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thanks!

just wanted to say it to ya! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mumbaki (talk • contribs) 05:25, August 8, 2006 (UTC)

• In recognition of your mature and calm handling of the situation, I'd like to present you with the following:

Shapiro

You said you were stuck on this. I suggest a bit more in the legal implications sections, also putting in material about his philanthropic charitable activities, and maybe a bit about how he hasa been perceived on blogs (i.e. not used as a source of info about him, but as a source of info about the bloggers' perceptions of him). Even in its present state, I suggest this should now be uploaded as the article, and the existing one perhaps stored on a sub-page of the article talk page, so that the material there is accessible for anyone who wants it. The bulk of the material on the legal implications could be put in a separate article Advertising legal practices in the US. Tyrenius 08:44, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

His philanthropy is mentioned in one article at least in Rochester Democrat and Chronicle and also on his promo site , where it states:

He completed a donation of $823,000.00 for a new YMCA. "The Hammer" has donated thousands of books to school children who could not afford books. "The Hammer" has also donated tens of thousands to help build schools for children. Shapiro has donated thousands more to help children read.

"Completed" could mean he topped up to that amount, rather than gave the whole amount himself. It doesn't say what books he donated to schoolchildren. Maybe it was "Sue the Bastard"?! Tyrenius 09:59, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

David Tench

Thanks for the note, Sarah. Heh heh, I can't believe I'm putting up such an impassioned defence for a show which looks so awful! I just saw the ad tonight and have no interest in watching it whatsoever. Take care, --Canley 11:27, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

RfA

Sarah, if you get this note in time, I wondered if you might consider changing your vote here; quite a few have including your "per"s. I don't think he'll make it anyway. Excuse my impudence if you feel this is out of place; I don't know the user at all, FWIW. --Guinnog 13:15, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar

, :O OMg thank u soo much :) it's my first barnstar :D. I won't forget this, when Im rich and famous ;) Thanks :) --Deon555|talk|e|Review Me! :D 07:21, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

lol im patient dont worry :P :). Hey did u hear im looking at making a bot =D. Some absolute excellent editors are helping me with a few things, cause im still learning python.. but yeh :D im excited as. --Deon555|talk|e|Review Me! :D 07:42, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Well since my python skills are umm how can i put this.. non-existent? Eagle_101, me and a few other wikipedians have turned it into a Wikiproject :) Misplaced Pages:WikiProject_AfD_closing. still fun :) and my edit count hit 1000 today =D.--Deon555|talk|e|Review Me! :D 12:12, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Done :) --Deon555|talk|e|Review Me! :D 00:12, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

PS :P, I dun no about the whole melbourne function, im *under 18* and would feel a little awkward :/ --Deon555|talk|e|Review Me! :D 00:12, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

RE: Hey

I didn't get your email - Cartman02au 09:54, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

That would have been my westnet.com.au address, unfortunately I am not at home at the moment (I thought you used my gmail address, sorry bout that) - Cartman02au 10:02, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar

The Original Barnstar How come you haven't got several of these already to recognise your constant excellent input in all sorts of ways for all sorts of people, here, there and everywhere? Tyrenius 00:47, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I second that emotion. Carptrash 01:04, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Clarification

	Editor's Barnstar	This is awarded to Sarah Ewart for realizing the importance of reputations and for rescuing a Newbie in way over her head. My heroine! Congirl 00:18, 6 August 2006
	Original Barnstar	How come you haven't got several of these already to recognise your constant excellent input in all sorts of ways for all sorts of people, here, there and everywhere? Tyrenius 00:47, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
	Defender of the Wiki Barnstar	Awarded to Sarah Ewart for going beyond the call of duty and battling to maintain policy in the best interests of Misplaced Pages on Michael Ignatieff. Tyrenius 07:32, 11 August 2006 (UTC) 14:12, 3 July 2006 (UTC) }}

I made this, what do you think, Mate? Eh? Now you can collect all your Stars into a neat box.

As for the removals going on in the Talk page. The removals I am talking about seem to come from the anon IPs with strong accusations. Are these edits being dumped into both user talk pages, or just Ottawamans? I feel lots of this dumping by Anon IPs is nothing more than One UPminship. I wonder if Ottawaman in related to this? Pete Peters 03:19, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

This entry's history log seems very confusing. Though, I wouldn't be suprised if many of the Pro Ignatieff editors are doing the edits from Ignatieff's leadership campaign headquarters. I was tipped off that Ottawaman might be related because his need to cry foul at the Administrator intervention against vandalism and for his desire to revert back to his version calling it consensus version. I recommend CJCurrie to resolve this, I have declared him the Wikipedian authority of Canadian Politics :) Pete Peters 03:44, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I updated Your Medal Chest. Pete Peters 13:22, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Hammer

Somewhere or other in BLP or VERIFY or RS, it says judicious use can be made of the subject's own website. I think prefacing it with "his website states..." or else making that clear in the notes (which I think you have already) is the way forward. The newspaper is the one that requires payment. I thought you accessed it already? Tyrenius 04:50, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

You should have an email with 3 good texts to use in the article. Please confirm it's come through OK. Thanks. Tyrenius 05:58, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Talk pages

What I posted was:

DON'T ALTER COMMENTS

Talk should not be amended or removed, either your own or someone else's (with the exception of libel, gross abuse etc, when a placeholder giving relevant information such as should be substituted).

What you removed obviously falls under gross abuse, so you can move it. It doesn't belong on the page. Tyrenius 05:58, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Defender of the Wiki

Hey, I know this is totally ridiculous giving two barnstars in less than 24 hours, but the first I meant to give you a little while ago, and now I feel your sterling effort on Ignatieff cannot go unrecognised and needs a suit of armour! These will definitely have to last you now... Tyrenius 07:32, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar Awarded to Sarah Ewart for going beyond the call of duty and battling to maintain policy in the best interests of Misplaced Pages on Michael Ignatieff. Tyrenius 07:32, 11 August 2006 (UTC) 14:12, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

They'll have to last you for a while now, as I'm sure you'll continue to earn them. (And I am looking forward to J--you-know-who!) Tyrenius 11:16, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

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Javsav 10:55, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps he shouldn't make unproductive reverts to my article edits, and then I'll consider not making unproductive edits to his editor review. But I do not review the edit as unproductive. I truly think he is a bad editor. He asked for opinions and I told him mine. This isn't Nazi Germany. Javsav 10:41, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

When did I ever imply that I had a high IQ? I think you'll find that it was Deon who boasted to have one in the range of 140. Javsav 10:48, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind way in which you retracted your statement Javsav 10:55, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Your statement was, "You are bad." This is not a review: it is simply a personal attack and of no help to an editor seeking to improve. I have deleted your second comment, which repeated the first. If you continue merely to attack the editor, you will be blocked. Preferably, consider what part of the the editing you consider bad, why you consider it bad, and, crucially, what steps the editor can take to improve that area. If there is more than one area, then detail them separately, or, if there is general advice, then again frame that in a way that will help the editor to improve. The aim of the review is to provide a supportive response for people that need some objective insight and assistance. Tyrenius 10:56, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Question

I guess so. It's totally useless and also misleading. I've removed it. Tyrenius 11:00, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

my editor review

Hi Sarah, thanks heaps for removing all that vandalism from my editor review. I explained to the user I was using a VP-like application and I didnt realise it wasnt vandalism. Thanks for ur help :) --Deon555|talk|e|Review Me! :D 11:54, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Dynamic IPs and Ottawaman

I've run ARIN Whois lookups, which show that all the IPs belong to Bell Sympatico in Toronto. Bell assigns a dynamic IP to each user when they log in, so I'm afraid the best we can do is leave messages on Ottawaman's account and continue to revert edits to the Talk page. At least the current protection prevents actual article edits. On that note, I suppose I really should get an account. :) 72.139.185.19 12:36, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Box

It's just the code from a barnstar with the text and image changed. No template. 72.139.185.19 03:10, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Miscellanea

Glad you liked the Hammer videos, Sarah. On the subject of drafts, I've decided to set the Ignatieff page on the right foot and spent some time wikifying all the references. The results can be found here: Talk:Michael_Ignatieff/Drafts. Since I'm still a new/anonymous user, I can't actually post the changes, but I think they'd be a good start. Anyway, I was wondering if you'd be willing to post the them me. The article itself is identical (well, I changed one grammatical mistake), but now, the references are properly formatted. -- 72.139.185.19 04:39, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Oops. Hadn't actually noticed the difference. I'll wait until the page is unprotected.

Rove McManus

What's with deleting the link I put on the Rove McManus page? It is a relevant site that documents the controversy that the subject faces. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 218.185.83.42 (talk • contribs) .

Apology? Where is it?

I do not remember anyone receiving any apology from 72.139.185.19 regardless of Sarah Ewart's assertion of repeated apologies. Perhaps Tyrenius or Sarah could direct me to those "repeated" apologies? Ottawaman 17:50, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

I feel you should folow up on the deletion of

Hi,Sarah, You are making a lot of edits on my discussion page so I hope you do not mind a few from me here. You are expressing the opinion that the use of the template has been apologized for and that should be the end of discussion about it. I am trying to say that imo the template itself is offensive to disabled children,their families, and any civilized person. I certainly believe that this template must be deleted as soon as possible and I certainly find it offensive as I personally know a family with a retarded child. I think it is quite wrong to just look at that template as a tool for personal attack and address it solely from that perspective; I think the greater harm is the hurt feelings caused by ridiculing disabled people and particularly children as the photo in that template clearly does. In my opinion the designer of that template is clearly a vandal. Could you perhaps track down who designed the template and also get it deleted? Ottawaman 18:20, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

re: Missed Message

Haha yeah I'm only 14 :) --Deon555|talk|e|Review Me! :D 23:20, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Reply on User_talk:Deon555

lol :) i guess im *such a good liar* haha a great thing to know :P. L8R --Deon555|talk|e|Review Me! :D 08:07, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Giovanni33 proposal

Hi, Sarah. Since you recently got (slightly) involved in the case of Giovanni and his puppets, I thought I would direct you to new discussion, in case you have missed it. Jayjg has now confirmed through checkuser that Professor33, NeoOne, and CleanSocks are all sockpuppets of Giovanni33. Giovanni has now come as close as I think he can come (without losing face) to admitting sockpuppetry. He has agreed here that it doesn't pay, and has asked to be unblocked on certain conditions which, if enforced, would make the use of sockpuppets completely futile. I've made a proposal here, at the Incidents Noticeboard. Also, this section of Danny's talk page gives a summary of this history and contains links to all or nearly all the places where it has been discussed. The blocking admin has indicated that he will consider unblocking early, and I'd be happy with that, but I think we need to work out the conditions that Giovanni agrees to first. Assuming that the sockpuppetry stops, I'd also be happy with removing the puppeteer tag from his own user page, in order to help him to make a clean start, free from any unnecessary humiliation. Don't feel you have to get involved, but if you have time, a comment at the noticeboard would be welcome. I'm hoping to have this sorted out as soon as possible, because I need to go on wiki-break to finish some writing. Cheers. AnnH ♫ 06:59, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments, Sarah. I knew you weren't an admin, though I'm sure you'd sail through an RfA. (I remember being impressed at the time with your calm message to Count Of The Saxon Shore at the time that he was trying to nominate Robsteadman's user page for deletion.) In the meantime, don't forget that the "lesser mortals" are always welcome to join discussion at admin noticeboards. In fact, it's one of the things that gets potential admins "known" by the community. Cheers. AnnH ♫ 11:16, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

James Shapiro

Thanks for your comment on the discussion page. Your version is better than what exists now, but I still think the intent of the original article was and is gratuitous lawyer bashing -- as you can see from "WAS" last comment. I personally think this lawyer looks pretty sleazy, but -- and a big 'but'-- why is there such a desire to publicly excoriate him? Do we have articles on offensive doctor advertising, or doctors that had their licenses suspended? Gee, I can give you the name of one.... Only his license was not supsended, it was revoked for far worse things than Shapiro was guilty of doing.jawesq 07:02, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Deletion

Happy to do so, Ms. Ewart. -- Samir धर्म 07:48, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Cerejota

Hi, Sarah. In short, Cerejota is pushing his POV, and is gaming the system with his reverts. He's out of reverts, yet he continues to revert to previous versions, which as far as I can tell, means he has reverted at least five times in 24 hours. A link to 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict is already in the article (linked in context, in the appropriate section as "ongoing conflict with Hezbollah in Lebanon" in reference to the JF). The only reason Cerejota is linking to 2006 Israel-Gaza conflict is because he wants to, and I've asked hin not to edit the article based on his POV. This began when I originally added a link in the see also section to August 1999 Los Angeles Jewish Community Center shooting, which for some very strange and unknown reason, made him extremely upset, leading him to engage in wild, trollish behavior, as evidenced here, even though my addition of that link was supported by references, whereas his changes are not. Worse, his reverting of the lead is actually a major distortion of the article, as the quote in the lead is not a quote but a paraphrase of something a witness said. I fixed the article by placing the full alleged quotes in the context of the events themselves. I feel that my version sticks to the facts without placing undue emphasis on dated material by placing time-sensitive information (which is already out of date) into the appropriate sections. The current version fails on many levels. I prefer this particular version because it sticks to known facts within a chronology that does not date, and does not attempt to take any particular side. —Viriditas | Talk 13:18, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Check your e-mail. —Viriditas | Talk 09:08, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

I did not overwrite - I deleted

Questions

Second, I removed the sections that were factually untrue and that were judgmental and inflammatory -- including where I quoted the same paragraph to show the author's bias. This is per the WP:Bio guidelines as the tag says on the talk page.jawesq 15:35, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes I did mean George Herbert Walker. Pity he is not an admin. He was the most reasonable.jawesq 15:48, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

I will p;ost in discussion (as I did the last time) regarding the reason for removal, in addition to posting the reason in the edit summary. THe paragraph with 'illegal' was not just factually incorrect, but it was also a posterad for the author's intent for writing the article - pure hatred and judgmentalism. A poor reason for an encyclopedia article, although this is by no means the only example of that.jawesq 15:51, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Chaser8 spammer

Thanks for undoing the work of the Chaser8 spammer. I often find myself having to deal with a serial spammer and know what an unwelcome chore it can be. Nunquam Dormio 17:11, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Barnstars

What are they? Where did that offensive photo come from? Ottawaman 01:44, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

wow; i can't possibly relate to anyone who would misuse that photo in such a way. Ottawaman 01:44, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Why are we still talking about that? FellowWikipedian 19:39, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Won't he ever stop?

Won't Pnatt ever stop vandalizing this place? Good work keeping up with him and reporting him to WP:AIV! —Mets501 (talk) 02:42, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

I know! I'm hoping he gets bored with it very soon. Thanks for blocking him so quickly. Last time he did this it took ages to get him blocked. Cheers, Sarah Ewart (Talk) 02:45, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

No problem! It's fun; I just became an admin last night. —Mets501 (talk) 02:46, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

I just semi-protected Australia and Macquarie Dictionary now to hopefully stop this vandalism. I can't believe I didn't think of that sooner. —Mets501 (talk) 02:52, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

According to Pnatt's userpage history he has Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. That may explain his rampant vandalism patterns on Misplaced Pages. Aussieguy 03:00, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Here's proof... http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User:Pnatt&direction=next&oldid=48088073

I've responded to your email. —Mets501 (talk) 03:31, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Why did you revert?

Why did you revert my edits here...
http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=David_Tench_Tonight&diff=69517418&oldid=69513690
and here...
http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Australian_English&diff=69517585&oldid=69514326
?
Aussieguy 05:56, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Re: Aussieguy

Duly blocked. He had violated 3RR in any event. Happy editing, --cj | talk 06:44, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

For your kind comment! I'll need a week or so to pluck up the courage. --Guinnog 07:49, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for stepping in at User talk:84.64.42.43 :-) —Mets501 (talk) 13:48, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Good luck on your RfA. -- Samir धर्म 07:37, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Your concerns

Hi,

I have been looking through the logs of discussions of friends, when I saw the discussion of my leaving(!) Misplaced Pages. Thanks for showing the concerns. Actually it was my birthday on 2nd August, and I planned to write the "Away" message after returning from the party. But these things are very much unpredictable and by the time I came back, I was so tired that I went to sleep. I had to leave early morning of the next day, so I couldn't leave a message then. Thankfully, I had informed quite a few Wikipedians (Samir, Nirav, Sir Porpington, Dwaipayan, Deepu Joseph, etc.), and my leave was quickly attributed correctly on my talk page. Thanks again, both for the concerns and showing confidence in me. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 10:32, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

David Oberklaid

HELLO - WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT YOU HAVE PUBLISHED FALSE INFORMATION ABOUT MY FATHER AND IMPLIED THAT MY YOUNGER SISTER HAS A HEART CONDITION THAT SHE DOESN'T HAVE - THIS IS EXTREMELY INSENSITIVE AND I REQUEST YOU REMOVE IT IMMEDIATELY. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by So1234 (talk • contribs) .

In the light of the above and as the article is completely unreferenced, I have deleted it. Content is available on request if you want to work on it in user space. Tyrenius 14:51, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing out the mistake

Thanks for pointing out the mistake I'd made. It's easy enough to do, really. Should all be fixed now. LinaMishima 16:16, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

The Deal

Here's the deal on 3RR - it only works when others 'team up' on someone. A change is made - it can be discussed, or whatever. But when you are the one who's changes or contributions are 'reverted', and you want to initiate such change, then who is right and who is wrong? The one who offered the contribution or the one who initiated a 'rev' to suit themselves? Too many times I have seen things incorrectly perceived and then the 3RR issued out threateningly (even in cases of direct manipulation, slander, and outright insult). I've seen an insulting person get a contributing person banned because of this. Amazing, isn't it? Because someone says that you cannot remove the insult - so the rev goes back and forth when a person is trying to remove an insult. Go figure. Rarelibra 16:29, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

It is also difficult to take some things in Misplaced Pages seriously, or to continue efforts, when you have intelligent, researched, and - at times - "SME" contributions that are quickly 'reverted', 'overturned', or denied because of a 'consensus' or differing opinion by someone else. I can understand when it is outright graffiti or vandalism, but I'm talking about standardizing input, contributions, etc. to avoid things such as biased opinion (which exists on the Australia page - when they say you must only use "Australian" English). Rarelibra 16:33, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Consensus

Don't lecture me until you learn more about me. I am award-winning in my industry and I work on a regular basis with the United Nations Cartographic Group. I think I have valid input. Read above - hard to take things serious when you have such as yourselves going around quoting rules and not assuming good faith at the efforts of others. Rarelibra 16:35, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Honestly? I don't have time for this. It will become my 'opinion' against that of the 'regular' contributors as such stated. Consider this - working with countries and administrative levels, I can visit 20 or 30 country pages in ONE DAY. As such, I have been able to make small (and numerous) changes at many of the various pages, be it alphabetizing, name changes, formatting, maps, etc. So I am then not qualified as a 'regular' for a page like Australia. But in my overall edits, do I not qualify on the topic of standardization (American spelling - ha!)? So you see, I do not wish to discuss... they want it that way, fine. But that doesn't mean that most of the other countries will be standardized. Life is too short and the world is too beautiful to stress over what a 'consensus' feels should be displayed on an Internet page, you see? Cheers Rarelibra 16:46, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

No, I disagree. You PERCEIVE it as egocentric and arrogant and such. But then again, contributions on the Nissan Maxima page were seen as too "American" and not including a 'world' viewpoint, thus, were criticized. And if I were to state what you said on my talk page, with the focus on the Maxima in North America (where it is still produced), I would be labeled and told not to do so. So it is a two-way street. It is far from being egocentric and arrogant - be careful of accusatory or insulting phrases, as you may be perceived as being the 'arrogant' or 'egocentric' one. Enough of this. I'll just be an outside viewer. Too many times people cannot agree and continue to revert to their own 'consensual' liking. That is the failure of Misplaced Pages. Besides, it only takes so long before someone comes along and completely changes what you've worked so hard at, right? Especially if they are a 'regular' contributor as to a SME contributor. Read the history of the formatting discussion I had - the claim is to have a capital letter and then smaller-case letters (such as "Administrative divisions") when TRUE manuals of style state the proper use would be "Administrative Divisions". So when a 'consensus' says one thing contradictory to true or official standards, then what? Rarelibra 17:18, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I was very surprised when I saw that! Rarelibra seems to have a very different understanding of how Misplaced Pages works, which would explain why s/he finds our requests so offensive and doesn't understand them in the spirit intended. (Apparently, the US govt manuals of style are the "true" manuals of style, too!) JPD (talk) 17:25, 16 August 2006 (UTC)