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*{{u|FreeatlastChitchat}} I have hatted your section as there is ample evidence that the OP has used socks - but they have done their time and you know where SPI is if there is new cause for concern. At first blush your section appears aimed at discrediting the OP rather than discussing the complaint. I'm sure you don't really mean to expose yourself by doing that do you so I must be mistaken but please don't do it again. *{{u|FreeatlastChitchat}} I have hatted your section as there is ample evidence that the OP has used socks - but they have done their time and you know where SPI is if there is new cause for concern. At first blush your section appears aimed at discrediting the OP rather than discussing the complaint. I'm sure you don't really mean to expose yourself by doing that do you so I must be mistaken but please don't do it again.
*{{u|SheriffIsInTown}} I have removed your section entirely. Making a nationality based slur on an AE page? Really? Perhaps you could leave a short note on my talk page explaining how your participation in this area adds any value whatsoever as I'm strongly minded to impose a TBan for that edit. Please don't post to this discussion again. ] <sup>'']''</sup> 06:05, 11 April 2016 (UTC) *{{u|SheriffIsInTown}} I have removed your section entirely. Making a nationality based slur on an AE page? Really? Perhaps you could leave a short note on my talk page explaining how your participation in this area adds any value whatsoever as I'm strongly minded to impose a TBan for that edit. Please don't post to this discussion again. ] <sup>'']''</sup> 06:05, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

==HughD==
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===Request concerning HughD===
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    TripWire

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    Request concerning TripWire

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    D4iNa4 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 14:53, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    TripWire (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/India-Pakistan:
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    Edit warring and WP:GAMING to have consensus, continues to reinstate something for which he has gained no consensus. Such as:-
    reverted here:
    Reinstated reverted edit again, got reverted again, then reinstated same edit again, then reinstated once again after being reverted, and again, while sure that he was sure that his edit will be reverted.
    WP:NPA, WP:SOAP violation.
    "Like I have said many times, stop wasting time. The best you can do is to support socks and their contentious edits, unfortunately you'll fail in that too."
    "I'd suggest that you keep your Mullah Raj theory with you and act maturely."
    Use of very hostile language, WP:BATTLE.
    "I know a dear friends of yours was blocked for socking and one does get jumpy at times."
    Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any
    1. Topic banned from all "edits related to Pakistani politics and Indian/Pakistani conflicts, for a period of 6 months".
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    Just came off a topic ban this year.
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    Once he would realize that his topic ban is no more in force, he would go back to making those same kinds of edits that led to the topic ban, he would make three objectionable edits to Indo-Pakistani_War_of_1965 at first, then he disrupted the article Bangladesh Liberation War by edit warring and making hostile comments on talk page, after that he would falsely accuse @Volunteer Marek: of harassment. And now he seems to be missing no chance to attack editors like @Ghatus and Kautilya3: and others. D4iNa4 (talk) 14:53, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

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    Statement by (TripWire)

    tl;dr - you can unhat this when its 750 words or less
    The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

    A highly bad-faithed report. DiNA4was never in conflict with me and was not involved in the edits he is quoting as proof. We never interacted directly or at talk-pages. He has dug out events from history/past which has no bearing on policy vio.

    Please note that most of edits referred by DiNA4 were made by as others (atleast 3) and myself were in conflict with MBlaze Lightning - a blocked sock. His master KnightWarrior25 was already blocked, NOT for socking, but for pushing-POV/edit-warring. So, these edits were challenges to an blocked POV-pusher/habitual edit-warrer and were mainly done to fight a sock while following WP:BRD, WP:CONSENSUS. If left uncheck, MBL threatened Misplaced Pages as project. All this was done while talking it out with the involved editors. At no place did I edit-war as being claimed or else I must have been reported to ANI. MBL's being a sock & his master being blocked for POV-pushing/edit-warring is altogether a confirmation that I was correct in my approach.

    The policy for filing a report here says that "diffs older than one week may be declined as stale" but D4iNA4 has quoted weeks old diffs.

    Reply:

    Accusation-1:

    Reply-1:

    I was completely within my rights to make Edit and gave full details in the edit-summary. In edit I was reverted back by the adding editor, no problem, he was in his right too following the WP:BRD. This led to the 'D' part and I and the other editor engaged in a discussion over this at the talk page.

    Accusation-2:

    Reply-2:

    Note: DiAN4 has quoted random unrelated edits and pieced them together to incorrectly show I edit-warred.
    • Kautilya3 agreed with me by saying; "Yes, I too agree with TripWire's objection"
    • Ghatus also said; "I think TripWire is right here"
    Only then MBL stopped his edit-warring and refrained from re-inserting the info. Hence my edit was correct/justified.
    Now by stopping a POV-pusher (MBL - who later understood he was wrong) from adding duplicate info wasn't I building Misplaced Pages as per its polices and isnt DiNA4 wasting our time by manipulating facts?
    • Edit : DiNA4 says that edit was same as edit (i.e. I reverted twice) to prove that I edit-warred which is incorrect. As edit was made on 24 March whereas edit was made on 1 April and concerned two DIFFERENT issues which were being discussed SEPARATELY at talk.
    • Edit has nothing to do with either or as these three concerned three different issues and were made weeks apart. One being as early as 1 April and the latest one on 10 April. It's like digging up my entire history and linking random edits together in sheer bad-faith to show that I edit-warred. BTW, none of the edits mentioned violated any policy as all were being discussed per WP:BRD, not to mention that the edits were made to challenge a blocked sock whose master was also blocked for pushing POV.

    Accusation-3:

    "Like I have said many times, stop wasting time. The best you can do is to support socks and their contentious edits, unfortunately you'll fail in that too."

    Reply-3

    Kutaliya3 has a history of supporting socks. He has been pushing MBL's edits even after he was blocked and also supported Ghautus' WP:OR here. He has supported POV edits of User:Akbar the Great, User:Bazaan's sock. He's been in close contact with User:Greek Legend, a sock of User:CosmicEmperor and now he openly owned edits of MBL. He has been exchanging emails with them and has admitted to be in contact with blocked socks on an Admin's page.
    Moreover, I made the above reply when Kutaliya3 had attacked me first:
    "Oh, good. You are dodging my question (which i did not) . That is what I thought you would do. For me to say anything on talk, you need to state an objection first, which you never did. Frankly, I don't think you have any clue what is going on here." diff.

    Accusation-4:

    "I'd suggest that you keep your Mullah Raj theory with you and act maturely."

    Reply-4:

    This was made in response to Kutaliya's following comment:
    "We are not going to have a Mullah Raj on Misplaced Pages."
    I'll leave it to the admins to decide who was attacking whom.

    Accusation-5:

    "I know a dear friends of yours was blocked for socking and one does get jumpy at times."

    Reply-5:

    Background: I removed a WP:FAKE content but Kutalia3 immediately reverted me in a knee-jerk reaction. Like any good editor, I opened up a talk-page section to discuss the dispute. After discussion with Kutaliya, he accepted his mistake and agreed to self-revert, which he did. As he was restoring the content of MBL (blocked sock) and have admitted of being in contact with him after he was blocked, I simply pointed out the fact that a senior editor like him should be careful before he reverts in favour of a blocked user. In short, I was correct in making that edit. Ktaliya3 agreed too.

    Point scoring by DiNA4 in Bad-Faith:

    Just came off a topic ban this year.

    Reply:

    • First, I didn't come off topic just this year. I was banned on 3 July 2015 which ended on 4 January 2016 (3 months from now). I remained semi-active on Wiki during my topic-ban avoiding the topics I was banned from. When my ban ended, I still didnt start editing the pages I was banned from immediately. I only started participating on these topics from 20 February 2016 (1 month 12 days after the ban ended). I used this 1 month to develop more understanding of Wiki polices and didnt just jump back to editing. Even then too my first edit after my topic-ban ended was reverting something for which clear consensus had been reached after deliberate discussion at talk, but MBL without paying attention to the consensus tried to push POV (see my edit-summary). In short, the first edit I made after my topic-ban ended was to revert vandalism, but still I am being reported by DiNA4 for the same?

    Accusation-6:

    Edits and DiANA4's personal opinion without proof.

    Reply-6:

    • Admins please note that Edits & are same edits but quoted TWICE to add weight to his WP:NPA report.
    • Edit30/31 was made as per WP:WEASEL on 28 Feb 2016 and has not been challenged to date. Wonder why did DiNA4 pointed it out then?
    • Edit was made when Kutaliya removed some content saying that it was unsourced. I re-added the content by citing a source. What's wrong in that? Even Kutaliya agreed (the content is unchallenged todate)! DiNA4 has deliberately missed the very next edit where I added the source after restoring the content removed by Kutaliya3.
    • Edit is same as edit , and has already been replied at Accusation-4.
    • Edit is true as VM did indeed harass me and I took the matter to FPAS' talk-page. Self-explanatory details can be seen in the edit itself.

    To Admins: I'll ask for boomerang as this report is vindictive and Di4NA4 implied that just because I was topic banned before, he can hound me on that basis even after the ban ended.

    BTW what does DiNA4 has to say about the language/personal attacks used by Ghatus whom he is trying to defend by reporting me for WP:NPA:

    • diff "Don't try to be over smart. Go to Talk."
    • diff "50:1. Idiot. See talk and give secondary source, not news"
    • diff "All non WP:RS rubbish and unverified PoV pics are removed.If you continue to do this,the consequence will not be pleasant"
    • diff "Do not talk rubbish"

    Statement by Kautilya3

    Some general remarks concerning TripWire. As far as I can see, they are an SPA, whose contributions are limited to Indo-Pakistan conflicts. Secondly, the majority of their contribution are to edit-war over the content that the others have contributed, very little of their own content. How much of that the project can tolerate is a big question. TripWire has barely come off a 6-moth topic ban. Whether their behaviour has improved as a result is another question. I think it has. There is less edit-warring and more participation on the talk pages, even though I would say it is still far from ideal. The over-aggressive behaviour in discussions continues.

    One factor that is currently playing out at the moment is that MBlaze Lightning has been indeffed, rightly, and the pro-Pakistan editors favour reverting all of his edits wholesale. I have objected to that approach and said that we need to discuss specific objections in an issue-based way. That has not gone down well with the pro-Pakistan editors, and they have taken to calling me a supporter, even a "meatpuppet," of MBlaze. However, ironically, TripWire has been forced to point out on this page how often I have opposed MBlaze and supported their stance instead. That is poetic justice, it seems.

    Given that TripWire's behaviour shows improvement, I don't believe any serious sanction is warranted at this stage. However some cautionary remarks to TripWire to tone down their rhetoric and be more collaborative in their approach would be welcome. A recognition that editors like me are willing to listen to all sides would also be useful.

    Statement by Freeatlast

    We can see from the get go that the entire "evidence" here is fabricated.

    1. The first claim of gaming cleverly and conveniently fails to say that in actuality Tripwire was undoing vandalism by a sockpuppet and trying his best to refrain from even touching the article. You will see that many of his reverts are to versions that are from uninvolved editors.
    2. As far as the so called "personal attacks" go we have someone who is asking for a t-ban based on an editor saying "please act maturely". I do not know whether to laugh or cry at the copious amounts of bad faith oozing from this. This is a highly volatile area and truth be told if every editor who asked another to "act maturely" was banned from topics we will have to T-ban almost 75% of editors. So this is just a "filler" used by the nom to "beef up" his accusations, and make them look big. more space=more suspicion. The reaction usually is "There are so many diffs, he MUST have done something".
    3. As far as the accusation of WP:BATTLE is concerned firstly you can see that once again it is a filler. Why not include it with NPA? no Sir! We are going to make a new accusation. Secondly it is clearly the exact opposite of what the nom claims, Tripwire is actually saying "no harm, no foul" at the end leading to quite a good faith ending to a heated discussion. Including such a diff here is mind bogglingly bad faith.

    My advice is that the nom should spend time actually improving the encyclopedia instead of filling this kind of bad faith requests. I was going to suggest boomerang but then I though why ask for a block? he only comes online once or twice a week to revert etc. FreeatlastChitchat (talk) 23:54, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

    Statement by Capitals00

    While I have nothing to say about the long and non-convincing explanations of TripWire other than that he is trying to reject any fault with his editing, he is also denying that he recently came off from a topic ban.

    TripWire's discussions on talk page has been WP:BATTLEGROUND, he even prefers opening the sections with disparaging titles.

    His edit warring is too widespread that he removes what he doesn't like, not to forget that he made four reverts only for removing an infobox image that he didn't liked,, despite he had no consensus to do that and infobox image still exists on the main article.

    WP:ASPERSION is being violated on this page alone.

    • TripWire: "including Ghatus and Kautilya3 - both Indians"

    And also false accusations of meat puppetry and sock puppetry.

    • TripWire: "dragging me here to settle his personal scores on the direction of someone"

    I don't see how one can deal with such user after they create such a toxic environment. Blocks and topic bans are the only way. Capitals00 (talk) 09:16, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

    Reply to Capitals00

    First, hey there, havent seen you much, thankyou for waking up. How did you know about this report by the way? Coming over to your accusations:

    • Edit If you would add an image twice in the same article, then yes you are disrupting Misplaced Pages. Here's why:
    Image: "1971 Instrument of Surrender.jpg" was already present in the article, but MBL (banned sock) added it again without removing the one already present. Dont know if you didnt see it or was it done deliberately to push POV. It was removed by someone but was then re-added by VM here. Yep, the same image twice.
    I then undid it giving full explanation in the edit-summary . But Capitals00 added it again. Yep, the same image twice in the same article.
    When I saw that you are unable to understand my edit-summaries clearly mentioning that the image is a duplicate, I then opened a talk-page section for discussion , the same link that now you have quoted against me accusing me of 'disparaging' titles, which indeed was a plus for me as I followed WP:BRD (though it must have been you or MBL who should have followed BRD and got consensus). So yes, by adding a duplicate image over and again you were engaging in DE and hence the title "Disruptive Editing by Capitals00' you not only added a duplicate image but also made a blanket revert.
    After opening the talk-page section, I undid the image while again explaining that the image was a duplicate. But the funny thing is that MBL again re-added the image without commenting on the talk page section!
    The image was again removed and I warned you guys to stop or I will take this matter to ANI. Only then did VM removed the duplicate image and I backed-out while the second (same) image was moved up to the infobox - the sock succeeded!
    Now Admins, please tell, was I wrong in asking them to remove a duplicate image over and again and even inviting them to discuss the issue? Why did Capitals00 not mention this in his comment and instead cherrypicked the 'title' (which was fine BTW) only?
    Admins, none of the edits I made above violated 3RR,
    • Edit We all had agreed on various Bangladesh talk-pages that newspapers would not be taken as RS when adding content to historical topics, rather books would be preferred. Kutilya3 will back me on this. There was a consensus on it. I only undid what the consensus said. My edit-summary made it clear too.
    • Edit MBL and Capitals00 were adding a duplicate image, WP:BURDEN of consensus was on you, not me. But I still backed-out even when no consensus was reached.
    • Edit Why? Did you even read my reply to Di4AN4?—TripWire ︢ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︡ ︢ ︡   14:26, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

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    • TripWire your statement is 1900 words. Reduce it to 500 or I shall cut it off at that point. Hint - spend less time casting aspertions at your opponants and just stick to explaining why you think your edits were not a vio. Spartaz 06:06, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
    Spartaz, I cannot possibly reply to 18 accusations, most of which are false/bad-faithed, in less than 500 words. I request you to un-hat my reply, please in the interest of clarity.—TripWire ︢ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︡ ︢ ︡   14:54, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
    Please move all your responses to your own section, I might be willing to extend your wordcount to 750 but no way can we give you license to write as much as you like. The word count is to concentrate your responses to the key matters. Sorry but you need to amalgamate your responses and edit it down to 750. Spartaz 15:00, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
    • FreeatlastChitchat I have hatted your section as there is ample evidence that the OP has used socks - but they have done their time and you know where SPI is if there is new cause for concern. At first blush your section appears aimed at discrediting the OP rather than discussing the complaint. I'm sure you don't really mean to expose yourself by doing that do you so I must be mistaken but please don't do it again.
    • SheriffIsInTown I have removed your section entirely. Making a nationality based slur on an AE page? Really? Perhaps you could leave a short note on my talk page explaining how your participation in this area adds any value whatsoever as I'm strongly minded to impose a TBan for that edit. Please don't post to this discussion again. Spartaz 06:05, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

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