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Controversy section?

Considering we could fill a separate article on this man's controversies - where is the section? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.30.19.4 (talk) 17:23, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

As far as I understand they're mostly limited to Zac Goldsmith's election campaign, and the Conservatives have pretty much disaffiliated themselves with that now that the campaign's finished - the article on the election has plenty of information on it so I don't think a section on his main page would be that necessary (though perhaps the Conservative campaign against him is worth a mention in the candidacy section here). 14:15, 9 May 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.26.117.171 (talk)

MP expenses scandal

Why is it that the references to this MP fraudulently claiming expenses on promotional material have been removed? 86.63.26.124 (talk) 15:54, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

I've reinstated this paragraph as this is an issue covered for all other MPs - maybe it should have its own paragraph? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Richylondon (talk • contribs) 21:07, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

From the recent coverage, this appears to be merely a technical violation, with the Standards Authority saying it could be construed as urging addressees to support him. That is very different from saying he "lauded" himself. In any event, the text as written did not reflect the source and was not written from a neutral point of view. On top of that, it is not clear that this violation is significant enough for inclusion, seeing as though the authorities thought it a minor enough infraction they didn't announce their conclusions publicly (Khan did). -Rrius (talk) 04:29, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

But certainly merits inclusion in this page given the furure over MPs exepnses - what is especilly relevant is that despite being censured the first time - he proceeded to make the same mistake again.

It should be left in but I have no objections to a different supporting source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Richylondon (talk • contribs) 07:02, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Its worthless anf not noteworthy at all, you are the only person that is repeatedly adding it, in fact this envelope s#tory is you whole wikipedia edits since april, multiple users have removed it and found it to be not noteworthy. Off2riorob (talk) 17:15, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

In addition to the one we were talking about, there is also one about repaying £500 for letters that had a Labour rose them and one about £2,500 (IIRC) for greeting cards that were paid after a dishonest resubmission. The former is even more trivial than the original technical violation we were talking about, but I think the other one is a close call. -Rrius (talk) 22:13, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Any significant expense repayments are surely notable, particularly if expenses have been abused for party political purposes. It really is concerning to see such information removed for no good reason, and I notice that one editor doing so appears to be a single purpose account.--Shakehandsman (talk) 16:05, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Who does he shadow

Clegg or Ken Clarke?Phd8511 (talk) 10:36, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

London Marathon Tweet

I added this section as it was widely reported in a significant number of mainstream newspapers, and attracted considerable attention including on his appearance on Have I Got News For You. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Grahambrown607 (talk • contribs) 20:00, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Left Wing???

'Situated on the political left, '

Citation needed please.

' Khan was awarded the "Newcomer of the Year Award" at the 2005 Spectator Parliamentarian of the Year Awards "for the tough-mindedness and clarity with which he has spoken about the very difficult issues of Islamic terror". '

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Requested change of "Mayoral Election" to "mayoral election"

"Mayoral Election" is not a proper noun or proper name, even in the context of "the 2016 mayoral election"; see the article for London mayoral election, 2016. I would like to request that "Mayoral Election", which appears in the intro, be changed to "mayoral election". Tigercompanion25 (talk) 22:39, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

Also, I've never encountered a "page protection" this severe. I'm an experienced editor with thousands of edits but must nonetheless request the intervention of an administrator to correct a simple capitalization error. And all because a few editors have been a bit premature in calling him "Mayor". This protection seems vastly disproportionate to the problem. "But it's only until tomorrow", you say. All the more reason to not block virtually all editing on the page while waiting for one aspect of the page (the certification of the results) to be settled tomorrow. Tigercompanion25 (talk) 22:43, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

Never mind, I did it myself now that the protection's been lifted. Tigercompanion25 (talk) 04:05, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

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He is already done with his acceptance speech, please add following in the infobox:

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References

1. http://www.bbc.com/news/election-2016-36232392

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He's won the election.

90.207.191.240 (talk) 23:55, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

He's the Mayor of London. Look at this link http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2016-36232392 Govindaharihari (talk) 01:04, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

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Sadiq Khan election

In the article, <https://en.wikipedia.org/Sadiq_Khan>, it should be noted that "...election attracted international attention because of his status as the first Muslim mayor of a major Western city" is incorrect. It should be noted that the Calgary mayor, (in Alberta, Canada) Naheed Nenshi <https://en.wikipedia.org/Naheed_Nenshi> assumed office in 2010. Calgary is certainly a major western city and Nenshi deserves the attribution of 'first Muslim mayor' .204.83.110.173 (talk) 15:16, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Plus Alija Behmen, a Sunni Muslim, was mayor of Sarajevo from 2009 to 2013. —Pinnerup (talk) 20:13, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Religion

Sadiq Khan is a Sunni Muslim; Source: In These Times

For this reason please change his religion to: Sunni Islam

Religion: Sunni Islam — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.228.144.83 (talk) 15:17, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

The reference does not look entirely reliable... Midnightblueowl (talk) 15:50, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Hi. I seen many links saying he is a Muslim and himself saying that also but nothing about Sunni affiliation. Govindaharihari (talk) 15:24, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Another source: http://www.sadiqkhan.org.uk

"The event was opened with prayers from Imam Nadeem, from the Sunni Muslim Association based in Tooting."

This website is: Promoted by DJ Bellamy on behalf of Sadiq Khan and Tooting Labour Party, all at 273 Balham High Road, London, SW17 7BD.

How many sources do you like to see? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.228.144.83 (talk) 16:03, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

None of those you offer are convincing me - have you got one where he says - I am a Sunni muslim? - the press and anyone that is not a sunni muslim are not bothered, he is a Muslim , that is it really unless - and he is not even a regular mosque attendee, where does he practice? . Govindaharihari (talk) 05:52, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

Why is this mentioned in the first line of the article and not placed under "Personal life"? David Cameron's article does not begin "...is an Evangelical Christian British politician..."; it should read "Sadiq Khan is a British Labour Party politician"— religion is not the most defining facet of his career. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.35.128.254 (talk) 02:08, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

Yes, sunni muslim should not be in the header intro at all. Govindaharihari (talk) 05:46, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

References

1. In These Times: The Bittersweetness of Tidying Up, 27 February 2016, retrieved 7 May 2016
2. In These Times: The Bittersweetness of Tidying Up, 27 February 2016, retrieved 7 May 2016
3. ]: Sadiq hosts Eid celebrations, retrieved 7 May 2016
4. ]: Contact, retrieved 7 May 2016

Was not Transport Secretary

A small mistake needs correcting under 3.1 Government minister: in the second paragraph, after "promotion" (from being Minister of State for Communities - without attending Cabinet meetings - to becoming Minister of State for Transport, attending Cabinet, and member of the Privy Council), "as Transport Secretary" should be deleted. The Secretary of State for Transport, or Transport Secretary, was Geoff Hoon.

Fbrutsch (talk) 15:40, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Wrong tense

The initial sentence states Sadiq Khan has served as mayor of London. This misses the point. Sadiq Khan is currently serving as mayor of London. Change the tense to present progressive, for as far as I can tell (no native speaker), present perfect indicates presently 'finished'/completed things. Either change this article or change Barack Obama's, which states that he is serving as president of the United States of America.

I would have fixed this myself, but I am not allowed to edit this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.35.244.44 (talk) 15:52, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

There is no problem here. "who has served... since" works fine in this context. English can be a perplexing language, and some of its rules don't seem to make much sense to non-native speakers, but that's just the way it is. Midnightblueowl (talk) 17:52, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

He is not actually officially the mayor until Monday morning, as explained here and by the relevant legislation. Cordless Larry (talk) 22:15, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Unsupported and misleading statement

The current wiki article claims that "For his first fifteen months' service in HM Government, he chose not to draw a ministerial incremental salary, having made sufficient money as a lawyer" which suggests that he did not take the salary increase following his promotion to government. This statement is not supported by any evidence / citation, furthermore the article linked in the same paragraph merely suggests that he did not take a £1000 increase (for all MPs that year) but was still taking a ministerial salary of £104,050. Totally misleading! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Popoqoq (talk • contribs) 17:09, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Not the first Muslim Mayor of a major Western city

It is stated in the article that various press sources claim that Mr. Khan is the first muslim mayor of a major Western city. While the press sources may claim this, the accuracy of this claim can be debated. His colleague Ahmed Aboutaleb, see https://en.wikipedia.org/Ahmed_Aboutaleb, has been mayor of Rotterdam since 2008. While Rotterdam is not in the same league as London, based in size, history, and economical importance (it is home to Europe's largest port for example) it certainly could be argued to be a major western city. Moreover Mr. Aboutaleb background and career has important parallels with Mr. Khan's background and career. But more than to debate what would qualify as a major European city, I think it is important to mention Mr. Khan is not the only muslim mayor, as this as context gives a more honest overview of the acceptance of muslim politicians in Western societies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.100.95.132 (talk) 19:19, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Presume that Calgary would also be a major Western city ... Naheed Nenshi became mayor of Calgary (Alberta Canada) in October 25, 2010. Naheed Nenshi was also the first straight Muslim Mayor of a major city to be Grand Marshall of the Calgary Pride (24.76.216.245 (talk) 00:19, 8 May 2016 (UTC))

Also Alija Behmen, a Sunni Muslim, was mayor of Sarajevo, the capital of Bosnia and Herzegovina, from 2009 to 2013. —Pinnerup (talk) 20:13, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

• Sarajevo is not a major western city and Calgary is in Canada, isn't it? Govindaharihari (talk) 07:44, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

I guess there's a question about what is "Western" Yes, Calgary is in Canada; I think everyone would agree that is western! On the other hand, although European, Sarajevo is a predominantly Muslim city, in a predominantly Muslim country that was once a part of the Ottoman empire, isn't it? I think that means that having a Muslim mayor would be somewhat less notable in that case. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.52.20.163 (talk) 20:28, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

Cordoba in Spain was at one point the largest city in the world. During that time the entire administration was Muslim. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.84.78.51 (talk) 14:51, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Plenty of reliable sources state that Khan is the first mayor of a major Western city, so that information should be included in the article. Without wishing to belittle the cities in question, neither Calgary not Rotterdam could be considered a major Western city in the same league as New York City, London, or Paris. They simply don't have the population size or socio-political influence to be considered "major". Similarly, while Sarajevo is European, like much of Eastern Europe it would not be considered "Western" (which tends to encompass Western Europe, the U.S., Canada, Australia, and New Zealand). Similarly, while parts of the Iberian peninsula were once under Islamic control, it would be misleading to deem them "Western" in the form that they existed at that period. Midnightblueowl (talk) 13:09, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Midnightblueowl Rotterdam is a major city in Europe with over a million people, second largest in Holland. Sarajevo is a European capital. The only thing which is misleading is to include patently false information because a particular journal is deemed "reliable". We cannot "adapt" the content of a false statement/mistake in a source to make it less false. Therefore it should best be excluded. Also, the (your) definition of Western is controversial. Limiting the West to European countries which were not under Soviet influence (not sure if you wish to exclude Greece and Cyprus as well) and non-hispanic white North America is not something which will be deemed acceArguyptable by many people. Asilah1981 (talk) 15:37, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

The only patently false claim being introduced here is the idea that the non capital cities of Rotterdam and Calgary are remotely relevant to the issue of whether Khan is the first Muslim to become mayor of a major Western capital. I don't think there's much controversy about not including a 300k city situated in a small Eastern Bloc state rarely if ever considered to be economically, culturally or politically Western as a "major Western capital" either. If you wish to argue the widely-accepted definitions of Western used by Misplaced Pages and its sources are "not something which will be deemed acceptable", may I suggest there are more appropriate talk pages to start on.Dtellett (talk) 21:51, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Rotterdam and Calgary are not major Western capitals. Their population is incomparable to London. Rotterdam has 619,879. London has 8,538,689. Calgary has 1,096,833. Sarajevo is a non-EU, non-EEA city in the former Eastern Bloc. We should report what the sources say. AusLondonder (talk) 02:28, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Here in Misplaced Pages we go by what WP:RS say and they are saying that Khan is the first Muslim mayor of a major western city.--obi2canibe 10:12, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

obi2canibe Actually, no. No source says "major western city". Major western capital is fine, if we exclude Spain's Islamic period.Asilah1981 (talk) 08:56, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

@Asilah1981: Actually, they do: AOL/PA; CNN; Evening Standard; FT; Herald; LA Times; LBC; Mail/PA; Mirror; NBC/AP; News Statesman; RT; and The Sun. Your second point shows that you have not understood how Misplaced Pages works.--obi2canibe 14:00, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

obi2canibe, no need to be a smart ass. I know full well how wikipedia works and there are multiple ways of dealing with media reporting false or questionable statements such as this one. It happens all the time. Asilah1981 (talk) 19:13, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

@Asilah1981:It's annoying to be proven wrong.--obi2canibe 15:42, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

Khan was Agnostic

In 2010 Khan stated on the BBC's Question Time that, when it was suggested he was a Muslim, he was an "agnostic" hence not a Muslim (obviously). The source provided is the exact QT episode air date and a YT video of Khan stating he was agnostic (thus not a Muslim as that's a contradiction in terms). This information is informative and has biographical importance; it shows Khan was agnostic at one point of his life then came (back?) to religion. It also shows he has had a religious journey, but more importantly is a factional point - sourced by his own words from his own mouth. I realise some editors may want to remove this information to push readers into thinking he may be a religious extremist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MKPoosh (talk • contribs) 16:03, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

Sadiq has stated that he is certainly not agnostic about his faith and was referring to his position on the nikab on his website No credible third party source has suggested Sadiq Khan has ever been anything other than a Muslim. Snide remarks about other editors intentions reflect very bad on you when you are wrong. Dtellett (talk) 17:14, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

You cannot be both an agonistic and a Christian/Muslim/Hindu it's a self contradiction. You cannot be "agnostic against this or that". Khan was asked "as a Muslim" and he replied "I am an agnostic": he was very clear. People change their beliefs all the time and it's interesting to see the evolution. "No credible third party source has suggested Sadiq Khan has ever been anything other than a Muslim" - and yet he said it on live TV. The source is there. If you want to keep deleting a factual item regarding Khan's evolution of beliefs (which, actually, explains why he supports gay marriage) then there is clearly nothing I can do. Khan replied to his own comment, and it would have been far better to point out that he claimed he was misinterpreted and link his response and allow readers to determine whether or not that is a believable response instead of arbitrarily deciding to take Khan's position .MKPoosh (talk) 15:32, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

@MKPoosh: You appear to be not understanding. Again, in the video, the presenter asks Khan his position on women and religious dress. He replies he is "agnostic". Arguably, that could possible be misunderstood to mean he was stating he is agnostic about religion - but it could also mean he was stating he was agnostic about religious dress. He has clarified that it was certainly the second and all the evidence supports that. I do not see the link to his support for marriage equality. AusLondonder (talk) 15:42, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

@AusLondoner: No, you are not understanding. You cannot be agnostic about a dress. We all know what being agnostic means. Stop trying to redefine words.

Thank you for your response, it's appreciated. I do understand perfectly though. Khan's reply is not very credible as the idea of being agnostic about a religious piece of dress is nonsensical - as agnosticism is the claim one cannot know the existence of God's or not thus has no opinion - is the statement "I'm agnostic about the Holy Spirit" coherent: no. It makes literally no sense for him to claim he is agnostic about a certain rule as that quickly snowballs into how he can know any religious knowledge. The presenter asserted Khan was a Muslim and Khan "corrected" him by saying "I'm an agnostic" this clearly caused a stir and he "corrected himself" days later as stated above - but this is an encyclopedia and should include the full account of this "incident" not simply accept Khan's reply which may or may not be true (not for one to decide). All information should be recorded for historical purposes and the readers can decide for themselves the truth of the matter, surely. Maybe Khan is telling the truth, maybe he told the truth when he said he was agnostic and is being a politician - I don't think that's for me to decide: surely the function of this website is to present accurate information and allow others to decide, if the point of contention is still important but un-resolvable.MKPoosh (talk) 16:00, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Whilst the most common use of the term agnostic relates to someone not knowing whether a particular God exists or not, other uses are possible. The Oxford English Dictionary states that another meaning is "(In a non-religious context) having a doubtful or non-committal attitude towards something" eg "until now I’ve been fairly agnostic about electoral reform" AusLondonder (talk) 16:06, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Furthermore, I point you in the direction of WP:DISPUTE which sets out methods to resolve content disputes if you wish to seek input from others. AusLondonder (talk) 16:07, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Frankly with no credible sources having ever suggested he has ever been agnostic about religion despite him being a prominent public figure noted particularly for his faith, I don't think an RFC or any other form of dispute resolution would be worthwhile. Misplaced Pages is not a place for editors to push their own novel interpretations of primary sources, particularly not when said interpretation relies on apparent ignorance of the meaning of the words used. Dtellett (talk) 17:32, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

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Birth Place Tooting London to United Arab Emirates 95.151.204.199 (talk) 13:01, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

Not done: Hi @95.151.204.199: He wasn't born in the UAE, he was born in Tooting, London. Your edit request is factually incorrect. st170e 14:12, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

Pronunciation

How do you pronounce his name in Urdu? Even the English pronunciation is not mentioned in this article. --2.245.200.11 (talk) 17:09, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

Edit-war

NotAnnCoulter, you're currently at 5RR. The material added is rather slanted against Khan ("rejected by the public") and unsourced. I would really appreciate if you would stop reverting. GAB 21:03, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

1. BBC Question Time 22nd July 2010: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh-3-GDdP-c, 4:27

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