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Vandalism - Komati Caste

Hi Kautilya,

References have been given to every sentence in-spite of this how can you delete the article?

Is this what you want to do with Misplaced Pages a great source of information when references are also given.

Is it fair that you haven't even gone through the references cited and just remove or vandalise a page and just keep couple sentences as the article. Is this the way to go about it?

Let's discuss before you want to revert it. OK.

Reg,

Wise Wik — Preceding unsigned comment added by WiseWik (talk • contribs) 13:04, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, it was inadvertant. The rollback button picked up all the edits you had done in sequence. Nevertheless, there are problems with almost all your edits. Please continue the discussion on the article talk page. - Kautilya3 (talk) 14:50, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Kautilya, the edits to the article is as per the reference cited and have given comments for every edit mentioning the same. Request you to please check them before removing the edits. As per the edits I have only reinstated what is mentioned as per the references cited. Why is the same being reverted would this not be called edit warring? and rather the privileges of such editors be revoked here? And again why is sourced content being modified here. I have clearly mentioned the reference as well as the reason for the edit in the edit summary for all my edits under the heading "Edit Summary". The reference cites Komatis to be present in Maharashtra and will repaste the same reference that you yourself have sourced and cited (BTW looks deliberate as there is inclusion of minor incidents that reference to riots and other inciteful content between communities which serve no informative purpose here) To further reason, why should any incident involving another community that occurred during the British Era in a particular time limited to George Town which is nothing but a nook and corner incident, even find mention here? and again I have only included only the sourced content from the same reference provided then why is it removed and pasted in bits? as if to incite people or communities further? I checked further and found these to be included by user Kautilya and is of surprise to me here as I didn't expect this from Misplaced Pages editors as I held user Kautilya in good esteem.

Again it clearly mentions riots happened when business contracts alluded Komatis and Balijia Naidus who were first to riot with Beri Chettiars which forced the British to apportion commercial and residential areas of George Town.

My edit cites the same here below is the reference" https://books.google.co.in/books?id=imh4AgAAQBAJ&pg=PT142&lpg=PT142&dq=komati+caste&source=bl&ots=UPEt8nWzsh&sig=dLRi4_vSSASbrRCjU_mZ3_EZoEY&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwialpWjjIHLAhUGcI4KHRXAAFA4ChDoAQg_MAc#v=onepage&q=komati&f=false"

Mines, Mattison (1992), "Individuality and Achievement in South Indian Social History", Modern Asian Studies 26 (1): 129–156, JSTOR 312720

Also finally let's not discredit the origins of Gomathi for the alternate origins mentioned by authors during British times and exclude the importance of contemporary authors and keep both of them. Mentioning Gomathi as "one theory" seems to discredit the same, hence I have mentioned both the accepted and alternate theory about British authors during the Raj. I also checked further information and also found that the Author is from the same community and hence it's of obvious credence. Also the same that the word Komati to have its origins in Gomathi is mentioned in government journals which cannot be rubbished away.

Regards,

--WiseWik (talk) 18:11, 18 February 2016 (UTC)WiseWik — Preceding unsigned comment added by WiseWik (talk • contribs)

India will be gone in 50 years

India will be gone in 50 yearsVictoriaGrayson 18:11, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

You think it will last that long? - Kautilya3 (talk) 22:36, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

@VictoriaGrayson: & Kautilya, Why is this pessimism? This NATION is living on for more than 5000 years.

1) "In a world in which ancient Greece, Egypt, and Rome have all vanished without trace
Our own attributes (name and sign) live on today.

There is something about our existence for it doesn't get wiped
Even though, for centuries, the time-cycle of the world has been our enemy."

(Yūnān o-Miṣr o-Rūmā, sab miṭ ga'e jahāṉ se
Ab tak magar hai bāqī, nām o-nis̱ẖaṉ hamārā

Kuch bāt hai kih hastī, miṭtī nahīṉ hamārī
Ṣadiyoṉ rahā hai dus̱ẖman daur-i zamāṉ hamārā)

2) Tagore-

I pronounced the victory in Jana Gana Mana of that Bhagya Vidhata (God of Destiny) of India who has from age after age held steadfast the reins of India's chariot through rise and fall, through the straight path and the curved.

3) Nehru-

"India is a geographical and economic entity, a cultural unity amidst diversity, a bundle of contradictions held together by strong but invisible threads. About her there is the elusive quality of a legend of long ago; some enchantment seems to have held her mind. She is a myth and an idea, a dream and a vision, and yet very real and present and pervasive."

4) Swami Vivekananda-

" I see in my mind's eye the future perfect India rising out of this chaos and strife, glorious and invincible."

I am an eternal optimist. Our country is eternally secured.Ghatus (talk) 11:04, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Ghatus, if you understand mathematics a little bit, you would know the idea of "exponential growth," where roughly speaking things double every few years. When you have processes that grow exponentially, the past is a poor indicator of the future. The American public thinks global warming is a myth because they see the past as a predictor of the future. But we produce enough green house gases in 5 years (say) as we did in the entire history of the planet. In India, similarly, there is a reluctance to understand the exponential growth of Hindu nationalism. "We have been ok, so we will be ok." Mathematics says that is false reasoning. We produce as many fanatics in 5 years (say) as we did in the entire history. Nobody knows what will happen. - Kautilya3 (talk) 12:02, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

The problem is Islam, not Hindu nationalism.VictoriaGrayson 14:41, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Same difference! - Kautilya3 (talk) 15:04, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

@Ghatus:, read Breaking India by Rajiv Malhotra.VictoriaGrayson 16:21, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Talking about Islam, how come nobody has bothered to create a decent page on Jaish-e-Mohammed, the supposed equivalent of Al Qaeda? - Kautilya3 (talk) 23:55, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

All global Sunni terrorism is 1 network. Osama bin Laden was living in Pakistan for example.VictoriaGrayson 00:20, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

Oh, well. Then let us delete the Jaish-e-Mohammed page. What is the point? - Kautilya3 (talk) 00:35, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

Though I myself is born in a Hindu Brahmin family, I consider "rationalism" as my religion. We will have to stop the rise of "UNREASON"- be it of any community. Actually, one communalism feeds the other communialism as they are complement to each other. As a history student, I see the fall of Congress as the result of its compromise on the ideal of "real" pluralism (secularism) and the rise of BJP as a successful exploitation of the contradictions in the "so called Congressi secular narrative of post independent India". To me, today's Hindutva force is a reactionary force - a reaction to post 70's congressi hypocrisy on pluralism. And like all reactionary forces, Hindutva generally focuses on both "racial masculinity" and "patriotic nationalism". If one wants to fight sectarianism, he has to take both - Hindu extremism and Islamic fundamentalism - head on. Being soft or hard on only one will eventually encourage the other.Ghatus (talk) 05:42, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

I think our own page on Indian National Congress is woefully silent on the "congressi hypocricy." - Kautilya3 (talk) 14:03, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

Also, terms like "communalism," "extremism," and "fundamentalism" are simplistic Leftist mumbo-jumbo which sidestep the real issues. Is Kashmiri separatism "Islamic fundamentalism?" Is claiming "Kashmir is an integral part of India" Hindu "extremism?" We need real debate on real issues. In a way, the JNU started precisely that. Let us not oversimplify things. - Kautilya3 (talk) 15:56, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

Kashmir seperatism is merely a part of global Sunni terrorism. Watch BBC documentary called Pakistan Doublecross.VictoriaGrayson 16:01, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

That may be so. But the Hindu nationalists don't do a thing to fight the global terrorism. They are paper tigers who take out their frustrations on the neighbourhood Indians. - Kautilya3 (talk) 16:50, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

Hindu nationalism is a term of White privilege. Edwin Bryant can be "agnostic" about Aryan Migration and not be termed a Hindu nationalist. Whites like David Gordon White can trace Vedas to Indus Valley Civilization without being called Hindu nationalist.VictoriaGrayson 18:20, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Malcolm X

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Discretionary sanctions

Hi Kautilya, the DS alert on F&F’s page is completely unnecessary and only serves to escalate what is otherwise just a simple content dispute. I’m sure they are aware of the existing Arbcom sanctions, so I’ve removed it for now. If you feel strongly about it, you are welcome to restore it. Thanks. The Masked Man of Mega Might (talk) 10:19, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Well, we all get the ARBIPA notice sooner or later. But I will let it be for now. Thanks. - Kautilya3 (talk) 11:06, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Kashmiri pandits

There was no tangible evidence that Kashmiri pandits women were used as sex slaves. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Salatee (talk • contribs) 01:27, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Ok, why are you telling me this? - Kautilya3 (talk) 08:37, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

I have fixed this now on Kashmiri Pandit. - Kautilya3 (talk) 13:37, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:List of current state leaders by date of assumption of office

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Jat reservation agitation

Can it be verified that these picture is what it claims to be? It looks to me that few truck drivers are having lunch. The picture is used in the page with caption "Jats provide food to those stuck because of the blockades". https://en.wikipedia.org/File:Jat_reservation_3.jpg --Captain Spark (talk) 11:10, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

I don't know. I have never worked with images. @RegentsPark: can you give your opinion on this? Cheers, Kautilya3 (talk) 13:36, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

I'd say get rid of it. It may or may not be what it purports to be but we should always err on the side of caution when it comes to authenticity. If the picture was published in a reliable source, that would be a different matter. --regentspark (comment) 14:12, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

@RegentsPark: My edit in Jat reservation agitation was reverted by a new user who is not the uploader. --Captain Spark (talk) 04:06, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Ok, the next step is to follow WP:BRD. Please open a talk page discussion, ping the other user, and ask him/her for the source of the picture. You can cite the Misplaced Pages sourcing policies WP:V etc. I have watch listed the page, and I can come in if needed. - Kautilya3 (talk) 10:36, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Left right

Kautilya, I'm surprised to see you trying to reframe the Indus Valley discussion in political terms, not something I expected and not something that is particularly productive. We're, most of us anyway, trying to be faithful to sources and to the weight that these sources give to different ideas. Reframing the debate as a political one sidetracks the issue, hardens opinions, and rarely results in a positive outcome. Something to think about? --regentspark (comment) 14:56, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

Ok, good point. I guess I still have some more "growing up" to do... - Kautilya3 (talk) 16:07, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

Nah. We all get carried away at times. Fowler is exceptionally good at finding sources and is an excellent writer. Working with editors like Fowler (and Sitush) is one of the joys of being on Misplaced Pages and you'll figure that out soon enough. --regentspark (comment) 17:27, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

"Hind-Sind divide"(as historians call it) over IVC started in 1940s, before partition. It's nothing new.(Hind=India, Sind=Pakistan). The civilization never exclusively belonged to one country alone. It's not a left-right ideological divide, but rather political one which has its root in an artificial attempt by the founding fathers of Pakistan to give Pakistan a separate identity independent of India/Indian history. The bluff was exposed in '60 & '70. It's a settled debate now that there were also urban settlements beyond Punjab and R'stan in the east upto UP. Ghatus (talk) 17:53, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

Nice. The Pakistanis claim the Sanskrit name, and the Indians the Persian name of the same river, precisely to deny the exact same heritages! The irony! My alter-ego is called SindHind by the way. - Kautilya3 (talk) 18:53, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

Secularism in India is exact opposite of secularism in America. For example, secularism in America is Separation of church and state, with same civil code for Christians, Jews, Hindus etc. Secularism in India is state control of religious institutions and different civil codes for different religions, including Sharia law. Free speech in India means that universities and employers cannot expel people even if they fly flag of ISIS. Free speech in America does not supersede codes of conduct of universities and employers. I can go on and on.VictoriaGrayson 19:18, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

Uncited content.

I was not sure whether to bring this up on my talk page or yours, so I brought it up on both pages. My apologies for violating any protocols. I am new here.

I was reading some wikipedia guidelines and they seem to suggest that the burden of proof lies on the person wishing to add or restore content. In most cases, content that is uncited is also unverifiable. A lot of it is potentially contentious. Is it not better to err on the side of caution? I, for one, would rather have articles that are less detailed but reliable than detailed articles that are potentially full of lies. Givemeplease (talk) 14:31, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi, I have responded on your own talk page so that it is all in one place. Cheers, Kautilya3 (talk) 15:40, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Food for thought for Hindu Nationalists

I found this comics about Thor fighting with Hindu Gods in 1980 comics. If anyone can show them this comics, then they will protest for few days. --Captain Spark (talk) 02:41, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Republican Party presidential candidates, 2016

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Vandalism and Blanking on RSS page by Kautilya3

As seen above with your vandalism post on Komati Caste, it seems you are quite used to blanking out edit from other WP editors to further your cause. Clearly the blanking out from you at this diff wherein both Kumar and Gandhi's reference of the RSS, is clearly biased. It reiterates the fact of the RSS being absent in the freedom struggle and siding with the British Raj when India needed independence; this fact already mentioned in the same page some sections prior.

So in no way, you can revert this, Kautilya3, unless ofcourse you are a "bhakt" itself, promoting the fascist thrice banned organisation, the RSS — Preceding unsigned comment added by Huhshyeh (talk • contribs) 11:27, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

Please discuss the issue, instead of making unhelpfull and misplaced accusations. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 11:54, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

@Huhshyeh: I reverted your edit as per the Misplaced Pages policy of reliable sources. Kanhaiya Kumar is not a scholar of Hindu nationalism, and his views on the RSS don't count. You can perhaps put them in the Kanhaiya Kumar page, but even there it is likely to get shot down because it comes across as a heated comment rather than a well-considered view. If you find a WP:SECONDARY source that uses this quote for some analysis, then you would be on more solid ground. Until then, I suggest you drop this. Misplaced Pages is a not a platform. Cheers, Kautilya3 (talk) 12:09, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

@Kautilya3: Kumar re-instated the facts mentioned in the same page. And what was the reason for your blanking out Rahul Gandhi? Both had voice against the RSS, and both got arrested for the same "sedition" charge - or do you want this not to be highlighted? So, now will you be reverting your revert? Huhshyeh (talk)

Elite recruitment and language shift

It seems to be a reasonable explanation, though one that's completely unknown to the 'AIT-bashers'. If only they read some serious lecture - or Misplaced Pages! Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 14:04, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

Morevoer we have evidence of these processes happening throughout history, e.g., George L. Hart#Early Evidence for Caste in South India, and perhaps even happening now. - Kautilya3 (talk) 14:16, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

I only have to look at the place where I come from; the regio there changed from Frysian-speaking to Gronings (Saxon)-speaking, due to the influence of the Saxon city Groningen. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 16:43, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

Mahmud of Ghazni

The statement, "According to tradition" was added 1 March 2016, can you prove it is sourced content? Else it is an unsourced addition. --Kansas Bear (talk) 18:53, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

Ah, I didn't realize that it was added today. @Huangdi: can you throw light on this? I don't have access to the source cited. As far as I am concerned, the whole sentence can go away. There is no evidence that Mahmud destroyed anything. - Kautilya3 (talk) 19:05, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

The source for the sentence, Habib 1965, p. 52-57, makes no mention of any tradition. --Kansas Bear (talk) 19:09, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

Ok, let us move this over to the article talk page. - Kautilya3 (talk) 19:23, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

The sources are in the article

Even JJ told you before that ANI and ASI are some 60,000 years old. How many times do we have to go over the same thing?VictoriaGrayson 20:59, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

The genes may be 60,000 years old. That tells us nothing about the people that carried them. I have 60,000 year old genes. Don't tell me I am 60,000 year old. You have no clue what is going on here, do you? - Kautilya3 (talk) 21:03, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

Dude, I'm a biologist.VictoriaGrayson 21:03, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

That makes it even more scary! - Kautilya3 (talk) 21:05, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

I've done full human cadaver dissection, phd level pharma, phd level histology, phd level evolution. I have the education of a medical doctor essentially.VictoriaGrayson 21:07, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

Even more SCARY! - Kautilya3 (talk) 21:09, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

? Biologists are nice people. As soem of my housemates, biologists, used to say (long time ago, when we were studying): the highest risk-factor for dying is living; the correlation is 100%. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 21:12, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

Oh, but according to Vic, I have been dead for 60,000 years! - Kautilya3 (talk) 21:24, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

You believe all sorts of odd things. See your user page for example.VictoriaGrayson 21:29, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Gibraltar sovereignty referendum, 2002

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A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	I appreciate your work here! Givemeplease (talk) 08:12, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

Thank you Givemeplease. You are doing pretty well yourself, considering how new you are here. Hope you will stick around and contribute to all the pages of your interest. We are quite in short supply of well-informed editors! - Kautilya3 (talk) 12:46, 2 March 2016 (UTC)