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Request for advice on whether to report potential edit warring

I would like to ask your advice on whether or not I should report Ring Cinema for edit warring, since his editing may not explicitly violate the 3RR, but as I understand it you have noted he is a persist edit warrer (around September 19, 2014. The edits in question on his current edit warring revolve around two Michael Caine films, Deathtrap (film) and Sleuth (1972 film) Two days ago I added a sentence to the leads of both of these article noting the similarities of these films, and providing citations of reviews by Roger Ebert and Janet Maslin that explicitly mention the similarities between these films, as well as three published books that mention the similarities. Yesterday Ring Cinema repeatedly reverted these changes on the Deathtrap article. At that point, I attempted to start a discussion with him. Since then, he has reverted the change again. This is his third revert. His first revert was 16:25, 4 August 2015‎, and his last revert was 16:51, 5 August 2015‎. At 16:51, 5 August 2015, he also reverted the almost exact same sentence in the Sleuth article. So while it's two different articles, it is the exact same issue with the exact same editors in the two articles, and he is at 4 reverts of it in barely over 24 hours. This feels like edit warring if not a cut-and-dried violation of 3RR. I have opened a discussion of the content dispute on WP:DRN, but do you think I should also go to ANI/3rr? Mmyers1976 (talk) 20:31, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Report him if you think his actions are deserving of being reported, Mmyers1976. I have no opinion one way or the other. Yes, he and I have tangled previously, but I don't hold any animosity toward him and I'm certainly not looking for reasons to see him taken to a noticeboard. If you believe it's as cut and dried as you say, do what you think is appropriate. If you, however, have been edit warring as well, be prepared for a possible WP:BOOMERANG. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 20:34, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

I asked because I believe it's not cut and dried, it's more of those ambiguous situations like he was warned about before, and also because of the open DRN discussion, I don't want to look like I'm forum-shopping. I counted and have 3 reverts on the Deathtrap article, and then I stopped and discussed. Even though he has reverted me again on that article, I have let it stand pending the DRN. I have not reverted at all on the Sleuth article, and I have let his revert stand pending the DRN, so I believe I'm clear of an edit warring boomerang charge. Mmyers1976 (talk) 20:43, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

I see you have also asked Drmies for advice. I would go with whatever he says. I've found his advice wise and unbiased as well as trustworthy. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 20:48, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, will do. Mmyers1976 (talk) 20:50, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Too much praise, Winkelvi. I'm a bit mobile and the keyboard is sticky (it's in Alabama, as am I), and I haven't looked at diffs yet, so pardon the brevity. But y'all, realize that WP:AN3 is also WP:EWN, that is, Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring--in other words, while the template may suggest it's all about three reverts, it's a noticeboard for edit warring, and that's a broader thing than just 3R violations. You might say that's more liberal, but it's also intended, I believe, to bring to admin attention the more persistent edit warriors who tend to work long-term, outside of the clear bright line of 3R. So if you're suspecting someone of such edit warring, and if, of course, you're not the only one reverting them, you may well report it--just write up a good report in which you lay out the case.

It may be (but this is possibly not of any interest to you) that the "punishment" is different. Clear 3R violations are frequently met with a short block to prevent 4R, 5R, etc.; long-term edit warring violations sometimes call for different matters, and it may be that the matter ends up on ANI for POV editing or whatever. But don't be afraid to report edit warring: Bbb23 and EdJohnston know what they're doing. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 22:06, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, great info, helped my understanding a lot. replied in full on your talk. Mmyers1976 (talk) 22:41, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi, I just received your message. The reason I changed the information regarding Meredith's date of birth, which I'm assuming is the reason for your message, is because of a photo Josh Duggar just posted of his daughter. In the caption of the photo he says that Meredith is one month old today which would indicate that she had been born on July 16th and not July 19th. I think they simply announced the birth on July 19th in order to give Anna time to rest and the children a chance to bond with their new sister. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Beckym1983 (talk • contribs) 17:40, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Duggar date

Hi, I just received your message. The reason I changed the information regarding Meredith's date of birth, which I'm assuming is the reason for your message, is because of a photo Josh Duggar just posted of his daughter. In the caption of the photo he says that Meredith is one month old today which would indicate that she had been born on July 16th and not July 19th. I think they simply announced the birth on July 19th in order to give Anna time to rest and the children a chance to bond with their new sister. (Beckym1983 (talk) 17:42, 16 August 2015 (UTC))

Thanks for responding, Beckym1983. It's important that when content is changed -- especially dates -- that you give a reason for the change in the edit summary and that a reliable source is provided to support the change. As far as I know (without looking first), I believe the 19th date is sourced. I will check to make sure that's the case. If not, then we can look into the 16th date for accuracy and change that content accordingly. Thanks for wanting to edit for accuracy! -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 17:46, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Ted Cruz Edit

Thanks for your note regarding my recent edit to Ted Cruz. I saw that resource you flagged referenced on a page for another candidate and thought it was useful for establishing ideological context, do you have suggestions on how to be able to provide that type of information from resources like Crowdpac in a way that isn't promotional? Thank you. Dapcrescendo9 (talk) 18:09, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Dapcrescendo9, the addition of the content was problematic from three aspects: It's not from a reliable source, it's from a biased source, and the source is promotional/spam in nature. You may not have intended for it to be "spammy", but it would likely be seen as such, regardless. The biased nature of the source you provided is also not acceptable. If you are able to find an unbiased, reliable source that can support that content, you are welcome to add it to the article. As it is, however, we cannot accept the content. Please see WP:SPAM, WP:REF, and WP:NPOV for more. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 18:14, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Winkelvi, thanks very much for your response, very helpful. Can you help me understand how the source is biased? One of the things I found useful about them is that they appear to be very objective politically outside of the issue of money in politics. I found their scoring model to be useful in that it is based on objective analysis of campaign contributions, and have seen them cited a few different places. I've seen similar methodology to the one they used from sources like fivethirtyeight.com and have seen their data cited in a few major media outlets. I very much appreciate you taking the time to respond to me and am just looking to better understand how bias is being defined. Would it be better to combine that data with other sources that have included that data or similar data? Thanks again. Dapcrescendo9 (talk) 18:50, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

1. "Is Jeb Bush Too Liberal To Win The Republican Nomination In 2016?". August 18, 2015.
2. "Crowdpac in the news". August 18, 2015.

It's biased because it is a pro-Conservative political action group, even though they claim to be non-partisan, the group's founder is a strong Conservative and much of their reports are anti-Liberal. Beyond this, addition of the source you provided is promotional. At the top of the chart was a solicitation for funds to the Conservative candidates listed. The inclusion of such is inappropriate. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 19:08, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Walker

Hi Winkelvi. FYI: Misplaced Pages:Graphics_Lab/Photography_workshop#Scott_WalkerAnythingyouwant (talk) 01:44, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

George Takei

Could you please let me know what you were referring to as "relevant information" for the George Takei article I edited. Both sections I edited seemed to have nitpicking information that wasn't necessarily relevant to the page. Thanks! Mitchmasontim (talk) 17:50, 20 August 2015 (UTC)Mitchmasontim

If it happened and is written in a manner consistent with policy on Misplaced Pages biographies of living persons (BLPs), notablity, and citing reliable references, then it's inclusion-worthy. We don't keep negative content out of BLPs just because it's negative (which was the reasoning for removal you cited in the edit summary). -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 17:54, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Your presence is appreciated at Talk:Brian Austin Green

While there has been consensus gained at the talk page for Brian Austin Green, it seems a newly-established anonymous editor is wanting to ignore consensus, so I am reopening discussion and given our mutual respect of each other, I'm inviting you to come to the talk page to discuss matters concerning biographies of living persons and its policies concerning names, etc. livelikemusic 22:00, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Jared Fogle

Hasn't Jared publicly admitted to having sex below the age of consent (which is 16, 17 or 18 depending on what state you're in). Well, I still find the pedophilia category inaccurate. Pedophilia is a medical diagnosis and while it has been said he has a medical condition and will be receiving treatment for sexual disorders, they haven't specifically said he has pedophilia. Andrea Carter (at your service | my good deeds) 22:57, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Yes, he has had sex with minors and that is one of the things he was charged with. He was not charged with rape. He has also been charged with being in possession of and distributing child pornography. You could be right about the pedophilia category, however, you are incorrect to add a category for rape. Categories, of course, have to be supported by article content as well as reliable sources. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 23:00, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Isn't sex with people under 16 considered rape? I am probably right about the pedophilia category. In order to be diagnosed with pedophilia you must be primarily attracted to people under 11 (something that doesn't appear to be true with him). He has a sexual disorder but until he has a diagnosis he shouldn't be in the pedophilia category. Andrea Carter (at your service | my good deeds) 23:10, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Rape has different definitions. That said, if the sources don't support that he raped anyone, and the charges don't say he raped anyone, then we don't say he raped anyone. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 23:16, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

You're right. Andrea Carter (at your service | my good deeds) 23:18, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Canvassing

Hi, I just read your post on WP:RSN. Informing noticeboards of RFC's that have questions are normally dealt with on those boards is not canvassing. You can read here for other appropriate places to publicise a RFC that are not canvassing. AlbinoFerret 00:22, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up, AlbinoFerret. With the other comments left in conjunction with the RfC notification, there was an intent for something else. Trust me on this. As always, it's good to hear from you - I hope you are well. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 00:25, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Yes, the statement was not neutral, but I wanted you to know what is acceptable so that you dont make unintentional false statements. I'm doing good, hope you are also. AlbinoFerret 00:40, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

I appreciate it. Glad you are doing well -- I am, also! -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 00:41, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

FrozenFan2?

You might want to look at Meg0n00by as a possible sock. BMK (talk) 14:43, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

I will. Thanks for letting me know, BMK. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 18:33, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

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Sorry

Look, if I did add unsourced information, than I'm sorry. I was just trying to make articles sound more appropriate with better information. It's actually a good thing the kids were removed to keep it private. That's a good thing, I agree. But, I still apologize if I did add unsourced information. I've also been seeing a lot of incorrect information on the site too, and I've been trying to fix them. That's what I've been doing too. 71.232.184.131 (talk) 22:48, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

SPI notifications

Hi there, just an FYI, you don't need to slap SPI notifications on editors pages each time you file an SPI. (The four SPI notifications at FrozenFan2's talk page are not helpful since they're likely not logging in or checking that page and it looks kinda goofy.) In fact, unlike an ANI case, it's completely optional to notify the suspected sock at all. I prefer to not notify the sock at all because doing so tips them off that you're suspicious, which tends to encourage them to go out with a bang and open a new account. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:10, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Louis C.K.

Hi Winkelvi. I received a message from you regarding the deletion of an edit I made in the article "Louis C.K.," due to the lack of a citation. I would be glad to provide the basis of the edit if you'd be so kind as to refresh this old man's memory as to what I changed (I work as an editor elsewhere and that was many edits ago :) Thanks, and please feel free to email me if that is more convenient (tonyn_at_greenvilleguardian_dot_org). 184.3.226.115 (talk) 11:20, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Duggar

Hello,

"In 1984, Duggar Michelle Ruark." doesn't sound grammatical to me. Is there a quirk of the English language that makes it correct to omit the word "married"?

https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Jim_Bob_Duggar&diff=679158632&oldid=679156228 15.211.201.85 (talk) 20:27, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

That was an error on my part, thought I corrected it, but didn't. My apologies for any confusion. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 20:38, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

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On Denali

Come on, you know it's true. 24.255.44.92 (talk) 05:47, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Which is completely beside the point. Follow the link he helpfully provided to you and learn how to use article talk pages correctly. ―Mandruss ☎ 05:57, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

User:24.255.44.92, you're being disruptive just for the sake of being disruptive. Talk pages are not a forum. If that's what you're looking for, do it outside Misplaced Pages, not here. And if you didn't come to my talk page to truly discuss, rather, to just stir the pot some more, please stay off this page. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 15:40, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

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Sidney Blackmer

Sorry, his house is probably notable enough for an article.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 16:45, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Vchimpanzee: What is the point of your message here? -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 16:46, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

You reverted my split. You want this discussed first, Meanwhile, I'm going ahead and finishing the separate article and then we can decide what to do.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 16:48, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Do whatever you feel you must do, Vchimpanzee, (as long as it complies with policy, that is). Removing a large section of an established article all on your own isn't a great idea. Please discuss per BRD at the Blackmer article talk page as to why you believe the content doesn't belong in the Sidney Blackmer article. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 16:53, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Okay. The article I am creating is about the man's house, not the man. I was waiting until I felt sure the house on its own was notable. I'm working on the talk page discussion now.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 16:55, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

The template is in the article but due to a glitch repeatedly discussed on WP:VPT I can't see it. It may need fixing.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 17:00, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Looking at the part of the article I removed before you reverted, Blackmer's name is hardly mentioned. His last name is used only as part of the name of the house, and his son who is of course not the subject of the article is mentioned. And by the way, I've learned to be suspicious of IPv6 edits, and I noticed you restored to a version by an IPv6, which turned out to be vandalism.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 17:45, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

No one has commented on the split, but I believe I'm justified in my action. As long as I doubted the notability of the house, it was probably all right to have the details in the article. now, no one has questioned the house's notability and I think we are okay. — Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 18:55, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

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Undid

I made a recent edit to Jesse Ventura's page changing his unit affiliation and using a website address that had 3 pages of factual interviews from various Vietnam era SEALs that was copyrighted by Bill Salsibury yet you deleted the footnote citing it wasnt a credible website, yet several other attached footnotes from other websites were left alone and thus were deemed credible. What is your criteria for credibility on a website? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.87.75.69 (talk) 13:27, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Well, it's not my criteria, it's Misplaced Pages's criteria for verification of references and referencing. The The reference you provided is a self-published source and that's not acceptable for referencing. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 00:15, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

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Ahmed Arrest

I think you are misreading the press release. There's a possible distinction with juveniles regarding custody but the reasons for taking him to a juvenile detention center for processing is functionally equivalent to an arrest. "Taking him into custody" = "Arrested." They cited the law he was arrested and that would have been the probable cause for taking into custody. For adults, they would not have been able to take a person into custody like that without an arrest. A Terry stop is a detention. People are making more out of handcuffing, though. It's generally policy in police departments that anyone arrested is handcuffed with hands behind their back while being transported unless a medical condition prevents it. After arrest and further investigation, they chose not to charge him but it doesn't negate the arrest. --DHeyward (talk) 05:05, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

And I stand corrected that in Texas, for juveniles they explicitly state that "taken into custody" is not considered an "arrest" under the law. --DHeyward (talk) 05:16, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

I think his detention does constitute "arrest". The law in question (as I understand it) says that when someone has been arrested but is free not to disclose it, they can say "no" and be considered to have answered truthfully. I think that's because requiring them to say "yes but I'm not required to disclose this fact" would be incoherent: it would require them to disclose the fact in the course of saying that they're not required to. As I understand it, there is instead an implicit clause, in effect: it says only "Have you ever been arrested?", but it means "Have you ever been arrested, that isn't privileged from disclosure?" Furthermore, if I read it correctly, the Texas statute on kidnapping and unlawful restraint makes exception "when it is for the purpose of effecting a lawful arrest or detaining an individual lawfully arrested" -- not when it's either arrest or the substitute-for-arrest applicable a juvenile. (There are a bunch of clauses saying it's lawful to restrain a child, or for a child to restrain another child without force, intimidation, or deception. So I might have missed a pseudo-arrest clause in there. But I don't think so.) Nor do I think that this detention constitutes a Terry Stop. Here's how Terry describes arrest: An arrest is the initial stage of a criminal prosecution. It is intended to vindicate society's interest in having its laws obeyed, and it is inevitably accompanied by future interference with the individual's freedom of movement, whether or not trial or conviction ultimately follows. That's what they were doing. At that point, they suspected that he had perpetrated a bomb hoax, and were acting toward a possible prosecution for that offense. Finally, there's video of the police chief being asked about the "arrest", and not objecting to that description of what happened. --Dan Wylie-Sears 2 (talk) 02:32, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

I disagree. There is so much about this incident the media has gotten wrong (for instance, saying charges were dropped - there were never any charges filed) that I'm sick of reading the distortions of the truth in the news. Nothing personal, but I'm also sick of talking about whether he was arrested or not arrested, to be honest. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 02:36, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

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Arrested

Maybe best course of action is to make a request at WP:RS/N and ask for other editors to weigh in on this. I think that the back-and-forth between you, TheRedPenOfDoom, BarrelProof, and I on this subject has been exhausted already and unlikely to yield a resolution that will satisfy you. - Cwobeel (talk) 22:16, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

You really templated me ?

Nice going, but no. I'm enforcing WP:POLEMIC, consensus exists that his writing is polemic and per the policy, it needs to be removed, full stop. KoshVorlon 16:43, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Yeah. Twice now. Cut the bullshit. You were told to move on. Do it before you get taken to a noticeboard and will surely be blocked. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 16:45, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, cool story bro, but I have both consensus and policy on my side, you don't have anything except WP:ILIKEIT. Take it there, if you dare! KoshVorlon 16:51, 28 September 2015 (UTC) PS: You reverted me with Twinkle and you referred to me edit as vandalism, which it wasn't. That's a mis-use of Twinkle, better read the manual again sport! KoshVorlon 17:06, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Where is this alleged consensus to be found and viewed? -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 17:08, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

It was in the edit summary | here . KoshVorlon 17:22, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

As I said: Blocked for disruptive behavior. You should have seen it coming. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 17:26, 28 September 2015 (UTC)