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Hi Toreeva. Thank you for contributing to Misplaced Pages. I noticed that you have uploaded quite a few images as well, whose copyright status is unclear. It would be helpful if you provide some information. Are you by any chance related to ]? (are you Natalia Toreeva herself/a friend/family member/employer/employee/student etc.) This is important for us. You can reply here on this page. In addition, I would request you to read the ] notice I have provided above and familiarise yourself with the guidelines. Thank You. --] (]) 00:19, 30 April 2016 (UTC) Hi Toreeva. Thank you for contributing to Misplaced Pages. I noticed that you have uploaded quite a few images as well, whose copyright status is unclear. It would be helpful if you provide some information. Are you by any chance related to ]? (are you Natalia Toreeva herself/a friend/family member/employer/employee/student etc.) This is important for us. You can reply here on this page. In addition, I would request you to read the ] notice I have provided above and familiarise yourself with the guidelines. Thank You. --] (]) 00:19, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Hello ], I don't understand about all questions related to the article, so only any person can write about the 'dead' person but not who are still alive? I am doing the contributions to wiki several years already in the diff. articles about Russia. Now I'm doing my input to the "Unofficial art in Russia", about the "School of Sidlin", "Sterligov Group", "Arefiev Circle", and others. I'm part of the "School of Sidlin" art group, and at that time of 1970s-1980s, this art movement was unofficial, and many artists have to emigrate, including me. I almost knew all the artists from another art groups like Sterligov, Arefiev, etc, and because many of them are died, I feel it is my obligation to show to the art world about the art Russian movement at that time, which eventually brought to fall the Soviet Union in 1991. I'm also 75 years old, and from our group we have alive 4 artists left alive, and since in Russia almost no one speak/write in English, I feel that I have to do my input. This movement is under study in art museums in Russia and abroad, and they need the information from the 'real' person who is not 'dead' yet. I'm not going to promote any person or any art group, I just want to show the names of the artists/groups and their role in the art movement of that time.
If I'm doing my input in that section and you ask to give more details/references about those artists/group, how come you restricted this my article that is written to support that section in the unofficial art in Russia? I even asked the State Museum "Tsarskoselskaya Collection" who has the art works many of the artists, the permission to use their museum name in this article. So, it is more just about Natalia Toreeva, it is the art movement of 1970s-1980s. And it is shame not to give the permission to have this article in wiki encyclopedia. I agree to have some editing to the text, but to reject it, it is wrong from the art history point of view. I don't represent any art groups, I don't receive any payment from any one, I just follow my passion in art, and the history of art, specifically in Russian art, and to give any information about the Russian art at that time. It is the missing part of the history. And we have less and less artists alive who can really tell the story. For example, in Arefiev's group, only one person is still alive..

Regarding the copyrights: I included 5 drawings and I also submitted the copyright info about them. They are all copyrighted, and I sent email about any info they needed. You can verify, for example:
#2016042210018206 ("The new Beginning", 1992), ...10017118 ("Song of Songs", 1997), ...10016815 ("The End of USSR", 1992),
...10015932 ("Pantocrator", 1992), 10017369 ("Song of Songs", 1999).
You can verify with them about if they are looking into my emails, with copyright info, but I thought they are still busy. You can verify on their progress These drawings should not have any problems since they are copyrighted and have all the info when they were submitted to wiki.

Hope I answer on all your concerns. Hope you will see behind not the person who wants to promote the artists/group, but who wants to make the input to give the knowledge to the world about the Russian art movement of 1970-1980s. Hope you understand it.] (]) 01:47, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

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Can you help me: I would like to create my user name under Natalia Toreeva and also if I click on Google this User name I will be directed to http://en.wikipedia.org/Natalia_Toreeva. How I can do it? I can't find this info. Currently my User is Toreeva.

Toreeva (talk) 19:44, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of Natalia Toreeva

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This is not an article but my biography. I'm doing my input about art in Russia, and I need to include my name there, so people know who is writing the articles. Also it is not finished yet. I just checking how links are working, bec. this is my first try. Thanks, Natalia

March 2016

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I don't understand why you want to delete? I'm looking into the same kind of the articles the artists created, so you can look at those examples: Anatoly Belkin, Mikhail Chemiakin etc.

I have moved this to a draft called Draft:Natalia Toreeva as perhaps there is notability, but when I look for online references I see none. Once you can support the page with a claim of importance, and reliable independent and substantial references on the person, then it can be considered again as an article. Most who write about themselves here are disappointed with the result, as it is usually deleted or edited. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 09:07, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

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Hello User:onel5969, Thanks for your feedback on possible improvement! I will try to follow your suggestions. Thanks, Natalia T.Toreeva (talk) 18:19, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

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Hello SwisterTwister, I received your comment for the St. Regis Moscow Nikolskaya article, I believe, by mistake. It is NOT my article, I just corrected the grammar there, when I saw the error message there. But the article itself is not mine. I don't know the author of this article, so you might want to resend your comments to the author. Thank you.Toreeva (talk) 13:05, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

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As reviewing administrator, I deleted the article. The immediate question isn't notability, but promotionalism. If you want to rewritethe article, try to do it as follows:

  1. write one or two paragraphs about her general biography , education, and any long-term appointments or positions.
  2. List the major exhibitions in which she had works, including only those in major museums and the like., not everything possible
  3. List those works of hers' in the permanent collection of major museums -- not local museums, or private collections. For every one of them, give a reference to a third party source to show they're in the collection.
  4. Omit minor material: to the extent that the subject is importance, there will be sufficient without it. DGG ( talk ) 04:26, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
and yes, you can use references in both English and Russian--and you should do that. DGG ( talk ) 19:43, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

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Talkpage ban

I'm banning you indefinitely from my talkpage, as you seem only here to self-promote, rather than building the encyclopedia. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:54, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

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About Natalia Toreeva

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Hello Lemongirl942, I don't understand about all questions related to the article, so only any person can write about the 'dead' person but not who are still alive? I am doing the contributions to wiki several years already in the diff. articles about Russia. Now I'm doing my input to the "Unofficial art in Russia", about the "School of Sidlin", "Sterligov Group", "Arefiev Circle", and others. I'm part of the "School of Sidlin" art group, and at that time of 1970s-1980s, this art movement was unofficial, and many artists have to emigrate, including me. I almost knew all the artists from another art groups like Sterligov, Arefiev, etc, and because many of them are died, I feel it is my obligation to show to the art world about the art Russian movement at that time, which eventually brought to fall the Soviet Union in 1991. I'm also 75 years old, and from our group we have alive 4 artists left alive, and since in Russia almost no one speak/write in English, I feel that I have to do my input. This movement is under study in art museums in Russia and abroad, and they need the information from the 'real' person who is not 'dead' yet. I'm not going to promote any person or any art group, I just want to show the names of the artists/groups and their role in the art movement of that time. If I'm doing my input in that section and you ask to give more details/references about those artists/group, how come you restricted this my article that is written to support that section in the unofficial art in Russia? I even asked the State Museum "Tsarskoselskaya Collection" who has the art works many of the artists, the permission to use their museum name in this article. So, it is more just about Natalia Toreeva, it is the art movement of 1970s-1980s. And it is shame not to give the permission to have this article in wiki encyclopedia. I agree to have some editing to the text, but to reject it, it is wrong from the art history point of view. I don't represent any art groups, I don't receive any payment from any one, I just follow my passion in art, and the history of art, specifically in Russian art, and to give any information about the Russian art at that time. It is the missing part of the history. And we have less and less artists alive who can really tell the story. For example, in Arefiev's group, only one person is still alive..

Regarding the copyrights: I included 5 drawings and I also submitted the copyright info about them. They are all copyrighted, and I sent email about any info they needed. You can verify, for example:

  1. 2016042210018206 ("The new Beginning", 1992), ...10017118 ("Song of Songs", 1997), ...10016815 ("The End of USSR", 1992),

...10015932 ("Pantocrator", 1992), 10017369 ("Song of Songs", 1999). You can verify with them about if they are looking into my emails, with copyright info, but I thought they are still busy. You can verify on their progress These drawings should not have any problems since they are copyrighted and have all the info when they were submitted to wiki.

Hope I answer on all your concerns. Hope you will see behind not the person who wants to promote the artists/group, but who wants to make the input to give the knowledge to the world about the Russian art movement of 1970-1980s. Hope you understand it.Toreeva (talk) 01:47, 30 April 2016 (UTC)