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Please abide by a neutral point of view in articles. Your edits to recent Irishmen from WWI do not adhere to such a point of view, and are offensive. Just to repeat what I typed at Talk:Capture_of_Schwaben_Redoubt#Re_.22Irish.22: James Craig, staunch Ulster Protestant and Ulster Volunteer leader, and Prime Minister of Northern Ireland, stated the following on 5th March 1929 at the Northern Ireland Parliament: "We are Irishmen ... I always hold that Ulstermen are Irishmen and the best of Irishmen.". It is highly offensive revisionists trying to erase the rightly Irish identity of pro-British Irishmen. It's just as bad as republicans trying to white-wash and justify their own history. Mabuska 14:00, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

I disagree that it is offensive - although some people are ready to take offence at anything I suppose - and I have replied to you at Talk:Capture of Schwaben Redoubt.Miles Creagh (talk) 21:16, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

It is offensive, just like modern-day loyalist memorial parades and demos in the name of the original Ulster Volunteers. Anyways don't start with the Ulster-Scots nonsense. I accept and am proud to have Ulster-Scots heritage, however it has been subjected to that much revisionism and reinvention in the past couple of decades that what the Scots in Ulster truly are is being lost in a cultural rewrite that's as bad as the nationalists misguided belief that they are all, and have always been, rebel Gaels. Amazing that so many of them descend from Scottish-Gaels, whilst so many Protestants likewise descend from Scottish-Gaels. Don't tell Nelson McCausland or Gregory Campbell their surnames come from Gaelic... Mabuska 00:28, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

You need to keep the heid, stop talking in terms of offence, stop accusing other editors of ignorance and bigotry, and engage calmly and rationally. I would appreciate you addressing my point at Talk:Capture of Schwaben Redoubt about the routine linkage of "Irish" to the Irish People article, which doesn't seem to me to include the notion you are advancing that Irishness can be a British identity, like English, Scottish or Welsh.Miles Creagh (talk) 14:04, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

My head is perfectly fine and my comments are calm and rationale, though they may not seem like that but context is hard to determine from the written word without explicit explanation of context. The Irish people articles links to people from the island of Ireland. The article is not perfect however it focuses on what it about, the Irish people which anyone born on this island technically is. Out of the sheer irony of it did you know that Queen Elizabeth II (and thus Charles, William etc.) is descended from the biggest Irish rebel of Queen Elizabeth I's reign, Hugh O'Neill? That fact alone would screw up that many minds here never mind the plethora of others.

By the way the picture on your user page is wrong. King Billy rode a brown horse and fell into the River Boyne as he suffered an asthma attack. He had to helped out of the water by one of the Enniskillen troops. Ironic as well that it was "our boys" who almost cost King Billy the battle. Mabuska 21:26, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Yes, history is full of little ironies. Another would be that one of King William's major supporters in his pan-European struggle against Louis XIV's France was the Pope. The main problem with the Irish People article as I see it is that it doesn't incorporate the notion you advanced (and which I agree with) that Irishness can be a British identity like English, Scottish or Welsh. And the problem with the notion that everybody born on the island of Ireland is an Irish person is that not everybody born on the island seems to so identify. Per the 2011 census, a large majority of people born in Northern Ireland identify as either British or Northern Irish over Irish. Miles Creagh (talk)

The Pope backing King William is old hat information. You appear to be confusing ethnicity, national identity, and citizenship altogether. Anyways the article details what you say it lacks about Irish people identifying as British etc: Irish_people#20th_century. The only problem with that section at present is that it needs updated with the 2011 statistics, or rather that the 21st century stuff go into its own sub-section or that one renamed "20th-21st century" etc. Mabuska 12:52, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Well, we're talking about information from the C17th, so none of it is exactly novel. That detail you link refers to "Northern Irish Protestants" identifying as British. This seems unduly sectarian, and in my opinion the article tends to downplay the wider, historical British identity of Irish prople. (My own family background is Southern Protestant.) But I'll take a look at adding the 2011 census information. It would be helpful if you could explain further how you think I am confusing ethnicity, national identity and citizenship? Miles Creagh (talk) 13:42, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

It is the way your comments on the issue come across. I may have a go later at reworking that section to make it better. Mabuska 15:59, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

You might find this interesting

Ireland’s New Memory of the First World War: Forgotten Aspects of the Battle of Messines, June 1917 R. S. Grayson Keith-264 (talk) 23:51, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

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Northern Ireland flags issue is covered by discretionary sanctions under WP:TROUBLES

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Template:Z33 Please be reminded that articles about the Northern Ireland flag come under WP:1RR. A complaint about the flag issue was recently filed at WP:AN3. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 15:38, 4 April 2016 (UTC)