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Fails WP:BIO, a self-published source cited 8 times, another source repeatedly found to be unreliable at RS/N (Arutz Sheva) cited twice more and an interview in an online magazine does not notability make. Can find zero mention of this person in mainstream reliable sources. Nableezy 03:27, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Nableezy 03:33, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

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Note: This debate has been included in the list of Israel-related deletion discussions. Nableezy 26 July 2016 (UTC)

• Comment I went to Google's Israeli site, hoping to find the spelling of Mr. Satri's name in Hebrew to help find additional sources (as I've done at other AfDs). Instead, I found page after page of results, hundreds of websites with identical content. In English. "'I receive regular threats from both Arab Israelis and Palestinians, via social media and by phone,' said Mahdi Satri, 17, a resident of Jadeidi-Makr, east of Acre." Almost like somebody has spammed his story all over the web. Very disappointing. I didn't find a single page about him in Hebrew. Nor anything resembling original reporting. Perhaps an editor in Israel can find some local coverage, because I had hoped to and wasn't able to. I'm withholding judgment for now, but this is starting to smell like a hoax to me. — Malik Shabazz /_Stalk 04:13, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

CommentI didn't find anything in Hebrew. Also I searched by the village name and nothing pops up in local news. So, I guess as for now it's a one time news event. BTW, hundreds of website with identical content may be an outcome of some article published by Reuters or similar news agency. Their articles are being copied over and over again with the same content. It's like a stock for articles for sites, that do not have their own journalists. Arthistorian1977 (talk) 12:11, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Comment Here's an Algemeiner story about him, where they interviewed him, not copy paste from other sites: http://www.algemeiner.com/2016/07/24/arab-israeli-teen-fearful-yet-undeterred-by-threats-from-fellow-muslims-palestinians-for-outspoken-zionism-know-that-i-died-a-dreamer-interview/ Sir Joseph 13:42, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

That is in the article already, and it is the only source that is even slightly indicative of notability. It isn't enough. Zero 13:44, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

• Delete unless notability can be established. At the moment the evidence of notability is essentially nonexistent. Incidentally, it is blindingly obvious that is not a reliable source. Zero 09:29, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
• Delete. Another source, of the exiguous number found, namely ENLACE JUDÍO MÉXICO, egregiously fails RS as well. One statement by an Arab adolescent in a village in Israel clearly does not constitute news, any more than Hanan Schlesinger warrants a page simply on the strength of his declaration, as a settler and rabbi, that he defends the opposite thesis, Palestinian rights.I did add news re Schlesinger's activism on a page relevant to a wider discourse, about a year ago, by the way. One cannot create bios on meme reproduction as here, but only when a critical mass is reached on on the subject over time.Nishidani (talk) 10:28, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

*Delete at the moment. Merge for now into Muslim_supporters_of_Israel. Unfortunately, he can get to local news if something happens to him. For now, I didn't find anything in Hebrew. His story can be an interesting part is someone will be up to task to expand Muslim_supporters_of_Israel#Acceptance_of_Israel_among_Israeli_Arabs. Arthistorian1977 (talk) 12:14, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

• Merge for now into Muslim_supporters_of_Israel, there are sources that state that he is a supporter and the fact that he is part of Likud kiddies and being attacked for his views should be fine for inclusion into that article. If more original sources can be found to expand, then we can revisit this again in the future. Sir Joseph 13:48, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
• Merge per Sir Joseph and Arthistorian1977.--Bolter21 (talk to me) 15:35, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

A merge would require some actual reliable third-party sources about this person. All that exists about the supposed subject of this article is an interview in which the supposed subject makes unsubstantiated and self-aggrandizing claims. There is nothing in this article that belongs anywhere on Misplaced Pages. Im not even sure this person exists. nableezy - 15:43, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

The Algemeiner has an interview with him. Sir Joseph 15:49, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Ya, Im aware that Algemeiner has published an interview with somebody with this story. I cant find any type of verification for anything the person that gives this story anywhere. You would think such an unusual set of events would be in more well-known sources like the Jerusalem Post, or the Times of Israel, Yedioth Ahronoth. But its not. Its a NY based web magazine that has an interview with somebody who says they are in Israel. Funny how that works out. nableezy - 16:23, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

• Keep Appears to be a group of anti-Israel pro-Palestine editors wikiwashing a story that has gained traction in pro-israeli news sources. Bolter21 believes that the use of criminal murder of a sleeping child as a terrorist tactic condemned by US state department is "not notable". Malik Shabazz says video of a Afghan youth pledging allegience to Islamist terrorist organization is not evidence of a religious motivated terrorist attack. Nableezy also has a long history of deleting content which defames terrorists or supports counter-terrorism efforts. Excluding pro-Israel sources violates the spirit of NPOV which is include all views, not delete the politically incorrect views of a topic. To doubt the very existence of the person shows further bias against the subject Bachcell (talk) 16:06, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Wtf are you babbling about? What pro-Israel source are people excluding? nableezy - 16:23, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Nableezy, please stay civil. Debresser (talk) 16:58, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Civility is more than the meaning of the acronyms we use. nableezy - 06:48, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

• Keep A notable voice in the wilderness. There are sources too. This will probably never be a large article, but that is not a per-requisite. Debresser (talk) 16:58, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
• Keep

The idea to merge into Muslim supporters of Israel is, in itself, argument to keep. In that entire article, and specifically in the Israel section, not one youth is listed, let alone in the nature, fervor, and methodologies of Satri’s pro-Israel advocacy. The fact that Satri, since age 12, has basically stood alone against physical violence and death threats (including from his own village, Hamas, and those in Ramallah), makes this notable. The only question is, when Sarti is murdered and a Misplaced Pages article is written about him, how long will it take for the Wikiwashing debate to ensue that the article should be merged with Israeli-Palestinian conflict (2015-present) or List_of_violent_incidents_in_the_Israeli–Palestinian_conflict,_? KamelTebaast 18:36, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

• Delete, pr nom, (Btw, when I was 17, I was 100% pro-Israeli, too!!) Huldra (talk) 21:13, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

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