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The Cite from one of new "references" -Making a Great Ruler: Grand Duke Vytautas of Lithuania -there is nothing their about "Turan tribe"

See http://bookzz.org/dl/955291/028a7d

In Eastern Europe, Karaites are frequently called Karaim, both terms being equal; I prefer to use the Karaite as being more common in English. Karaism as religion is based exclusively on the Torah, rejecting all its commentaries and interpretations, and emphasizes the principles of the Decalogue. In addition to its Judaic origins, Karaism was formed under the strong influence of Islam. As to the liturgy, in Lithuania, it is influenced by Catholicism and consists of psalms and religious cantoes. Liturgical language is Hebrew; however, national tongues are also widely used. Religious holidays are determined according to the Lunar calendar. Summarized from Halina Kobeckaitė, Lietuvos Karaimai (Lithuanian Karaites) (Vilnius: baltos lankos, 1997), 10–31. For the general studies on Karaites, also see Simon Szyszman, Les Karaïtes d’Europe, Acta Universitatis Uppsaliensis: Studia Multiethnica Upsaliensia 7, ed. Harald Runblom (Uppsala: Center d’études multiethniques de l’Université de Upsal, 1989); Ananiasz Zajączkowski, Karaims in Poland: History, Language, Folklore, Science (Warsaw: PWN; Paris: Mouton, 1961).

See also https://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:79.109.203.252 to understand that the author of last changes is known from 2012.Неполканов (talk) 00:58, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

I do not see any reference to a "Turan Church" in the article.

In fact the article is clearly about an ethnic group not a religious group. Dunlop's article is available to read online. You appear to have overlooked the disambiguation at the top distinguishing this ethnic group from Karaim and from Karaites. 94.159.177.65 (talk) 15:44, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

In fact I intended to "Turanian Tribe of Medieval Kyrgyz-Christian origin" claimed by anonim author .

The references are about Karaim while in the header is writen that "Not to be confused" with Karaim that is East Euriopenian name for ethnic (not religious) group of Crimean Karaites see the article that already discusses the different version about origin of Crimean Karaites.It is known style of the same author that claims about origin of Crimean Karaites aproving their claims by distorting the meanings of his references .Неполканов (talk) 20:20, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

I can see from your edit history that you have a diligent and strong personal attachments it seems almost solely to Karaim topics, and have likewise diligently assisted whenever you raised a concern about that author you mentioned. Nevertheless, it honestly seems you are a little confused here and definitely over-reacting in your recent edits and accusations .

This article is essentially a summary of Douglas Morton Dunlop's paper on the Kirgizian Karaits of the Genghisid empire -clearly unrelated to the Jewish Karaim religious group (Qaraites) which you are perhaps a little overly concerned with. In fact the clarification and distinction is very welcome! The fact that such similar names have been used for two so different groups invites more disambiguation, rather than obfuscation on the matter.YuHuw (talk) 22:19, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Sorting out the topics at this title

Hi guys. I'm an American administrator from Ohio, and have been watching this page for a week. Let's see if we can get it sorted out.

Karait was created as a redirect to Bungarus in June 2008‎. The rationale given for that was: "There's a krait snake in Rikki-Tikki-Tavi called "Karait", people may look up that name (as I did)"

I confirmed that in wikisource:The Jungle Book/"Rikki-Tikki-Tavi": "a tiny voice said: “Be careful. I am Death!” It was Karait, the dusty brown snakeling". Bungarus § In fiction also discusses this.

So there is one meaning for the title, and this redirect stood for seven years, until on December 31 a "new stub" was created by 31.154.167.98.

On New Year's Day, I find that Bungarus has landed in Category:Articles with redirect hatnotes needing review, because its hatnote now erroneously claims that:

"Karait" redirects here. For other meanings, see Karaite.

So I remove the hatnote from Bungarus, and add another hatnote to the new Karait stub:

For other meanings, see Karaite.

...and then another:

Not to be confused with Crimean Karaites.

because, as I said in my edit summary, "I'm confused and unsure if this is a WP:Content fork or not."

I was hoping that you all, as I assume you are much more familiar with the topics than I am, will help clear up my confusion. The dab at Karaim isn't doing a particularly good job of helping to clear it up. I suppose I should now read the section above this, but you guys are ahead of me, and I'm still trying to catch up. Wbm1058 (talk) 00:00, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

There seems to be a distinction here based on geography; I see one based in Crimea (made recently famous by the Russians taking it back), and another based on "the Turanian Tribe", i.e. the Turan region, which seems somewhat removed from Crimea. What is the relationship between these two, if any? Wbm1058 (talk) 00:17, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

I will try to explain. There two totally fully different ethnic groups :one Kirgiz Mongolian tribal confederation of Khereid, the second ethno-religious group of Crimean Karaites (called also Karailar and Karaim) living in Eastern Europe. Every one has different articles in the wikipedia. The discussed article is the third alternative article about the subjects above claiming that Crimean Karaites of Lithuanua are relaited to this Mongolian Tribe. This theory has nothing with references claimed in the article. Part of then are speaking about ] the others about Crimean Karaites(see my cite above)

In post Soviet Crimea some amateur Crimean Karaites authors claiming the same. They are briefly mentioned on Crimean Karaites page. Any way the place of this stuff not on separate page but on Crimean Karaites page.

Similiar editor already tried to vandalize Crimean Karaites page with references fakes and failed . Now it is the similiar try. I ask first of all to prevent anonimious edit of the article because the suspected author has large repetative record of sockpuppeteery Неполканов (talk) 00:50, 9 January 2016 (UTC)