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	Pierre Trudeau was a good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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Succession box replacement

I have replaced the succession box of this article with one that conforms to the standards and guidelines set by WikiProject Succession Box Standardization so that it can serve as a sample for the kind of changes we wish to make in a larger scale throughout the articles of Canadian politicians. This succession box has retained most of the information that was present in the previous box; the only information that was not included was the number and party status of the cabinets, something which is mostly of statistical nature anyway and can be found in a list of cabinets. The current box has placed Trudeau's political offices in a chronological order and has unified the Minister of Justice succession line; furthermore it is more discrete and aesthetically pleasing, as well as simpler in its parameters and syntax. Please do not immediately change back the box but discuss it and see whether the new format is indeed preferable or not. Thank you. Waltham, The Duke of 09:30, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Non NPOV

"Generally forgotten is that Trudeau's question in Saskatoon was rhetorical and followed by long explanation that, in epitome, said that the governments' role was only to help farmers to sell their own wheat, and told of some of the difficulties involved in doing so on the international market; likewise, that the protesters in Salmon Arm were shouting blatantly anti-French and anti-Quebec slogans. In his book Paradox: Trudeau as Prime Minister, Anthony Westell covers this incident, giving a good sense of what was actually said, rather than the excerpt that made the headlines."

In my opinion, this passage seems to be defending Trudeau in a particularly non NPOV way. I really don't know how it could be fixed without deleting it outright, so I was wondering if there were any suggestions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.66.47.150 (talk) 02:57, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, it could be presented as what that book said - IF that is what it said --JimWae (talk) 03:12, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

The whole thing looks like an essay without citation aka pulling stuff outta' my butt. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.225.243.189 (talk) 08:44, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

The phrase "In his book Paradox: Trudeau as Prime Minister, Anthony Westell..." is a citation. It's not in footnote style, but it most certainly is a citation — the book does exist, it is a reliable source, and it says exactly what it's being quoted as saying. In other words, this looks less like "pulling stuff outta' my butt" and more like "I don't want this article to contain properly cited information that could undermine why I personally hate him so much" — which is far more POV than the original passage ever was, particularly since the content in question was replaced instead with unsourced assertions that both incidents happened completely devoid of context or explanation. Bearcat (talk) 04:23, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

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Why does this entry lack images?

I find the lack of photos in this entry disturbing. Is it because of Misplaced Pages copyright policies? Bwark (talk) 18:51, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Basically, there were a bunch of images in there before (from the Canadian national archives), which were tagged as being in the public domain. Then it turned out that people were misinterpreting the archives' copyright policies, and that they weren't in the public domain at all, so they were deleted. I plan on putting some more in at some point - any photo of Trudeau taken in Canada up until the age of thirty should be in the public domain, and I think there are definitely some fair use rationales to be written for others - but I haven't yet gotten around to it. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 19:44, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Why LLD (Mont)?

In the infobox, Trudeau is titled "LLD (Mont)" which presumably means that he got his LLD from University of Montreal. Is it standard for all Canadian LLDs to have their alma mater specified in parentheses? --Richard (talk) 22:49, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

I think this might be because it was an honorary doctorate, and as such the place received is pertinent rather than the actual degree (and because someone might have honorary degrees from multiple institutions). It is not common for someone with a "regular" LLD to list the institution in parentheses behind their degree, unless they are listing the originating university for all of their degrees (as someone might on a c.v., for example. Richard Smith (talk) 04:43, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Kind and polite

A friend of mine used to cross him almost daily as they took the elevator together at her workplace (office tower). She says he was always kind, polite, and smiling.

Maybe there would be a way to include this description of the man in the main article?

CielProfond (talk) 03:43, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm afraid not; per WP:V and WP:NOR, we can only include facts in the article if they've been published in reliable sources. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 03:46, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Anti-Communism

Every so often, I post on the Pierre Trudeau page, under "categories," that he was a "Canadian anti-communist." "Canadian anti-communist" is frequently deleted by other editors. Every single U.S. president since 1945 until 1993 (the beginning- to the end of the Cold War) (Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, and Bush) has, on their Misplaced Pages pages, the category of "American anti-communist." Likewise, as Canada is a major player on the world stage, I think that it is wholly appropriate to list every single Canadian Prime Minister since 1945 until 1993 (Mackenzie King, St. Laurent, Diefenbaker, Pearson, Trudeau, Clark, Turner, Mulroney, and Campbell) as "Canadian anti-communists." If you are under the misapprehension that because Trudeau was friendly with Castro it means he was a communist or communist sympathizer, you are wrong. Ronald Reagan displayed friendly relations with the Communist Chinese leadership but does that make Reagan pro-communist? Absolutely not! Sopm (talk) 17:03, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

While I am not one of the folks who have deleted the term "anti-communist" from this page I find it unreasonable to conclude that Trudeau was anti-communist. Trudeau was very active as a youth in the corporatism movements in Quebec which were at first pseudo fascist and later pseudo communist. Trudeau studied under one of the pre-eminent socialist economists of the 20th century, Harold Laski, at the London School of Economics. Laski himself was quite sympathetic to the communist, centrally controlled approaches to economic management. Trudeau's works, such as Federalism and the French Canadians, use much of the Marxist class-based terminology. Finally, I suspect the primary reason Trudeau cannot be labelled "anti-communist" is that Trudeau himself never positioned Canada particularly strongly against communist regimes while he was PM. Rather, Trudeau tended to be middle of the road in foreign relations with such countries (arguably a better approach diplomatically). To use your example, while Reagan did engage in some friendly foreign relations with communist countries, Reagan also took some pretty aggressive positions against communist countries. Thus, Trudeau is generally perceived as not being anti-communist whereas Reagan is.DWiatzka (talk) 23:11, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

I have reverted your category edit. Re-inserting a claim that you know to be under dispute, without citing a source, is unhelpful. Please back up your position before putting that back in the article. I'm not an expert on the man, but my understanding is that DWiatzka's position is correct in this. Also, given his position on Cuba in the face of American pressure, you would likely have an easier time proving his sympathies for the Communist states than proving he was an anti-Communist. You need to back up your claim. Matt Deres (talk) 04:10, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Anti-communist means "actively fought against communism". That simply doesn't describe most Canadian Prime Ministers — although no Canadian Prime Minister has ever been a communist, certainly, virtually not a single one after Bennett was ever involved in any sort of organized anti-communist activism. Or, at the very least, Bennett's is just about the only one in which the category link itself wasn't the one and only appearance of the word "communist" (let alone "anti-communist") anywhere in the entire article — which may not be the same thing, admittedly, but in the absence of real sources we have to treat it that way nevertheless. Trudeau's article mentions communism exactly once in the entire article, as the subject of his doctoral thesis at Harvard, but that doesn't lend itself in any significant way to clarifying his beliefs on the subject one way or the other.

The Cold War simply doesn't apply to Canadian PMs in anything even remotely approaching the same way as it does to American presidents, because Canadian Prime Ministers were never leaders of the Cold War — most of them, in fact, just tried to keep Canada out of harm's way by flying under the radar as much as possible. Put simply, the category doesn't belong on any article that doesn't explicitly describe the subject as having been an active anti-communist. Bearcat (talk) 04:33, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Bearcat - you write that "Canadian Prime Ministers were never "leaders" of the Cold War." Well, using that logic, Canadian Prime Ministers, by virtue of Canada's influence, can NEVER be leaders of anything internationally, Cold War or otherwise. Obviously, a Canadian PM could never go to the Brandenberg Gate and order Gorbachev to "tear down this wall." He would have looked foolish. Reagan, on the other hand, due to the military might on his side, was credible when he said that.

If you read Peter C. Newman's "Secret Mulroney Tapes," you will notice that Newman writes extensively about how Mulroney said that he "brokered" peace deals between Bush and and Gorbachev "right here in Ottawa." Is that not leadership? Is that not anti-communism? Sopm (talk) 05:44, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

You're the one using flawed logic here — I didn't say that Canadians were in the background in the Cold War solely by virtue of Canada's more limited level of international prominence vis-à-vis the US and the USSR. I said that Canadian PMs weren't leaders in the Cold War because Canadian PMs actually took a neutral, hands-off, "staying out of it as much as possible" role. I'm not loading in assumptions about Canada's level of international influence; I'm merely describing the position that Canada actually chose to take. Brokering a peace deal between the US and the USSR is not "anti-communist" leadership; it's leadership of a type, but there's nothing inherently anti-communist about it. It can just as easily be characterized as pro-communist, because it's not predicated on "capitalism wins, communism loses" at all. It's like characterizing the mediator in a divorce settlement as being inherently on one side or the other — they aren't: they're mediating between two parties, not a priori taking one party's side. Bearcat (talk) 17:21, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Trudeau is disliked by many Québécois, particularly in the news media, the academic and political establishments.

I find that this sentence is an opinion, and that it is not supported by the citation. It looks like someone tried to say that Quebeckers who dislike Trudeau are all snobs. The rest of the paragraph about legacy in Quebec seems much better, it's true that the public opinion is very mixed about him. Depending on who your are speaking to, it's either the gretest or the worst Quebecker of all times. But it has nothing to do with the media/academic/political establishments. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.203.167.253 (talk) 16:39, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

GA Review

This article has now been on hold beyond the proscribed period without alteration. If someone is willing to address the above concerns within the next five day, I will reconsider its status; otherwise, this article will be failed by default. Nikkimaria (talk) 22:58, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Honours

Here are a few more schools bearing the name of Trudeau not yet included in the Honours section:

École élementaire catholique Pierre-Elliott-Trudeau (Pierre Elliott Trudeau Catholic Elementary School), a francophone school in the Ottawa suburb of Barrhaven opened its doors in September, 2000.

École élémentaire Pierre-Elliott-Trudeau (Pierre Elliot Trudeau Elementary School) a francophone school in Toronto is named in his honour.

Pierre Elliott Trudeau Elementary School in Vancouver is named in his honour.

--Karltodd 06:31, 10 March 2010 (UTC).

Republicanism?

Why is there such a detailed treatment of Trudeau's republicanism or lack thereof, relative to skimpy treatments of - for instance - his theory of the "just society", bilingualism, forming Petro Canada, joining the G7, or his 1979 defeat? Having grown up during the tail end of the Trudeau era I've never gotten the sense that his views on the monarchy were historically important. Christopher Powell (talk) 18:06, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Being against the monarchy doesn't make you a Republican. And a French-Canadian being disrespectful of the British Monarchy certainly does not. Certainly he wasn't going to appear to be in the Queen's pocket while trying to bring the Constitution under Canadian control, and establish Canada's own Rights and Freedoms.

IMHO the entire section is silly. His difficulties with the Monarchy should be put under its own category and the un-cited hearsay comment that Prime Minister Paul Martin was told by Queen Elizabeth that "had little meaning to him" should be removed or at the very least have a source -preferably from the Queen herself. I see no reason to attribute the Queen's words to Paul Martin unless he's being accused of making them up.

Mystic eye (talk) 20:05, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Page name vs. disambiguation page name vs. hatnote

Pierre Elliott Trudeau redirects to Pierre Trudeau, but Pierre Trudeau (disambiguation), redirects to Pierre Elliott Trudeau (disambiguation). At first glance this seems inconsistent, but it does makes some sense: the man is more often referred to without his middle name, but the disambiguation page is about things named after him, and they all use the middle name.

However, it means that the hatnote reads badly:

Template:Other uses2

If the page titles are going to remain as they are, then the hatnote should be changed from an {{otheruses2}} to a {{redirect}}:

As an unregistered user, I can't fix it myself. --208.76.104.144 (talk) 09:16, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Why the prominence given to Lord Moran's assessment of Trudeau?

I wonder why Lord Moran's assessment is given so much prominence. I can see him being given a sentence, but an entire section of the article seems a bit much. Why not replace it with a composite international assessment of Trudeau? After all, Lord Moran only served as High Commissioner to Canada for three years and was furthermore appointed by Margaret Thatcher, who had a very low opinion of Trudeau. -wetcoast —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.183.97.59 (talk) 23:04, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

I concur. It seems distinctly odd. fishhead64 (talk) 07:20, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

I also agree. This is a WP:UNDUE anachronism. Δρ.Κ.  15:12, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Having checked the section, the introduction is also a direct copyvio from the source. Δρ.Κ.  15:17, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

I just removed the whole section. The lengthy quotation was also WP:OR as it did not appear in the L'actualité reference but rather it was chosen from the pdf file from BBC by the editor who added it originally. Highlighting this specific text from the BBC pdf WP:PRIMARY source, without the reference from L'actualité doing so, is original research. In addition to the above issues, other comments by the commissioner, from the same L'actualité reference, such as finding Canadian ministers not very bright and bizarre and that Canadians spend their time praising each other etc. were omitted, thus depriving the reader from the overall context of the commissioner's comments. Δρ.Κ.  15:49, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

RS

• http://ballastmag.com/2012/09/longing-for-a-suave-prime-minister/ This seems RS to me. Regular editors of this article may wish to decide on inclusion.--Canoe1967 (talk) 19:47, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

lots of gossip. Rjensen (talk) 20:22, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Someone may wish to remove it from Barbra Streisand's article then.--Canoe1967 (talk) 20:30, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Or discuss it here. Bus stop (talk) 21:11, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

It was reported in newspapers at the time that they went on dates (e.g. ), just do an advanced search on Google News for the relevant time period. Also I believe it was discussed in John English's biography, and mentioned when Allen Gregg interviewed him. Mathew5000 (talk) 09:38, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

I won't add it at this time. I tried and failed, (site won't take email from Canada), to see if Ms. Streisand would like to expand her statements on it. Journalists that follow her wikipedia article may query her on it for more detail yet.--Canoe1967 (talk) 21:55, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

I don't understand your point. The fact that Trudeau and Streisand dated in 1969-1970 is a matter of historical record, covered in the biography by John English as well as contemporaneous newspapers. Why do you think Streisand should be asked to comment about it today? Whatever she says today would have no bearing on whether the romance is mentioned on Misplaced Pages. Mathew5000 (talk) 00:24, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Height

http://home.ca.inter.net/~grantsky/trudeau.html Middle of paragraph six. Should we include it as many readers may be curious?--Canoe1967 (talk) 19:04, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

First election, no details!!!

So Trudeau took over from Pearson, and called an election on June 25. That section does not say what year that was (I think 1968), nor who the leaders of the other parties (PCs, NDP) were, nor any details at all about the results of that election. That is a major omission of important facts that needs to be corrected.77Mike77 (talk) 02:15, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

I could ask my mother. She was a big fan and Mr. Trudeau married Margaret in my mother's church. She has photos somewhere and is looking. The only photo we have of Margaret is a little lame. I emailed her people for a decent image but haven't heard back yet.--Canoe1967 (talk) 02:58, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Pretty sure it was Robert Stanfield as party leader by that time, Dief had retired, unless maybe Dalton Camp as leader between him and Dief; and I think Ed Broadbent for the NDP, but maybe that was the '72 election; not sure of NDP party history as to who was leader before him. The Creditistes were in that race, Réal Caouette? was the leader still then.Skookum1 (talk) 03:19, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Nope, not Broadbent.....I'd thought maybe David Lewis but he didn't get the leadership 'til '71.....it was still Tommy Douglas for the NDP.Skookum1 (talk) 03:29, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes, it was tommy douglas for the NDP at the time; there isn't that much written on it specifically, but John English deals with it; he is cited here multiple times. There are also some clips on the CBC website which cover the election. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.114.252.236 (talk) 05:49, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Trudeaus studies abroad

There is nothing on this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.138.36.68 (talk) 22:42, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

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Pierre Trudeau family

• Please note that not every person in this table is automatically going to get a Misplaced Pages article just for the fact of being related to Pierre Trudeau, per WP:NOTINHERITED. Only people who can be reliably sourced as having their own independent notability for their own independent accomplishments get Misplaced Pages articles of their own — fleshing out Pierre Trudeau's (or Justin's) genealogy is not a thing that gets a person a Misplaced Pages article if "relative of famous person" is the biggest bestest notability claim you can come up with. Accordingly, this is not a table it's valuable for us to even maintain in the first place — anybody here who isn't already a blue link isn't going to become one just for the fact of being a member of the Trudeau clan. Bearcat (talk) 14:38, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

• Don't fear the redlink. Redlinks are useful. I am restoring the redlink to Charles Trudeau. Geo Swan (talk) 05:16, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

• Redlinks are only useful insofar as the redlinked topic is actually eligible to become a bluelink. A redlink that will always be a redlink, because the topic has no claim of notability that would actually get them over any of Misplaced Pages's inclusion tests, is not a useful or valuable thing for us to maintain. Bearcat (talk) 10:08, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Well, no, redlinks also are very useful in finding other related articles.

Suppose, for the sake of argument, you were interested in reading about Zoë Bedos, Justin's sister-in-law. If the wikilink for Zoe Bedos is left a redlink, after clicking on it, you can access its "what links here" button -- even though the article itself doesn't exist.

What should you find? Incoming links from Justin Trudeau, Alexandre Trudeau and Sophie Gregoire. You might also find incoming links related to her day job, her schooling, her other interests. I googled her, and found her described as "working in the stationary business". So, our reader might find links to articles on stationary, or Canadian business, that have references that could be re-used if and when an article on Ms Bedos is started.

So, really, don't fear the red-link. Geo Swan (talk) 16:45, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

I "fear" nothing. But no article should be started about Zoe Bedos on Misplaced Pages until such time as she satisfies a Misplaced Pages notability rule on the basis of substantive coverage about her in reliable sources, and nothing is gained by maintaining redlinks about people who fail that criterion pending the possibility that they might eventually come to do so. If and when she does, her name can be linked in the appropriate articles once the article exists — but a permanent redlink for a person who as far as we know today will never qualify for a Misplaced Pages article serves absolutely nobody. Bearcat (talk) 23:33, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

I guess there is an off chance that some of the grandchildren will, some day, become WP worthy, but really, I doubt it.... So, they will be redlinked forever. Dbrodbeck (talk) 12:41, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

Edit-warring to add an unflattering image of Trudeau

There has been edit-warring to add an unflattering image of Trudeau instead of the stable one. I find the proposed new image technically inferior and unflattering. It looks as if Trudeau has one finger at his nose disrupting the visual flow of his face. Comments are welcome. Thank you. Dr. K. 07:19, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

The proposed picture definitely looks more austere and flattering. However, the proposed picture has the face at roughly a 3/4 profile and has the finger in the front blocking parts of his face, making it technically inferior and of less encyclopedic value. The current picture, while less serious, is of higher encyclopedic value because it shows the entire face without obstruction.---- Patar knight - /_{contributions} 10:31, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

There is no reason the change the original picture. Dbrodbeck (talk) 12:04, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Edit warring about multiculturalism, economics etc

Today there has been a series of edits that have been reverted by at least three of us, about economics and multiculturalism. I encouraged the user, on his/her talk page , making these edits to discuss them here. Dbrodbeck (talk) 18:54, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Economy and Multiculturalism

Hi Folks, I have been trying to add a section entitled "Economy", which is truthful but frankly unflattering, to Pierre Trudeau. The content is as follows: On the economic front, Trudeau did far more damages to his country than he was willing to recognize. His economic policies were proven disastrous. As an unfortunately consequence of his 15-year ruthless reign, the economy of Canada was at the edge of collapse in 1984, when his liberal government was replaced by the Conservatives. As an illustrative example, the annual inflation rate of Canada increased quickly and steadily from 4.06% when Trudeau took office in 1968 to 10.97% in 1974 and peaked at 12.47% in 1981, a record that has never been neared in Canada's history ever since. Likewise, the annual unemployment rate of Canada was around 4% when Pierre took office in 1968. This number doubled up to 8% in 1978 and peaked at 12% in 1982. The highest monthly unemployment rate of 13.1% was also inked into Canadian history by Pierre Trudeau in December 1982.

However, despite of all my labors, the edits were always reverted without explanation. http://www.inflation.eu/inflation-rates/canada/historic-inflation/cpi-inflation-canada.aspx http://www.davemanuel.com/historical-unemployment-rates-in-canada.php

Well, if you think my descriptions are not factual, let's talk.

Thank you for coming to the talk page. Neither of those references mention PM Trudeau. You are engaging in WP:OR. The reverts of your edits were explained in the edit summaries and you can see that if you look at the history of the edits to the page. Misplaced Pages has a number of policies, you should check them out. A welcome message was left on your talk page, it is full of useful links. Dbrodbeck (talk) 19:54, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

As you can see, I am new to Wikimedia and still on the learning curve. I was adding some critical opinions based on statistical data extracted from the cited sources. Well, if you say it is against the policies of Misplaced Pages then it is against the policies. I will reword it and have a try later.

Your interpretation of data, or mine, is irrelevant, it is WP:OR. That is what you are doing with this edit . Please revert it. Dbrodbeck (talk) 20:40, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

• Perhaps best that edits are proposed here first before a block is issued. No harm is proposals.-- Moxy (talk) 20:48, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

How the following is not neutal? It is a mere summary of economic data!

It is worth noting that the annual inflation rate of Canada was 4.06% when Trudeau took the office in 1968 but ended up to be 10.97% in 1974 and further increased in his late terms to a historical record of 12.47% in 1982. Likewise, the unemployment of Canada was less than 4% in 1968 but quickly increased to approximately 7.8% in 1974 and climbed further to peak at 13.1% in the December of 1982 in his last term.

The sources do not mention Trudeau. You are interpreting data, we don't do that. We rely on WP:SECONDARY sources to do that. Your edit is akin to saying 'It is also worth noting that when Trudeau took power in 1968 the Toronto Maple Leafs were the Stanley Cup champions. After that Toronto never won again and Montreal won 6 Cups.' Dbrodbeck (talk) 20:55, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

I agree with Dbrodbeck. Collecting data from WP:PRIMARYSOURCES and presenting it with your own comments and interpretation is synthesis and original research. Dr. K. 21:00, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

• I see the point trying to be made here. So yes we have sources...What should be asked here is a publication like Bob Plamondon. The Truth about Trudeau. eBookIt.com. ISBN 978-1-4566-1671-7. a good source.....i will differ to @Rjensen: on the sources.--Moxy (talk) 21:07, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
• It would certainly be possible to write neutral and properly sourced content about Trudeau's economic policies — they have been a subject of analysis by credible and trustworthy economists. However, it's not our place to publish opinion commentary or original research, which is what the text that we're actually looking at is: it's sourced simply to tables of economic statistics, infers an analysis of those statistics not explicitly stated in the sources themselves, and completely elides any possibility of there having been any alternative explanation to "Trudeau = disastrous" for the statistics in question. The period in question, for starters, was one in which the entire world was in an economic crisis not altogether dissimilar from what we're seeing now — the United States also suffered record inflation and high unemployment in the same period despite having been governed mostly by Republican presidents during that time, so it's far from clear that any economic policy Trudeau could possibly have pursued would have singlehandedly prevented Canada from being affected by the worldwide situation. Any analysis of his economic policy in fact needs to be much more nuanced than what the OP is putting forward: no, it wasn't all good by any stretch of the imagination, but it wasn't all monolithically bad either. There is, in fact, a very real case to be made that things would have been even worse had he pursued a much different economic policy than he did — excessive austerity in a time of crisis runs a very real risk of feeding on itself and turning you into Greece — so we need to present both sides of the story, not just one ideologically-slanted version of it. Bearcat (talk) 21:48, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
  • I would also suggest that we should not use loaded terms like ruthless.--174.91.184.47 (talk) 05:08, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

One basic problem is the highly politicized assumption that "Trudeau did far more damage" -- businesses raise prices and he gets the blame? Business lays off workers and he gets the blame? that's low-grade POV and shows an attitude we don't tolerate: using Misplaced Pages to score attacks on "ruthless" politicians we don't like. Rjensen (talk) 16:54, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

References

1. Media, Triami. "Historic inflation Canada – historic CPI inflation Canada". www.inflation.eu. Retrieved 2016-01-23.
2. "Historical Unemployment Rates in Canada". DaveManuel.com. Retrieved 2016-01-23.

While some of your arguments make one wonder how neutral you guys really are on this topic, I do agree that my revised statement was mainly based on "primary sources" instead of "secondary sources" and Misplaced Pages does have a point in favoring the latter. No worries, I will put this Trudeau thing aside for the time being.

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