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== Arbitration committee discussion == |
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<small><em>(Notice cross posted to: ], ], ], ], ], ] & ]. Please focus any discussion on the ]</em></small><p> |
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There is an ] pending related to this family of topics. ] (]) 11:36, 31 July 2015 (UTC) |
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== Public Health England Report August 2015 == |
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I saw the PHE report today, don't have time to add it but it's relevant. ] (]) 10:26, 19 August 2015 (UTC) |
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:Link copied from the the main EC talk: E-cigs estimated to be "95% less harmful to health than tobacco products". Press release, with links to the review ] (]) 09:56, 19 August 2015 (UTC) - indeed this is important, but it's 111 pages! The key findings are at the start. ] (]) 12:23, 19 August 2015 (UTC) |
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::There are a couple of recent round-ups of UK statements at and - both Guardian. ] (]) 14:24, 19 August 2015 (UTC) |
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"In 2015 ] released a report stating that e-cigarettes are estimated to be 95 per cent safer than smoking.<ref name=McNeill2015>{{cite web|last1=McNeill|first1=A, SC|title=E - cigarettes: an evidence update A report commissioned by Public Health England|url=https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/454516/Ecigarettes_an_evidence_update_A_report_commissioned_by_Public_Health_England.pdf|website=www.gov.uk|publisher=Public Health England|accessdate=19 August 2015|location=UK|date=2015}}</ref>"{{reflist|close=1}} Editors can add it to this page. For the main page the current evidence has not changed among reviews. ] (]) 18:55, 19 August 2015 (UTC) |
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== The source does verify this == |
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"Over the past few months, however, several reports have suggested that EC may pose more risks than previously thought." See page 76. The . ] (]) 21:23, 20 August 2015 (UTC) |
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::Read on - the report then criticises them one by one, and says they do not alter the 2014 95% figure as the best current estimate. But the 95% figure is certainly an estimate, and to use it obviously conveys that there is some remaining risk - the 5% left. I don't really think this needs spelling out. ] (]) 21:37, 20 August 2015 (UTC) |
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== The UK National Health Service == |
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I think it should be restored. If there is an update then we can use an updated source. ] (]) 19:24, 26 August 2015 (UTC) |
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:The 2014 NHS statement is outdated and now irrelevant due to the report by PHE. When the NHS issues a new statement, then it should be included. Please be advised that the NHS is ran by PHE so the PHE report will be what the NHS will eventually follow anyways.] (]) 20:50, 26 August 2015 (UTC) |
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::It is not clear to me that PHE directly oversees/regulates the NHS; rather, what limited information I could find suggests they work together but have different functions in the government. Do you have any sources that unambiguously state that PHE policies override NHS decisions/policies? ] (]) 21:10, 26 August 2015 (UTC) |
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:::No they don't, but they do generally work pretty closely together. I agree the existing text should be restored pending a new statement, but I expect there will be a new statement somewhere down the line. The NHS's patient information blog, and a blog by the Cabinet Secretary (Head of the civil service) have both covered it in a way that suggested they were all on the same page. Actual prescription may be politically difficult though, I'm guessing. ] (]) 01:12, 27 August 2015 (UTC) |
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