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User:Kylu/talkheader

I said the first thing!

>:D —$ΡЯΙNGεrαgђ (-¢|ε|Ŀ|T|♪-) 02:30, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Yay you! ~Kylu (u|t) 02:33, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Welcome back Kylu. Kevin_b_er 04:06, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Thankew! ~Kylu (u|t) 01:17, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

KYLUUUU!

Where were you!? Come back to IRC! I make the IRC not suck! :D --Steve-o 06:55, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh, hee, I've been on a bit, just not terribly much. Doctor says I'm not getting enough sleep, so I actually have a "bed time" now. Yes, at my age. Kinda embarassing, but the roommate is holding me to it. Ahwell. Not like lack of sleep is my biggest medical issue, ne? ~Kylu (u|t) 01:17, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Ohhh. Ok. Yay sleep! Ok, not to be bested by prophet... heres my thingy

Theres once was a user named kylu, who like to edit and undo, she slept really late, had a tired face, but now she... oh man. Nothing rhymes with kylu that has to do with sleeping. :\ Um. /me gives kylu an IOU for a couple of words. :D --Steve-o 02:50, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

But now she is eaten by a grue? --The Prophet Wizard of the Crayon Cake 20:18, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Hello??

Where are you?? Havent seen you or Jude on IRC in ages and I miss you guys! :( - Glen 11:39, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Jude's recovering from wikipediaholism and is currently not available for editing, though if something important comes up, tell me and I can pass along a message for you. :) As far as I go, see above note. ~Kylu (u|t) 01:17, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

A poem

Because I'm bored I wrote you a poem... I pore into this poem the very essence of my soul to express deep feelings of the world and nature of reality

There is a bucket
bucket bucket bucket all the way home
of
no wait I think (I'll fix it)   youwould 
think   wouldn't you (like a cup of coffee) no 
thanks I don't want 
to         think (about such discussing things)
And the stream continues down the 
trout      what for?
for            comfort.

The Prophet Wizard of the Crayon Cake

Thanks! o.o; ~Kylu (u|t) 01:17, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

I have questions again!

Hello Kylu. I hope you are not terribly sick. I am sorry for asking you all these questions all the time, but since you are my welcomer, you have sealed your fate.:D These are my questions: What is css and what do I have to do to get it? I have seen some people with it and I have no idea what it is. Also, how can I talk on IRC? And what is it? Is it something like IM with other Wikipedians? I have tried to get on it, but my computer will not allow me to. I don't know why. Thank you and have a nice day!!--Chili14 02:10, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

This being Misplaced Pages, you're probably referring to Cascading Style Sheets, which is basically a way to describe how to present the data given on a page (on Misplaced Pages, one made from HTML or, by extension, Wiki-markup). Now, if you're talking about a non-Misplaced Pages page (say like your myspace page) you'll have one CSS page that describes the style for everything, whereas if you're talking about your experience on Misplaced Pages, it'd be your personal monobook.css page. If you'd like, you can check out my monobook.css but it's basically bits and pieces stolen from others and modified to suit my own tastes. I'd probably suggest asking User:GeorgeMoney for specifics on CSS and such, since he seems to spend a lot of time on that sort of thing, and understands it, whereas I don't. :)

As far as IRC goes, check out Internet Relay Chat. It's not quite like an IM service, and very importantly it's definately not actually a web-application. IRC goes over a port (typically 6667) that has a habit of being blocked on firewalls quite a bit, so it's possible that if you're behind a router or firewall that IRC may not work for you. Assuming you've tried using the Java/Web based chat client on Misplaced Pages and it failed to work, I'll need to pester you for more information in order to get you on chat.

I'm not terribly worried about my health, it's just temporary. Soon enough this condition won't bother me at all. :) ~Kylu (u|t) 02:35, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

My Userpage

Could you create a userpage for me please??? If you do, I'll reward you with a {sorry, it's secret!!!}! Thanks--Bleed Span   PS make a few drop-downs, I'll put the information in!!!

I'll get to looking at it soon enough, but always figured that your userpage really should be made by you, so it's the way you want it. :) Pink it is, though! ~Kylu (u|t) 01:28, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

How about the markup, you know, the code???

Bleed Span  

See User talk:Kylu#Can you tell me how? below. :) ~Kylu (u|t) 01:34, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Category:Kurdish Terrorists

See: deletion log. Mind that the deleted category has a lowercase t for "terrorists" --Cat out 00:31, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

I assume you retagged it and someone else deleted it, hence redlink. Thanks for telling me. ~Kylu (u|t) 01:28, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Can you tell me how?

Can you tell me how to make a userpage like yours? I'd really really appreciate it and I'll give you a cookie! -The Euphemism of Life 20:14, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, here's how I did it:

1. Find someone's page that you really, really like, that has elements that you'd like on yours (I used Admrboltz and Master of Puppets mostly.)
2. Use a preview-sandbox (where you're just using the preview button and not actually saving any changes) to isolate the markup that's doing the part you like.
3. Blatantly pirate it, changing styles and colors as suits the rest of your page composition.

...seriously, that's how I made the page. I get people asking me all the time how the div stuff works, and quite honestly I have no clue, I just think it looks cool. I can make little userboxes/award templates by myself now, that's about it. :D

~Kylu (u|t) 01:34, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

That's exactly what I did - see my complete rip-off of Kylu's formatting. Cheers, Daniel.Bryant 07:27, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages mailing list

Kylu, I need help!! I signed up for the Misplaced Pages mailing list and the next day, I got 112 emails!! What is this about, and is there a way that I can get fewer emails? Thank you!!--Chili14 23:25, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Y'know, this may or may not be a terrible thing to admit, but I'm not subscribed to any of the mailing lists, and really have no desire to start. I do, however, know that there are "digest" versions of many maillists. I hate to give you a nothing-answer, but the best I can do is suggest checking m:Mailing list and contacting someone there. Sorry. :( ~Kylu (u|t) 00:26, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

On a completely unrelated note, what is the criteria for uploading images found on MySpace? Thanks.--Chili14 00:01, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

That one's easy.

If you see a picture that someone else uploaded to myspace, and they own it (they took the picture themselves), and they release all rights to it (and you can point to the note stating this), you're cool. If you mean a picture that you took and uploaded yourself, you can license it as GFDL or copyright-rights released, and you're cool.

Anything else, though, is most likely not cool, and please don't upload it.

Myspace is an ... interesting site, but the users tend to be somewhat lacking in copyright compliance. Take care. ~Kylu (u|t) 01:12, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

I think you might need THEM to send a note to permissions@wikimedia.org (or whatever it is, I forget), that is, a forwarded note from them to you and then from you onward doesnt' count. There's a page here that explains it... maybe this one: Misplaced Pages:Copyright_problems ... LMK if that wasn't enough of a clue. ++Lar: t/c 01:50, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Yay Lar! Anyway, personally I'd just avoid uploading anything unless you either have a VERY good fair use rationale or alternatively the material is original and your own creation. Easiest way to keep out of trouble, don'cha know. ~Kylu (u|t) 02:35, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

:)

/me hugs and runs away. pschemp | talk 08:43, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

zomg, drive-by hugging! ^.^ <3 ~Kylu (u|t) 20:56, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Gavotte en Rondeau

First of all, I'd like to thank you for showing me this... it's really got me thinking.

Second of all, ARRRRRRRRRRRRRGH why did you show me this! It's toruring me! I'm fully aware I can't play this... and yet.. I must... play it...

Help me! Split...conflicting emotions.. going insane aaaaaaah! *whimper*

I'm actually crying right now.. I'm not sure why. It's either because I love this music so much, or because I'm unable to play it. --The Prophet Wizard of the Crayon Cake 00:28, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

You have no idea how much you have helped me. I just... I can't even describe it. The simple action of showing me this 2 minute and 59 second clip of music has opened my eyes. Not just in music, but it's got me thinking about life, and everything. I just really don't know how to say "thanks". I feel like a new person. I just... thanks. --The Prophet Wizard of the Crayon Cake 00:42, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Kylu... what did you show him that he's so excited about? A piece of music that's only 2:59 shouldn't be that exciting!--Chili14 03:28, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

If you're thinking the latest thing from Britney Spears, then I'd agree, no it's not really that exciting.

I introduced CakeProphet to Gavotte en Rondeau by Bach. See, CP was bragging about his ability to play the guitar by ear, and I decided that my six-month practice piece (as played on the guitar by Andres Segovia, whereas he's already heard my rendition on the violin) would be a good example of something that's difficult to play by ear. I think quite honestly that it opened his eyes to the possibility of playing classical works on the guitar. We'll see how well he does. :) ~Kylu (u|t) 23:23, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Cake, Kylu told me to tell you to listen to some Sylvius Leopold Weiss. He actually wrote for the lute, but he's absolutely amazing, and there are transcriptions for guitar. One of his peices. Mak (talk) 03:26, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

He's definetely good, and I like the sound to a certain extent. Although, at times the song itself was a little predictable, I like the smooth blockiness of it. --The Prophet Wizard of the Crayon Cake 00:50, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

I'll be honest, if it's got frets, I don't go near it. The Partita en re mineur was nice, but if it's okay with you all, I'll stick with my Bach. Currently busy being annoyed (like I said previously) with people who think Four Seasons is Vivaldi's only work. I tossed some pieces to Cake to play last night, threw together a quick "how to read sheet music" for him, and he's off and running like a madman. I'm expecting great things from our Prophet. :) ~Kylu (u|t) 01:55, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Have you ever played something with frets before? They're not exactly the same thing as training wheels. ;) --The Prophet Wizard of the Crayon Cake

Didn't mean to imply that they were! The catch is, I don't quite get how you bend a note smoothly on a fretted instrument. If I'm going to slip from one note to another or play a sided (either flat-to-note or note-to-sharp) vibrato, it seems to me that the fret would just get in the way. That and your instruments all have way too many strings. I'll stick with the four I'm good at. :D ~Kylu (u|t) 01:15, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Watchlist

You might want to check your watchlist. There is a page there that has a question that needs your attention. Something about your welcome thing...--Chili14 02:11, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

It's been updated with the answer. :) ~Kylu (u|t) 02:45, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Civility concerns

I think you misunderstand my statement, which you cite. I am concerned that people on wikipedia are using a term like "cabal," which is used as an intimidation tactic, to boast of informal power. The very usage of that term seens to violate the aforementioned policy on civility. Yakuman

It's a joke, a gag. Cabal jokes are rampant on Misplaced Pages. I think, perhaps, you're taking it a bit too seriously. Oh, and I just tried this "berries and cream" Dr. Pepper. Damn good stuff. Try it. ~Kylu (u|t) 03:12, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

I dealt with "cabals" on FidoNet, Usenet and other *nets back in the day. It isn't really a joke. Consider how quickly I was met with threats and defamation. People who enforce "civility" on others, but do not apply it to themselves, only create problems. Have we learned nothing over the last two decades?
Yakuman 06:04, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

It really is a joke here. There Is No Cabal. If you're actually worried about cabals and such on Misplaced Pages, that's about the time you need to realize you're taking this thing way, way too seriously. As far as defamation goes, I failed to see any accusations that are malicious against you, though I do beleive that all parties involved are taking things way, way too seriously. The catch that I've discovered about Wiki is that while people are encouraged to Be Bold (which you were), you also have to keep in mind that someone can't just come in and make huge, sweeping changes and expect them to stick.

Wiki has a cycle of "Bold Change, Revert, Discuss" and those who never grasp one of these three steps will not be happy on a Wiki. I tend to lurk when I'm in a new situation, to gather intelligence before moving. A bit too much Sun Tzu reading, perhaps, but it serves me well. I read Misplaced Pages and its policies, studied its social dynamics for over a year before registering. I still had no clue what really was going on. I'm quickly approaching my second year, and there are still guidelines and "rules" that I run across that I had no clue were around, and no idea that they were expected to be enforced.

I'd suggest to anyone who wants to approach Wiki intelligently that they do the same as I did: Lurk a bit, figure out the basic rules, try to make some sense of what's going on (it's all terribly chaotic) and, if you're just absolutely failing to "get it", ask someone for help. If you're lucky, you end up with someone that can provide an comprehensive and enlightening answer, granting light on your dilemma. If not, you might yet get an answer. Someone says "OMG, WP:POINT!" then go visit the page. Read what it says. Be somewhat introspective and look at what you were doing. Did that other person have a legitimate point? Is it possible that you may've done something wrong? Can it be corrected? Can you learn from it and avoid violating etiquette? You should ask these questions each time someone accuses you of something. It's entirely possible they're being a bit anal or trollish, but on the other hand never dismiss them out of hand due to their lack of ability to describe what the offense is.

I'd also, while you're here, like to suggest that you go over the definition of "defamation" and look to see if, possibly, the people you're accusing might have legitimate gripes. Defamation requires a false accusation or malicious misrepresentation, and furthermore it doesn't take many additional words to go from "This person defamed me" to something that an admin might consider a legal threat and issue a block for. There's a No Legal Threats policy that, before you use the word defamation on here again, I'd rather beg you to read first. Legally loaded words get a lot of attention on here, and the vast vast majority of that attention is hostile and negative.

Anywho, I wish you well, and also wish that you don't end up feeling too ground down due to all of this. I also hope you take my advice in the spirit that it's offered in: Peace to you and welcome to our community. ~Kylu (u|t) 07:24, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Wow Kylu. That's essay material! We already have too many essays, some say, but good stuff! ++Lar: t/c 12:00, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Well put. I've chipped in my .02 as well at his talk page, pretty much an apology and here's why I acted the way I did type jazz. And now, I need to get some sleep before I have to go to my real job. Methinks I owe you a cup of coffee sometime soon since gas prices came down and Hassleton isn't really that far away now :-). 73. CQJ 12:09, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Probably should save that as an essay or something... (I like how chaotic Misplaced Pages is) --The Prophet Wizard of the Crayon Cake 00:44, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Feel free. :) ~Kylu (u|t) 01:49, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Na, we want YOU to do the work. ++Lar: t/c 05:01, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Further civility points

Please do nit make veiled threats on my user page, unless you have the authority and justification to carry them out. You do not intimidate me, so please do attempt to do so. Giano | talk 21:25, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

User blocked 48 hours for continued incivility towards other users. Please use your time off from the project wisely, preferably for reviewing the appropriate policies. Thanks for your concern. ~Kylu (u|t) 02:00, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

I strongly protest; I do not believe Giano has been disruptive. Your block has the appearance of rising to his "challenge" above. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 02:28, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

WP:CIVIL in a nutshell: Being rude, insensitive or petty makes people upset and prevents Misplaced Pages from working properly. Try to discourage others from being uncivil, and be careful to avoid offending people unintentionally. Mediation is available if needed.

My warning to user Giano was at 20:47, 29 August 2006

Since then (just on his own user talk):

1. ...ironic

I don't much care about Carnildo's RfA one way or another. Lar's an aquaintance, but I'm happy to keep him as just an aquaintance (we don't get along at times). On the other hand, seeing someone be this vehement, vicious, and venomous in replies to other really bothers me and blatantly violates WP:CIVIL and WP:AGF. While I do feel bad that he's got a bad block on his block log because of Carnildo and find it unfair, it doesn't excuse his current behaviour, nor should I expect that if someone baits you, it means you're automagically unallowed to enforce policy where it pertains to that user. I don't take his comments personally, though I admit I'm a bit hurt that he feels that I'm just "part of Carnildo's gang" and out to get him. I'd actually be much, much happier if he'd start following the policies as written, calm down somewhat, and go back to productive editing. If he stated that he were willing to do this, I'd have no problems happily unblocking him and allowing regular editing to resume. It actually kinda sucks that it had to go this far, I really don't enjoy blocking people. :( ~Kylu (u|t) 02:41, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Your first and last links aren't diffs; your middle three don't hold up as the egregious examples you make them out to be, in my opinion. You have thrown nitroglycerine on a situation that was finally calming down of its own accord. Avoiding that is why we block for ongoing disruption, not to punish past incidents of what one or another of us views as incivility. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 02:55, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeh, tired, and popups gets in the way when I'm trying to copy diffs. Considering the time of the warning, it's not difficult to go through the pages mentioned and find examples on your own, so I won't correct the not-diffs. Anyway, he's continued to be imo insulting to others and severely lacking in AGF, but as I've said on his talkpage, I'd really rather instead of being combatitive about it and putting me on his "bad" list for later and such, he'd consider the warning and block in the manner in which I meant them: To have an opportunity to self-reflect and consider his words versus policy. If anyone unblocks him, I have no problems with it, but I'd still encourage him to voluntarily not edit until he's finished introspection. If you're an admin, you're free to do so also. Otherwise, have a great day! :) ~Kylu (u|t) 03:05, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Personal attack by Giano removed by Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 12:15, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Re: Archiving

Thank you. And thanks for all those posts before; I know I must be hard to deal with, but thanks for the patience, your time, the encouragment and the nice words.100110100 06:13, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm just a firm beleiver that everyone can change for the better. You seem to be doing just that. :) ~Kylu (u|t) 06:20, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Just a thanks

I'm sorry we were introduced the way we were; I very much appreciate your civility and friendliness about the whole affair and hope we run into each other in a less confrontational way in the future. (Giano will be the death of me, I'm sure of it. He will love to hear that.) —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 03:14, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Feel free to stop by and pop a nose into any conversation you wish. My talkpage is just as wiki as the rest of the place. :) I feel sorry for Giano, that he was abused like that previously, and had no desire to compound his problems. While I do regret that the block wasn't seen as a good solution, I still feel the problem is there and it'll just end up flaring again in the future. I just feel that if a user is never restricted or even told that what they're doing is wrong and requires self-reflection, that there's no reason for them to bother following the rules, you know? Sadly, I imagine he thinks I've got a vendetta or something against him now. ~Kylu (u|t) 04:02, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and in the spirit of "letting go" I unwatched Giano's talkpage. I don't imagine he'll ever beleive that I was trying to do the Right Thing, but I'm not sure I really care if he beleives it or not now, just as long as some sort of peace comes to the situation. Ja ne. ~Kylu (u|t) 22:23, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

You don't really give me a lot of cause to believe it do you? Giano | talk 23:09, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

That was designed as Humor, as a semi-reply to Lar's edit. Take it as you will. Fnord. :) ~Kylu (u|t) 23:25, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Not a lot to laugh about suddenly - is there? Giano | talk 00:52, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Dynamic navbars II

Has anything happened with this from months ago? Gimmetrow 16:49, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

As far as our using them on Misplaced Pages, not to my knowledge. You might want to bring it up on WP:VP/T but no such luck so far. The new code seems to work just fine, though I'll be honest: I haven't used it once. :(

It's a good idea and seems to work, but I think most of the people involved with it will consider it to be "more javascript bloat" instead of considering it to be a useful addition. I've not really come up with much of a good way to introduce the dynabars yet. Gomen nasai. ~Kylu (u|t) 22:07, 1 September 2006 (UTC)