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Map standards

Pbfreespace3 You've done a great job by creating this map but adding Syria to it is a step too far, the map doesn't support it and this is the Turkish Insurgency map and not the Middle east insurgency map (although there is a seperate module which includes all maps from the middle east into one map. ) So i think we should stick to turkish locations.

Also we should set a standard for village sizes like i did with the Libyan civil war map Module:Libyan_Civil_War_detailed_map and i think we should add all big cities / important airbases first. How do you think about that? Spenk01 (talk) 01:17, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Spenk01 Here's what I could do. I could drop all villages in Syria except those important ones on the border. For example these: Kobani, Serekaniye, Qamishli, etc. Actually no, I'll only do that if YPG and Turkey come into direct conflict. Whatever. I have a standard for village sizes in my brain. It should roughly correspond to actual geographical size in my opinion, as this is the most encyclopedic method of depicting villages. I use Google Earth and superimpose the image on top of the satellite map. I will remove Syrian villages now. Pbfreespace3 (talk) 01:21, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

• Comment - i have a problem with the utilized colors (red and yellow). Considering that this conflict further evolves, we cannot use red for Turkey, because red is already utilized for Assad government in neighbouring Syria, which is practically in limited conflict with Turkey. Turkey is actually more supportive of the Islamist Syrian rebels, who have a green color. Therefore Turkey, should perhaps be dark green. Furthermore, PKK needs a different yellow shade, to distinguish it from PYD areas in Syria and from Iraqi Kurdistan.GreyShark (dibra) 20:49, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Pbfreespace3 thanks for your efforts on the coloring issue.GreyShark (dibra) 10:13, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Silvan and reliable sources

So the problem is that Turkish sources do not report about Kurdish cities/towns/villages being 'liberated', so it is difficult to verify reliable sources, but I guess HDP (people) is one of those reliable sources. HDP parliamentarian Ziya Pir has announced that Turkish forces have retreated from Silvan. --Ahmetyal (talk) 17:37, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Here is the source itself . --Ahmetyal (talk) 17:40, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Thank you i adjusted it, please stick around and help us keep up this map. Spenk01 (talk) 22:27, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Here's an english article about the attack on Silvan/Farqîn --Ahmetyal (talk) 10:02, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Adding cities

I'm going to add Kurdish cities with greater than 7,000 population and Turkish cities with something like 500,000. Guess I'll have to figure out how to use this module thing. --Monochrome_Monitor 01:39, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

It's not all that hard. I fact, I think you already know how to use it, since you've added towns. Just ask me if you need help. Please try to adjust city sizes based on actual geographical size. Pbfreespace3 (talk) 16:18, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Crap. I thought it was based on population size. --Monochrome_Monitor 01:33, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

"Kurdish-held"

How do we define it? Just the PKK or also the DBP? on DBP held cities --Monochrome_Monitor 02:59, 23 August 2015 (UTC) I'm assuming it's just kurdish held places that have declared autonomy from Turkey, no? --Monochrome_Monitor 03:00, 23 August 2015 (UTC) Cause a bunch of towns are declaring self-governance. I'll try to find them. --Monochrome_Monitor 03:05, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

What to do about the big cities

Istanbul's Gazi neighborhood reportedly declared autonomy, but Istanbul is WAY too big to use a split-color icon. So we'll need to make maps like for major cities in Syria. I also think it would be worthwhile doing this for Batman and Van. --Monochrome_Monitor 03:53, 23 August 2015 (UTC) Pbfreespace3 I'm considering uploading a submap. What tools are used for this? Wikimapia? --Monochrome_Monitor 13:57, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

It looks to me like Wikimapia covered in GIMP. --Monochrome_Monitor 14:06, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Monochrome Monitor, We can do a map, but its entirely up to you to make it. The far easier and better solution is to add a small dot *inside* Istanbul to indicate Gezi. Maybe yellow or some other color to indicate leftists. I will do so shortly. Pbfreespace3 (talk) 15:22, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

I'm actually going to need a source for the declaration of autonomy. I can't find any, and we're not going to mark it as contested until a source is provided. 2601:C7:8303:22DC:1DB4:BFDC:1999:782E (talk) 15:44, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Here's the source

I'll need to make a map. There are entire districts of provinces which have declared autonomy, it's way more specific.

Ugh, Wikimapia doesn't have the districts of Turkey so I'll have to find an image or Gimp it. --Monochrome_Monitor 01:03, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Istanbul split in 3 parts isnt the best solution for this problem. I guess making a map for Istanbul (like with damascus) would be worth it even though i have no idea how a map like this is made, i would do it if i knew how.Spenk01 (talk) 00:41, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

And Other Thing

I feel like this title isn't quite fitting. Maybe it will be later, but none of the Kurdish places are really "insurgencies", which implies A: lack of legitimacy and often B: violence. They peacefully declared autonomy. --Monochrome_Monitor 14:09, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Monochrome Monitor, I am the one who called it the Turkish insurgency detailed map. The reason why I did this is because the PKK is generally recognized as an insurgency. I think "civil war" would be a little too much, so insurgency is better, since it is only located in about one third or one fourth of the country. While different groups recognize the PKK differently, and some districts have declared regional autonomy, I still think insurgency is the best name choice. Pbfreespace3 (talk) 15:25, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Sur district

How exactly should I put this on the map (the dot overlaps with Sur city)? --Monochrome_Monitor 03:02, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Crap I'm an idiot. It's not the whole sur district, just the city. Weird ambiguous wording. I guess the city is a district of the bigger city rather than the district of the province. What a waste of GIMP. --Monochrome_Monitor 03:26, 24 August 2015 (UTC) It's so freakin hard to tell when they mean the province or the city, cause the province is often named after the city. In the case of Diyabakir Sur is both a district of diyabakir province and a district of diyabakir city. --Monochrome_Monitor 03:49, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Color Sheme

I feel like we usually use reddish colors for government. Green seems too Syrian Rebel. Maybe mauve? --Monochrome_Monitor 04:07, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Diplomatic relations are more important than declaring 'red is for govermnent'. With your argument we should put kurds on green too because they are eventually rebels right? Besides It's also easier to see who supports who if you combine all maps: https://en.wikipedia.org/Template:Syrian,_Iraqi_and_Lebanon_Conflicts_detailed_map Great work on the map though! Spenk01 (talk) 00:35, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

News

Apparently declaring autonomy is a crime.

I can't get the damn template to update, but here's an awesome map. It's in french but fairly easy to understand through cognates. It shows active fighting and places that have declared autonomy. Both should be on this map-pkk/HGP controlled and kurdish autonomous.--Monochrome_Monitor 06:47, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Update

I'm going to focus on North Kurdistan (putting all the districts on, and all the populated towns listed on wikipedia) with a few exceptions—the PKK targets oil pipelines for sabotage, and they do it quite a bit. We should really have a map of natural gas/oil pipelines on here. And if anyone finds it, it would be nice to put the PKK's mountain bases (rural settlements) on here too. --Monochrome_Monitor!~

Respective wikipedia page

Is there a wikipedia page that corresponds to this? A conflict is definitely underway. Over 70 Turkish security personnel have been killed. --Monochrome_Monitor 12:48, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Syria

Apparently Syria used to be a part of this module but was removed. Why? The PKK has a presence in Syria and showing Syria gives more regional context. --Monochrome_Monitor 12:59, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

The map is supposed to show the conflict relevant to Turkey, and not Syria.Prohibited Area (talk) 17:03, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Iraq should be included definitely, considering the PKK has a presence there which has been targeted by Turkish airstrikes. Regardless, care to explain your recent vandalism? --Monochrome_Monitor 23:32, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

May I remind you that on English Misplaced Pages Vandalism has a very specific meaning. POV pushing or acting out of own biases would not be an example of that. Misunderstanding this has led to several users believing they have a 1RR exception when they haven't and getting blocks. Banak (talk) 23:55, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

I think deleting every dot of Kurdish control counts as vandalism. --Monochrome_Monitor 01:24, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

But I may be wrong. --Monochrome_Monitor 01:27, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Monochrome What vandalism are you talking about?Prohibited Area (talk) 17:23, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

İrrevelant

There is no such "liberated zones" in Turkey right now. Only some clashes with police at some points,and attacks at outskits. İn cities shown as "held by Pkk" still Turkish flag waves and Turkish police, soldiers present. Those declarations of autonomy are only nominal, they are not really helding cities. Sources of this map aren't reliable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.175.107.106 (talk • contribs) 16:58, 4 October 2015 UTC

From the capital I over irrelevant I presume you're Turkish, yes? :) You're right in some regards. Declaring autonomy is different than full control. However, in many of the places Kurds do have de facto control, enough to prevent Turkish security forces from entering. The conflict is still evolving, and right now an "insurgency" is not the best word for it. But it's certainly significant to have a map of places where Kurds have declared/exercise autonomy. Perhaps we could distinguish on the map between the two? What this map should include is the locations of clashes/turkish airstrikes/ PKK bases/ destroyed oil pipelines etc, as all are relevant to the conflict. --Monochrome_Monitor 23:08, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

To do

Unfortunately this page's creator was banned indefinitely, but I'm hoping recent increased coverage may translate to more contributors. Anyway, here's what should be on the template, in loose order of general priority.

• districts in kurdish areas of turkey, mostly done
• military bases, naval bases, air bases, first in kurdish areas
• PKK strongholds ("rural areas"), I have no idea how to get the coordinates but they managed to do it for Syria
• strategic hills! important considering terrain/mountain warfare
• economic/politcal targets like oil pipelines (and dams), considering the PKK's affinity for sabotage.
• every populated place noted in "list of populated places in ___ province", obviously in kurdish areas.
• major industrial complexes

In fact, every country should have one of these, not just those in war time --Monochrome_Monitor 15:07, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Do the PKK even control any areas, they have a presence in some cities however whenever they declare control the Turks just place the area under curfew and flush them out? Most of the cities on the map that are shown as Kurdish-held in fact are firmly held by Turkey such as Dersim, Nusaybin etc. I think we should only show a locations as PKK held if a source can specifically show that PKK holds unilateral control over the location and that the state is not present. Otherwise these locations should be indicated by mixed control or by conflicting control.Prohibited Area (talk) 17:23, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

But it's not just the PKK, it's Kurds. Kurds can have de facto control by being the majority declaring autonomy even without the PKK, in fact most districts who declared autonomy were that other

Kurdish party that won 10% in the polls a while ago. --Monochrome_Monitor 18:32, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

This is getting out of hand

This was never supposed to be a kurdish propaganda map. It was supposed to reflect places that have declared autonomy and places controlled by the PKK. Not places where there is intermittent clashing. I wish there were a way to reflect this somehow in the title or distinguish between pkk/military autonomy and legal/administrative autonomy on the template. --Monochrome_Monitor 18:00, 20 December 2015 (UTC) I was worried about this becoming anti-kurdish propaganda with the vandalism but any sort of npov violation is bad. --Monochrome_Monitor 01:54, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

If you don't want this premature insurgence map to turn into a brazen Kurdish nationalist propaganda, here are a couple of things you can do:

1. The "Kurds" are an ethnic group, not a political faction. The conflict in question here is between the Turkish security forces (military and police) and the PKK.

2. PKK does not even claim to be in control of any district (ilçe in Turkish), never mind actually controlling it. So there mustn't be any yellow dots in the map.

3. PKK declared some sort of autonomy, or self-government (özyönetim in Turkish per their own terminology) in certain districts. These are the urban locations where the Turkish security forces and PKK clash. These can be labeled as "contested" in the map until the clashes end.

In short, the map should be full of "government-controlled" dots, except for "contested" districts I mentioned. No PKK dots, no "stable mixed-controlled" dots, no truce dots. --Mttll (talk) 05:51, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

No, that's not true. The "Kurds" are an political faction and factor in middle east. Look at the Syrian and Iraqi civil wars.

Conflicts here is between the Turkish state and the Kurds. Also PKK, HPG, KCK, YDG-H, YPS are all Kurdish organizations. Generally conflicts is known as between Turkey and Kurds in World. Bruskom 09:55, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Look up "Kurd" in any English dictionary and you will see the word describes an ethnic group, not a political faction. As for PKK, HPG etc., they are all affiliated organizations, just as the Turkish land forces, the Turkish special forces, the Turkish gendarmerie and the Turkish police are all organs of the Turkish state. --Mttll (talk) 11:23, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

 Comment: In this issue Mttll is right. Labelling one side as "Kurds" and the other as "Government" aint fair or balanced. What would be logic is either called them "Kurds" & "Turks" or "Government" & "PKK/YPS, etc...".--HCPUNXKID 14:42, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

City icons

Why city icons is so large ? Can we change the size of cities as small icon? Bruskom 08:53, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Do you mean districts? Ideally the size should be a reflection of population and area. For places like Ankara I simply looked at its boundary on openstreetmap and replicated its size from an aerial view. For most other places I used population. --Monochrome_Monitor 18:50, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

File:Turkey location map.svg

Hello, Who can make a Turkey location map for Turkish Insurgency ? Like Syria location map. But this does not seem to map rivers in Turkey. Anyone interested in creating a location map for the Turkish insurgency in Turkey? Personally I do not know how to create such a location map and hence I am asking if any other editors would be happy to create one? Who can add to this rivers map? for example, the Tigris and Euphrates rivers. And rivers in neighboring countries. For example, Iraq, Syria, Iran, Armenia, Russia, Bulgaria and Greece. The background color of the provinces on the map should be a little darker, a little white color .. .. And the borders of the provinces should be slightly thicker than black. Bruskom 14:36, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Someone made a version of the map pretty much exactly like that, but it got reverted because it broke templates. What I'll do is upload it as a different file. --Monochrome_Monitor 03:53, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

Now how the f*ck do I download an SVG file? --Monochrome_Monitor 04:13, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

Have no fear, I figured it out. I downloaded that guy's ("The Emmir")'s map and I'm editing it a teeny bit, just taking out rivers in countries bordering turkey that don't run into turkey because they are kind of distracting. I'll screenshot it when I think it's good and upload it on some generic image sharing site so you can tell me what you think. Really right now the question is how many rivers should be on it. @Bruskom: --Monochrome_Monitor 04:51, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for helping. Generally familiar and most big rivers should be add to map. Only the Tigris and Euphrates rivers. And lakes and rivers in neighboring countries. The colors of the provinces should be corrected. It is must be the same as the Syria location map. Bruskom 06:21, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

To update: I've transferred rivers from iraq and syria, now working on iran. --Monochrome_Monitor 18:06, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

Well, I give up. I can't get my version to scale and position precisely like the current one, so if i upload it as a new version it will be off. If you like I can send you the results, but this is really way above my line of duty. --Monochrome_Monitor 22:53, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

Improvements

This map needs improving alot. Pro-PKK forces control only parts of districts in Diyarbakir, Hakkari and Cizre where fighting is ongoing so only those areas should be represented as contested areas and there should be no PKK/"Kurdish" controlled areas (especially in Istanbul) because even though they declared autonomy the people who did have mostly been arrested (sources: ). Also since this is a map of the Turkish Insurgency there should be information on ISIS forces and Maoists. --FPSTurkey (talk) 12:21, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

I haven't really been paying attention to colors because my primary focus has been getting shit on the map in the first place. I should probably get back to that by the way. Anyway, I think you're right about some points. Please link any sources you think are relevant. Also, I have no idea where ISIS is in Turkey. Sources for that would be appreciated as well. --Monochrome_Monitor 02:44, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

IS and Maoists hold no territory in Turkey, not even rural areas. They have a presence, but not one you could mark in a specific area, because that indicates control. PutItOnAMap (talk) 17:55, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

As for the other areas 'held' by the Kurds, they are either places that have declared autonomy and not seen crackdowns from the Turkish government since then, or places where the PKK has launched attacks since and forced curfews to be put into place. When the curfews are lifted, these places are no longer marked as contested. PutItOnAMap (talk) 17:59, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Cizre

100% Turkish victory!

http://www.trtturk.com/haber/cizrede-operasyonlar-basariyla-sona-erdi-175665.html

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