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| == Why does this article downplay the blog? == | |||
| I'm not really sure why this article seems to go to excessive lengths to de-emphasize the blog, when Cole has no real notability outside of the blog. There would be very little reason to have an article on Juan Cole on Misplaced Pages at all, if it weren't for the blog, and the various associated controversies which have followed along behind the blog... ] (]) 20:10, 10 February 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :That's nonsense. There is a whole section on the blog and a ton of citations from it. If anything there is too much of his blog here. There is no "downplaying" of the blog; it's pretty clear from the evidence that it is well regarded and played a significant role in his career, as noted in the article. The various "controversies" you mention were blips in the blogosphere, but his real notability is found in what's published in reliable sources, not what some blogger said about his mama or whatever. When you go to the reliable sources you find that the so-called "controversies" really have had little impact. ] (]) 09:19, 11 February 2010 (UTC) | |||
| ::As far as I can tell, without the blog Juan Cole would be a relatively unknown academic and minor wannabe-pundit, like thousands of others out there, a large number of whom don't have Misplaced Pages articles devoted to them. Many of the blog controversies may not be very meaningful in themselves, but they gave him publicity without which he would have remained in obscurity. ] (]) 13:52, 11 February 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :::Well, the lead does mention his blog, and there is a whole section about it in the body of the article. Moreover, a great number (too many, in my view) of the citations are to his blog. What is it you would like to see changed? ] (]) 13:58, 11 February 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :::Bonewah is correct that the blog is already mentioned extensively here, and perhaps cited as a source far too much. But AnonMoos is also dead wrong about the so-called "controversies." This was a nasty debate a few years ago already. Cole's blog certainly made him more visible, but he was already sought after as an expert even before his blog based on his academic credentials. He was president of MESA; he is a prolific researcher and Persianist expert, and he is frequently quoted and interviewed on Middle East topics. To claim that his little spat with Jonah Goldberg or whoever in the blogosphere is the only thing that gave him publicity is just flat out wrong. Anyway anything you do want to add to the article, please give reliable sources for. Thanks. ] (]) 16:34, 11 February 2010 (UTC) | |||
| == Jewish? == | |||
| Is Cole of Jewish descent? - ] (]) 19:17, 10 May 2011 (UTC) | |||
| :Why do you care? ] (]) 12:31, 27 June 2011 (UTC) | |||
| ::No. See his autobiography (on his blog). --Dawud | |||
| == PBS/Fox == | == PBS/Fox == | ||
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PBS/Fox
Cole was concurrently working for PBS and Fox Broadcasting (Fox News, i think). PBS fired or otherwise discontinued him after his remarks, i think on Fox, about his personal gut discomfort with some characteristically Islamic garb, i think in the context of flying. I'm not sure how much coverage there was beyond Fox and PBS, but it seems likely to be worth mention in the article, even if we don't furnish any detail, if only to clarify that the article's Juan Cole (and e.g. not the other John Cole another colleague asked about on this talk page) is he.
--Jerzy•t 08:46, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
Cole responds to Misplaced Pages content (though indirectly)
In the "autobiography" section of his blog, Cole "vigorously disputes the baseless and misleading editorializing in his current Misplaced Pages article that his views of international politics in the twenty-first century are still shaped by his youthful Baha’i misadventure." I'm afraid this was my doing--I sincerely believed this to be true, even obvious. Instead,
- Cole was all along an American liberal, and had thought the Baha’is were on his side, which he discovered to be an error, at least with regard to the secretive and duplicitous leadership. His political and social philosophy is rooted in American traditions going back to the Transcendentalists and going forward to Martin Luther King, Michael Harrington, and other progressives, and all along has been.
I apologize for the misunderstanding, and will try to edit the text in line with the above (unless some more neutral person can be enlisted to do it first). Incidentally, Cole writes that he "now not interested in organized religion as a personal matter." --Dawud
Cole responded to the Walsh/Cockburn Charges at his Blog
I place a link to Professor Cole's response to Mr. Walsh. Since he replied it is fair to make a note of it. --Juliettedorrius —Preceding undated comment added 17:24, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
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Censorship
This page needs to balance Cole's claim of being anti-imperialist with his support and love for Muslim colonisation of Europe in the Middle Ages. You can't just have a page of the good things people call themselves, imagine the pages for world leaders.
I was reverted twice by different users for no reason. The other time I was told that I had submitted an "unreliable source". The source was written by Cole. Logically, if that is an unreliable source, delete all 19 references from the article that were sourced from juancole.com
I have also been threatened with a block for "personal attacks" (telling someone to justify their cherry picking so they don't appear to be a hypocrite). Very frail users are getting upset. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr0p th3 pr3ssur3 (talk • contribs) 04:48, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
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