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Is Ed out of control?

Hey Herostratus! As an administrator, what are your thoughts on User:Ed g2s and his actions regarding his interpretation of the Fair Use rule concerning logos? He's been going left and right deleting logo images outside a team's webpage because he thinks that they are decoration, and now has threatened to block anyone who tries to revert him. Isn't this going a BIT too far? Dknights411 19:23, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Actually, Kelly Martin just blocked a user for re-inserting images. Johntex\ 05:40, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Two Barnstars for you I LOVE the new Defcon Meter

This is to say great job! Æon 21:29, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Not a prob Hero! Enjoy the drink! Æon 23:49, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

A smile for you...

Michael has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Smile to others by adding {{subst:smile}}, {{subst:smile2}} or {{subst:smile3}} to their talk page with a friendly message. Happy editing!

Policy

Policy pages are merely descriptive of what the policy is. Policy can be announced anywhere, a talk page, a mailing list etc. The pages involved (collectively) had been reverted numerous times, and I was advised to make this warning as the situation was getting out of hand. As for whether Kelly will go through with a block, see User_talk:Cardsplayer4life#Blocked. ed g2s • talk 13:51, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

This still doesn't address the issue about how one interprets said policy. You can describe a policy all you want, but it is the interpretation of the policies and guidelines by editiors that ultimatly comes through, NOT the policy itself. Dknights411 16:58, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Heh. Thanks for the Barnstar, that was neat. :) (Cardsplayer4life 18:30, 9 August 2006 (UTC))

If anyone explains it, let me know too

• From your question, I've had similar wonderings, the only thing I can think of comes down to my own semantic interpretations. Based on WP:5P #3, WP is free content...under GDFL and may be distributed... could mean either:

A) Distributed means available online for instant "distribution" on an as needed basis for the part you want to get. See also, fluid, ever changing, moving target, etc. Even in the event of copyright violations, real or perceived, as soon as a correction is made, the situation changes. See? All better now, MrLawyer.

B) Distributed means to actually take a snapshot of then-current content offline and continue to use it in this manner for some period of time. Second verse, opposite the first. A future edit, and thus not reflected in the copy, may correct a copyright or other potentially legal violation, and now you don't have it. Whose fault is that? We fixed it on WP, go sue MrRemoteUser.

Either way, like I've said elsewhere, this is a trainwreck. Bad feelings, bad definition of current policy, bad communication of pending policy, bad actions taken by (probably in good faith, but still self-) appointed Defenders of the Wiki. Now there are so many issues in the mix, it will probably never be resolved to anyone's satisfaction. Even potential solutions like this (which could be seen as too long) and that (which could be seen as too vague or too broad) may never get off the ground, because of the players, the history and the emotions. There's no doubt in my mind that WP will suffer because of this, it's just a matter of to what extent and who will pay the price.  — MrDolomite | Talk 00:15, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

• Who knew? From this, it looks like the answer above is B)  — MrDolomite | Talk 07:09, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, that's the one real objection to fair use in general. However, it requires either (1) different versions for different fair-use-law countries, or (2) complying with the strictest fair-use laws, which probably means no fair use at all. If (2), I guess there should be software that scrubs out all non-free images before making the CD. Of course, the last things these kids need is a freaken laptop, unless its connected to the internet (and maybe not then). They need food, medicine, roads, phone lines, microloans, stable uncorrupt governance, agricultural education and assistance for their village, pencils, books, the time away from work to get an education, and teachers who can teach them to think and be intellectually disciplined (the opposite of a web-surfing mentality). But if all you have is a hammer, everything wants pounding. Herostratus 19:54, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Hello Herostratus

• Hello Herostratus. Thank you very much for the service awards. I like the new proposed system, and I shall wear the awards with pride and affection. Yours, Johntex\ 05:39, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Hello Herostratus Updated

• Hello Herostratus.

I was wondering why you deleted my wikipedia entry page, LewisEvans? I had read several others and thought it similar. LewisEvans\ 19:01, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

• Updated Friday 1st September 17:35 pm GMT

Thanks for the reply.

I created a page for myself, named "Lewis Evans (inventor)" http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Lewis_Evans_%28inventor%29&action=edit I then visited it later, and found it deleted, so I looked at the deletion log, http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Special:Log/delete&page=Lewis_Evans_(inventor) and it says you deleted it. I noticed the message about spam, namely "Misplaced Pages is not an advertising service. Promotional articles about yourself, your friends, your company or products; or articles created as part of a marketing or promotional campaign, may be deleted in accordance with our deletion policies. For more information, see Misplaced Pages:Spam." And can see that the page I created about my employer, FactSet, could have fallen foul of this. But the page I created about myself was not promotional, but factual. I have seen very many pages on wikipedia about private individuals which are far more promotional than mine was.

If you did delete it, please let me know why. If not, please let me know who did, and how I can restore my page.

Thanks very much

Lewis Evans

Hi

For what it's worth, I partially agree with your thoughts on Misplaced Pages and the Free Culture movement. Unfortunately, there's some bad blood in that movement between the GPL absolutists, who want to use things like the GPL as a weapon to force others to pry open their IP, and the BSD realists who want to share and share-alike the fruits of their labor (Although it's obvious that there are plenty of people who fall between those extremes on the continuum). I think that has some bearing on the conflict at hand.

When I heard for instance about promo photos (which are given out explicitly for free re-distribution) being eschewed for much lower quality "free" photos, I had a bad feeling about that. It's generally in a celebrity's interest to be shown from the best angle and in the best light; that's why they put out those promo photos. Now, let's say Misplaced Pages has some amateur shot of them that makes them look tired and 20 lbs overweight.

Someone uploads the better promophoto, but it gets removed, tagged for deletion, and then someone emails the celeb's publicist - "We'd like to use your promophoto, but you have to release it under the GFDL, etc. etc." They have their lawyer read it and they find out that they've basically got to give up all effective copyright rights, allowing folks to photoshop the photo, make the nose bigger, add a moustache, etc. But it's either that, or let themselves be represented by the bad light, too fat picture.

To me it seems a bit coercive, especially as Misplaced Pages's popularity grows, and I don't think being coercive is right. If free culture is to grow, it should grow on its merits. Does that mean my ideology is impure, and I should be purged? Kidding, maybe. Best, KWH 07:23, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Surreal

Your User Page

Your user page looks good, how'd you learn to make a page like that? Attic Owl 08:58, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion#Portal:Orkney

A portal created recently by Mallimak (talk · contribs) - the Orkney Portal - has been nominated for deletion. If you wish to take part in the discussion please contribute at:

• Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion#Portal:Orkney

Thanks. --Mais oui! 09:19, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

FHM lists

• Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/FHM lists

A deletion discussion that you participated in before has arisen again. Uncle G 00:39, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Discussion

I left a message at the discussion of the page you informed me about..hope this is what I was supposed to do :/ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sizzlenuts (talk • contribs) .

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heh

I'm glad someone got that joke. You did get the joke, right? The punchline is the edit summary. I finally found out the story so... Anomo 07:42, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Someone got recently deadmined (actually banned) for a love letter via email to an underage wikipedia member. Anomo 07:48, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks and you are one of a kind Hero!

Plus this one

The World of Normal Boys

Something just didn't sit right with this article. Then it dawned on me that the entire thing had a POV via proxy. That is, the piped wikilinks suggested things that the text didn't. I've tried to remove this POV and also the innapropriate categories. Do you think I did right? I'm unsure. --Monotonehell 10:59, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

I ended up just triming out all the heavy handed branding that was in the text of the article and made it more matter of fact. The previous edit was very accusative and just was not NPOV. No one's touched the article since so I guess I didn't upset anyone. --Monotonehell 02:19, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Block of User:Defax

In the block summary you stated that this user is "writing fake blocked templates to userpages, probably to cover puppet creations." However, the users are indeed real users and are blocked. --Chris (talk) 06:24, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

This discussion is continued at User talk:Crazycomputers. --Chris (talk) 07:03, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Getting in the Subcategory

How do you get a category under the subcategory? I ask this because the term Mulatto contains a larger list of people over the hapa, euasian, and blasian and would be better suited in a subcategory section.Americanbeauty925 06:25, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to attempt to do this approprietly because I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong, and I'm still awaiting a response to see how I may do this correctly. Thanks. Americanbeauty925 06:41, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

welcome message template

{{welcomeg}} - CobaltBlueTony 17:16, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

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