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Archieved my discussions

I archieved my talk page, to see the old discussions, please check to the right. CharonX/talk 00:17, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

My reason for opposing the German userbox solution

You can see my reason, and what I am trying to do to halt it, here. I look foreward to your comments.
—Lady Aleena talk/contribs 23:04, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: Thanks for the revert

No probs. — FireFox _{19:25, 04 August '06}

Possible Userbox Solution

1. Nice to see some as bad at spelling as me.

2. Have fun on you break.

This is a form letter, please don't reply directly. Do, however, feel free to discuss this solution I've come up with.

I've made an unofficial place for all User Boxes (hopefully) safe from overzealous Admins. Feel free to add any you like, edit any there, or just list your already made userboxes there. Also feel free to edit the main page (the user page) in any way that you think might help. Please note, however, that this is a user page and not an official Misplaced Pages page, so almost any User Box will be tolerated as long as it's within reason. UserBox 02:58, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

ABUSIVE DICTATORSHIP sysop report

Hi CharonX, I'd like to report an outrageously abusive behavior from one of the EN.WIKI sysop. This is User:Cyde Weys. First he agressed my big brother on his talk page, telling nonsense like "you'd better go to myspace", he didn't welcomed him but attacked him without reason. My bro' answered him on his talk that he only registered the English Misplaced Pages for 48H and to let him go, my brother told me that you even came on his talk page and told to Cyde Weys to calm down and to follow the Not Bite Noob policy. Then this sysop answered you by threatening my bro that "he'd better edit articles in 48H". Today my bro had edited a bunch of articles and he also answered Cyde Weys on his own talk page, that he wanna be free and to go troll someone else. And guess what? The Cyde Weys came and BLOCKED him for 24H WITHOUT REASON!! JUST BECAUSE HE WANTED! he told him that he had blocked him for trolling and being impolite???? This is crazy man!! My big bro' did anything bad he only registered and edited a few articles (contrib), and this is Cyde Weys that came FLAMED HIM, TROLLED HIM and HAD BEEN AGRESSIVE with him with no reason!!! This is crazy! This guy is totally insane! Who the hell this guy thinks he is? Is it the sheriff?? Is this guy really allowed to act like a dick and be a TOTAL DICTATOR just because he is sysop?! He come says fuck off, you say him to calm down and he blocks you! What's the hell? This is crazy man. Where can I report this incident please? Is it possible to remove the adminship ability to a bad sysop? Thanks. Paris By Night 13:45, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

First of all, please calm down. Take a deep breath. Better? Ok. Cyde might have been a bit harsh on Buenaparte Social Club in his initial message, considering he registered only a a few days ago - this was my reason to point him to WP:BITE which suggest cutting newbies some extra slack. Still, Buenaparte Social Club's reaction was - let's be honest here - out of scale and borderlining a personal attack (see WP:NPA). Following another uncivil comment (calling others a troll is not nice) Cyde decided to use the block-hammer, which is a valid option for any sysop. Personally I would recommend letting the issue rest, less stress for you and your brother and Cyde, but if you insist, I suppost you can use Template:Unblock to contest the block. CharonX/talk 14:16, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your answer. I think that I will let it go, a friend of my brother told me that no admins here will dare oppose to Cyde as they're both sysops and that they will defend him against my brother, so it was useless. However, telling a new comer to leave and head for myspace instead of welcoming him still sounds like a Personal Attack to me. Also I was suggered to let it go or this Cyde will seek and find a reason for blocking me too if I dare resist his leadership. So I think it's useless. Thank you. Paris By Night 15:12, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Civil Dialog

Charon - As you can now see on Cyde's talk page (you might have to use the history to figure out the latest), I have agreed to cooperate. However, I hardly think that I was the source of the head-ache here. I saw a wall of agression coming to userspace and attempted to slow it down so that more thought could go into implementation. Unfortunately, in these situations, you can't just say "Come on guys, let's talk," because they just say "Shut up, we're moving on." So I feel I had to be a jerk to get their attention, which I sort of accomplished, maybe. The real problem is that there is no rhyme or reason to how they are treating userboxes, hence someone's comments about fascism. I would MUCH PREFER that we work on the details more to get some consensus before running headlong into a solution that was potentially much worse than the original problem. Without some thought, we are headed to a world with the same (or worse) divisive and inflammatory userboxes, scattered and tolerated broadly, with little recourse. On top of that the good userboxes will also be inconsistently named, scattered all over creation with long, weird names that only confuse people and make them less effective. --NThurston 14:02, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

As I said earlier, sorry for being so grouchy - I was having a head- and a toochache, but I guess that's no exuse. Also, having taken part in the userbox wars, I tend to react negatively when I think somebody might, even if unintentionally threaten to inflame the issue again. But let's get back to the discussion. If I read your post correctly you have two main issues with the current practise: Firstly, that "divisive and inflammatory" userboxes are being moved to userspace, allowing them to stay there while they would have been deleted if they remained inside templatespace. And secondly, that the other userboxes (i.e. the good ones) end up scattered inside multiple archives with longer or more difficult names. Correct? CharonX/talk 14:30, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Almost, but not quite. Personally, I don't really care whether there are divisive or inflammatory userboxes (much less where they are located). However, apart from my feelings, GUS doesn't do anything to get rid of them (presumably the goal of some). So, if the point of GUS was primarily to be a compromise, all it really accomplishes in its current form is that the 'bad ones' aren't in template space anymore. And, you have my second point correct - the cost of this policy is that whatever usefulness there is in 'good' userboxes is greatly diminished, under the current approach. So, I doubt greatly that the cost-benefit equation works in favor of this being a good idea. Hence, the Simple userbox solution - declare that Template:User is not really template space, but is actually an extension of userspace. Effectively the same benefit, but at a much lower cost. --NThurston 14:38, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

But I am willing to cooperate to work on other ways to reduce the cost of GUS to 'good' boxes.--NThurston 14:39, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Currently, the GUS patrol is working on userfying all of the automotive-related userboxes, which are hardly devisive or inflammatory. I fail to see why that makes a positive difference to Misplaced Pages. --NThurston 14:41, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Part of the issue is that it is hard to draw a precise line between "good" (NPOV, non divisive & inflammatory) and "bad" (POV, or D&I) boxes. What one person considers perfectly okay the next guy will guy apeshit about. There are people who insist that Bugs Bunny is technically running around naked and should be forced to wear pants. There are other people who truely don't understand how anybody could be offended by them having sex in the public. Drawing the line for "good" boxes is almost impossible to do, as there will almost always be somebody that feels offended and objects. So the safest way is to draw a precise line, minimizing what could be (intentionally or unintentionally) misunderstood or misinterpreted. So far, the best solution for that was to minimize the things that are allowed (e.g. official & project related boxes) and move everything else to userspace. CharonX/talk 22:57, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

British Royalty

Template:BRoy

Thanks for the invitation, but I admit I hardly know anything about english royalty, so I'll decline. CharonX/talk 22:58, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

User Copyright

Go for it. --Pilotguy 20:38, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Reverts

I found an error on User:CharonX/Userboxes/User_christian done by the Kitten Vandal and reverted it.

--BrainiacOutcast

Drini and the CVU deletion

You, like so many other Wikipedians, seem to have felt that Drini's actions in the CVU deletion proccess were wholly inappropriate and did not follow policy. As a result, I'm forming an ad-hoc group of sorts composed of people interested in removing Drini. If you'd like to be involved, just drop me a note. ShortJason 20:08, 1 September 2006 (UTC)