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University of Kansas "Ancient Central America" course assignment

This is just a heads-up to let you know that I'm once again having students create Misplaced Pages entries for a course this semester. I've posted the information for them here:

User_talk:Hoopes#Wikipedia_Assignments_for_.22Topics_in_Archaeology:_Ancient_Central_America.22_at_KU_.28Spring_2016.29

Dwapara Yuga / Yoekteshwar

Hi Doug, I'm Robert ( RobCZ ) and I think the last correction must have been five years ago on the particular year we are in according to this interpretation of Yoekteshwar. Swami Yoekteshwar wrote his Holy Science in 194 Dwapara ( 1894 ), thus currently we are in 316 Dwapara. Kind regards Robert, Amsterdam, Holland

Re: Jesus - Section on alleged violence

Hi Doug,

I would like to add the following section to the Misplaced Pages article 'Jesus'. It is, of course, a sensitive subject and what I would like to add will not be to the liking of the majority of readers, even though it is historically correct. The article is quite understandably auto-protected, so I may not be able to get pas that anyway. Do you, and other members on this talk page, think this addition will be warranted?

Question about the necessity to merge histories (and help, if required)

Hello, Doug.

I've been unhappy for a while with this section: International Date Line#Judaism. Accordingly, I copied that section into my sandbox and rewrote it. My current version can be found here: User:StevenJ81/sandbox#International date line in halakha.

My feeling is that this is big enough to be an article on its own. (I would accordingly vastly shorten the section in the main article, hatnote it, etc.) But since I didn't start it on its own page, I can't easily copy the edit history involved. How important do you think that is? If it is, I can easily identify for you what edits are relevant; there are only two sequences of edits, albeit long sequences, involved.

Also, best to name new page "International date line in Judaism", "...in Jewish law", "... in halakha"?

Thanks for your advice/help. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:55, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

StevenJ81, I think that something on the talk page of the new article would probably be ok. See Misplaced Pages:Copying within Misplaced Pages. The section in the main article should be a short summary of the new, obviously. I like "International date line in Judaism" as giving more flexibility for content. But I don't like the lead. It seems to narrow the scope of the article and is essay like. I also don't like the last sentence as it gives readers advice. Have you thought of asking Wikiproject Judaism for advice? It's going to be rewritten anyway as that's what happens to articles, that could start now. You might want to submit it as a draft later also. I don't think I can be of much more help. If you think you do need to do more about the history, ask at WP:AN as there are Admins to who that sort of thing regularly, but I'm not one of them. Doug Weller talk 16:00, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. I've gotten some advice privately from some people already, but I can certainly open it up on the WikiProject.

With respect to two specific comments of yours: (1) I'm guessing that what concerns you about the lead is that it focuses too much on the question of "How does this differ from the conventional IDL?" and doesn't suggest that anything else will be covered. Do I have that right? FWIW, as things stand now, that's just how the article is written. I was concerned that expanding too much more on technical halakhic issues of crossing the date line would turn this into even more of a halakhic discourse than it already is, and less of an encyclopedia article. I'll get advice from the WikiProject. But I do want to make sure I understand your concern. (2) The last sentence was meant to reflect the fact that source materials on the subject tend to strongly encourage people with such questions to study and ask authorities, not that I was doing so myself. I'll fix that, surely. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:35, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

I'm not sure you can fix that. It was the first sentence of the lead that really didn't sit right with me. Doug Weller talk 18:45, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

OK. Thanks for your help. I'll see what I and other can do about all of this. StevenJ81 (talk) 18:48, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

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Regarding article List of unaccredited institutions of higher education

Hi Doug,

I'm contacting you as you seem to be a more experienced editor. I made an edit to the article mentioned above and this same editor keeps reverting the change. I had added this reference to the institution Atlantic Internation University

Has Accreditation by ASIC Accreditation Service for International Colleges , an accreditation agency recognized by the US Council for Higher Education Accreditation based in the UK. However, this institution is not accredited by an agency recognized by the US

I saw that other institutions on that list have notes explaining their non-accredited status, so why is this institution being inferior to the other institutions that have notes on this list? The same user keeps reverting it. I don't want to accuse an editor of being non-nuetral or having some sort of personal vendetta against this specific institution. Can you please add this note to the Atlantic International University? Further, please see the last 4 edits on this page. This would be greatly appreciated. Hopefully this editor will not revert your edit as you are an experience editor.

Thank you so much LRappaport (talk) 04:07, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

ASIC seems pretty useless as an international accreditation agency as it seems to be a family business but obviously much more august bodies say otherwise. You really need to discuss this on the talk page. Doug Weller talk 16:12, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

References

1. http://www.asicuk.com/international-directory/
2. http://cheainternational.org/intdb/display1.asp?ID=c164
3. www.aiu.edu

Please comment on Talk:Glossary of video game terms

The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:Glossary of video game terms. Legobot (talk) 04:27, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

Ramesses

I am very curious - why did you undo my edit to the Ramesses page under the headline regarding his legacy? It has been proven that his DNA exists in millions of Africans in East, Cental and Southern Africa today, right now, this very minute. Isn't that a part of Ramesses the Second's legacy?

(stalker comment) No, not if the sources are correctly used. See Doug's comments in the article's editing history, at Talk:Ramesses III#Genetics, and at Talk:Ramesses III#haplogroup predominantly found in Sub-Saharan Africa, - original research. The claim amounts to WP:OR, as far as I can tell. Editors can't use sources to deduce, draw conclusions or make generalisations not claimed by the sources themselves. Haploidavey (talk) 10:01, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Looks like we may all be descendants of him and anyone whose family line wasn't cut off. So no, not part of his legacy. And Haploidavey is correct. Doug Weller talk 14:40, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Gary Cziko

Hi Doug Weller. In my rewriting of the Gary Cziko article I've become very confused as to the issues/concerns brought up in the AfD regarding this academic (who is a leader in his field) as it applies to WP guidelines and could really use some expert guidance going forward. Thanks. Picomtn (talk) 14:59, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

PicomtnBarrelproof is right about "What we need are citations to independent sources that are reliable that discuss Cziko and do so in substantial detail and indicate that he is notable in some clearly identified way" - did you read WP:PROF? Doug Weller talk 16:32, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Hi Doug Weller. Yes, but here's the critical point I'm positing, if you delete this article about one of the academic leaders of Perceptual Control Theory then you must, by both your logic and stated WP policies, delete the article of William T. Powers too (which has no referenced sources). Then, and with both of them gone, the Perceptual Control Theory article must be deleted following this couse of logic. Do you understand the dilemma being created here? Thanks. Picomtn (talk) 16:41, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Hi Doug Weller. I forgot to add, and, again, yes, I did read WP:PROF and believe both this articles subject and his research topic are to be considered significant, interesting, and unusual enough to be worthy of notice. Thanks. Picomtn (talk) 16:48, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

You can take Powers to AfD after of course doing the appropriate searches, but you know about that. That doesn't automatically mean PCT should be deleted. Doug Weller talk 16:56, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Hi Doug Weller I believe you know that I would never do that, and, sadly, after devoting my entire day trying to save this poor article I've got no energy, or eyesight left, to even contemplate Powers. And before going, thank you, again, for your kind assistance and guidance, but I really believe that WP should keep these types of articles, even if one does have to hang their hat, so speak, on a more expansive definition of the words significant and interesting in order to do so. After all, every piece to a puzzle is important, no matter how small. Thanks. Picomtn (talk) 18:08, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Picomtn, this AfD just began yesterday and hasn't received widespread participation yet. I'd look into Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Academics and educators which would bring this discussion to a larger editor pool who might participate in the discussion. For what it's worth, I think considering we have an article on every athlete whoever played one game in a professional league anywhere in the world, I think Misplaced Pages's notability bar for academics is far too high.

Another suggestion is to post a very neutral announcement about the discussion at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Psychology. Liz 18:26, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

London School of Business and Finance

Hi Doug. This is a heads-up as you have been involved in monitoring this article and its associated suite. I have begun clean up of this article following a discussion at Talk:London College of Contemporary Arts. The details are at Talk:London School of Business and Finance. As I imagine my revisions will not escape the notice of the owner's brand managers, you might want to put it on watch. In the end, I also created a separate article on the owner, Global University Systems, which you might also want to put on watch. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 10:01, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

Welsh People / Pobl Cymraeg

So Doug - given that you have caveated your 'talk' page by saying that you are busy in real life and so don't respond quickly I perceive that:

1. Snowded and/or Garick have involved you to censor (contrary to the stated objectives of Misplaced Pages) self evident truths; and 2. It looks as if you have no intention of responding quickly (following your statement of 'busyness') thus ensuring that your censorship remains effective for longer than could possibly be justified - perhaps hoping I'll just go away (I won't).

The fact is that the article about the 'Welsh' that I edited made and now again (thanks to your intervention) makes unsubstantiated subjective belief claims to the following effect "The Welsh people (Welsh: Cymry) are a nation and ethnic group native to, or otherwise associated with, Wales and the Welsh language." This is patently not true in so far as the reference to the Welsh language is concerned since very few outside of Wales are aware that more than a tiny minority of the inhabitants of Wales are able to speak Cymraeg (Welsh to you) and do not make the connection with 'Cymraeg' (Welsh). Secondly, and more erroneously, the following statement from the re-instated article states "...The term Welsh people applies to people from Wales and people of Welsh ancestry perceiving themselves or being perceived as sharing a cultural heritage and shared ancestral origins..." and is a ludicrously inaccurate and subjective statement that is demonstrably wrong.

When one types 'Cymry' into the Wiki search engine one is re-directed to the page in question and therefore the latter sentence purports to apply to all people in Wales without distinction. As mentioned, this is simply wrong. The 1st language Welsh speaking people do NOT perceive of themselves as 'Welsh' outside of the context of a conversation in English about Wales and its people. An Englishman living in France may describe himself to a Frenchman as being Anglais but he does not thinks of himself in his own heart and mind as being Anglais - do you doubt this? That this is so is a self evident truth that only an individual of limited intellect would challenge. Furthermore (as mentioned in my earlier email to you) and most importantly, what you and others seem to fail to grasp is that the culture of the Cymry is very different to the culture of the non-Welsh speaking Welsh. The non-Welsh speaking Welsh have no access to the significant amount of literature, poetry and music written in Cymraeg (the correct name for the Welsh language) and the traditions of the 'Cymry' that are often very different to the traditions of the 'Welsh' (perhaps you yourself are unaware of this - I suspect it to be the case) AND since one's cultural heritage is made up in the main of a people's literature, poetry and music (in their native tongue) along with their traditions it is clearly inaccurate (and not a little ludicrous) NOT to make the distinctions I made in my edits which you (probably having zero understanding of these very significant differences I am referring to) seek to block by very heavy handed means (you come over sir as a bully, using your administrative position to shut down legitimate edits and points).

Perhaps in light of the above you will be gracious enough to put aside your busy life (you're not the only one and if you are so very busy why are you a Wiki administrator in the first place?) and explain to me why my edits are wrong given the above point on "sharing cultural heritage". The principal edit which you have undone addresses the fact that the Welsh cannot perceive themselves ".....as sharing a cultural heritage..." with the Cymry - it doesn't make the Cymry any better or worse but it does mean that they have a different cultural heritage and that therefore the article as it stands is wrong on this point and my edits addressed this error.

I trust having read the above you will re-instate my edit or at the very least give me a prompt and reasoned (emphasis on 'reasoned') explanation for not doing so.

Tommymech (talk) 21:59, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Requested Unblock, Did You Get my Email

Hi Doug Weller, did you and the rest of the Arbcom mailing list receive my email of April 24? I asked to be unblocked. I was a contributor of solid content for five or six years before I was perma-blocked without warning with a button click falsely labeling me a sockpuppet by an administrator that didn't explain anything.

I was proud of my contributions to Misplaced Pages and would like to do so again. As you look into my case (as I expect you to, given your position as arbitrator) do not accept as fact any accusation against me without allowing me to respond. I have endured many many lies and WP:AN/ANI mob attacks in which I was muted and my defenses erased, resulting in damage to my reputation as an editor. Further, do not accept the assertion of Thryduulf at my talkpage that I am on an "appeal timer," because he has no authority to do any such thing and there is nothing in policy that allows him this, as well his purporting timing is unevidenced and suspect.

Answer my email or unblock my talkpage and we'll be able to communicate about this important matter. Colton Cosmic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.195.209.135 (talk) 15:18, 10 May 2016 (UTC)