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*In fairness, I did direct them here when they raideda request at ARCA, so some mercy might be justified. ] <sup>'']''</sup> 16:12, 20 February 2016 (UTC) | *In fairness, I did direct them here when they raideda request at ARCA, so some mercy might be justified. ] <sup>'']''</sup> 16:12, 20 February 2016 (UTC) | ||
:*OK, if Hijiri88 was told to file here, then we shouldn't sanction him. But we could warn Hijiri88 not to file at any admin boards about a topic he is banned from. There is a separate question of what to do about Catflap08's edits. We might be reluctant to sanction him due to an inappropriate report, but it appears at the Teahouse, even after an admin told him in the same thread that it was inappropriate, and after he knew an AE was in progress. So I'd go with a one-week block of Catflap08. ] (]) 16:34, 20 February 2016 (UTC) | :*OK, if Hijiri88 was told to file here, then we shouldn't sanction him. But we could warn Hijiri88 not to file at any admin boards about a topic he is banned from. There is a separate question of what to do about Catflap08's edits. We might be reluctant to sanction him due to an inappropriate report, but it appears at the Teahouse, even after an admin told him in the same thread that it was inappropriate, and after he knew an AE was in progress. So I'd go with a one-week block of Catflap08. ] (]) 16:34, 20 February 2016 (UTC) | ||
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Catflap08
Catflap08 blocked for a week for breaching their topic ban. Hijiri88 reminded that reporting TBAN vios is a breach of their IBAN and instructed to stop following Catflap's edits. Spartaz 13:08, 21 February 2016 (UTC) |
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Catflap08
Not applicable
The demonstrably false claim to having "retired" (his fifth or sixth in the last year) and continuing to accuse other users of "white-washing" without providing evidence are also concerning, but don't need to be dealt with because the posts themselves were clear-cut TBAN-violations and merit blocks.
Discussion concerning Catflap08Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by Catflap08I am quite unsure if I should laugh or cry … maybe both. I asked this ] which was moved to EAR and I was told in an email by what seems an admin to either seek the talk page (which due to the ban I refrain from doing) or turn to the Tea House. So asking questions about an edit is a violation of the TBAN???? This gets better every time. So let me get this right. I am not allowed to edit issues on Nichiren Buddhism. Fair enough. I do see an edit which in my eyes is highly problematic, I then go on asking on how to proceed, making clear that sanctions were imposed and I am advised to turn to the talk page (or Tea House) and THIS may be seen as violation a ban in itself??? Me making clear in my request that due to a ban I am asking for advice on how to proceed?? Maybe I should have made an edit, or a request, as a sock or unregistered user instead then?? So if I am prohibited to ask questions please let me know. Furthermore I do have the inkling I am watched closer by a certain individual than I would have thought. --Catflap08 (talk) 19:43, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
May I add that in the very start of discussion nearly two years ago a person threatened me to get me blocked? That person has succeeded in doing so even though inflicted with a ban himself now. That very person now brings up all this as a result of me asking a question on how to report an issue that worries me as I find that bad faith edits have taken place. Bad faith edits on a subject that I care about, a subject that I was told to have had an impartial input, a subject that is on the fringe and now yet again being invaded by adherents of a “cult”. I stayed clear form editing the lemma on the cult in question in general – and sought to add references as much as I could, references published, references that appear to be reliable on the subject that I have been banned from. And let me be clear that I do not suspect that person to be a member of that cult. This person in my books seems to have severe mental issues for this is HOUNDING. Go ahead and get me blocked from whatever, I walk away from all this, keeping in mind that I worked on a contentious subject anyway and that advocates of a certain cult get their way in the long run. I was threatened elsewhere on the internet for hinting at published information with legal action. The person who started all this, most probably unaware of doing so, has made himself an accomplice of that cult. Well done you all. --Catflap08 (talk) 17:36, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
Statement by IvanvectorJust pointing out that Catflap08 and Hijiri88 are subject to a two-way interaction ban. I think this report meets the WP:BANEX conditions, but thought it should be noted. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 14:29, 19 February 2016 (UTC) Statement by Looie496Both editors are in violation. Catflap08 is clearly in violation of the topic ban, and pretty clearly did not understand its scope. Hijiri88 violates both Arbcom-imposed topic bans by filing this report, and also violates the interaction ban with Catflap08 (which however is not an Arbitration ban). This report does not fall within the scope of BANEX, since Catflap08's actions, although violations, do not have any impact on anything Hijiri88 is permitted to edit. Looie496 (talk) 16:45, 19 February 2016 (UTC) Statement by AlbinoFerretIt appears that Looie496 is 100% correct. I took part in this Arbcom as an uninvolved party. Hijiri88 is himself subject to the same ban as Catflap08. Reporting a violation in the topic area of another editor is a topic ban violation. As it doesnt impact Hijiri88 in any way because he is topic banned in the area. BANEX provides no excuse for the report here in an area Hijiri88 is banned from, and so it violates the topic ban. What is even more troubling, is that after dozens of noticeboard sections, an IBAN and an Arbcom case Hijiri88 is still watching and yes hounding Catflap08, watching their every move in order to pounce. While Catflap08 has violated the topic ban and should receive some sanction, Hijiri88's behaviour in this shows that he still doesnt get it and a stronger sanction should be given to him. AlbinoFerret 21:35, 19 February 2016 (UTC) Hijiri88, I seek no IBAN with anyone, this page is open to community members. My commenting on this section is not some dark plan to find you, I have replied to quite a few sections here in the last few months that had nothing to do with you. I dont even edit in the topic, and have not edited any articles you have edited. But will go into greater detail. Hijiri88 is under the same Topic ban as Catflap08. This includes all noticeboard sections dealing with the topic. Starting a noticeboard section dealing with edits in the topic is a Topic ban violation. The exceptions are found in WP:BANX, none cover edits that the editor is not involved in. This is not vandalism, a violation of the IBAN between Hijiri88 and Catflap08, a clarification of the scope of his ban, or an appeal of his ban. The main issue in this whole disaster of noticeboard sections, Arbcom, and now here is these two editors just cant get along, nor leave each other alone. Its endless. While Arbcom didnt place the IBAN, they acknowledged it in the final decision. There may be a excuse for the IBAN violation, I am not really convinced there is as Hijiri88 didnt come across this during normal editing, he couldnt have, he is topic banned. The only way to find them is following an editor he has an IBAN with. But there is no excuse for the topic ban violation of starting a section here dealing with edits in a topic he is banned from. AlbinoFerret 04:56, 20 February 2016 (UTC) @Thryduulf I think that warnings have already been issued. Numerous sections on other noticeboards failed to stop any of this ongoing problem, thats why it went to arbcom. I want to point out that Dennis Brown gave a more or less final warning to Hijiri88 here . That says "If either editor pushes the boundaries of incivility, bludgeons a discussion, violates WP:IDHT, acts in a disruptive manner on any talk page, or breaching any other policy that makes editing miserable for other editors, then either myself or another admin should simply block for a minimum of 72 hours, with rapidly escalating blocks. It doesn't matter if there is another party that is equally guilty.". I think that covers starting a noticeboard section about another editor on a topic he is banned from, where the only way he has the knowledge of the edits is following an editor with whom he has an IBAN with. AlbinoFerret 13:53, 20 February 2016 (UTC) @EdJonston But no one to my knowledge told Hijiri88 to start the ARCA section that is basically the same, and deals with the same edits. If the AE is excused because he was told to come here, that excuse does not apply to ARCA. AlbinoFerret 19:14, 20 February 2016 (UTC) Statement by KingsindianThis is a pretty simple TBAN violation, so that part is easy. Regarding Hijiri88, it was not a good idea for them to file this complaint. Let's forget the language of BANEX for a moment, which anyway does not accept this exception. Let's look at the spirit of the IBAN and TBAN. The idea was for the two users to avoid each other and avoid the topic area. This request clearly violates the spirit. As to Hijiri's worry about "setting a precedent", that is unfounded. Just because a particular "crime" is unreported and unpunished in a particular instance does not make it ok in the future. That said, I do not support any sanctions against Hijiri88, just an advice to them to leave this alone. Kingsindian ♝ ♚ 09:33, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
Statement by L235Thought I should mention here that I've now archived the ARCA filing about this. For the Committee – Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 16:56, 20 February 2016 (UTC) Statement by Cullen328
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Athenean
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Request concerning Athenean
- User who is submitting this request for enforcement
- CometEncke (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 10:12, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
- User against whom enforcement is requested
- Athenean (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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- February 19, 2016 I find it concerning that the user reacted so strongly to getting the DS template. The user has been involved in many discussions on this noticeboard and surely knows that the DS complaint itself is a notification, not an accusation. Yet after receiving the notification, the user apparently took the time to investigate my edit history, then post a question on my talk page which the reader could easily take as asking whether or not I am a sock. Surely the purpose of notification is simply informational and was designed by Arbcom to prevent users from being unknowingly swept up in this system. It degrades the system if the mere act of giving a notification is cause for such a reaction. The user continued the same line of attack here .
- February 19, 2016 And then there was this. NOT FROM Athenean, but certainly weird. I put a template on one user's page, and I get similar notes on my talk page from TWO users? I have no explanation for that. Does anyone?
- February 10, 2016 WP:NPA violation attacking User:Volunteer Marek. Part of what led to my placing the template in the first place.
- February 10, 2016 A second WP:NPA violation attacking User: Volunteer Marek
- February 16, 2016 A third WP:NPA violation, this time attacking User: my very best wishes.
- February 16, 2016 A fourth WP:NPA violation, again attacking User: my very best wishes. All four attacks were placed by the as-yet-untemplated, and therefore theoretically possibly-unaware, Athenean. BUT see this February 16 post by User:Athenean, which certainly suggests awareness. February 16, 2016
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- Gave an alert about discretionary sanctions in the area of conflict in the last twelve months, on Date
- Participated in an arbitration request or enforcement procedure about the area of conflict in the last twelve months, on October 17, 2015January 4, 2016 The discussions in question could fall under Balkans or Eastern Europe, or in one case possibly Macedonia, all of which are subject to sanctions. So I don't know if this constitutes awareness or not.
- Successfully appealed all their own sanctions relating to the area of conflict in the last twelve months, on Date.
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- The atmosphere on the Putin article as a whole is TERRIBLE.
In addition to the personal attacks themselves, I believe the failure to strike them upon explicit request should be an issue. User:Volunteer Marek explicitly asked User:Athenean to strike his personal attacks . Yet they are still present on the talk page. Additionally, User:Athenean has continued to edit both the talk page and article after Marek and I requested that he strike the attacks , and even after receiving the template, and I seconded Marek's request. However, he has not struck them.
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Discussion concerning Athenean
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Statement by Athenean
Statement by Hijiri88
You are supposed to specifically link the restriction that was violated, not just the ArbCom case page. Scrolling down, I don't see any restriction or remedy being placed on Athenean during the case. Are you asking for the decision to be amended to place some form of restriction on him/her? Because I'm pretty sure this is not the place for that. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 12:02, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
- And of the four "personal attacks", I see what might kinda-sorta be interpreted as borderline AGF-violations (depending on the background, which has not been explained, so we need to assume good faith on Athenean's part), and the only thing even approaching a "personal attack" is the phrase "talkpage trolling", but that seems like a fairly accurate, if inflammatory, description of what the OP has been doing on Athenean's talk page. Using a template once to notify a user of discretionary sanctions is acceptable, but edit-warring to keep the template on their page is extremely disruptive. What exactly is the problem here? Am I missing something? Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 12:13, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
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Result concerning Athenean
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- CometEncke I don't believe you are a new user. Please can you disclose your previous accounts and whether those accounts are subject to any blocks, restrictions or sanctions? Thanks. Please note that by inserting yourself into controversial areas you are not permitted to benefit from privacy under clean start. Spartaz 12:38, 21 February 2016 (UTC)