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Gender-based price discrimination

Hello FPizzo,

Just wanted to let you know I think your efforts to expand this topic are appreciated and sorely needed. I stumbled across the Price discrimination article a while back. It struck me as odd that the Gender-based examples section was a paltry 7 sentences in length! Being far from an expert on the subject I did a little research and attempted to expand it, but it was definitely still in need of work.

Good luck finishing up. I put a link at the top of of the Gender-based examples section of Price discrimination indicating that a main article on the topic exists. I was wondering if you intend to return to the Gender-based examples section of the Price discrimination article and rewrite the section in an abbreviated form when the Gender-based price discrimination article is filled out as per your intended outline? StrangrDangr (talk) 09:26, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

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Paraphrasing

To close in this edit

You added "The study involved 180 independent negotiations at ninety dealerships in the Chicago area. The testers were of different races and genders. Each tester entered new car dealerships and bargained to purchase a new car, using a uniform negotiation strategy. The results of the study concluded that white males recieved significantly better prices than non-whites and women. For example, white women had to pay forty percent more than white men and black women had to pay more than three times more than white men. "

Source says "More than 18o independent negotiations at ninety dealerships were conducted in the Chicago area to examine how dealerships bargain. Testers of different races and genders entered new car dealerships separately and bargained to buy a new car, using a uniform negotiation strategy.7 The study tests whether automobile retailers react differently to this uniform strategy when potential buyers differ only by gender or race. 8 The tests reveal that white males receive significantly better prices than blacks and women. As detailed below, white women had to pay forty percent higher markups than white men; black men had to pay more than twice the markup, and black women had to pay more than three times the markup of white male testers."

Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 17:29, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

User:Adam (Wiki Ed) your thoughts? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 17:31, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

We have this text "The DCA studied and surveyed the gender pricing of goods in New York City across multiple industries including toys and accessories, personal care products, and adult clothing. The DCA compared nearly 800 produces with definitive male and female versions from more than 90 brands sold at two-dozen New York City retailers." https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Gender-based_price_discrimination&type=revision&diff=721396519&oldid=721394293

Ref says "To this end, DCA conducted a first-ever study of the gender pricing of goods in New York City across multiple industries. The industries studied for this report include: toys and accessories, children’s clothing, adult clothing, personal care products, and home health care products for seniors. The Agency compared nearly 800 products with clear male and female versions from more than 90 brands sold at two dozen New York City retailers, both online and in stores."

° First of all, no where on the entire page were these sentences:

"The DCA studied and surveyed the gender pricing of goods in New York City across multiple industries including toys and accessories, personal care products, and adult clothing. The DCA compared nearly 800 produces with definitive male and female versions from more than 90 brands sold at two-dozen New York City retailers." https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Gender-based_price_discrimination&type=revision&diff=721396519&oldid=721394293

Unless another user added this to the page, I never typed out those sentences Doc James (talk.

FPizzo (talk) 21:07, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 17:35, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

You also copied the picture from http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2015/04/27/gender-price-gap/ Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 17:38, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

I created a temporary page for gender-based price discrimination. Not sure how other users access this.

FPizzo (talk) 21:07, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

• I moved your "temporary" page to Draft:Gender-based price discrimination. I guess that is what you meant to do. Vanjagenije (talk) 21:31, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Looking closer

• Yes in these edits you moved the content of concern to the new article. So agree those concerns were not of yours.

• The content in this edit was added by you not sure if that was moved from somewhere?

Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 21:12, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I was instructed to add information from the price discrimination page to the gender-based price discrimination page to clear up the parent page. Upon realizing that there was duplicative information regarding the DCA study in the New York legislation section - I removed the sentence you are referring to.

FPizzo (talk) 21:15, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

• Than we have in this edit

You added "The DCA found that personal care products for women were purchased at a higher frequency than other consumer goods included in the study, indicating that the 13 percent difference in pricing leads to a significant financial burden for women over a lifetime."

Source says ""Because personal care products are purchased at a higher frequency than the other consumer goods included in this study, this 13 percent difference translates into a significant financial burden for women over the course of a lifetime," the study reported.

Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 21:21, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

User:DMacks can you give this editor a second opinion? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 21:27, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

I agree there are close-paraphrasing issues. It's possible (I don't have time to look more closely right now) that some were pre-existing on one WP article and FPizzo merely copied it to another WP article. By edit-history, that makes FPizzo the apparent contributor of the content to that new target article even if he was not the original contributor of that content to WP as a whole. But that's also a concern even if the content were originally valid. WP content license requires attribution, so the edit that pasted the content into the new target on WP would have to identify the WP source article (via edit summary for example). DMacks (talk) 21:32, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

What would you have me change? Instead of 13 percent should I had said slightly more than 10%? I dont think so..... I was trying to be as true to the findings of fact of the study as possible. There are certain points of information and words that should not be changed unless you want to mislead the reader.

FPizzo (talk) 21:32, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

One could say "Of the products looked at those with the biggest difference in prices for the sexes were for personal care. As women generally buy more of this type of product they end up paying a fair bit more over the years." Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 21:42, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

First I wanted to add the actual details of the study with numbers. Your sentence is weakly worded. Its not just a "fair bit" it creates a burden (a legal term of art).

Another

You added "The study found that no hair salon offered cheaper haircuts to women. Of the 100 salons examined, only 15 had equal starting prices for women's and men's haircuts. Women paid on average $35.02 for a basic haircut while men paid $22.78."

Source says Of the 100 salons for which data were collected, only 15 had equal starting prices for women’s and men’s haircuts' (10 of these were franchise salons). There was no salon that offered cheaper haircuts to women. On average, 'women paid $35.02 (SD=11.38) for a basic haircut and men paid $22.78 (SD=6.23)."

Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 21:33, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Again you do realize that there is only so many ways to say a very blunt fact that "no salon offered cheaper haircuts to women." Would you prefer that I type like Master Yoda over here?

Cheaper haircuts no salon offered to women.

FPizzo (talk) 21:37, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

And you should not say it the same was as your sources sentence after sentence.

For "no salon offered cheaper haircuts to women" you could have had "at all the salon's looked at women either paid the same or more for main for a haircut"

If you would have done that it would not have flagged your edits by the copyright detection bot. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 21:44, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

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Deleted the image as a copyright concern. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 21:15, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

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