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== Removed uncited material ==

According to ]

There is a source, although it was not used, for the diary.

The only source I could find for the diary is Jay Nordlinger.

], in his book, ''In Castro's Corner — African Americans alleged affinity for Cuba'' claims that during the U.S. Marine invasion of the island, the diary of the former Grenadian defense minister was found, and that one entry (date not specified) in it read: "The Revo has been able to crush counter-revolution internationally. Airport will be used for Cuban and Soviet military."

This is all that Nordlinger says. He doesn't expand on that. I couldn't find a reference to it anywhere else that didn't reference his book or the book review for the National Review, that he is senior editor for, which makes it akin to self publishing to cite it in any case. The book is, from my brief look at it, pretty much what you'd expect from the title, a series of guilt by association 'allegations' against African Americans. Whatever. That isn't as important as, he gives no verification for it at all. He just says it. So I removed it to here, for discussion.

Ultimately it is a good thing. Because he was smearing Dellums I got to find out about Dellums trip from this page and put that in another article that needed it. ] (]) 14:15, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

::Good reference checking Archangel! Sounds like an article on Nordlinger might be and interesting read. And which article might the other one you alluded to be? Please educate us?] (]) 16:02, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

:::]
::: ] (]) 12:40, 5 February 2009 (UTC)


== Removed inaccurate assertion == == Removed inaccurate assertion ==


The DSA "historian" who claimed Dellums was the first socialist elected to congress after WW II ignores the tenure of ] who served 10 terms in Congress and was elected twice after the end of WW II, in 1946 and 1948, from New York's 18th Congressional District. After winning on the Republican party ticket in 1936, he was on the American Labor Party ticket but was elected as a fusion candidate often simultaneously taking the Democratic and Republican party majorities in his races. ] (]) 06:27, 11 September 2012 (UTC) The DSA "historian" who claimed Dellums was the first socialist elected to congress after WW II ignores the tenure of ] who served 10 terms in Congress and was elected twice after the end of WW II, in 1946 and 1948, from New York's 18th Congressional District. After winning on the Republican party ticket in 1936, he was on the American Labor Party ticket but was elected as a fusion candidate often simultaneously taking the Democratic and Republican party majorities in his races. ] (]) 06:27, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

== misrepresentations ==

"As crime rates in Oakland have remained high since Dellums took office in January 2007, at his first State of the City Address in January 2008, Dellums called for hiring more police officers. Dellums promised that by year's end, the police department would be fully staffed at 803 officers. On November 14, 2008, 38 Oakland police officers were added to the force after graduating the 165th academy, bringing the department's force to 837 officers, the most in OPD history."

:This makes it sound like Dellums was behind hiring more officers, when actually, this was a response to a ''lawsuit'' by a resident because a funds generated through a parcel tax residents passed to increase police staffing were being misused. The funds were to be locked up until the city reached "full staffing" of 803, then released to fund additional officers, but the city was spending the funds while the department was far under this number. Dellums had nothing to do with this other than doing his duties as required by law. ] (]) 21:18, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

::As is the case with United States Presidents, who are generally held accountable for the economic successes and failures that occur during their time in office, it could be strongly argued in a similar fashion that big city american mayors are also held accountable, not only for police staffing, but even more broadly for crime stats that are chalked-up on their watch. The body politic of Oakland and local new media held Dellums' predacessor ] accountable for the same crime and police issues, albeit in a different way perhaps. Your analysis of the Measure Y suit is an entirely different conversation in and of itself. Measure Y funds were not dedicated simply to hiring more officers; part of the money was actually earmarked by Oakland voters for social programs, remember? Back to staffing, take a good look at Oakaland's city charter, and you will see that the 'strong mayor' (I'm assuming you know what that means) actually does have hiring and firing authority over the Police Chief and City Administrator and not-insignifcant influence over fiscal year budget proposals, you know those annoying little details that affect things like police hiring freezes and whether there will be two, one or no police academy classes next year. If that merely constitutes an executuion of "duties required by law," you can make an argument that he's really anti-police in his heart of hearts until you're blue in the face, but that doesn't take away from the bottom line that he brought OPD up to 837 officers during his second year in office. I'd be remiss if I didn't point out that he accomplished this while simultaneously pushing for the "civilianization" of certain OPD jobs that do not necessitate a sworn officer with a quarter million dollars of first year salary and training. ] 01:02, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

:How does that change the '''bottom line''' that Dellums was responding to both a lawsuit and citizen outrage? The writing makes it sound like Dellums pulled for this, leading the charge, when in actuality he ''reacted''.
Measure Y money can only be ''legally'' spent when the city pays for 739 officers out of ''non-measure-Y'' funds. Well the city wasn't upholding its end of the bargain: spending the measure Y money ''and'' shrinking the force below 739
:Dellums pushed to get measure NN, another $75 million tax, on the ballot, knowing full well it would fail and he could claim "what can i say? the people voted against more police". What citizen would vote for another police tax when Dellums and the city refused to spent the taxes raised through measure Y on police?
:] comparisons aside, I think using less expensive staff where appropriate is a good idea. But none of that changes the misprepresentations in the article. ] (]) 17:45, 18 November 2009 (UTC)


== "Bringing home the bacon" == == "Bringing home the bacon" ==

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Removed inaccurate assertion

The DSA "historian" who claimed Dellums was the first socialist elected to congress after WW II ignores the tenure of Vito Marcantonio who served 10 terms in Congress and was elected twice after the end of WW II, in 1946 and 1948, from New York's 18th Congressional District. After winning on the Republican party ticket in 1936, he was on the American Labor Party ticket but was elected as a fusion candidate often simultaneously taking the Democratic and Republican party majorities in his races. Activist (talk) 06:27, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

"Bringing home the bacon"

Hardly encyclopedic language. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.148.136.108 (talk) 16:07, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

2.2.5 "Opposition to integration of gays in the military"

That entire paragraph needs proper citation. Another editor weighed in on this topic by reverting the paragraph. I'm inclined to keep it out of the article also until it can be properly sourced from the Congressional Record, or any other sources, particularly the part about Dellums opposing defense appropriations "on economic principles." This is no place for WP:OR. Please weigh in on this, I'd like to hear from other editors on this issue. CriticalChris 06:17, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

I see that few seem to have been particularly interested in this (the above author posted nearly four years ago), but this passage also caught my eye. Not only is the sourcing lackluster, but I think the title is misleading, for it suggests at a casual glance that Dellums was opposed to integration. Rscannix (talk) 01:52, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Primary sourcing, UNDUE, POV, SYNTH

I undid this edit for the following reasons

  • "Far Left" - The article on the Peace and Freedom Party calls them left, not far left, while the Black Panthers were describes them as black nationalist and socialist; these are centre-left, not far left. (Maoist, for example, are far left). Seems like POV pushing to label these groups as "far left".
    • Supported by these groups - two primary sources, from 1968 and 1970 - are used to support the statement that support for Dellums came from these groups. Using two primary sources from 45 and 47 years ago to draw conclusions seems like WP:SYNTH
    • Focussing on support from two groups, without a proper analysis of where Dellums support came from in a broader context, raises concerns about WP:UNDUE
    • "Often referred to as a political radical" - again, it's inappropriate to draw from 45-47-year-old primary sources.
  • Nicaragua - again, a statement without context, drawn from a 35-year-old primary source, raises questions of UNDUE.

We can't have editors delving into ancient primary sources to cherry-pick bits of information or draw novel conclusions. Guettarda (talk) 04:52, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

And this uses an SPS to make disparaging statements about a living person, which is not acceptable per policy. And it looks like there's existing information sourced to David Horowitz's "FrontPage Mag", which is not considered a reliable source for news, far less for a BLP (per extensive discussion in the archives on WP:RSN. Guettarda (talk) 05:04, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

  • It was not cherry picking that the primary sources are not "ancient." These two bogus criticisms are evidence of WP:BIAS
  • The sources used were standard accepted sources, among them the New York Times.
  • Because a source is 45 to 47 years old does not make it false. In fact it is very appropriate considering that they are contemporary sources.
  • Calling the Black Panthers "centre-left" is laughable. The group is even listed as Far-Left in the article on Far-left politics. And John F. Kennedy historian Arthur M. Schlessinger in "The Imperial Presidency" (p. 258) referred to the Peace and Freedom Party as Far-Left. Both groups are connected to the Workers World Party, a Marxist-Leninist group. It is you who is pushing POV.
  • The two assertions about WP:UNDUE are fallacious. The sources used are all Reliable Sources and the assertions appeals to novelty, a logical fallacy.
  • As for the message regarding living people, said articles should have both positive and negative information as long as they are supported by the facts, otherwise they will not have a neutral POV.Rickm7x (talk) 05:31, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
  • Additionally, you incorrectly removed an item as SPS, but if you had looked at the source it had a pdf of the actual letter. The letter can be seen on the cited page, therefore it does not constitute SPS.Rickm7x (talk) 05:45, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

I did not add information from FrontPage Mag. That was another user. You need to check your facts before making accusations.Rickm7x (talk) 05:33, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Based on the above, I undid your revisions and removed the citation from FrontPage Mag that was introduced by another user/editor as SPS.Rickm7x (talk) 05:53, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

The letter can be seen on the cited page, therefore it does not constitute SPS - Please don't make as transparently false a claim as this. Guettarda (talk) 06:02, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
  1. Articles need to be based on high-quality secondary and tertiary sources. Especially controversial material about living people. When you pick two sources from almost half a century ago, you're cherry picking. Why? Because you aren't representing the full spectrum of primary source material. Of course, we can't fairly represent half a century of primary sources. Which is why we use secondary and tertiary sources.
  2. Yes, some of these are reliable sources. I never said otherwise.
  3. Quite honestly, I know nothing the Peace and Freedom party (PFP). So sure, if you provide a source that says that they are Maoist or Marxist in their ideology, I'll believe you. But saying that they were linked to the Workers World Party is just the typical sort of claim that people make who are trying to invent reasons to invent connections. You know, like the people who have to label groups as Far Left. In the book "Maoism in the Developed World" it says that "a diversity of far left groups" operated in the PFP. The book "The Negro in Third Party Politics" says the same thing. The book "Presidential Election" refers to it as a "far left group." In the book, "Tom Bradley's Campaign for Governor" it calls the PFP "the flagship of the far left." Is this a sufficient amount of secondary sources from respected authors and presses that call it Far Left? As for the Wiki article, it's wrong.
  4. Please read WP:UNDUE. It's entirely orthogonal to WP:RS.
  5. And no, WP:BLP does not permit unsourced or poorly-sourced negative material. Even when it's true. That's just policy. Guettarda (talk) 06:13, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
A. Voting information is of necessity going to have to come from that time period. Moreover, the sources constituted reliable mainstream news sources. That is not cherry-picking. Additional sourcing can be added, but it will not change the factual information that was included. For the information on Ron Dellums' secretary, this is also cited by Guenter Lewy in "The Cause that Failed" (Oxford University Press) on p. 223. Another source is "The Grenada Documents" (Sherwood Press) which transcribed the documents. But again, seeing the original document itself is best, which is on the blog.
B. Maoism and Marxism are not the only examples of the Far Left. In fact, however, the Black Panther Party was Marxist and around the time the subject ran for office, Eldridge Cleaver, a leader in the BPP ran for President on the Peace and Freedom Party. This is noted on his Wiki page. If you read the Wiki page for the BPP you will see it is designated as Far-Left. Providing the link to the WWP was just to provide an example as I did not think it necessary to provide multiple sources, but if that is what is needed to end this, I will.
C. "Orthogonal" is a technical term with different meanings depending on the context. Do you mean tangential?
D. Nothing I provided was unsourced or poorly-sourced.Rickm7x (talk) 06:45, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

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