returns images from its July 14 flyby of Pluto...Wnt (talk) 21:26, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
Support posting the flyby per ITNR (the arrival of a probe at its destination) but I don't think ongoing is appropriate. There isn't a lead up to the flyby warranting coverage; the media attention nonwithstanding. 331dot (talk) 22:23, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
Oppose posting until next week, best pictures are expected Weds. Posting anything now is far too premature, and since this is a flyby, ongoing is also a bad idea. μηδείς (talk) 00:41, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
Next Wednesday should be the 15th, so I think we're in agreement. I'll add though that I don't know we'll see the best pictures the 15th - the probe is expected to take 16 months to upload images to NASA, and I have a feeling we'll be contenting ourselves with thumbnails and technical parameters at first. But ITNs tend to hang around a long time, so if there's an incoming stream of flyby images with fresh news coming in daily, it'll be good to have it up from the 15th till whenever it expires. Wnt (talk) 11:29, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
Oppose (for ongoing) All that's ongoing is that every day, we get a slightly less blurry photograph of the planet. Wait a few more days, and the best quality photographs (plus most of the best scientific data) will come out, and we'll have a good blurb. Smurrayinchester07:48, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
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