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The 'general discussion' section has been blank for 2-3 days - either the MP has not managed to catch people's attention or the archive bot has been too zealous. Which? Jackiespeel (talk) 14:08, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

The bot is supposed to leave a minimum of two threads on this page, but it doesn't appear to be happening (). The main page error report probably counts as one thread (even if empty), but I would still expect to see one thread remaining. Pinging @Σ:, the bot's owner, to see if he can explain this. Optimist on the run (talk) 15:58, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Why do we need threads here at all? If there is nothing to discuss, why do we need to keep viewing stale discussions? --Jayron32 16:01, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

One reason is that it shows newbies where to post questions. When faced with a blank page they may feel they are in the wrong place. Optimist on the run (talk) 16:10, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Could have added 'or some glitch' to my question.

The nature of the main page is that it generates an intermittent discussion on one component or another - so if there is 'persistent blankness' something is off-kilter. Jackiespeel (talk) 17:36, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

I don't agree that persistent blankness indicates that something is wrong. Often there is nothing about the main page that needs comment. Many new user postings here are spam (quickly removed), or in the wrong place anyway (there's a big box that tells you where you want to go for most things that is often apparently invisible). Nevertheless I've upped the minimum threads from 2 to 3 on the basis that the "main page error reports" and "general discussion" level-1 headings both probably count as threads for the bot's purpose. Bencherlite 17:40, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Jayron likes to remove threads he personally dislikes. Doesn't seem to care about discussion at all. Correctron (talk) 00:50, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

That's an interesting accusation. Could you link to a diff of me removing a thread from this page? --Jayron32 12:08, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

You mean like how you cleared out a thread recently after accusing people of MRAs because it was pointed out that the outrage at only one sex being represented was non-existent?Correctron (talk) 06:45, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

I have no memory of this event. Could you include some diffs of me removing such a thread? --Jayron32 16:35, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

From Correctron's description, the closest thing I can find is this thread . Problem for Correctron is four fold.

One, the thread was closed by Jayron32, but not removed as "cleared out" would seem to imply.

Two, such closures ultimately only strongly discourage further discussion. It wasn't even a hatting, so the thread was still perfectly visible. If editors felt after reading the rationale there was still something relevant to discuss on T:MP, or the closure was otherwise unwarranted or improprer, they were free to reverse it, or just continue the discussion, as happened to a minor extent anyway . Such editors may find themselves sanctioned if they keep continuing discussions long past their prime, just as editors who inappropriately close discussions may find themselves, but that's their responsibility for not understanding community norms not the fault of the closure.

These lead to 3, namely that the discussion wasn't removed/cleared out until over 5 days later by the bot due to inactivity . Note that the discussion was also significantly longer than many T:MP discussions.

Four, and the biggest problem with the complaint here is that while there was some comments there that some people may find offensive, no one accused anyone of being a MRA.

Nil Einne (talk) 15:54, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Subjectively one accepts that 'the bots' will occasionally 'get ahead of themselves' with the discussions, and that most entries on the MP will excite no particular comment (but are likely to elicit traffic to the various pages in question) - but if the talk page is empty for longer than a day one wonders if there is a glitch or something. Jackiespeel (talk) 10:22, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

A solution which was used in some printed technical manuals (and may still be for all I know) was to include the self-contradictory phrase "This page intentionally left blank" on pages which would otherwise have nothing on them. Can "There are no discussions at present" or similar be automatically displayed when this section would otherwise contain nothing, thus preventing the impression that Something is Wrong. Bazza (talk) 12:13, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Why is this even a problem? The error reports sections often have nothing in them, but people seem to be able to figure them out when they are blank. Do people really have more difficulty figuring it out when the General Discussion section is empty? Isn't the purpose of the "edit source" links to show you where to click to add something? I see no reason to leave old discussions up when they are no longer active. If that leaves the section empty, so what? --Khajidha (talk) 16:29, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

For the record, MediaWiki also has an intentionally blank page: Special:BlankPage. It displays MediaWiki:Intentionallyblankpage so it could really be blanked if wanted. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:39, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

The point I was making is that it is 'somewhat unusual' for the MP talk page to be totally blank, especially for more than a day; and there #are# occasional glitches with pages - and there should be some entries which promote discussion (but not necessarily complaints). Jackiespeel (talk) 17:07, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Errors in the summary of the language section

When I enter the main page of English wikipedia, the Kurdish section(kurdî) seems like it isn't found, please can you solve it or tell me the reason?--Dilyaramude (talk) 15:44, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

Because, according to , it has c.20,000 articles, and the lists at the foot of the Main Page say that they only list Wikipedias with 50,000 articles+ --Dweller (talk) 15:55, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

The Funding banner

... is annoyingly large. 85.115.54.202 (talk) 16:52, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

It is indeed. See this recent discussion. Create an account. Bear with the WMF until the New Year. Hit the little "X". Contact the WMF if it really bothers you. Eman235/talk 17:14, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Transcluding a TFA page into ERRORS?

Okay, there's a chance everyone will think I'm a tool for even asking, but I've exhausted every other option, with zero success. I asked around for help writing a bot to ping me when the TFA section at ERRORS is edited, and I argued the case at meta:2015 Community Wishlist Survey for watchable sections. I also asked for help at WP:BOTREQ#Pinging when a "task" section is edited, where the advice was given to break off the TFA section as a separate page and transclude it to ERRORS, so that it can be watchlisted separately. That's what I'd like to do. I hesitate to ask; I'm concerned that people will misinterpret this as a request to distance TFA from other Main Page goings-on. Not true; I'd like a notice at ERRORS that anyone watchlisting is encouraged to also watchlist the transcluded TFA page. I've learned a lot from ERRORS, and I plan to keep on learning. All I'm saying is that it would be nice not to have to check all the ERRORS lines in my watchlist, all day long. - Dank (push to talk) 22:37, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Why not a separate sub-page for each section? Eman235/talk 23:00, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

I'm a little concerned about possible negative effects of this change. When I'm active one of the things I try to get around to doing is checking errors, but as I no longer use a watchlist, so I mainly use the transcluded version on main-page talk which I visit frequently; this often, I've found to my peril, lags behind errors itself, sometimes by hours, and so I fear if TfA errors were transcluded into main-page errors (and I assume additionally directly into main-page talk, not via a double transclusion?) the same would happen. Espresso Addict (talk) 02:49, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

I'll confirm the lag in the transcluded errors section. I don't use it. Instead, I habitually click "Error reports" in the toolbox to see the real errors, not the sometimes-obsolete version of the errors. Art LaPella (talk) 06:17, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

non sequitur

On the main page for December 23, 2015, there was a blurb about James Battersby believing Hitler was Jesus "despite" Battersby's father having died on the Lusitania. The article on Battersby doesn't connect these two issues at all, correctly showing that the Lusitania went down in 1915. Unless I missed something actually in the article, none of the sources about Battersby quotes him as making any connection. This sort of attention grabbing misquote is what I expect of tabloids and doesn't help promote Misplaced Pages as a reliable source. 100.15.120.162 (talk) 11:42, 23 December 2015 (UTC)