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"…and that's why my moustache is woven from asbestos."
In the end, you'll probably regret it, but maybe, in the end, you'll also have made a difference damn fool of yourself. I hope so. Best, BMK (talk) 03:22, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
Good job. You truly made the world a better place. There's no I in team. Stop making excuses. One game at a time. Time to make a play. We just have to keep following the process. Drmies (talk) 04:26, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
WARNING:Comment from bitter, disillusioned former arb ahead: Don't worry, you won't make any real differnece. You can stem the tide of insanity, but pushing it back and restoring sanity (if indeed it ever existd here) is too big a task for just fifteen people, no matter how good they are and what superpowers they have. I do think you will make a good arb. On the other hand, I thought Newyorkbrad was a good arb, and he was on there forever and yet... here we are. The best part is when it's over. Normal Wiki-drama seems so easy to deal with afterward. Now, I am off to compose the most complicated "gotcha" question for you I can... Beeblebrox (talk) 04:16, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
Please don't. I'm only running because Kelapstick made me (I made a big mistake sending him naked selfies a few weeks ago). I equally foolishly volunteered to head a search committee so I can't handle too many questions. Drmies (talk) 04:19, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
Always knew you for a B-Boy. I'm watching some Sherlock Holmes movie on TV cause I couldn't watch CNN and MSNBC anymore. Well, they end up in Paris and there's a bomb. I click on Recent changes and on almost every page there's something related to the Paris attack. I vainly hope to wake up tomorrow and it was all a dream. Drmies (talk) 05:15, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
Can't blame you for turning off the 24 hour news. Filling space, needing something to talk about every second, has turned these supposed reporters into ghouls for years now. I'm not that old, just broke 40 now, but I do remember an ole days when a witness spoke for themselves and when they say something was horrible the horror spoke for itself. It was obvious. That's not changed because people are people. What's changed is these networks essentially following up with, how horrible was it? Give me sound bites. Ugh, digression. Glad you're running for Arb even given that most ex-Arbs say your soul is going to be left desolate after your tenure. Capeo (talk) 06:19, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
In minor despair, you won my support by the answer to my second question. Kindly try to win my neutral also. Your present answer to #1 claims done for what you undid on my request. For the general reader who will not study the editing history of that "obscure" opera, please copy your reasoning to the answers and perhaps explain how you arrive at disagreeing with Gamaliel ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:37, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for putting your head on the block. You'd better get elected because if you don't and I do, there will be hell to pay and I'll never talk to you again. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:37, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
I'm going to stop complaining, Kudpung. I'm reading about people at a concert who were pleading with killers so their wives could live. What a world. And here we are writing Good Articles on Meghan Trainor and hurricanes. Drmies (talk) 15:18, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
This is the kind of election that makes me glad I'm old enough to vote. And I'm extremely glad you're willing to do this (and not just because I'm enjoying reading Marie de France on your recommendation). - Macspaunday (talk) 18:50, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
Macspaunday, you are clearly leaving me this friendly note as a reminder. I believe I mentioned that BooksAMillion was all out of books that didn't have BDSM or vampires in them, and I need to find a decent copy from a colleague. I promise you I will, having just finished Miles Davis's autobio, and Paul Kingsnorth's The Wake. Yes, Marie de France, what a blast. Let's all play a game, one about me since this is my talk page: what do you think my favorite lay is? Drmies (talk) 21:31, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
No conscious motive of a reminder, though I admit there may have been an unconscious one... So, you ask: which is your favorite? I'm only halfway through, but I would say "Le Fresne": you prefer things to end in harmony. How is that for a guess? (Incidentally, I finished reading the Decameron straight through for the first time a few months ago, so I feel as if I'm in familiar territory here.) - Macspaunday (talk) 03:20, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
The Decameron...a dirty mind is a joy forever... No, sorry. Le Fresne is great, and I do like a happy ending, but it reminds me too much of The Clerk's Tale, and I just cannot do that Christian patience. No, it's Laustic. There, I said it. Drmies (talk) 04:25, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
Laüstic, eh? It's next on my list, and will read it with special interest. Today, however, I'm marking up student papers, for better or worse. Will be back soon! - Macspaunday (talk) 13:37, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
Thanks--some of those questions are tough. Others are much better at answering--I've been thinking of just copying Keilana's answers. Except for that EMT part--I couldn't fake that. Drmies (talk) 04:23, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
Some of those questions really nearly made me vomit and I won't provide answers that pander to their pompous arrogance just to get their vote. Arbcom election is not supposed to be RfA Mk.II It’s a shame that some editors are turning the question section into a farce. They are either fishing for opinions on their own actions in the past, or fishing for answers to general knowledge that they didn't learn in grade school or can’t be bothered to look up themselves. Some are just veiled PA designed to disparage the candidate.
Like RfA , it’s hardly surprising that not many people out of our thousands of editors and admins are prepared to step forward. Perhaps it would be a good idea to abolish the questions section for future elections, and give the candidates more than only 400 words. Voters should do their own research and vote as they think appropriate. A secret poll is quite different from RfA and the community needs to understand that an Arbcom election is not an RfA re-run and another venue to throw shit at people with impunity. I'm in the running but I'm still not wholly convinced that a seat on the Committee is what I really want and I'm fully capable of withdrawing at the drop of a hat before or even after the event. Anyway, knowing that Drmies is almost certainly going to be elected, I would be quite happy to continue to wield my wicked block hammer at ANI. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:36, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
Kudpung, I don't know. I made plenty enemies here, I think, what with my continuous enabling of notorious longterm-chasers-away of good editors, my refusal to block certain editors and my willy-nilly blocking all over the place, with my declining to block for insulting language and my simultaneous insistence on Political Correctness Run Amok. I'm reminded of my RfA, where one oppose vote was for not supporting an indef-block on someone, and the other oppose vote was from that someone I didn't want indef-blocked. Also, there are some really good candidates who come with a lot less baggage than yours truly, and who may be in a better, more youthful spirit. Yes, the loaded questions are a bit bothersome, but hey, that's how Misplaced Pages works. Those who are really interested in making this a better place don't save up their diffs for that one occasion where they can publicly humiliate a fellow Wikipedian; I'm particularly disappointed in Spartaz's loaded question. What's funny is that such behavior immediately puts the lie to this "blue line" accusation: admins are perfectly capable of stabbing someone in the back in a very public venue. Drmies (talk) 16:11, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
Personally, I consider the q-pages at arbcom to be a good dose of what the actual arb-case-pages are kinda like. Lots of people with lots of extremely convoluted question, trying to influence you to see the world a certain way (usually their way). Backstory behind every question. No simple answers. Plenty of outright incivility, and VAST reservoirs of nominally-polite yet fundamentally not-very-damn-nice commentary, phrased in a way to avoid NPA by a hair, or a fig leaf, or whatever cliche you wish to utilize. Hard to make a difference (heh) under such trying circumstances, but a lot easier if you have a strong *group* of arbs and arb-candidates. In other words, don't quit now Kudpung, por favor. But do be fully aware, that probably the q-pages are just a taste of what the next two years will be like. WP:CHOICE applies as always, o'course. Best, 75.108.94.227 (talk) 09:23, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
Well, Drmies, dunno about youthful. I've come across some extraordinarily intelligent young people in my time - linguists, mathematicians, medics, chess players, but it didn't always mean they were able to exercise the judgment of an adult. And that's why I think it's a good idea to have some not-quite-so-young people on the Committee like you, and some really old people like me and DGG. There's no denying the fact that a long and active RL brings with it it a baggage of useful stuff. . I don't think I'll be voting for really young candidates or young ones who are running for a second term. I've tried to give those questioners a dose of their own medicine. My answers are designed to demonstrate that while I do at least have a sense of humour, I'm a no-nonsese kind of gu, take things very seriously, and don't suffer fools gladly - and that's exactly how I would work on Arbcom if elected. Some of them won't see that though, because the answers are not the submissive crawllng they expected; nor are they to help them bridge deficiencies in their own general knowledge, nor to tell them that they handled past cases correctly. I won't be sent on fool's errands for hours like the old French expression used by parents to their pesky children: 'Va dehors, voir si j'y suis' . I'm glad someone asked me about the anti-admin brigade - they must have been looking in the mirror when they wrote that. It's funny, every morning when I have a shave I tend to see a familiar face... Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 20:41, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
Recently, I’ve been plowing through ANI as if I were a blind alien touching an elephant. The resulting hypothesis was that Misplaced Pages is a grand experiment to identify nasty people. I could be wrong. I’ll go back to touching articles and let those with the required fortitude deal with the underbelly.:) Good luck. Objective3000 (talk) 01:03, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
Well, I thought I'd show Ealdgyth where it's at, and make an article edit for every edit to ACE. And wouldn't you know it, I run into a geographical article on some community in Spain with 283 people (though the Spanish wiki had 350...strange...) so I can do nothing, and then I get summoned at ANI again. I managed to make a few edits on a soccer player. Yes, article space is infinitely more rewarding. Also, "backstory"--there's some editors trying to get some old wounds reopened (or resutured, I don't know); Kudpung, you know those editors are not going to be convinced. Like DGG says, one can only hope to convince their audience.
Anyways, I got beets roasting and the dishes are done, so I got some time to make some Quality Edits to our Beautiful Project.™ Drmies (talk) 01:37, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
What do I have to do to win your vote? How about I don't block you for that first video, clearly a BLP violation? (Poor guy--you hear the first leg crack, and you know he's using all kinds of butt muscles to keep balanced, all the while talking...don't know what he's saying, but I think it was grammatically correct and all that.) Drmies (talk) 19:40, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
Yes, remarkable poise I thought. (Sorry I couldn't find the clip I really wanted). I'm sure a block for my first video would win you quite a few votes, although not necessarily one from me. But then at least folks could enjoy the second one all the more! Martinevans123 (talk) 19:57, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
Yep, he's a real misogynist.
Having exposed one questioner's set of questions for being posed on a political platfrm with an intent to brand me as a mysoginist and the rest of their questions as grossly inapprpriate just because I don't actively fight females' battles for them has obviously got me a place on the 'Oppose' section of their voter guide. But to put Drmies there as well is simply beyond me. Now that I have experienced an Arbcom election first-hand, I must say it really is a farce. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:22, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
Well, the election is just a taste of what a two year term is like. As WTT says, you can expect to be a target, whether you are too activist or are considered not activist enough. And there are 14 other people you need to work with who you may or may not get along with...reading the statements of former arbitrators, this can be what causes individuals to end their term early. Liz20:15, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
Kudpung, I don't rightly know what voter guide you're talking about, and please don't tell me--it's just a distraction. Sorry to hear you're such a woman hater. Sorry to hear that I'm one too. It's a good thing none of those people actually know me. Drmies (talk) 16:31, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
I should perhaps be absent more often, first your RfA and now ACE. Maybe next time I take a break you'll get founder rights? —SpacemanSpiff15:26, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
I think I should figure out what that expression really means, but for now I'm just going to say yes, absolutely! Drmies (talk) 21:33, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
True, but, in my defense, most of my comments there are to troll. :) Ealdgyth, I haven't looked at your guide yet, and you can say whatever you like about me: your having raised Middle Ages to FA status makes you a saint. You can ride that one single accomplishment for the rest of your life, even if you hadn't done all those other things that make Misplaced Pages good. Drmies (talk) 21:41, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
Technically might be true, but 10k+ edits to mainspace per year, for the past seven years... presumably some of them are content-contribs, not just vandalism-reverts and such. Could be mostly NCAA fancruft though, I suppose. ;-) If you wanna get back above 60% mainspace-contribs, you'll have to shut this usertalk page down, though! 75.108.94.227 (talk) 10:02, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
Oh, it's diversion. And let's bring in the gender gap, and Eric of course, and the Balkans, and etc. etc. Nothing but tactics, and maybe they'll work. Drmies (talk) 01:39, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
it's hard to convince people to nominate. And I don't know who I recommend. I think everyone I thought of is already up there. Or wouldn't run. --kelapstick15:17, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
I've seen him at AfD, actually, something about User:Dr. Blofeld and a film-related AfD. Don't know much about him. Is MQS wise and calm like Anna, and depth-based and cool-headed like Diannaa? Competition is stiff this year. 75.108.94.227 (talk) 16:28, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
MQS is about as much of a content admin as you can get. And spends a fair bit of time at afd, and always does his research. He's also my go to guy for film related stuff. It's getting to be a good pool of candidates this year. --kelapstick16:34, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, what K-stick said. I'd love to see Diannaa and Anna on it. They are cool as cucumbers, know their policy, and have more patience and humanity in their little fingers than I do in all of my body. Drmies (talk) 16:11, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
"If any rule prevents you from improving the encyclopedia, ignore it." Quoth unquoth. Perhaps you can suggest, that if they don't run, you and kelapstick will wheel-war to keep indef'ing them both? :-) Or maybe you can just appeal to their better nature. Either way it will obviously improve the 'pedia if they can be made to run. But they've both been pinged before, and they are resisting the light-touch approach, because they are not sure they will be good at the job, which is of course a big part of why they would be great. Go twist their arms a little, please. Use your persuasive-ness stuffs, you know, to English them into running, eh? 75.108.94.227 (talk) 16:28, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
Bit excited?
...or pissed at being accused of turning the discussion into something that it already was? This was a dispute over someone's behaviour; sex had nothing to do with it. But as a result, Ched has had it away on his toes, forced into doing so by the feminists and soapboxers who hijacked the discussion. Cassianto18:39, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
Well, that was very unhelpful. I asked two people and both came up with something about slow and steady winning the race. I was looking more for "he (or she) who remains calm and collected and refrains from showing all too much excitement is more likely to gain the upper hand in a heated conversation"--but that doesn't have much of a ring to it. BTW, I'm kind of at a loss what that whole thread is about, so thanks SlimVirgin for pulling me in there. Pshaw! Seriously, Cassianto, slow and steady wins the race, and it's not "feminists" who are hijacking it; after all, I'm one myself, though I'm still struggling between French and "regular" third-wave feminism. Drmies (talk) 19:37, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
I don't think I brought up your name, but ACE 2015 seems to be turning into one of these cocktail parties where no one remembers who arrived with whom and who is likely to leave with whom. Swellegant, in other words. Drmies (talk) 19:30, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
A lot of good people on that list. Ask King of Hearts. Tedder. MQS. Jayron. Bencherlite. Ed. Gatoclass. Ponyo. Guy. Don't ask me--I don't know. Drmies (talk) 23:42, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
MQS I never thought of, would be a fascinating member to have eon the team. Big fan. --kelapstick 00:01, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
Pants. On. Fire. Doktor. I tried to armtwist User:Ponyo, to no avail. Dennis Brown suggested we all armtwist User:Anna_Frodesiak, but she is "WP:IDHT" about becoming an arb. Maybe when he gets over his shock and alarm, User:MichaelQSchmidt will kindly provide us with his own self-nom, or failing that, with the names of two other people that ought to be running? 75.108.94.227 (talk) 19:46, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
Another example of clever impersonation, no doubt. You can tell it wasn't me, because I would never cite Ozzy Osbourne. Drmies (talk) 20:11, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
No worries, Beeblebrox. You're always good in my book. Yes, Legacypac, I saw your nomination go by on Recent changes and thought I would take care of it. Muff (hair)? That's dumb. Drmies (talk) 02:59, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
In the short article Apame (concubine), I may have violated a copyright. The final sentence of the article mentions a painting. The second footnote is a link to a page which has an image of the painting (which is not in the public domain).
Should I remove the footnote which links to the image? (I have encountered this situation before so I would like a little advice please)Rdmoore6 (talk) 14:42, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
Clarifying the factoids... please correct me if I am wrong...
physical object == So, the painting in question is an oil-on-wood from 1614 AD, by Hendrick Goltzius. Scene from book of Ezra apparently.
computer imagefile == The off-wiki website, which is being linked unto as a ref, in footnote#12, is http://www.akg-images.com , which has a high-resolution TIFF reproducing said painting
So there is no copyvio happening on-wiki, at any point, which is good. But there is a link to an off-wiki website which is hosting an imagefile that replicates a painting from the 1600s. Nice for the readership, to be able to see what the WP:NOTEWORTHY painting actually looks like. Now, is such a link, some kinda DMCA violation? Partly, that depends on whether the off-wiki website is engaging in a copyright violation. Obviously, if akg-images.com is NOT infringing upon any copyright, then we can link to them -- wikipedia pages link to copyrighted off-wiki material all the time. The question is, can a wikipedia article link to an off-wiki copyright-infringing location? See WP:CONVENIENCE for some pros and cons. If the answer is nay, the question becomes, is this specific computer imagefile copyright-infringing? Ping User:Diannaa, who knows more about copyright than moi. 75.108.94.227 (talk) 15:29, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
The official position taken by the Wikimedia Foundation is that "faithful reproductions of two-dimensional public domain works of art are public domain". I also found this on the Commons: commons:Commons:Reuse of PD-Art photographs, which says that use of such images is restricted in some jurisdictions. -- Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 16:27, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
Thank you all. I was thinking--but had to run off to class--that since this site is selling these images they most likely have a right to publish them. Drmies (talk) 17:10, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
Clicking on the "about us" link on the AKG site brings up a page of Lorem ipsum-type text. But their van Gogh "Flying Fox" seems to be an original photo of the painting- I can't find anything similar, so they might be kosher. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 18:34, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
, your name is not OK with our policy and I'm going the account so you can request a user name. Likewise, KreimSecretary is not OK since it does not denote a specific person; rather, it's a role within the organization. I'm sorry about that, but that's the way it is. Request a new username please.
Second, the name, I see plenty of reason to change it, including this, which in my experience is pretty reliable. So I'll just go ahead and move it.
Third, Cassianto, you've edited a Misplaced Pages article or two in your time, and I think that rascal Dr. Blofeld has too. Can y'all help me out a bit and clean it up? It needs a bit of work, and maybe you can find some things that I can't.
Finally, Master Kreim, you may not like what we're going to do with the article, at least not initially, but we need to bring it in line a bit with our policies. Once that's done, though, you'll see that it's better to have a decent article that's according to our guidelines than a chatty article with a bunch of tags on it. Leave it to the experts, and feel free to help out--from your new account. Drmies (talk) 23:52, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
Sure. It's surprising that that name hadn't been taken yet. I'm sure you feel a bit alienated, perhaps, but at least you're legit now. As for improving that article, we really need reliable secondary sources. I was not able to find many of them but I'll keep looking. Drmies (talk) 00:41, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
Drmies, German numerals will be most acceptable. Just a reminder that there's a copy-deadline on this, and the stats can't really be done until we receive all responses that are going to come in. Can you let me know if you're not participating, so we have a better idea of when to close it off? But I do hope you will participate—it's a different angle from the normal onwiki pages, and past electorate surveys have proved to be of interest to readers. About 8–12 hours, I guess. Tony(talk) 03:05, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
We're getting a lot of trivia loaded cricket lists and templates over the past few weeks. We've just had a bunch deleted, but apparently a lot more people who don't follow cricket like to have stats like this kept. —SpacemanSpiff16:53, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
You know, there are some who say that trivia and cricket...never mind, I shouldn't alienate anyone before An Important Election. All this reminds me that I've been neglecting Crisco 1492 for far too long. Drmies (talk) 04:04, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
LATEST ADDITIONS TO German Shepherd: (reverted) On the television series The Bionic Woman (1976-1978), a bionic German Shepherd dog was introduced in the show's third season, named Maximillian (shortened to simply just "Max" on the show). A laboratory fire accident when Max was a puppy led to his becoming the world's first bionic dog, capable of tearing through almost any material with his bionic jaw, running 90 mph (as referenced in the episode "The Bionic Dog" ), and leaping several feet into the air. The series lead character, Jaime Sommers, adopted him after she discovered his presence at an OSI lab facility while she was there getting a routine check-up. Max and Jaime developed a very strong friendship bond, and Max was featured in several adventure stories in the last season.
Gosh, it was really important, because it is BACK AGAIN!!!
"(Reverted good faith edits ". Ah, I still have some good faith ...
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Do I recall correctly ... was that photo taken by your mother?And, while we're on a Dutch subject, you mentioned during your candidate grilling that Paris is the second most beautiful city in the world. Is Amsterdam number one? MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM21:52, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
Mandarax, there is nothing wrong with your memory. Yes, this is correct. DYK that Drmies's mother turned seventy this past October and still rides her bike to the grocery store? OK, it's an e-bike now, but still. Stefan2, really? Really?
Yes, Mandarax, you were right on both counts. I miss it dearly, but right now I miss Paris as much. I used to...well, let's not get too personal. Let's just say I spent a lot of time in Paris, going there by train, hanging out with the American ex-pats, strolling all over town with nothing better to do than enjoy it. Musee d'Orsay, the old Opera, theaters all over town...hipsters and artists, and my French was really good in those days. If I close my eyes I remember the smell of the subway. If I close my eyes and I'm in a bad mood I can even remember the smell of the RER. Drmies (talk) 03:49, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
Wow, that's great! I hope she had a good birthday. (I see from the e-bike article that in the Netherlands, they're "particularly popular among people aged 65 and over"). Yes, Paris is beautiful. Alas, I've never been to Amsterdam. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM08:24, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
À propos de bottes: I'm re-reading The Sorrows of Young Werther (this time in English because nicht sprechen zee Deutsch pretty good, to paraphrase Lady and the Tramp), and I just learned that the Netherlands was called States General prior to 1795. WTF? Softlavender (talk) 09:25, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
I'm keeping pistols away from me for the time being. Though I must say my eyes welled up at the ending just now, even though it was obviously no surprise. Such a pretty book. I wish I could experience the ending again. Now I'm in a book hangover and can't read anything else for the time being. Softlavender (talk) 15:33, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
I've removed the template, but I suggest that you ask your mother to send an e-mail to OTRS to avoid confusion in the future. --Stefan2 (talk) 14:19, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
@Drmies: All you have to do to satisfy wiki copyright policy is have your mother re-email the photo to you (either in the body of the email or as an attachment), with the statement I, Nellie Besseling, the copyright holder of this photo, hereby publish it under the following license: CC-SA 1.0. and a link to the existing file on WP, and then you forward her email to permissions-en@wikimedia.org. And you add a {{subst:OP}} ("OTRS pending") tag to the file. (Should do it soon because the file is set to be deleted on 25 November 2015.) Softlavender (talk) 07:42, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
Let me know when Ms Besseling's email hits OTRS, I'll verify the ticket (You may just want to send her this template filled out and ask her to forward that email to permissions@wikimedia.org). Alternately Kelapstick whose stellar OTRS work is a feature of ACE guides may swiftly act on this. —SpacemanSpiff15:56, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
I've personally found that if you do not use the correct precise email address, OTRS can't find it, or find it promptly -- for instance, an email sent to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org will never get to the EN-wiki OTRS people, and an email sent to permissions-en@wikimedia.org will never get to the OTRS people at Commons. For that reason, since the file is on EN-wiki, and the correct email address for those OTRS tickets is permissions-en@wikimedia.org, I recommend sending it there. I also recommend that the email contain a link to the existing file so the OTRS folks can find and OK it promptly. Softlavender (talk) 18:18, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
Right. Thanks for the reminder. As Bbb indicated I was more interested in other aspects, but I'm happy to see that I still think more or less the same thing. Drmies (talk) 16:57, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
I've noticed that recently, when you have been closing RFD discussion, you have been providing notes in the deletion log with broken links (both the fact that the discussion is not linked, and the fact that the summary refers the reader to the RFD base page instead of the daily subpage.) The entries have closure links that produce automated deletion summaries, but due to how the functionality of Template:Rfd2 works, these links can only appear when viewing the subpage directly, not from the RFD basepage. (The way I would go around this, and I'm guessing some RFD closure regulars do as well, is to click "edit" on one of the section headers in that day, and on the next page, click "Project page" at the top; then, you should be at the daily subpage where the links appear.) Steel1943 (talk) 19:21, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
Maybe this will make sense to me when I do it again. When I deleted a whole bunch the other day, individual redirects were bundled together and had ... can't remember, something with "@" in front of them, but it wasn't clickable. Drmies (talk) 21:01, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
Wait--so RfDs now are individual templates. Yes, I was looking at the wrong page, I suppose--I was wondering already why it was different. But you know, I still don't have a clue how this works. If I click on "close" (I tried for the one on Sir Hart Davis, which will be a keep), I go to the article where...what? I guess I'm removing the RfD coding? I'm so used to closing AfDs, now automatically, that this is just, well, complicated, and I've been relying on the kindness of strangers to close these things for me. (Believe me, just deleting them is already a drag.)
Anyway, if I want to continue the way I've been doing it, I should have something like "Misplaced Pages:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2015_November_19#Sir_Hart_Davis", right? Drmies (talk) 22:53, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
Yes, i.e. Misplaced Pages:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 November 19#Sir Hart Davis goes straight to where the discussion will be preserved. RfD is broken up by day on subpages, which is transcluded to the current list on the main page, as opposed to being individual templates per entry like AfD. Editing from the current list through the convenient edit button provided edits the subpage. The closure links are on the subpages, assuming each is listed and linked individually, some recent listings have not been unfortunately . WP:RFD/AI shows specifically how to close the discussions.—GodsyCONT)23:20, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
Yes, I've been there before--it was not fun. Fortunately, there are a few editors, like I said, who help me file the paperwork. Deleting all those redirects is a drag to begin with, and it forced me to learn D-batch, which makes it go a bit quicker but it's still a lot of handiwork. Drmies (talk) 01:16, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
It is so disruptive, no one bothers, to maintain the policies. I had not other ways to draw your attention that way. Naked breaching the policies, the bunch of editors demonstrating the strange behaviour. Please take a look WP:CREDENTIAL. Mohammad Iqbal/Allama Iqbal if I am wrong? dank U. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Justice007 (talk • contribs)
No one, I mean that a user does not understand me and I do not want to discuss if there is the lack of understanding even basic policies, most of the editors from that part of the world have some kinds of the fan phobia behaviour. I ask your assistance relating to the article Muhammad Iqbal that you contributed too, but it is moved to as Allama Iqbal violating the WP:CREDENTIAL. The editor is already engaged in edit warring, he thinks, I am playing the ownership of the Misplaced Pages, that's why I need your assistance, please take a look at it. Thanks.Justice007 (talk) 21:41, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
That's my question to you this evening, Dr., regarding this account, whose only contributions since 2008 seem to be the addition and maintenance of external links, all from the same site . If it's spam, they've racked up an impressive history, which will require an admin's touch to revert. If the site they're linking to is okay, consider this an opportunity to say hello. Merci, 99. 2601:188:0:ABE6:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 02:43, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
Are those rhetorical questions? Feel free to clean up after me. You noted, perhaps, that another editor had warned them--in 2008. Drmies (talk) 02:55, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
Remember that this is the Anonymous that got the Neelix ball rolling. 99, we should put you up against ISIS--they wouldn't stand a chance. Drmies (talk) 04:43, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm aware of 99's ability to sniff out great problems from the most obscure areas. I think Sadie could learn a trick or two from him on sniffing things out. —SpacemanSpiff08:11, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
I need to look at it more carefully. I've seen it before but left it as an EL, there are so many worse ones out there. But I didn't realise the spam element. Doug Weller (talk) 21:47, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
Dr. and Spaceman--ha! It's nothing more than scrolling through recent changes, and picking up suspicious looking patterns. Probably fewer than half I click on turn out to be disruptive (still, that's an enormous percentage), and out of those, a very small sample are impressive for their persistence or longevity. I really wasn't 100% sure on this one, given that the site itself looks pretty decent, not obviously selling a product, but the account's m.o. raised a red flag. 2601:188:0:ABE6:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 01:48, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
I clearly covered more than one point and it seems that certain admins just looked at a deletion that was made almost 8 years ago and decided that was the sole basis on deletion. This is concerning and I will be escalating this matter. (Negligence) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobbybobbie (talk • contribs) 07:08, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
Ha, I'd get one it myself, but I need to get back to work: the Apostle of the Germans really needs another article written about him. I looked at that draft yesterday and thought I should let you have a look at it--then I saw in the history that you already did, haha. Great minds think alike! Drmies (talk) 17:04, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
Tenebrae condensed and created, please watch. Sources also use ae, expansion best in March, I would say. - I didn't do my homework properly, - for a while the image was there twice, in a FA, o dear ;) - I am so proud: used Alakzi's hint to play with image cropping, created nothing first but then a user box for the cabal with the familiar image which was first used to remind that with wrongly blocked users, we not only loose what they would have created but a little bit of our souls, - look for melancholic on my talk. Received a thank-you for that, didn't know it was the last. Tenebrae. My equivalent to your Notre Dame is its organ, did you see? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:50, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
Hi Drmies, I noticed you deleted the page BrightInteractive, but I can't find what speedy deletion criterion the deletion was done under. The talk page was removed under WP:G8 which makes sense given page deletion, but at least on my side all it says is "deleted page BrightInteractive" with no explanation. Anyway, thanks! Appable (talk) 13:19, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) I can't speak for Drmies but I'm guessing that it was WP:A7 or WP:G11. And it looks like Bright Interactive is a copy of BrightInteractive, written by the same editor. They probably transferred the article from their sandbox and then when the article was deleted, created another version. Drmies would have to offer his reasoning but that's my guess. Liz18:08, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
Given you've blocked the UK IP who created the Black Brutality thread at the ref desk, you may want to do the same to the NYC IP who complains here that he created the question himself and is being censored for it. Thanks. μηδείς (talk) 02:31, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
Hi - I noticed the block you made of Joseph101895 regarding edits to California Lutheran High School. I had just declined to block that user since it appeared to me that, while they probably were promotionally motivated, they did have accurate information to contribute, and hadn't had a real chance to learn the guidelines of what information should and shouldn't be included in Misplaced Pages. It seemed like overall they can have a positive impact. Obviously you disagree, with the indefinite block. I was wondering if you could summarize your reasoning? Might be some background I'm missing. Prodego04:35, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
It's the copyvio bit, and the edit warring. It seemed to me they had ample opportunity to address the matter but all they offered was "I'll get someone's approval." I'll leave them a note; let's see if they are genuinely interested in improving the article. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 04:41, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
Sounds good. I didn't realize all the edits were posting the same excerpt from the website. If they are interested in doing it right then they should get a chance. If they paste copyvios and just want to get their text in, then they should be blocked. Leaving the block and adding a note seems like a solution. Thanks, Prodego04:48, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
Dear Misplaced Pages Agent, whosoever you are.. Please don't take unnecessary actions for the page created for Anil Kumar Kohli. Give time as we too are busy here and just do not do Misplaced Pages like you and a weekend is required to rewrite the content. Kindly discuss. Or I will have to bring this matter to your top management. I hope you understand. Kindly undo your editings and leave the page to where it was. I will do the needful and bring to your notice. Thankfully — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.139.124.114 (talk) 06:22, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
Dear IP, my name is Drmies and I am one of many administrators here (middle management, one might say). I am not sure who you are, but from your using the plural I gather that you represent something or someone, which can be problematic since we are an encyclopedia, not a publishing venue for press releases and subject-approved biographies. Please see WP:Five pillars for some of the things that are important in Misplaced Pages editing; one of the more important policies in this respect is WP:RS, which mandates that we use reliable sources--so the press releases I removed will have to stay removed. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 15:58, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
Dear Misplaced Pages Agent, whosoever you are.. Please don't take unnecessary actions for the page created for Anil Kumar Kohli. Give time as we too are busy here and just do not do Misplaced Pages like you and a weekend is required to rewrite the content. Kindly discuss. Or I will have to bring this matter to your top management. I hope you understand. Kindly undo your editings and leave the page to where it was. I will do the needful and bring to your notice. Thankfully — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.139.124.114 (talk) 06:22, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
Dear IP, my name is Drmies and I am one of many administrators here (middle management, one might say). I am not sure who you are, but from your using the plural I gather that you represent something or someone, which can be problematic since we are an encyclopedia, not a publishing venue for press releases and subject-approved biographies. Please see WP:Five pillars for some of the things that are important in Misplaced Pages editing; one of the more important policies in this respect is WP:RS, which mandates that we use reliable sources--so the press releases I removed will have to stay removed. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 15:58, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
Dear Drmies (your name seems to be illogical and maybe some form of code) and other administrators linked in this connection, I respect you to be an administrator but I am strongly expressing my displeasure in the way you had reacted (can be termed as a dictatorship over the Misplaced Pages administratorship) by placing unnecessary comments that are cited on the view history and repeated undoing the entire article. This is not a signature value attached to a collaborative media like Misplaced Pages.
As suggested by you I will choose to place four tildes for signing the document but nonetheless my identity is secret. You and some fellow administrators have taken the article down and in a very unprofessional manner which is suggested to be reported to Misplaced Pages Corporation (if required).
Lets not waste anymore time in debating and I should come to point-wise clarification of what 3-4 administrators (maybe you are friends - jointly decide without even reading policies what is right or wrong and keep on attaching new things everytime in an added comment and action). All your IP describes that the accounts are operated from a shared network from US and it is quite possible that you people are freelancers working for the corporation and reside in the same campus.
Point-wise response:
- Marquis who's who is not-credited by a set of administrators and I suggest to put a complaint to their office that they should rather come to Misplaced Pages standards which in turn shares tremendous criticism "http://www.technologyreview.com/featuredstory/520446/the-decline-of-wikipedia/" and "https://en.wikipedia.org/Criticism_of_Wikipedia" to name a few (standards of the claimed administrators). Even Google discredits.
- I guess you people have not visited this place and hence, cannot know the credibility of the work that is undertaken here and the kind of vision attached to a leader or his capabilities. Therefore, it is suggested that before arriving to any conclusion please do a bit of literature survey of how complex things are and not just as you see within your four wall boundaries and internet.
- Some senseless edit summary like "well now. rm more images (not the family photo album)", "who's who is nothing. not a resume: rm resume", "is BRIT an airplane that can reach "new heights" (whatever that is supposed to mean" and many more is suggested to be notified to the top leaders of the corporation as very educated, sophisticated and fully ethical administrators like you seem to behave running the corporation.
- Regarding references that are hosted in a third party website - Kindly extend your logical reasoning and question yourself that do the third party website that were cited are registered ones, if so on what laws and principle they are governed!? In this respect you people lack substantial maturity and logic. Additionally, The Hindu is not the only publishing edition that is available here, there are many more and kindly update your knowledge.
- Dr. Kohli has had a key role in the significant projects of BRIT, beyond having headed the organization at some point, but due to the strategic nature they are not supposed to be public. Moreover, big institutes like Indian Railways and so on and so forth have been interviewed him because of his sheer capabilities but those are standalone articles and are not in web and if they happen to be hosted in third party websites; you people will start arguing regarding that too.
- I agree to the fact that scientific references are not endorsed to be put into Misplaced Pages but the redirection of publications that were done need not be undermined as they carry a huge impact factor with them.
- Lastly, I can help locate you people a huge list of candidates that are not notable in nature from the US and West apart from this place (upto the standards of Misplaced Pages as claimed by administrators) and can be taken down within 24 hours as well.
In consolidation, I suggest you to do whatever you feel as administrators (or dictators and not collaborators of collaborative media in principle). But things will not remain unreported to the corporation and those who are involved in vigilance.
You may merge or do whichever way you people wish to project our things and boost your things (undue advantage of your own publishing platform) but make sure that days are not far ahead for us too.
If you still feel that I may rewrite the content in a neutral manner (I initially felt that not a fundamental rewrite was required and needed revision) and allow standalone articles to be referenced. Kindly put to the talk page of Dr. Kohli and give a minimum time line or I suggest to let go and not to waste time (as I am fully occupied and can devote time to constructive projects only) as even if I attempt you people will undo.
Please communicate! Thankfully Sbatdaeindia (talk) 08:28, 22 November 2015 (UTC)sbatdaeindia
Apologies for taking so long to thank you for those messages. I've been away in the wilds of the real world of students and committees, and it's a lot like being off the grid. Actually, it's "nature red in tooth and claw" out there, especially at department meetings. - Like just about all the medieval literature I've read, the Lais are seriously weird, and also wonderful. I especially enjoy "Marie's" claim at the end of most of the Lais that "this really happened just as I told you." And just about every Lai shows that she really knows how to guess the price of cloth; I'll bring along a copy the next time I go out to buy a suit. As for Vanity Fair, OK, I admit that you got yourself into this without knowing what you were getting yourself into, so your conscience shouldn't compel to read even a page of it. But if you start it as a book to read to use for decompression before sleeping at night, you'll find it both relaxing and enlightening, even if it takes months to read. It goes down very, very easily, and surprises you with some very moving moments. But, now, having absorbed some of the moral vision of Marie de France, this message formally releases you from any obligation to read it . - And, meanwhile, I'm looking forward to voting for you early (but annoyingly not often) next week. - Macspaunday (talk) 14:24, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
Oh, I started a few nights ago, and read a half a dozen pages. Since it took me a while to get it I started on Petrarch's Secretum, and I'm almost done with it: apparently we should let go of love and glory, says Augustine. Who could let go of Laura? I imagine I will be enjoying the book--the opening scene was amusing. LadyofShalott and I have done some work on various women's schools and finishing schools in the US; that's a fascinating and very important world, and frequently underexposed. Someone should write a bit more on women's education in the 19th and 20th centuries--or perhaps I never ran into the article. Anyway, thanks again for the suggestion, and thanks for your vote: I appreciate the confidence as much as the actual vote.
Patrarch's Secretum? Should I add that to my list also? I thought I was doing well when I read (part of) Boccaccio's Life of Dante. Anyway, I voted for you earlier today after I got a friendly personal note sent by a bot inviting me to the polling booth. I was hoping to find a crowd of whooping and hollering voters, but it seemed a bit quiet. Maybe things will liven up later on? Anyway, Vanity Fair gets more lively as it goes on, and Becky Sharp gets more memorable on every page. Wait till you meet Rawdon Crawley and Lord Steyne for pure entertainment. Later! - Macspaunday (talk) 02:05, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
lol, well sir, I think you've managed well even without breakfast. I didn't understand what you meant by "more is better, code16" though, specifically. But please continue to suggest improvements that we can make on the article and ping any expert editors you feel should be involved. Thanks again. cӨde1+618:05, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
Understood and agree. I just recently got access to a bunch of journals so will continue hunting for reliable sources to add to this topic. Thanks again. cӨde1+622:54, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
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Why did you remove the stub on Armand (singer). The relevant Wikiprojects have classified the article as a stub so I placed it in the relevant stub category. If you disagree with the classification, it would be worth noting on the talk page. Capitalistroadster (talk) 19:16, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
While I have posted a "guide" in regards to ACE 2015 - I have not been outspoken about my own personal choices. I say this here and now however: I will support you as a "blue-collar version of NYB". I do NOT mean "blue-collar" in the sense of intelligence, but rather in communication style. Best of luck. — Ched : ? 02:13, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
Ha, I appreciate it, Ched! Yes, NYB was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, and it rubbed off on his speech organs. Honestly, please don't compare me with him: I'm not in that league. Sorry, gotta go: the girls feel the need to put their winter clothes on me, and possibly nail polish. It's all code, of course. Drmies (talk) 19:26, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
You wrote: "The good news? Anyone can learn English and get quite good at it, better than most native speakers if need be." I can't agree with this, at least as a blanket statement. Once you get past the crude word classes, the grammatical road-blocks start. The Dutch seem to be the best in the world at overcoming them (for some reason typically better than Germans); but the experience of most second-language speakers in acquiring English is perverse and exasperating. You might enjoy reading a recently published book: Harry Ritchie, English for the Natives, John Murray, 2013. Tony(talk) 06:36, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
Tony, you should read some of the writing produced by my sophomore students. Misplaced Pages writing is not like what the average (or mean, whatever) in the U.S. is. And we're really talking about writing, not speech. The Dutch aren't bad, this is true, but the average of most native speakers, that's not a very high bar. (Not just in the U.S., I'm sure.) Drmies (talk) 21:23, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
GA review of a company
Hi! Sometime on @SpacemanSpiff:'s talk I had raised this issue of poor GAs being passed recently where he mentioned that it might be good to check with you first. After that I have gone ahead and GARed two articles already as they were far below the par; Sargun Mehta GAR and Palak Muchhal GAR. But I have trouble gauging this one called Grazing Goat Pictures. Criteria 3a of GA states that the article should "address the main aspects of the topic" and 3b states that it should stay "focused on the topic". This article is about a production house which produces films in India, mainly Bollywood and some regional-language films too. The article mentions some key people involved and then starts talking about the films and the business they did, awards they won, regular film reviews and such. The Article composition guideline stated at WP:COMPANIES puts few points that should be essential in a company's article, which seem to be missing from our subject case. Does the article pass the criteria 3 of GA then? §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 09:07, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
Cowboy unblocks, revisited
As you are doubtless aware, I wander through CAT:UNBLOCK looking for editors to unblock, and tend to AGF a bit more than some admins when it comes to the block button. Part of the problem I've discovered is that when two administrators clash over whether or not to unblock, nothing happens except pages and pages and pages of discussion that bores me to tears, and doesn't do anything about the actual unblock. Is there another way round "cowboy unblocks", other than just doing them and waiting for it to backfire at ANI? Ritchie33315:41, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
I'm mobile and can't easily check your link but this sounds interesting. I like unblocks, they feel good. I'll check later--thanks. Drmies (talk) 21:18, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
Ritchie333, it isn't absolutely necessary to get permission from the blocking admin, right? It's a courtesy and common practice to discuss the unblock with them. Is this where you are seeing a logjam? Liz21:34, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
Don't want to name names, Liz, but there is a block request I'm waiting on at the moment where I think the editor should be unblocked and I'm waiting for the blocking admin to reply. And I'm honestly not sure if it is necessary to get permission from the blocking admin or not, but I can think of once incident where I was lambasted at ANI for not running an unblock past the other admin (consensus was the unblock was okay). Ritchie33322:02, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
We hired you for the job because we thought we could trust you. If the other admin is dragging their feet, go ahead. If they disagree, well, you can disagree with that. Of course you'll sort of "own" the editor. But I always though we should be BOLD, so go ahead. Drmies (talk) 23:23, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
@Ritchie333: I recommend that you contact JBW since pings have been known to fail. He may have good reasons and I do see a long block log and a sock case in the past. If no consensus between you both then you could post for block review at AN. — Berean Hunter(talk)23:52, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
Sure, suggestions of a long term problem may change the calculus. Berean, I can't look deeply into matters right now but I was pinged from ANI about DanDude88 or some such name. Can you have a look plz? thanks, Drmies (talk) 00:51, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
If we are throwing out opinions: A note on the their talk page is best. If they have been editing a couple of hours since your note but haven't replied, I take that "I don't care" and move forward. If they complain, I just point out they had the opportunity to at least acknowledge the request, even if they didn't have a full answer, and didn't. I think I'm going to stop using pings for stuff like this because there is no way to tell if someone got it or not. A message on the admin's talk page leaves little doubt. If they haven't been editing, I think 72 hours is more than enough time to just act in good faith. That is probably too long, in fact. And no, we aren't required to talk to the blocking admin, but it is a matter of professional courtesy, one that we probably should try to maintain. Dennis Brown - 2¢01:01, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
I probably should that my comments were in the generic for run of the mill blocks. If it is likely contentious, then what Berean Hunter and HighInBC say is good advice, getting some other opinions or even going to AN for a full discussion. Dennis Brown - 2¢01:04, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
@Ritchie333: When I cannot come to an agreement with the blocking admin and I still feel something needs to be done I generally seek a wider consensus and then accept the outcome. HighInBC00:56, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
The wheels of progress may be slow at times. See, that worked and much better than going cowboy. Now, it's NeilN's turn at looking over that block review. I'm writing this because there was no ping for Neil and this should expedite things a bit.
Sorry Drmies about not getting to the DanDude case that you mentioned above. After dinner, I read the ANI post but was too drowsy to do anything effective and headed for bed. I see that he was blocked for a week by Neil who must have felt generous. — Berean Hunter(talk)12:21, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
Echoing what Dennis said above, for important matters, if someone doesn't respond to a ping, leave a note on their talk page. Using the horribly designed notifications log (the WMF seriously has to get rid of designers who put mobile first for this kind of stuff) I found that I received no notification for this post. JamesBWatson, the system was probably confused because you included reposted content in your post. --NeilN14:18, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
I almost always consult the blocking administrator if I am considering unblocking. Recently, I have sometimes done so by pinging, but in view of the uncertainty of whether pings get through, I shall try to remember to stick to the older method of talk page posting. There are times when I really don't think consulting the blocking admin is necessary, such as when the original reason for the block very clearly no longer applies, but unless the case looks absolutely unambiguous, I err on the side of consulting even when I don't think I should need to. There are two reasons for that: (1) self-protection: I have in the past been lambasted for taking action without consultation, and I prefer not to be subject to such attacks again; (2) consideration for the other admin: I have occasionally seen another admin reverse an action of mine when I thought he or she was wrong to do so, and I didn't feel happy about it; how do I know who is going to feel that way about something I do? Very, very rarely I have reversed another admin's action without consultation because I have been convinced that he or she was totally unreasonable, but I will only do that if I am totally confident that there is no doubt about it.
If the comments above relate to the unblock request at User talk:Davefelmer, then I did not get the ping. Why? I know not, but maybe putting it inside an unblock request decline makes a difference. Like the example that NeilN mentions above, a decline of an unblock request includes reposted content, so perhaps it affects the outcome. Anyway, I have posted there now. I also attempted to ping NeilN in doing so, but in view of what has been said above, I'll post on his talk page too.
Who knows whether this will work, but here is my attempt to make sure that nobody concerned in the above discussion misses out on reading this wonderful contribution from me: @Ritchie333, Liz, NeilN, Berean Hunter, Dennis Brown, and HighInBC: Have I missed anyone? (Drmies, I assume you will see a message on your own talk page. If not, what can I do?) The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 14:49, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
Your comments sum up my understanding of the situation although I'll admit that I haven't spent time reviewing unblock requests...yet. Liz14:54, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
Got the ping. I think we need to forget policy with these matters, and just use common sense and courtesy. Theoretically, policy is supposed to be a reflection of these values anyway. Dennis Brown - 2¢15:46, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
One of the common reasons pings do not work is that they must be posted at the same time as a new signature in order to work. If you add a ping to an already posted comment, or add your signature in any way other than tildes(copy/paste), then it won't work. Not sure if this applies here. Even if used correctly some people may have notifications turned off. The talk page is the most reliable way to get someone's attention.
I agree with what other have said about discussion not being required when there was an obvious error or simply a change in circumstances. Common sense of course applies. However when I find that the blocking admin and I simply disagree with how things should be done then gaining and following a wider consensus is wiser than unilateral action. (I have no idea of the circumstances of this block, not commenting on this block) HighInBC16:52, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
Well my first comment would be that now that BASC is gone, WP:UTRS needs more admins. It's actually easier than on-wiki unblock reviews, most can be handled with a single click.
Anyhoo, pretty much the only time I don't consult with the blocking admin is in the case of obvious errors or cases of WP:INVOLVED. More so if it's a short block as the blocking admin can just wait it out and the erroneous block stays on the blocked users' log. I don't consider it cowboy unblocking if it's an obvious error. Obvious errors would not include blocks you just don't quite agree with or blocks of one of the WP:UNBLOCKABLES. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:29, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
Beeblebrox, the UTRS page doesn't disclose much information about the process. Roughly, how many admins participate? How many appeals get filed per month? Is there a backlog or do requests usually get addressed within a few days? Liz02:08, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
Those are some good questions. I've only been doing it about ten days myself, so I may not be the best authority on the subject. @Worm That Turned: was the one who approved my request for an account there so I'm guessing he knows a bit more about it. Currently it does not seem to be experiencing heavy backlogs, but with WP:BASC going away completely the possibility certainly exists. I would guesstimate that it is a few hundred appeals per month, since there's usually 3-5 new ones every time I log in. I have no clue how many total admins work there, but it does tell you who has been active in the last five minutes and quite often I only seee my name there. Beeblebrox (talk) 01:23, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
Speedy deletion of Great American Canyon Band
Hi there. I was hoping to gain access to the deleted page Great American Canyon Band. I was not finished with the page and would like to add more sources and information to make it a credible page. This is my first page and I am just learning the wiki formats/processes. Would be much appreciated if you would allow me to gain access to the deleted page. Thanks!Sarahk.odo (talk) 18:28, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
Whew. Monster relieved. Was afraid little Drmies might be unaware of election. Was going to tell user. Junk Mass mail good work. Monster happy now. — ChedZILLA23:21, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
If the gods that be allow you to be seated in the election that is, will you do your darnedest not to lose your sense of humor?I know it won't be easy, but, please? BMK (talk) 15:17, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
I tell you what, BM *m--f--ing* K, you got some nerve, buttering me up here when on ANI you called me a sucker! So setting a trap for you that can only be resolved by ArbCom's Indefinite Ban™ will be my first act.
You know that old Neil Young song? "She said 'you're strange, don't change'--and I let her." Anyway, I realized that I didn't have a platform or a PAC or even a slogan. This morning I thought of Distinction With A Difference, because I'm totally distinguished (as you well know) and the best-looking of all candidates, and I Promise To Make A Difference (I think last week was Make a Difference Week™ or something American like that). On the not-so bright side, if I get in I'm going full throttle in my Total Newyorkbrad Immersion Program™, since he is of course my model. I may need to vent regularly but I'll do that on one of your subpages.
That would be terrible. You must act like a normal Wikipedian. Please, translate this article (HERE, ) . The image is great, we co-nominate it together, later. Hafspajen (talk) 15:54, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
Talking of slogans: see top of my user page, and don't forget to look at the impressive "infoboxen-criminal-red" below, - you will have to block me fast for disruption of you want to still see that in December. - Btw, I voted for you ;) - Revert on Jean Sibelius, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:14, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
Let me guess. There was an infobox and then there wasn't. I see there's a long talk page discussion. Who's taking bets on this coming up for the new suckers ArbCom before June 2016? Drmies (talk) 19:34, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
I unified the lead of his symphonies, - several have a tag for more citations. Instead of fixing such things, we have what you observed well. Interesting that the revert was performed by a user who was then blocked, - where is the fun of an edit war if your opponent can't play? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:40, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
Seriously, Misplaced Pages is read by women.Why is it that whenever people want to illustrate The Reader, it's with always with that same guy? LadyofShalott01:52, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
"Why is it that whenever people want to illustrate The Reader, it's with always with that same guy?" High Q rating?Thanks for posting the Fragonard painting, I wasn't aware of it. I've changed the image on my talk page. BMK (talk) 04:44, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
The Reader
LadyofShalott, you have put your finger on a sore spot. Maybe you saw that I "liked" something on Facebook a while ago, this collection of "20 Medieval and Renaissance Women Reading". Wonderful. I just typed in "images women reading" and there is a lot of material. This is interesting and pointed me to this website, which editors like Johnbod, SusunW, Rosiestep, Keilana, and others might be interested in as well. And then there's books like this--oh boy, there's a lot, but my syllabus for next semester's class (Women in Medieval Literature) is full already. Drmies (talk) 04:53, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
When we moved to Mexico, I brought 2 beds, 1 100-year-old stove, 4 boxes of paintings, 2 cat carriers with cats, 2 suitcases filled with computers, 1 suitcase with a printer and printer accessories, 1 suitcase with clothes and 2 cast iron skillets and 30 legal sized paper cartons of books. The customs people thought we were crazy. They kept asking where were my household goods. I said we only brought the necessities of life SusunW (talk) 05:05, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
Haha, true. Those three suitcases with computers, today you'd only need a purse for that computing power. You could carry thirty boxes of books on a Kindle or two--but e-reading is an abomination. When I moved to the US, all I had was one bag of luggage and a piece of carry-on. Many of my books are still in my mother's attic, and they're being ferried across one half dozen at a time. The books I took with me, most of them were for use in an English program--Abrams's Glossary of Literary Terms, an OUP edition of Shakespeare, the Riverside Chaucer (fortunately the UK version--paperback!). I think I left On the Road at home, ironically. Drmies (talk) 15:40, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
Drmies, I love images of women reading and of women writing. I don't have an extra minute or I'd add some image from Commons to this page. It'll have to wait till I have some quiet time. Right now, visiting family is the priority. @SusunW: your move to Mexico story is amazing. And I can see how you chose those things. My only question is, what happened to all the books you didn't take with you? :) --Rosiestep (talk) 06:30, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
Rosiestep LOL you must have been in my head. We sold almost everything we owned, but the books all went to the Charter School in our neighborhood, my mom's for me to get later or with me. Books are living things. I couldn't sell them. I see freeing them from bookstores as my civic duty. ;) I love your picture of reading. SusunW (talk) 06:44, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
Even our feline friends like to bury themselves in a good book once in a while.
It only took a couple of minutes but I found my favorite picture of a woman reading. It's not an "important" work of art. But it reminds me to me which is why I had it up on my talkpage for awhile. Anyway, now it's gracing your talkpage. Hope you like it. --Rosiestep (talk) 06:35, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
These are lovely! Maybe I'll find a way to get a picture of me and my lady-cat reading at the same time...that would be the ultimate picture, I'd think. Keilana (talk) 22:34, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
Greetings, oh Drmies...
Dear Drmies, I send you greetings from my great never-ending vacation from Wikiland. I was heartened to see your name on the slate, so I just popped in to vote for you (and, really, also to oppose a particular candidate who shall remain herein unnamed). I hope all's well and that you have a wonderfulest Thanksgiving.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 17:05, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
Alf! I had been wondering where you were. You doing alright? I appreciate the vote, but what I'd appreciate more is to have you back full- or part-time. I remember you as an editor with a great sense of curiosity and much common sense coupled with actual knowledge. Think about it: we need editors like you. If I get in, I'll ask Jimbo about putting you on payroll. Happy days to you as well, and thanks for stopping by--please come by anytime. Drmies (talk) 19:30, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
Bikinis, part 2, in which I give up
Following up on out earlier conversation on the subject: For the heinous crime of opening this discussion at Commons in which I point out the absurdity of having nearly 200 images from a single bikini car wash fundraising event at a "breastaraunt" I have now been accused of censorship and inciting a moral panic, and conversly of misogyny and "body shaming". Some of the images did get deleted and now it's a big argument over there. This is pretty much exactly what I expected, although I had hoped Commons was coming around to some sort of sanity. I think I'll just stick to the occasional upload and not try and fix their screwed up community. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:04, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
Now that I'm running for ArbCom, can I say "holy fucking shit"? If this isn't blatantly sexist I don't know what is. Seriously. That editor's user page makes it pretty clear what they think you and your censoring ilk. You wonder if they have an ax to grind here as well. Thanks for trying, Beeblebrox. Maybe part 3 will be about sanctorum. I tried once and failed miserably. Drmies (talk) 22:20, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
Well, I'd say that page of photos does a pretty good job of showing that, despite the slow-motion photography and other visual aids of various exploitation films, women in bikinis washing cars just look, well, kinda silly, sorta as if I went to a production meeting in a bathing suit (which you don't want to see, BTW). BMK (talk) 22:36, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
Got lucky with one of the better admins (Yann) closing the discussion. Others... seem to lack common sense. --NeilN02:46, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
Christ, is this the new mass-edit/mass-disruption du jour? And I was having so much fun with mass redirects on en-wiki. I never knew Commons could be just as much fun. Softlavender (talk) 02:52, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
One of the images wasn't deleted because it was in use here. I've rectified that, so if anyone else wants to have a go at the next round of nominations of out of scope images as suggested by Yann, you can include that. On a related note, this isn't very different from the crap that gets included in Indian actor/actress articles here, it's the same issue -- the only difference being that on Commons it's visual. Just have a run through at WP:DSI and see what kind of sources are being pushed around as reliable and all that. —SpacemanSpiff03:34, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
Can you close the entire thread so that the initial attack on me stays with the broad consensus supporting my use of CSDs when archived. Thanks Legacypac (talk) 00:30, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
Oh, someone will--I won't for a little while. I'd have to read the whole thing, drink coffee, and wake up, just when I'm watching House after a bunch of cocktails with Mrs. Drmies. Liz, I think you're online--can you have a look? Drmies (talk) 02:40, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
Sorry to just be seeing this now...I didn't get ping, just happened to drop by your user page. Looks like you closed this Neelix-related discussion earlier today. Liz17:23, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
When I first encountered Drmies I thought I had to fit myself with forged steel armor. Their passion was indeed a force to be reckoned with. However....this admin is also someone understands that they can be wrong, can learn from others and more importantly....could effect real change with even someone who was opposed to their position. This is someone who may react, but then takes time to think about what they did. They can admit when they are wrong, stand strong when they feel they are right but still allow all concerned to have a voice, even those many may have ill feelings for them...because must such feelings are based on a misconception. There is something about this editor, contributor and admin that gets to the very heart of what this project is really about, the content, the creation of more content, and the willingness of everyone to work together in some for that moves us forward.
Am I going to vote for this one for arb com? F**k yeah! Because this is someone who has had a greater influence on dispute resolution than anyone else I know...even those that are deeply embedded into the DR mediation. I have always felt that Drmies should volunteer for the DRN but then....that is not what is really needed to do all those things I have tried to support. Not a DRN volunteer or even someone you see on the other boards much but....they effect more on a daily basis than most do in a year or more. You won't see me say anything about those I don't support (they probably know I would never vote for them anyway), and I probably won't go on about the many others I am voting for....but if anyone cares what I think (and why should you) about who you should vote for and why.....I think I covered the best reasons to support this candidate. I feel there is something very substantial in what Drmies has to offer on Arb Com so I felt making clear what I felt here was the best route in supporting this candidate. Good luck to both you and Misplaced Pages in general.--Mark Miller (talk) 05:20, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
Whoa Mark! Thanks. Yes, DRN--I'm going to leave that to User:TransporterMan, who is a hard act to follow. I don't have the patience or the diplomacy. Hey, there's a few more qualified candidates--take your time and look at the voter guides. It is important that a variety of people get elected: diversity is a good thing.
Anyway, thanks for the note; good to see you still around. And yes, good luck to Misplaced Pages too: we need it. Drmies (talk) 14:55, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
I have no idea...
...how that Dutch fella climbed this whole GD mountain back in '36. I've been walking my little portion (which is at about 2000 metres above sea level) for about a week, down and up, every day, sometimes more than once, and I am still wiped by the time I get "home" in the evenings. On the bright side I don't feel bad about never going to the gym. Also I now live (while here) about a block from the mosque, the call to prayer can be quite lovely. --kelapstick08:28, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
Hey, I saw "the view"--so that's the mountain? Which mountain is it, precisely? That Dutch guy, he probably didn't fly in: I'm sure he walked 5000 miles to get there so he was probably in shape already. Plus, he wasn't Canadian, he was Dutch, and that makes all the difference. (I'm not very Dutch anymore. Three days ago we hiked five miles in pretty steep terrain, and my calves are still hurting. Hard to get down the stairs in the morning.)
This reminded me of "the world's largest artist-in-residence community", which consists of hundreds of artist lofts converted from an old brewery. Twice a year I go on a huge tour of their open studios. I climb up and down litterally millions of stairs, and I always end up with painfully achy calves for days afterward.Equally painful: I just had to gut the Brewery Art Colony article. It included: "At the edge of downtown looms the cement-gray smokestack of the Brewery. Thousands of motorists on the 5 Freeway drive by each day, giving it nary a glance." This caused my Spidey-sense to tingle. Sure enough, almost the whole article was a copyvio. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM21:06, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
I don't know which mountain specifically it is, there are a lot of them (depending on the definition of mountain). I have to drive up another 1000m in elevation each day as well. The walks are just to get dinner and such. On the bright side, I am down a belt notch, I think. That view is from my apartment, I call it the mansion on the hill, about as far up as you can get while still being "in town". --kelapstick22:03, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
Notes
Or, alternatively, my calfs--interesting. First time I use this meaning of the word in the plural, I think.
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N Deleted. I guess I owe you one for that ACE question. Are we even? Beeblebrox (talk) 02:53, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
Done. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 03:21, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
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