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	:That is simple ] and will not help your defence at the notice board. Hammond (secondary) explains that Cantacuzenus (primary) used "Albanians" for both Albanians and Vlachs who migrated from Albania into Greece. Read ].--] 16:13, 25 July 2015 (UTC)		:That is simple ] and will not help your defence at the notice board. Hammond (secondary) explains that Cantacuzenus (primary) used "Albanians" for both Albanians and Vlachs who migrated from Albania into Greece. Read ].--] 16:13, 25 July 2015 (UTC)


			Give me the page which you are referring about.However,the fact that Vlachs were called "Albanians" by Cantacuzenus doesn't mean that Hammond using the word "Albanians" means Albanians and Vlachs.Firstly,give me the page.] (]) 16:18, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

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@Zoupan:,as I said ,Hammond sauy : "In 1358, Albanians overran Epirus, Acarnania and Aetolia, and established two principalities under their leaders, John Spata and Peter Losha".So the word "Vlach" will be deleted.Rolandi+ (talk) 15:13, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Don't be ignorant. I presented Hammond at Malakasi, --Zoupan 15:47, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Nicholas Geoffrey Lemprière Hammond (1976). Migrations and Invasions in Greece and Adjacent Areas. Noyes Press. ISBN 978-0-8155-5047-1. One of the tribal names used by Cantacuzenus, 'Malakasii', was derived most probably from the plain 'Malakasa' or 'Malakastra' between Valona and Berat, which provides superb winter pasture. The name is evidently of Vlach origin ... They were in fact Vlachs; for the Vlach-speaking Malakasii and Bouii, who live today in central Pindus and in southern Thessaly, are undoubtedly descendants of these same people.9 They were called "Albanians" by Cantacuzenus, because they had come in a geographical sense from the area which he called "Albania"; this included the lowland plain of Malakasa ...

Vlachs should not be deleted. If the migration included Albanians and Vlachs, this should be explained, as is done by Hammond, instead of using Albanians which refers to people (collectively) from Albania.--Zoupan 15:47, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Do you think that I am ignorant?OK. Anyways,Hammond says "Albanians" and it will be "Albanians".As for the fact that some Vlachs were called "Albanians",it is explained at the article.The used reference says "Albanians" so it will be "Albanians".Rolandi+ (talk) 15:56, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

That is simple WP:POV and will not help your defence at the notice board. Hammond (secondary) explains that Cantacuzenus (primary) used "Albanians" for both Albanians and Vlachs who migrated from Albania into Greece. Read Misplaced Pages:Cherrypicking.--Zoupan 16:13, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Give me the page which you are referring about.However,the fact that Vlachs were called "Albanians" by Cantacuzenus doesn't mean that Hammond using the word "Albanians" means Albanians and Vlachs.Firstly,give me the page.Rolandi+ (talk) 16:18, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

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