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			So I take it that you don't care that those two users are making up statistics?

			Who cares if I'm banned? What you should be caring about is whether your articles contain demonstrably intellectual dishonest falsehoods.
			Had those two frauds actually read the reference they cited, they would have noted it concluded this:
			"This paper used survey methods similar to those employed in a recent widely cited study by Kleck and Gertz (1995) and produced comparable results; yet our comparison of estimates based on NSPOF with other sources, together with puzzling inconsistencies in over a third of the defensive gun use (DGU) reports, lead us to conclude that the estimates are far too high."

			Thus, not only does it NOT give us a higher estimate than Kleck's estimate of 1 million, it says 1 million is "far too high" as anyone who hasn't had a frontal lobotomy would be able to conclude. Is everyone on Misplaced Pages a high school dropout or something? I don't understand this level of stupidity.

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The Gary Kleck article is governed in part by the policy at WP:BLP (Biographies of Living People). Potentially controversial information added to that page must be accompanied by a reliable source, which is why I've removed your latest addition. If you provide a source, the information can be returned to the article. Thanks. clpo13_(talk) 22:15, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

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Rschen7754 In a case of exceptionally poor timing I just finished making this report Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#TruthIsDivine you may wish to drop in and shortcircuit the report since he's already blocked, but with the personal attacks and edit warring, I think WP:NOTHERE may be in play. Gaijin42 (talk) 22:40, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

Gaijin42 inserted fake statistics into the Defensive Gun Use article which I tried to remove, since his references have no citation of the 33 million figure. It is wholly invented. He Removed the accurately cited statistics I added

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Friends, I come here to save Misplaced Pages from an evil scourge who goes by the name of Gaijin. His heart is black and he owns more guns than the militaries of several nations, and he only recently ended a 1 year ban for posting in gun control articles. What was the first thing he did? He made up a 33 million figure from a study which ACTUALLY said that Kleck's estimate of 1 million was far too high! He is thus, my friends, a vandal of the worst kind: the kind who sleeps amongst us, pretending he is one of us, when he is no servant of truth at all. He lied and he deserves ostracism, if not the death penalty. Further , I introduced citations from the Harvard School of Public Health that demonstrably refute his overemphasized 20 year old study, as well as a recent study of ALL POLICE Reports nationally, which showed only 1584 defensive gun uses reported in 2014. If his figures are correct, that would mean there are 2 million unreported defensive gun uses for every one the police know about. Please! The study he references in fact says explicitly that the 1 million figure is too high. He supplies no quotation to justify the 33 million figure, which is vandalism. God save this once-great encyclopedia from itself! The end times are nigh!

Gaijin42 inserted fake statistics into the Defensive Gun Use article which I tried to remove, since his references have no citation of the 33 million figure. It is wholly invented. He Removed the accurately cited statistics I added

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. gaijin42's references do not say what he says they say. He is unable to produce a quoted citation showing the 33 million figure. He is making it up. If you want to have an encyclopedia with made up facts, where someone can add a figure of 33 million that they invented and which isn't in the article, please go ahead. But I don't think that's an encyclopedia anymore. As for me, I added a cited , with inline citations reference showing that there are only 1600 verified DGUs yearly. Not only that, Gaijins claim is not logically possible. Any elementary logic shows that what he is claiming is impossible. Think about what you are doing in allowing a vandal like Gaijin to insert fake statistics into articles to suit a political agenda when he has already been topic banned from this area and was just reinstated. He is indeed committing fraud by inserting statistics that aren't in the reference. Also, his reference is 20 years old and is intellectually discredited years ago. You might as well replace the Period Table page with Phlogiston theory. Also, he has been blocked from editing in that area previously likely because he inserts fake statistics into articles. 33 million, or even 1'million, are not logically possible figures. They removed the ACTUALLY VERIFIED FIGURE OF 1600 which I posted with refs and inline citation to suit their own misguided beliefs. You should not allow erroneous information to be posted in an encyclopedia. The reference nowhere says 33 million, and even the 1 million figure is ludicrous.

Regardless, personal attacks to other users is not acceptable. You can disagree and still be civil. --allthefoxes 22:57, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

Don't you care that a user is getting away with making up statistics and adding them to articles? Isn't that vandalism? There is no citation that says 33 million and he has managed to get it back in there by blocking me. Do you care that your encyclopedia contains intentional falsehoods or not?

The source for the 33 million number has been pointed out to you multiple times. https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk:Defensive_gun_use&diff=prev&oldid=694067709 Gaijin42 (talk) 23:01, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

How about the quotation of the sentence in the article that says 33 million. You send the reference but the reference doesn't say what you say it does. Thus, you are a liar (and a hillbilly.)

The actual, verified figure is 1584 in 2014. You are only off by, oh, say 2 million times, friend.

Sure, I do care, and I'll look into it. Regardless, you were still blocked for personal attacks and harassment. And that's still not okay, even against a vandal. --allthefoxes 23:05, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

By the way, this is what the reference that they claim actually supports their "33 million" figure says: "This paper used survey methods similar to those employed in a recent widely cited study by Kleck and Gertz (1995) and produced comparable results; yet our comparison of estimates based on NSPOF with other sources, together with puzzling inconsistencies in over a third of the defensive gun use (DGU) reports, lead us to conclude that the estimates are far too high. " it does not support 33 million, it actually says the 1 million figure is far ton high. Please think how illogical it is to think that there are 1 million defensive gun uses in the United States, and 1 million violent crimes. This is like claiming "in 200 percent of burglaries, a home alarm prevented the burglary." It DOES NOT MAKE SENSE.TruthIsDivine (talk) 22:57, 6 December 2015 (UTC)}} Template:Unblockreason=Your reason here22:54, 6 December 2015 (UTC)}}. gaijin42's references do not say what he says they say. He is unable to produce a quoted citation showing the 33 million figure. He is making it up. If you want to have an encyclopedia with made up facts, where someone can add a figure of 33 million that they invented and which isn't in the article, please go ahead. But I don't think that's an encyclopedia anymore. As for me, I added a cited , with inline citations reference showing that there are only 1600 verified DGUs yearly. Not only that, Gaijins claim is not logically possible. Any elementary logic shows that what he is claiming is impossible. Think about what you are doing in allowing a vandal like Gaijin to insert fake statistics into articles to suit a political agenda when he has already been topic banned from this area and was just reinstated. He is indeed committing fraud by inserting statistics that aren't in the reference. Also, his reference is 20 years old and is intellectually discredited years ago. You might as well replace the Period Table page with Phlogiston theory. Also, he has been blocked from editing in that area previously likely because he inserts fake statistics into articles. 33 million, or even 1'million, are not logically possible figures. They removed the ACTUALLY VERIFIED FIGURE OF 1600 which I posted with refs and inline citation to suit their own misguided beliefs. You should not allow erroneous information to be posted in an encyclopedia. The reference nowhere says 33 million, and even the 1 million figure is ludicrous.

Regardless, personal attacks to other users is not acceptable. You can disagree and still be civil. --allthefoxes 22:57, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

How about the quotation of the sentence in the article that says 33 million. You send the reference but the reference doesn't say what you say it does. Thus, you are a liar (and a hillbilly.)

The actual, verified figure is 1584 in 2014. You are only off by, oh, say 2 million times, friend.

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So I take it that you don't care that those two users are making up statistics?

Who cares if I'm banned? What you should be caring about is whether your articles contain demonstrably intellectual dishonest falsehoods. Had those two frauds actually read the reference they cited, they would have noted it concluded this: "This paper used survey methods similar to those employed in a recent widely cited study by Kleck and Gertz (1995) and produced comparable results; yet our comparison of estimates based on NSPOF with other sources, together with puzzling inconsistencies in over a third of the defensive gun use (DGU) reports, lead us to conclude that the estimates are far too high."

Thus, not only does it NOT give us a higher estimate than Kleck's estimate of 1 million, it says 1 million is "far too high" as anyone who hasn't had a frontal lobotomy would be able to conclude. Is everyone on Misplaced Pages a high school dropout or something? I don't understand this level of stupidity.

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